How do you decide if a provider's rate is fair?
Do you have certain characteristics that are worth more money?
IS age a factor?
Location?
Fake or real?
Pretty face, body
break it down for me!
If you are GFE, do BBBJ , you are attractive to me and I can afford your donation, I'm happy. I don't look at you as a commodity .
Now, that's what gets me in the door. What gets me to cum back has to do with visual, personality and sexual chemistry. If you rock my world in those three, I'm definitely cumming back.
Well said ,and on point.....let the Congregation say Amen.
over 50 service trumps appearance. The only factor you mention that would be a consideration for me is age. I prefer 30-40, but many here like them younger. However, as Mick says, the menu is more important, and we get that info more from reviews than from ads or a website. For me, GFE/DFK, DATY, BBBJ w/CIM option are the important ones. If her ad says "open-minded" I will usually pass as that is most often a euphemism for BBFS. I will not see a provider who offers BBFS to every swinging dick who walks through the door.
You now speak for "most" guys over fifty? Was there an election I missed? Lol.
And then girls who claim they are "open minded" are telling the johns to keep the rubbers in their pocket? Lol. You are hysterical.
Wait a second. Are you one of those guys that has to get the first appointment of the day too so you don't get sloppy seconds? Lol.
You have NO way of knowing what girls do, or dont do, BBFS, by something as innocuous as using "open minded" in their ad, but being familiar with your posts here, I am sure you will stick to your uneducated "logic" and argue the point to the death. Carry on board pinata, carry on. Lol.
and have seen over 600 providers. I have had some hookers as real life girlfriends. I know at least 30 bookers that write the ads for their girls. I've spent nine years collecting information from industry insiders. I think I know what I'm talking about. That term only means it is available on a YMMV basis. Many girls have put it in their ads, and then when they start getting asked for BBFS, they realize they made a mistake and take it out. It happens in LA to one or two new girls a week. Open-minded USED to mean CIM was available. Now it means more. There are certain words and phrases commonly used in sex advertising to convey things. This is one of them. When are you going to see your first provider and write a review? Or are you just all talk and no action?
When are you going to get me that ticker symbol?
I guess you also haven't figured out that "most" of "us" prefer to stick with the hookers. Why in the hell do YOU know "hundreds of hobbyists"?
That's just a rhetorical question genius.
Now go back and clean up your room. Your mother is pissed at you, and won't make you that peanut butter sandwich for lunch!
Maybe write another fake review for those 15 VIP days? You seem to love doing that.
Please reply with your typical ad hominem.
I was worried you were out there getting your ass kicked trying to negotiate extra pickles with food eservers.
I know hundreds of hobbyists through PM's here. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Not surprised you're not aware that guys talk privately.
Why doesn't that surprise me 
So how about that ticker symbol? Ask you dad what that is. Maybe he knows.
I was worried you were out there getting your ass kicked trying to negotiate extra pickles with food eservers.
I know hundreds of hobbyists through PM's here. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Not surprised you're not aware that guys talk privately.
to "negotiate" today for extra mayo on your sandwich you had to end up speaking with the manager.
I get four or five PM's a day, and I try to answer all of them within a day or two. Hardly takes all day, more like 5-10 minutes.
Could you make a videotape on how to negotiate with restaurant servers? It might be valuable for other guys here that are in the same league with you.
Work harder and one day you'll be able to apply for manager.
But right now you need to attend to those bussing obligations.
Are all those PM's now your friends?
Where's that ticker symbol big spender? Come on...I'll accept any fake you come up with. Ask your dad.
to "negotiate" today for extra mayo on your sandwich you had to end up speaking with the manager.
I get four or five PM's a day, and I try to answer all of them within a day or two. Hardly takes all day, more like 5-10 minutes.
Could you make a videotape on how to negotiate with restaurant servers? It might be valuable for other guys here that are in the same league with you.
the waffle house? Why do you care how many friends I have. Its really none of your business. No need to be jealous. I'm guessing the waffle house is a low end eating place, and not surprised you were inside mistaking someone for me. So what did you negotiate for? An extra sausage? Oops, double entendre.
I don't think mayo is in the dipping sauce. They have a couple of places in LA if you haven't tried the beef sandwich.
Steph xo
So don't take his work on culinary matters too seriously, if he loves that glop.
because it took me back to a woman I dated years ago that was a bit shy and just couldn't refer to her girl parts as a pussy. She called it a Hoo-Hah. So when I read this, it entered my mind as Doc Pussy.
The problem is that you don't see American escorts unless they are Asian. You are primarily an AAMP guy. I am well aware that lots of AAMP girls offer BBFS and may have their own code words. Much of what you say is just not applicable to non-Asian/ non-AAMP escorts.
That's why I called you "arrogant" in a previous thread. I would never go into the K-Girl section and speak with authority on their services or code words since that is not my area of expertise.
"Open minded" among American escorts does not usually mean BBFS.
Like GFE, PSE and many other terms it means different things to different people. In other words, it means nothing.
Translated or untranslated French, in Colorado means CBJ or BBBJ elsewhere.
There are no absolutes. Other than the absolute bullshit that this thread turned into.
Well you don't know me and you don't speak for me, and I bet that goes for most of us.
So please stop acting as if you're the TER spokesman.
Perfect Storm needs to find a much "higher horse" for him to fall from next time.
Just about everyone else here speaks for themselves, and themselves only. I don't recall nominating CDL as my spokesman either. To me "appearance" is at least as important as "performance" CDL might only care if she is 30-40 years old, but he hardly speaks for me and we are roughly the same age.
As for "open minded" it means about as much as "new and improved" it's fucking meaningless and certainly not "code" for BBFS. I think CDL sees BBFS under every rock, he certainly seems to be obsessed with the topic.
I think next we'll have to put the high horse on top of a mountain or skyscraper.
That's much more fitting than yesterday's feeble attempt.
I said the same thing about guys over 50 on the LA board some time ago, and about a dozen guys concurred. If service is only a priority for us California guys, then I apologize for lumping everyone in together. Some things are evidently not universal, but rather, regional.
As far as "open-minded" its not like I'm letting out trade secrets here, so all of the other veterans here don't need to get their panties in a twist. I just explained what happens in this regard. A new girl hits SoCal, puts that in her ad, and the next day she takes it out. MANY have told me that all the guys were hitting her up for BBFS because that was in her ad. Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. You have your experiences and I have mine.
...California guys?" "...about a dozen..." Prove it. Haven't you learned anything from speaking for all over 50 guys? You sure aren't speaking for me. Let's see the posts of these "dozen" guys. I'm sure I'll be waiting for that link as long as Dr. Who has been waiting for that ticker symbol.
Where's the link to where I said "all." I'll be waiting.
Dr. Hooey's been waiting for a ticker symbol for a few months. We've been waiting for him to write his first review and prove he's a real hobbyist for years. At least you have three reviews and nearly a dozen whitelistings to show for your 13+ years as a hobbyist. According to Dr. Hooey, even three reviews makes you not a gentleman. Nevertheless, it shows you spent a few dozen hours out of 13 years not being a troll. Congrats.
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...of why you can't count. You said I have "...nearly a dozen whitelistings..." Try counting again, but this time use ALL your fingers and toes. Or get a squad of math guys to go along with your tech guys. You also couldn't figure out how many years I've been a member of TER. Sad!
"Us California guys." Not "some California guys;" Not "a majority of California guys;" Not "most California guys;" but "US California guys." Do you know what that means?
So where are the "about a dozen guys?" Still in your imagination? How will you deflect this time? JackDunphy must have taken time off to tutor you one on one in the art of deflection and distraction. Too bad you weren't paying attention because you're as good at deflection as you are at math.
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Hooey shows up here, you start remembering him with his pants around his ankles, and your brain goes soft. Still waiting for the link, Mr. big time archivist. I was going from memory about your whitelisting from a few months ago. I didn't check it this time. You're simply not important enough. No matter what the number, and even adding your whopping three reviews, its still a pitiful showing for 13 years of trolling the boards peppered with a little bit of hobbying. Going by the numbers, you're still a relative Newbie.
I did find a couple of posts where you said this on the LA board (and you've said it a LOT of times on other boards) but there aren't any times where anywhere close to a dozen guys concurred.
You remind me of another poster with keyboard diarrhea who has been insisting for years now that the "full bush" is coming back just because he sees it more often when watching porn. Simply saying something over and over doesn't make it true. Nor can the way you remember something compete with the facts revealed by a message search.
I see another "one of those days" headed your way today. lol
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Learn something new every day. I thought open minded meant more fetish stuff. Holy crap! Still new and learning, what’s the difference between PSE and Greek?
He claims PSE is the same as BBFS, he has countless posts on the K-Girl and other boards admonishing people for looking for BBFS when what they posted asking about PSE.
I guess that's only one of the reasons poor old CDL is looking like half pinata and half badminton shuttle cock in this and other threads over the last day or so.
Look ignorant when you talk about the LA market when you don't hobby there. There have been plenty of posts from others corroborating what's going on there with BBFS. The CV SF board has ads advertising BBFS as PSE. I didn't invent it, just reporting what's going on. No need to make it personal just because you don't like the message. Things are different out here. We even have paved roads. Lol
Once again you are talking about AAMPs not escorts. That's the problem.
He has such disparate parties as you, me, DR Who, BPS, Jake, Mick, Steph and everyone else on this thread agreeing with each other to disagree with him.
Usually on this board even if someone says as ridiculous as "I don't like pussy" they can usual find at least "somebody" who will go along with them. Right now it looks like CDL against the world, and I like the world's chances of being right over his.
any of my posts on this topic that I wasn't referring to AAMP's. However, there are many touring indies that are put off about coming to LA because the local mongers are pressuring EVERY provider for BBFS, not just the AAMP girls, but I agree with OTM, that's where it started. An indie provider even confirmed as much recently on the Kgirl board, that the BBFS problem is ONE of the reasons she has put off coming to LA.
I've said my piece, nothing else for me to comment on with respect to this topic here. Go ahead and go around the room and everyone take a last shot if it makes you all feel better. I'm wearing Teflon today, so no harm.
Greek is one factor of PSE....
I have never heard of that euphemism. I consider myself to be open minded and that in NO WAY is an indication of bbfs, as that is just plain idiotic.
Part 1: If we haven't met
Do you have certain characteristics that are worth more money? Yes. Pretty face (real unblurred pics including selfies and video) great body (natural, thin/spinner), age, certain ethnicities (there just aren't enough hot East Indian providers!)
IS age a factor? Yes. I don't care how good she looks "FOR HER AGE" I'm not paying the same rate for a provider in her 40s as I might for 26-34.
Location? I expect a nice, clean, safe incall no matter what. No motels or apartments in crappy neighborhoods. As the price goes up I expect the quality of the hotel to go up too.
Part 2: Once we've met
I'm more likely to repeat and pay a higher priced provider than a lower priced girl with all the above being equal if she's a great kisser, is responsive to DATY, and has a fun personality.
Part 3: killers once we've met
multiple cancellations, keeping me waiting, drama. Doesn't matter what the price is.
John, thanks for that. Lots of thoughtful replies.
So, this might be a stupid question but it's not obvious to me who gets more and why. you say you wouldn't pay more for an older provider. Is that to say looks are way more important than skill or maybe I'm assuming older providers will be better skilled. Maybe that's not even true these days, especially. I guess it's like an athlete, their value goes down as their body ages. Hummm thoughts on that?
... First, are you someone I'd like to meet, based on your profile, photos, and reviews (and board persona, if you have one)? I have certain preferences, such as age (I prefer 40+, but sometimes go younger), body type ("fit"), services, and personality.
Second, if you're someone I think I'd enjoy meeting, are you available to me? I don't travel much and thus prefer local ladies or at least frequent visitors, so repeats are possible if we hit it off.
Third, do I think your rates are in the ballpark for the market? Where I live, many top-notch providers are in the $300-400/hour range. If you're much above that, you'll have to be truly exceptional for me to decide to ask you for a date.
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and I feel that the price is the most I can afford, then that is a fair price.
is where neither side likes it that much, but both sides can live with it.
I was talking about the money ONLY. Lol
There are many variables, but the main is knowing what price is in my sandbox or wheel house. From there her pics, reviews, distance, and menu all factor into it.
What a lot of ladies dont get it seems is the idea of repeat business. You could get a guy to see you once with misrepresentation of age, weight and looks. And if it's not close they probably will not be back.
I dont care how great she sucks cock. If the door opens and I am thinking....oh shit....I am probably not returning.
I don't really have a determination. If I find you attractive, you are GFE, and you have decent reviews and you're in my budget, I will consider seeing you. Define "fair". It's not up to me as an individual to determine what a provider's "fair" rate. Age isn't a factor for me. Sexy is sexy to me. Location really isn't a factor to me, though I know if I ever go to Vegas or the next time I go to NYC (provider I used to see who discounted her rate for previous clients has retired for now) I'll have to raise my budget. Fake/real boobs doesn't matter to me either.
First, there is no such thing as a "fair" rate. There is only what the market will bear.
So, you know what your strength and weaknesses are compared to similar gals out there. Check what they are charging and that gives you a good ballpark starting rate. Now some of them are on the high side and some on the low side. You might think the high side ones make more money -- but maybe because of their higher price they get less business.
So once you get your ballpark figure, do some field experiments. Try different rates -- go down, go up.
Unless you are a porn star you probably aren't going to get too many calls at $900/hr. On the other hand you probably won't get too many calls at $50/hr because everyone will assume you are a walking petri dish.
Every business out there is always experimenting with prices. Because no one knows until the market speaks.
Thanks for the great responses to this! I appreciate it!
I've found over the years that I have some general tendencies but no hard and fast rules. Because of my life situation and available money I can't do this too often, maybe 1-3 times a month.
In general, I go for young and pretty (20s). I'm attracted to women of all ethnicities and a variety of physical characteristics. Big or small boobs, short or tall, hair color, etc.
I will go for providers up to 40 or so depending on relative price and if reviews tell me the experience will be worth it to me. Significantly overweight is disqualifying.
Location and the willingness to consider same day appointments are often factors when I have an unexpected opportunity and am horny. There are several agencies that I like to use where I know I'm going to leave happy. For my first few decades of hobbying, I was primarily going to AMPs, back when DC and Maryland had great AMP scenes.
Once I've seen a provider and know what the experience is like, I have a lot more info and can subjectively judge whether the rate constituted good value for money for me. If the overall experience was outstanding, I'll want to repeat. In recent years there have been several who I've seen multiple times. A few who I still try to see every few months if possible (will use the opportunities where I can plan a day or two in advance to see them). A few others (mostly on the younger side, 19-early 20s) who were great the couple times I got to see them, but only provided for a short time.
Best not to base your rate on things like age or body type unless you feel you need to. Look at the ladies in your area and see who charges the most and who charges the least and pick a rate you feel comfortable with. Most importantly don't let clients tell you what you should charge!! There are plenty out there trying to get service for as low as possible!
I compare similar services and looks and ratings among many providers to see what seems fair. For me, kissing, bbbj and a warm personality are worth more. Age is not a factor. Location doesn't matter. Fake or real doesn't matter. Yes, more physically attractive seems to relate to higher rates, which makes sense. Ultimately, if a provider has good reviews than the higher price is fair. If a provider has few or less reviews, then pretty body would be a determining factor.
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... your post made me smile.
To get on my "to do" list:
Pics give me a hard-on.
Reviews confirm CIM available.
Price 300 or less unless the pics give me sweet dreams and a hard-on all night...then maybe 400.
If all the above requirements are met, wait for the girl to offer incall in a nearby suburb on a day my wife does not have plans for me and/or I can sneak out of work.
Write review. Repeat if performance is 8 or better.
I have budget and I stick to it. Everything else on your list must be within the budget, period.