I know the income can vary greatly - location, number of customers, etc.  I'm just trying to get a general idea.

Do the math?
Are you in cahoots wih Uncle Sam?
Not a good question but I estimate about 9K up to 20K for full time work. Part Time could be allot less.

That seems very low to me.  If average hourly is 250 and average call is two hours, that's $500.  Are you saying most providers only see 18 to 40 guys a year??

If you want to know what the providers make, why not say what you make?  At least you have an alias to hide behind.

-Hoot.

Gross 110K/yr. Your turn

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see the money coming in so fast that they spend it just as fast.  Easy, come, easy go.  Like many athletes/entertainers, the time period for earning the big bucks is relatively short, and when it's over they cannot support the lifestyle to which they have grown accustomed.

But it seems even the part-timers can earn 50-60K tax free per annum.  Top full-timers can gross 200K or, in some cases, 300K.  Or more.  The sky is the limit, really.  A young, hot and smart girl can retire from the business before she's 30 with a nest egg of a half mill or more.  Staggering money.

And your anology, particularly when it comes to atheltes, is unfortunately for far too many right on point.  I don't mean to be casting stones in anyone's direction, but big money can be addictive, & humans that we all are..the addiction is both difficult to resist & hard to break away from.

I agree with the other poster, most people spend what they make.  But should I be suprised that a full time escorts would spend 1.5 million in 10 years just to live (150K a year) and only save .5 million in 10 years (50K a year)?  If I was clearing 150 to 200K a year I would save as much as possible to get out of the biz asap.  Do escorts look at it this way or do they get dazed from all the money coming in?

...doing software development.

The issue of who are the "real" millionaires is covered in some detail in the Stanley & Denko book "The Millionaire Next Door". Demographic studies conducted by these authors indicated that actual millionaires tended to have very frugal lifestyles. The principal idea is that it is not so much the money you make, but how much you save (as alluded to by the above posters).  They didn't live in expensive homes or have flash cars and clothes. Instead, they were very much like the inauspicious neighbor-next-door, that is the one with a ten-year old Detroit car who never took globe-trotting vacations. What was noteworthy is that they saved and invested money like crazy, and took on no debts that they could possibly avoid. This was more important than simply having a high salary, as Stanley & Denko found numerous self-made millionaires with relatively low salaries (i.e., approximately $80,000/year).

Stanley & Denko noted that pro athletes did not typically retain their riches, principally because of their 'livin large' lifestyle. As was noted above, providers bear some analogy to professional athletes (i.e., high salary for a limited number of years). If they're frugal, providers too can "provide for themselves" in their later years.

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Good lord, I used to make well over $200k per year for a number of years and had NOTHING to show for it (except for nice clothes, cars, watch, etc, but nothing meaningful). It is amazing how one can spend money frivolously, any amount of money. And add in the fact that these girls are generally young, and the ones who are getting the big bucks are generally being sugar daddied by multiple guys and you can imagine how easy it is not to save.

Plus, when you start saving significant money, you've got to put it somewhere and the bank always tells on you at the end of the year. If a girl shows $100k in her bank account after reporting no earnings in a year, she might start attracting some attention.

My educated guess is that many girls avoid financial institutions as a matter of course.

although it's on paper, the guy who founded the 99 Cents Only stores lives in very average house and drives a very, very average car. You would think by looking at him that he was barely surviving on his Social Security.

Saving is good up to a point, but you can't take it with you so see a provider once a week.

from ONE of a provider's regular customers!!!

I can't believe that some providers don't show some income to the IRS as a means of justifying a savings function.  That's just plain stupid!  Remember - that's how 'ol Al Capone was caught - no visable means of support.  I see a number of clients who were obvious (to me and the IRS) in evading taxes - to their everlasting regret.  Once caught, I notice they are much more interested in tax planning as opposed to evasion.  There are numbers of ways to justify your existance, avoid (not evade!) taxes, and save for the future.  I used to have a college professor who was fond of saying "the difference between pigs and hogs is that hogs go to slaughter".  Don't be a hog - get a financial advisor.

High end girls easily top $250K/year.  However, providers, if they're smart will declare with the IRS and pay taxes.  A tax-evasion rap is potentially wayyyyy worse than an ordinary bust.  Remember, that's how they got Al Capone.  

BTW, who's to say that many of the smarter ladies aren't socking away alot more than you think.  Many, if not most, have another life where family/friends might be suspicious of conspicuous consumption.  Living outside your apparent means is a good way to draw attention to activities that are best left private.

who monitor these boards for insights into how to extract more taxes from escorts and gents.
Personally the escorts I know give it all away.
I charge them only 25 cents a pop!

I'd like to second the above postings, emphasizing the importance of declaring your money to the IRS so that the remainder can be properly invested. If all you're doing is placing your money in a mattress or safety-deposit box, then you'll eventually be ravaged by inflation. The relatively small amount that you'll save in not paying taxes, can't make up for both the legal hassles and inflation hit.

Once your money is "street-legal", the idea is to split it up between investments in property, bonds and stock so that you can stay ahead of inflation, and the money will be there when you need it. If you can't afford (or don't trust) financial advisors, there are some good self-help books such as Eric Tyson's "Investing for Dummies".

Millionaire Next Door in this Land of Supposed Opportunity

A question

I agree that "The Millionaire Next Door" generally says, that frugality is the way to riches. It's what you keep, not what you make. As you say, 2sense, "The principal idea is that it is not so much the money you make, but how much you save," but I would add to that generalization that the millionaires also have some other signifying characteristics. They often come from immigrant families, espouse and adopt the "values" of free-market capitalism, tend to run family-owned businesses or be their own bosses, aren't necessarily professionals but are educated in financial matters, and have supportive spouses. (I would caution anyone who is considering reading "The Millionaire Next Door" that it is atrociously written. The statistics and information are useful, but utterly undigested. It's basically your typical social-science tractatus, without consideration, arrangement, or grammar. Sort of thing I used to fail undergrad Poli-Sci majors on all the time. The info is good, the writing is bad.)

I wonder if this is the place to air this question. I see some VERY high salaries in this thread -- men reporting they make 95K, 110K, and so forth. I'm stunned! I didn't know that there were so many salaries that high in the WORLD, much less in such a small sample! What on earth (here's the question) am I doing wrong?

I note the Napoleon Hill title, "Think and Grow Rich," which (although Mr. Hill has some warped 19th-Century superstitions, notably about "sexual energy," heehee) really looms ominously in my mind. Maybe my assumptions are "poor thoughts" rather than rich ones? I've read up on the subject -- "Your Money or Your Life," "The Millionaire Next Door," "Think and Grow Rich," "Rich Dad, Poor Dad," "Learn to Earn," plenty of undergrad Economics and Business courses -- but somehow it never seems to crack my thick skull. I am trailer trash.

Example: My dad was always a "company man" for a major print journalism outlet, and he still performs what he considers a "good service" for mankind (the public's right to know, all that first-amendment stuff). He has been at the editorial and managerial level for three decades, consistently, with an excellent organization, and yet he has just now (a few years before retirement) reached the 60K level. Not 95K, not 110K, but 60K. Meaning, he's been BELOW 60K all his life. When I was growing up, we never visited the Caribbean, rode on a boat, went skiing, or owned a house, and I was an only child, so the expenses would have been considerably less for us than for other multiple-child households. But we were the "have nots" rather than the "haves." Not until his father (my grandfather) died, did he get to the financial level of reading Kiplinger's and trying to figure out what to do with our extra money -- before that inheritance, we didn't HAVE ACCESS to extra money, never mind whether we "blew it" irresponsibly or "kept it" frugally. We (my father, largely) were earning well below our potential.

Further example: I personally have a Master's degree from a prestigious university (on par with the Ivies), rejected going to Harvard for undergrad because I chose to attend what I consider a better school, I interviewed for prestigious scholarships and fellowships after college (didn't QUIIITE get any of the money), but have never been successfully employed for any period longer than 18 months. As an annual average, my personal maximum has been about 19K a year, although that amount came in fits and starts and never lasted a whole year. I have currently been unemployed for about 3 years.

My family is educated, financially savvy, but also income-handicapped. We are geniuses at saving small amounts of money, but idiots at making any money at all. We don't ever seem to know the "right people" or have "connections" that would make it possible for me to get a decent income, and so (despite my highly-educated stuff on my resume and pretty good qualifications) I end up trying to get a job through the want-ads (very low percentage, given that we have no contacts) or dumb luck. Currently, as a stop-gap, I am working off-and-on managing properties here (some of which we own, thanks to the above inheritance) in my family's home town. But that basically means, I'm a glorified handy-man and roofer, and I'm not meeting anyone who could help me to make more than 10K this year. I'm meeting checkout-counter staff at Home Depot. (Sure, some of the ladies are cute, but that's a different issue.)

I just wanted to air this dirty laundry of mine for some sympathy, and perhaps some solace, or some advice. I don't exactly "buy" the assumptions behind free-market capitalism the way that the "millionaire" next door is "supposed" to -- I tend to think it would be wiser to run our country on the premise of feeding our elderly more healthily, rather than on the premise of dimpling our golf balls more aerodynamically, for example -- but I do understand the notions. I hate entrepeneuring -- it's all about being "devoted" to something I don't really believe in, like mankind's demand for tastier pizza, or the public's right to owning less knotty shoelaces, or some such -- although I am multiply talented, with good accounting, writing, and leadership skills. Why is it that money seems to run away from me?

I write it here, because this is (as part of this thread attests) perhaps the best conglomeration of wealthy people that I'm likely to find on the internet. Are there other places where people might give me advice? I'd love a "Napoleon Hill website" (without the hoodoo about "sexual energy," heehee). I'm about beside myself here, worried that I'll die broke eating cat litter, or (worse?) that I'll never afford another provider again. I am utterly SHOCKED at the salaries that are bandied about the computer industry, for example -- a world where people without education, but with dead-specific (and therefore highly time-sensitive) training, get to make decisions more rightly made by people with generalist understandings (bred, naturally, of general education, and NOT specific training) -- and wonder how I missed that boat, and many others. And I wonder what to do next. I have all the time in the world. You may feel free (please!) to email me at bookguy at mail dot com.

It would be nice to find some opportunity, in this supposed land of opportunity. I've never experienced any, I guess because I'm a mid-thirties white male with a real education and a great mind. I have to be stupider, so that I really believe in capitalism, before I am allowed to make a profit. Someone tell me that's not the case, please!

My guess is, that if a woman is cagey enough to charge high-end, have a high-end website, and so forth, she is probably also cagey enough to save a significant portion. I know LOTS of strippers from my club days who managed to move their earnings over to a catering business or some other front that could be managed out of a home (they bought some large pots and pans and VOILA! they were caterers), and managed to get one, two, or three modest homes. The surplus living space was easily rented to other traveling ... ahem ... caterers. There's no reason a provider, as well, can't be cagey about her investments. The top-rung ones can probably clear (after cleaning the money, taxing it, etc.) $100K a year net. Let's see, at 5%, for 10 years, divide by 72 ...

My other guess is, that girls who just get into the business, probably waste as much as they make, if not more. I've met some providers who are downright DESPERATE for their next "paycheck," from me or any other client. They're outspending their income, even before they make the income. In these cases, if money-outgo addiction or, worse, drug-ingo addiction, takes over, they can end up destitute in a matter of months.

This reminds me of a mild-mannered milquetoast of an accountant who scammed the Canadian government in the mid-90s. The govt had just introduced the GST, the Goods and Services Tax, which had to be levied on EVERYTHING (even postage stamps!), and the accounting principles behind it were still fudgy. The new law included a proviso to return to various types of merchants a portion of this GST, as remuneration for the "unreasonable" tax burden in the first few years of the tax. Sort of a way to "ease" the economy in to the new 7% drain. This wise entrepeneur figured out that he could declare himself a merchant, get a GST number, and start receiving the payback without having to expend the tax in the first place. He was a convenience store, a horse betting parlor, a shoe outlet, a leather repair man, you name it. Each small "business" that he claimed to be, was receiving a kickback from the Federal govt to prevent it from failing due to unreasonable tax burden.

Unfortunately, this wise and sage accountant wasted every penny of his ill-gotten gains. He suddenly was very popular with strippers at local clubs, for whom he was buying houses and expensive diamond rings. Evidently not a one of them (as far as you could discern from eventual court proceedings) cared enough about this guy to even look in on him when the federal agents eventually indicted him. He's in jail now, and the strippers aren't, as far as I know.

But then, maybe he made gazillions more than the feds ever noted, and when he gets out in a few years he'll simply fly himself and his seventeen girlfriends to his island in the Caribbean and laugh at 'em for the rest of his life. Who knows? Will we ever know?

"Saving is good up to a point, but you can't take it with you so see a provider once a week."

This is an important point to remember. At some level, being frugal is very helpful; but plenty of rich people die unhappy misers. My hope had always been, that frugality would help me to curtail expenses such that I could invest for a financially secure future. That seems like a wise plan.

Unfortunately, so far my income has been so minuscule that I haven't been able to invest. See "A Question" below ...


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You hate entrepeneurs, you don't understand how people in the computer industry make so much money and claim they're not educated?  No offense but you sound like a Harvard snob. unwilling to really get your hands dirty and do something of your own.  

Your wants and goals -- lots of $$$ - are completely contrary to your way of thinking.  To have great accounting skills and book knowledge can only help you make a good living if you apply it with creativity - to something that you can yourself control.  No one really makes it rich working for someone else's dream.  

You say you hate entrepenuering because you can't see yourself devoting yourself to making a better pizza crust or better shoelaces - well how do you feel about working as an accountant for someone who has chosen to devote themselves to one of those same enterprises?  Most of the biggest companies we have in this country were founded on the back breaking labor of some of those "uneducated entrepeneurs."  To think a college education allows you to be 'above' everyone else is exactly why you're making 19K a year - if that.  Start respecting the hard work and ingeninuity of others and maybe you'll evenutally see the light.  I'm praying for you.

American corporations are moving their mail boxes to off shore countries to avoid corporate taxes.  It sounds like providers and other entertainers should form an off shore company and set up a holding bank.  Both the Corp and Bank could invest in various instruments and generate returns.  This could be a great retirement plan for the industry. What do you think providers?

No provider I, only a mere hobbyist. However, I still have an opinion. Setting up off-shore banking accounts and corporate headquarters, along with not expensing options, are among the things that have put the U.S. stock market and our economy right in the ol' dumpster. Can't help but help but think that there's going to be a general clamp-down on these tax-evading schemes. The Feds have twigged to the fact that when there is one illegality like this, there are a hundred more waiting to be exposed (e.g., Tyco and Dennis Koslowski).

Already numbered Swiss bank accounts have been pierced and no longer afford anonymity. If the Feds are of a mind, do you really think that Grand Cayman accounts, or anywhere else, will be immune to similar disclosure?

Thanks. I'll be sure to read your suggestions in the spirit they were intended, as a disparagement of the values of feeding the elderly in a healthy manner, and another vote in favor of dimpling golf balls more aerodynamically.

How do you sleep at night?

Just back atcha!

Really, now, I don't mean to be negative about the point of view of entrepeneurship. I guess my previous post did come off in that manner. I think the part that I left out, was that I HAVE been working my butt off most of my life. I didn't mean to sound like the Harvard snob -- I found, when I attended college, I was surrounded by too many of that sort, who generally assumed a privileged entitlement that I've never felt connected to. So, it's ironic I came across as one of those, when actually I was hoping to sound the opposite. I had meant to appear as the working stiff who always got stiffed.

That is, after all, how I feel. Working quite hard with a large number of skills, but not wanted by my general society. So, as I double-check the roof (for no pay) or haul ass off to get some plaster sockets (for no pay) or make sure the grandmother's nursing home bills have been paid (for no pay) I see the people who dimple golf balls laughing all the way to the bank. And yeah, I'm resentful. But not because I think I'm SUPERIOR to them, or because I believe I'm MORE entitled than they are. Rather, I'm resentful because THEY have always acted as though THEY and THEIR ILK were the entitled ones. Those differing assumptions, and the related behavior on their part, has tended to lead me away from profit and them towards it, often at the expense of their grandmothers. At least, that's how it seems to me, who has to hurry to get this post done to do another errand for no pay.

I just don't understand a country that prefers dimpling golf balls over feeding the elderly. Do you?


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Gents, you're right -- in my case at least. When I first got in the business, I couldn't save money at all. Money's being thrown at you and you can live the lifestyle you want and read about -- cars, jewelry, $300 dinners, everything. And you're constantly banking on there being more money at the next phone ring. When I stopped providing a year ago, I was broke. In the 6 months I provided part time, I made and spent over $60,000. I don't even remember on what. Now that I'm on the way back in, I'll be better this time around. Definetely filing taxes, definetely saving.

IMHO, this is why the better websites and more cultured responses are the work of more mature providers, who've survived the money high and can see 10 years down the line. It's an "you can only learn by experience" thing. Yeah, when you first start, you might be recommended towards the books or sites to help you develop your bedroom skills but no one sits you down and says "let's talk bonds and trusts."

I've a question now -- are there discernable in incomes for different types of providers? Asian vs blonde vs ebony vs TS and so forth?

Eden

I don't know why you're only making 19K a year, especially since you have a college degree.  Perhaps colleges should teach students how to obtain good paying jobs rather then focusing solely on education alone.  FYI, I don't have a college degree but have taken the college courses I've needed to get me where I am at thirty something.

My advice is this:

1) Start saving what little money you can, having a nest egg gives you more then a pile of cash.  It gives you a different view point about work and life.  I have over six figures banked away and that provides me the power to speak my mind at work.  I also go to work because "I" want to and not because my boss or company wants me to.  I look at it this way, they need me more then I need them.

2) Even if you make 100K a year, learn to live on 20-30K a year.

3) Take a second job or even three.  I've worked one full time and two part time jobs before when I was younger so that I could save up some cash.  Btw, you could deliver morning papers.  Don't laugh, that job alone could make you an extra $400+ in "cash" a month - you decide if you want to pay tax on that money.

4) If you're only making 19K a year then perhaps you should relocate to areas where there are jobs that pay more.

5) Change careers - review what jobs pay the most and obtain the education to get those types of jobs.

6) Contact managers at companies directly.  Call or write them and tell them that you're interested in working for the company.  Also state that you would appreciate it if you could meet them to see what the company has to offer.  Even if there isn't an opening the manager will most likely keep that letter around since they know you're truly interested, more so then someone that replied to an ad in a paper.

7) Invest the cash you have.  If you don't know where to start then start by putting your cash into some good bond mutual funds, some of which produce 7+% a year on avg. over a 10+ period of time.  I know that's not a lot but it's a more consistent growth and will save you the heartache of watching your money go down 30-40% in one year (like now).

8) Look for other ways that you can make money - side jobs, businesses you could start, etc.

9) Never stay at a job more then 2 years since this will limit your income growth, at least until you tap out your salary based on the industry standards.  When I started 7 years ago I only made 28K and now I'm making 94K.  Do you really think that if I stayed with one company that they would've tripled my income over a 3 year period?  And don't think that I'm a rare case.  In the tech. sector this is very common.  Most kids coming out of college that get a tech. type job usually start at 30-45K a year and can easily make 55-75K a year after two or three years of experience by jumping around so they can diversify their skill set.

Hope that helps

Private Investigator draw on everyday, to check up on your personal, business, and financial activities. They call it sneaking and peaking in to public records. The USA is the most computerized country in the world and the computer are merging data. Every move you make in the USA is reported,alyzed, manage, and sold to anyone and everyone who will pay the price.






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to make more.  Asian has lower rates but are popular because of it, not sure about Latino.  Absolutely no idea about TS.

Accept the fact that we live in a society that compensates actors, athletes, and entrepreneurs instead of teachers and scientists. The good news is that everyone in this country has a choice. You don’t have to make a better pizza crust to be highly compensated but you do have to take chances. Find something that you deem helpful to society and TAKE A CHANCE. Academia has a tendency to be risk free and risk has a direct correlation to financial reward. Just working hard won’t always be rewarded monetarily.

Is it wrong that I am rewarded with a salary 8 to 10 times higher than my SO who teaches? Yes, but I take chances while she is paid with social rewards.

Risk = reward.  No matter what endevor you decide to undertake, go for it all the way.  What I've found is that if you truly love what you do it won't matter how much you make and consequently - you'll end up making the most you ever have and sometimes it won't be money.  I've had so many friends try stupid get rich quick schemes over the years while I plugged away at what I loved to do - art - music - writing.  They'd fall flat on their faces, admire what new thing I was toiling over and then go back to trying some new business venture to rake in the bucks.  Now 20 years later I'm the one raking it in and they're the ones searching for meaning even with $$$.  I never cared about the money.  I just did what I loved doing.  Now I can help my sister get her house, my parents take their vacations, my church put in a new wing...  You don't have to work for a nursing home to contribute to the world.  Even Bill Gates has donated close to a billion to charity.

Thanks for the appropriate words. I'm workin' on it ...

Any suggestions about HOW to "get over it"? It makes me so sad ...

This is interesting to me. I've never really analyzed the world in these terms, never really managed to get outside the "typical" assumptions about work. I have heard "risk = reward" before, I but I've never actually seen it come about, and I have generally believed that this was part of a set of mythical lies told to the poor by the rich in order to help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Is there somewhere that I can start learning more about the truth behind some of these myths? Thanks for your comments.

What the hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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You sound like a person who doesn't want to pay his dues to get to where he/she wants to be.  Nobody has ever been handed those high salary jobs without starting at the bottom.  Do you have the patience to do that?

Can't. I'm too poor.

No, seriously, I use bookguy at mail dot com. Thanks for your thoughts.

Chill out sweetie. He didn't say his opinion was that blondes SHOULD make more money, he was just figuring the statistics from TER records.

I'd love to believe that paying one's dues allowed one to advance. I've found out, the hard way, that putting in extra effort usually leads to getting nothing out of the extra effort except the satisfaction of a job done overly strenuously. I'd love to have experienced building up from the bottom, but the world has changed -- political correctness, shareholder relations, misleading CEO's, a billion other cultural shifts, have led us to a place where only fools sign up for bottom-rung positions (and believe me, I WAS one of those fools) since they are guaranteed to be permantely bottom-rung.

The old myths no longer apply. That's part of my disappointment, my search for new myths and procedures.

Thanks for the comments. Read and considered!

Because in your first post, you talk about failing polit sci papers... which would to me at least, indicate that you are a teacher or professor of some type... and yet you say you haven't held a job in your whole life for longer than 18 months?

And on top of all that, if you are averaging $19k a year... I mean I do not mean to be rude here, but... WTF are you doing HERE???? I mean obviously it should come as no surprise that the folks you find here are, generally speaking, of an upper middle class income bracket with *extra money!* It takes extra money to be able to see escorts... we're expensive!  On $19k a year I'm trying to figure out what extra money you'd have to go see a lady.

And I will top that off by saying... I don't think anyone has ever said that they prefer NOT to feed our elderly. I mean what a load of crap O la!!!! But the hard truth is that feeing our elderly will not improve our economy... it is our DUTY and I don't think that any of us want to run away from it. But it's OF COURSE not going to make YOU rich unless you go open a nifty new chain of nursing homes. I mean what do you want me to say??? I mean how in the holy HECK does that come into your making $19k a year??? WTF???

I have a girlfriend who is a high school dropout. She managed to get hired to do basic bookworking by a CPA who taught her more accounting skills. In the space of six months, she got herself OFF welfare, and into a job making $50k a year.  Now she's up to $60k. With NO education, NO connections, NO snobbery, NO special advantages except a desire to FEED her child, without anyone's help. So please don't tell me it's impossible!

Sincerely,
Nicole

So they are welcome to read. I use the money I make to pay my BILLS... mortgage, car, etc... so I have to pay my taxes!

Although I don't think I make as much as some of the top ladies do... I'm more middle ground methinks!

Hugs*
Nicole

No, let me refrase that.
I meant 9K to 20K per month depending on stamina and times and so forth.
I assume that the average lady sees about 100 guys to 200 guys per year on average.
I also assume that they get tips and have regulars.
I met one the other day that gave me the best french lesson ever!
I am talking raw,dirty and really good looking.
God, there is nothing like a pretty face on french.
You get my drift.
Well, I let her get by on french for almost 3 hours!-LOL
She must make a killing or she was having a good day.
Any woman that can work it like that, has got to be getting paid.

Thank you!
I agree with that.

to explain fully what I mean.  Let me just state that I didn't claim that ladies of any particular ethnicity or racial group should charge less or more.  There are some top Ebony ladies that charge top rates.  There are lots of white ladies that have the lowest rate in the business.  The rates are set by the ladies or their agencies, I have no input or control about that.

I have not done any sampling or studies on TER database before I posted my comment.  That is why I use the word "anecdotal" in my response.

There are couples of messages in this board around July (sorry, I couldn't find it) by an Ebony lady about being a token in her agency and about the fact that she had to offer more services or charge a lower rate compared to her white colleagues.

Since I live in LA, I followed reviews about LA ladies quite closely.  I also read ad announcements by ladies in various regional boards.  Based on these, I observed that in general, given similar age group, body type and services offered, rates by Ebony ladies are a bit lower that their white counterparts.  There are lots of posts and reviews in LA about Asian ladies compared to Ebony ones, hence I wrote the comment “Asian has lower rates but are popular because of it”.  I believe this is more a case of regional bias.  I am sure that there are lots of black ladies getting rave reviews and praises in Chicago and the East Coast compared to LA.

As far as my statement “Blonde has higher rates and bigger potential to make more”, it just meant that I observed on average most of the high-rated ladies are Blonde and if they choose to do so, given the fix number of hours one can work in a week, could make more just because their rates are higher.

Maybe I should not use the word “evidence” in my message.  A better choice of word is far more preferable.

Please don’t get upset.  I have been wrong before and I could be wrong again.  I am definitely not an articulate person and a wise man like riker, drollere, Greywolf, TheStudentOfLife, book_guy or MyLifeAsMe.  I am just a guy that spends more time in front of a computer. My words are not that valuable and quite a few times I have made a fool of myself.

Take care and have fun.  Best wishes.


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"Because in your first post, you talk about failing polit sci papers... which would to me at least, indicate that you are a teacher or professor of some type... and yet you say you haven't held a job in your whole life for longer than 18 months?"

Academic positions are notoriously hard to come by. If you do some checking up on higher education in America (a field I am not unhappy to be departing) you'll see that my experience is rather much closer to the norm than you might currently realize.

"And on top of all that, if you are averaging $19k a year... I mean I do not mean to be rude here, but... WTF are you doing HERE????"

Meeting with rich people and learning how to become one.

"I mean obviously it should come as no surprise that the folks you find here are, generally speaking, of an upper middle class income bracket with *extra money!* It takes extra money to be able to see escorts... we're expensive!  On $19k a year I'm trying to figure out what extra money you'd have to go see a lady."

Very little.

"And I will top that off by saying... I don't think anyone has ever said that they prefer NOT to feed our elderly. I mean what a load of crap O la!!!!"

I did not mean to imply that they did say so. I meant to imply, that the way our economy is currently set up, it's generally impossible to BOTH "do the right thing" AND "make a killing" at the same time, and I was indicating that I'm unhappy about that fact.

"But the hard truth is that feeing our elderly will not improve our economy... it is our DUTY and I don't think that any of us want to run away from it. But it's OF COURSE not going to make YOU rich unless you go open a nifty new chain of nursing homes."

Yes, I knew that. But I'm still unhappy about it. In my imagination, in pie in the sky, there COULD be an economic system that more closely linked profitability to morality. It just doesn't happen to CURRENTLY be our system.

"I mean what do you want me to say??? I mean how in the holy HECK does that come into your making $19k a year??? WTF???"

As explained, it was just an anecdote meant to initiate a discussion of the current disjunction between "making a killing"
as opposed to "doing the right thing." (Sorry to repeat myself ... doh.)

The following is a good anecdote. I thank you for it. It's useful for my own self-motivation. I have been -- and I admit this freely -- absolutely INEPT at collecting a personal income. I am fairly good at managing money once I have it (at least, at managing the small doses I've experienced; larger amounts might stymie me, but I'm willing to learn!), but my whole life I've had "unprofitable" assumptions. I don't mean to try to DEFEND those assumptions, just DISCUSS and DESCRIBE them in order to help myself to MOVE ON from them to something less dysfunctional in our current society.

"I have a girlfriend who is a high school dropout. She managed to get hired to do basic bookworking by a CPA who taught her more accounting skills. In the space of six months, she got herself OFF welfare, and into a job making $50k a year.  Now she's up to $60k. With NO education, NO connections, NO snobbery, NO special advantages except a desire to FEED her child, without anyone's help. So please don't tell me it's impossible!"

I'm glad you've told me this sort of thing. Honestly, very few people in my real-world experience have ever said anything of the sort. They've said the old saws -- "get a good education, get a stable job, and you'll be promoted as long as you continue to perform well at your position". Unfortunately, I found out that those old myths DID NOT APPLY any longer. So, my advisors and friends suggested I go get ANOTHER education and try the same thing again in a different field. In fact, in an ironic way, your anecdote about your friend proves my point, that the old myths don't apply.

I'm just looking for new myths. Don't get annoyed at me, I admit I'm inept. Please, I'm not blaming the world, I'm just looking to figure out how to fit into it better.

There, now, doesn't it all feel better already.

Seriously, you do sound annoyed with me. I guess that's part of the fact that I'm questioning some of the old myths. People get scared when someone says something like, "Don't ever take an entry-level job. That will brand you as a bottom-of-the-totem-pole loser permanently." That statement runs counter to the American Dream mythology, of the man who works his way up from the bottom to the top. But it IS more true than the myth. So, partly, I'm in the position of offending lots of people by declaring that the "emperor has no clothes"; but then, the fact that I ALSO don't have any (I don't have an adequate replacement theory, yet) means my discussions falter.

That's where I'm at right now. Not knowing where to go next. But I'm learning, thanks to conversations like these. Thanks.

BG

Intelligent, charming man that would do nearly anything, give nearly anything from your heart and will make sacrifices without hesitation to make those who you feel that you hurt to make them happy… Not all men have that talent or will take the step that you have taken and that make you one hell of a man. I hope you are not a closet romantic because you have just capture my heart and got me horny all in one night. I apologize to you for taking offense to your comment and I hope you forgive me "womanofcolor" top ebony lady that charges regular rates with top review and offer great service.

Ruth


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I understand that you don't know me very well... my annoyance had nothing to do with the fact that you are challenging old myths. I mean, I am not exactly in agreement with most of our societies views.. on morality, or anything else. Then again I believe morality is a subjective thing to be decided by each individual. (As long as you are not harming another person.)

Annnnnnyways... Nope, my annoyance had more to do with the fact that you are here complaining about being broke and making $19k a year, and yet you have 12 reviews.  12 reviews indicates to me that you are spending disposable income that you don't have. That would be like me not having the money to pay my mortgage, and instead hiring a few Chippendales dancers for a private dance in my home.  Someone above mentioned the idea of earning at 100k a year but learning to live on 20-30k a year being the way to become a millionaire... I'd guess making 19k a year and spending every penny and then some is the way to find yourself homeless and destitute. But hey it's just a guess!  

19K a year? I still have a hard time believing that. I mean you could get a job managing a McDonald's for more money than that!!! Unless you live in an incredibly depressed area, in which case I'd doubt that there are twelve escorts around!

Sincerely,
Nicole

to be comfortable about who I am and I do have much to be humble about.  You ladies are angels on earth that dispense pleasures and blessings.  You have made this world a better place.

GC