I have a question for guys and the ladies,I contacted this provider who wants a deposit up front she said it’s to make sure I am serious and I will show up also she asked for my phone number but I can only contact her through email now maybe once I give her my phone number she might give me hers but I don’t know if I should take a chance so what do the guys and ladies on this thread think?
Is she well reviewed? Normally I wouldn't give a deposit just because there are other options out there. I certainly wouldn't give a deposit for someone with no or bad reviews.
I would tell her that if she wants know if you're serious, how about you showing her your boner when you first get there? That should convince her you're serious.
The fact that you are here asking this says your big head is thinking this through and it doesn't smell right to you. Continue to let the big head manage your financial dealings. Move on. There are plenty of providers who DON'T require a deposit.
She's using your phone number for screening purposes. Does she have a website? Is she on twitter? Is she reputable? Reviews? Multiple ads? Were you screened with any info other than your phone number?
If a lady is reputable and legitimate she won't take your deposit and run. If this is someone without an online presence who didn't screen you I wouldn't suggest seeing someone like that in the first place.
Once she has your money... for no work... what makes you think the date would ever happen? Do you have SUCKER printed on your forehead? This is a huge RED FLAG! If you even have to ask, the answer is NO!
This is just a nomal meeting, right?
Does she have a long history of good reviews, so that her stage name has actual value?
The only exceptions are if you are flying her to you where she'd have extra-ordnary expenses or and extended date like a weekend where she is committing a lage block of time to you and turning away other dates. Few would consider such an extended date without a prior meeting AND the lady having a superior reputation of delivering as promised.
I had too many providers who flaked on me so deposit for me would be a high risk requirement.
For example, she has to buy plane tickets and/or get a hotel room.
Also sometimes if you are looking for a long session such as an overnight.
In any case, I would only proceed if she has a long record of good reviews.
Even with all this, it can be a crap-shoot, as I've lost a couple of deposits over time, but the vast majority panned out fine.
My website states that I require a deposit for appts longer than 3 hrs...so, I MOSTLY agree with your response.
That being said...I recently instructed my assistant of a policy change requiring a deposit from ALL “newbies” regardless of appt length. This was inspired as a result of their refusal to honor my cancellation policy (since they have no knowledge/understanding of blacklisting on various websites and how that might affect their future attempts at procuring “recreational companionship”).
The simple fact is that any reputable provider should be able to intelligently weigh the deposit amount (which in most cases is less than 2k) against their potential future income (which in most cases is upwards of 100k) and recognize that cheating clients out of deposits is definitely not in their best interest.
For example, she has to buy plane tickets and/or get a hotel room.
Also sometimes if you are looking for a long session such as an overnight.
In any case, I would only proceed if she has a long record of good reviews.
Even with all this, it can be a crap-shoot, as I've lost a couple of deposits over time, but the vast majority panned out fine.
She Do you have 4 reviews but they not stellar reviews and she charge 500.00...thanks everybody for your feedback I will not be seeing her!!
Doesn't matter how reputable they are!
Deposit is crazy talk. No need to pay, your inviting risk. Easy to find a SW that do not require the one . IMHO
At least, you will have the satisfaction flushing money down the toilet!!
Some providers believe they have magic pussies, no man can resist.
a good reputation, website, (paid), twitter, enough website history, reviews, ads in different places... i don't see the issue. I request deposit few times. Specially when the person making the booking has history of NCNS in the past with other ladies or for clients that don't have any reference. Just to cover myself in case since I don't see multiple people in a day and I would loose the entire incall money. (at least enough to cover the incall I guess).
But everyone manages their things differently... and every gentleman has their right to declined or accept the lady request.
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Yes!! Too many clients will reserve an extended period of time and then cancel when we could've reserved that time for someone else that wouldn't cancel. I only ask for deposits anything over 2hrs. Ive never cancelled on anyone sending deposits, but I note on my website, if I cancel you will receive a refund. If you cancel, it's nonrefundable. I've never once had a problem. I also do a ton of weekend dates and "flymetoyou" dates and always ask for a deposit for this! If a lady kept your deposit money without seeing you, you can simply write her a review for essentially stealing your money.
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According to TER rules, a client can not write a review of a meeting that didn’t happen . If she runs off with a deposit, you can’t review it . One of the reasons it happens more than you think. I’m glad deposits work for you tho.
You are correct - you cannot write a review.
You can post on the board about the incident.
4 or more hours for hobbyists are are new to the provider.
Any provider who wants a deposit for a 1 or 2-hr. encounter will not be hearing from me.
Never ever send a deposit. I was seeing Ruby for a very long time. I was tipping her good. When I was out of town for the Christmas holiday, she call and said that she lost money when she was trying to make a deposit in the ATM and that she needed to pay rent. Then, it was another excuse, I sent more money. When I returned, she agreed to go to our usual spot, she never showed 2 days in the row, but she kept asking for money. She even wanted me to pay-off her furniture bill. I did at first, she was suppose to meet me and didn't show. When I was calling and texting, boyfriend/pimp chimed in and told me to stop calling his girl. So, I called the company and refunded my payment. Come the find out, the furniture was in her boyfriend/pimps name.
It doesn't matter if they have long reviews or not, never ever send money over the wire. I knew this girl for over a year.
Sounds like running off with deposits has reached epidemic proportions. Check the Boston board, there are a few of the same instances
distill the discussion down to the basics of why we are all here. Lol
This is a shining example of how to lighten up a thread while not coming across as a complete dick. You did justice to sarcastic humor.
on her tits.
Second that motion
In my years doing this, I've never been asked for a deposit. In fact, I just recently saw a profile where she was asking for a deposit. The ad was up for 3 days then gone.
Think about it. Girl puts up an ad, gets emails and calls. Not her real pic, mind you. Schedules appointments to meet, takes your money and gone like a fart in the wind. All she needs is 30 suckers at $40 a pop.
You've no previous contact with her, she's not a regular and you've never seen her reviews, right? So, I'll give you my email address, if you could just forward me the money you were going to give her, we can call it a day.
She's not doing reno's on your house and need a deposit to order materials or buying a car.
I've never seen a woman ask for only $40 as a deposit. Sounds like lowest common denominator backpages activity
That being said, if provider is well known, AND I know her already I might consider a deposit for a multi day and/or vacation together trip for her locking in a planned number of days. But never for a 1-3 hr rendevous with someone I don't know. Its just asking to get ripped off.
have had bad experiences with deposits. Some ladies won't book at all without a deposit due to where they are in life (child care, pet sitters etc.) so they need to make sure their time isn't wasted. These ladies have been around, are reputable and seem to be thriving. There are other ladies like myself who require deposits after a certain amount of hours (mine is anything over 2hrs) that have never had a problem. You have all chimed in about the lady being reputable before considering so I won't beat that dead horse but I will say that there is risk on both sides. Sometimes we have regular clients that we trust and have seen for long periods of time that decide not to show. If you didn't ask for a deposit and only booked the incall for that one encounter you're just as screwed. At the end of the day, be safe, be mindful and continue to do what works best for you.
...and that is so rare as to be possibly 2x in 25 years. Due to illness of me or a family member. The providers always made out better in the end. Never gave them deposits and saw them multiple times afterwards. I made good.
Many clients do just as you have done in that scenario but you know that saying about the apples...
but like you say about the apples...... lol
You are free to ask for deposits if that's what you want to do, but don't get mad when most guys remember those apples you were talking about and simply move on to the next girl like I do. Well actually I have NEVER been asked for a deposit, but if I see it is a woman's policy on her ad or website, I just don't bother contacting her knowing that we are at an impasse.
in 7 years and over 100 sessions. all between 2 and 5 hours with high end ladies.
In both cases I was clear upfront that I don't do deposits: one waived the deposit (beginning of a cool friendship), one declined to meet (damn shame but I found a delightful regular partner in her stead).
MY policy is to NEVER do deposits or to provide PII and I am having a fabulous time!
I have learned my lesson!! Read my post Ripoffs and Reviews.
I have north of $15k in deposits right now with a bunch of providers. Most of my appointments are 100% prepaid.
Normal for me. I've had one provider no show with a deposit--she made good on it, in a big way, when she came back to town. In the past year, I've booked one appointment for which I had never seen the provider and she didn't ask for a deposit, and guess what? She didn't show up. An hour's wasted time for me.
If she has a lot invested in her career - many reviews, long Twitter feed, nice website - taking your deposit is not worth the risk for her. She'll almost certainly show up. Not to mention it's nice to get frequent flyer miles just for playing, because most deposits can be paid for with credit cards (Gift Rocket, PayPal, Venmo, Amazon gift certificates, etc.). Oh, never mail cash... that's not a good plan.
If she's new and doesn't have someone you know to vouch for her, however, I'd be hesitant to give a deposit. There are scam artists out there.
In all the years, and all the time that I have ask ladies to meet me in other cities, I have NEVER been asked for a deposit, till today. It's not in my nature to give a deposit. It's a "potential" risk that I rather not take. She could cancels, or something comes up on my end, the list goes on, so trying to collect or reschedule is a pain.
But she asked for the deposit, 50% down and I said it's not in me, she understood so we decided to skip the meet...oh well.
And what made it more iffy was that she wasn't reviewed, but I knew of her where others may not.
I don’t pay deposits, but I have voluntarily paid providers full price for the scheduled session when I had to cancel last minute.
Did it once---got burned---never ever again!!
I have required a deposit to book for the last 7 years. The majority of my clients pay in prior to the play date. I am honest & reputable. I believe because this is my hobby too I value my playtime more. I have never wasted my time, or had my time wasted. To each their own. For all those who will not supply a deposit that is your choice. I honestly feel that deposits for high end & reputable providers will become the norm in the near future. If the provider has done you dirty post who she is to warn your fellow hobbyists. Sharing is caring.
He just wants to get attention by whining and looking like a victim!
The OP is making that less likely, not more likely by letting her get away with it.
I "almost" wrote a post telling coonassman to lighten up a bit, but after reading the last several posts on this thread I have to concede he's right, the OP is doing nothing more than whining and seeking sympathy while being too gutless (by his own words) to do anything about it.
You are absolutely correct that honest providers should be among the most upset about this as it makes their jobs tougher, just like when I recently had my personal information splashed all over the internet by a previously "well reviewed provider" it made things that much harder for the women to get any personal screening info from any guy that saw what happened to me. Unlike the OP however, I didn't punk out and allow her to get away with her bad behavior, so at least you honest, non BSC women can point to the fact that outing a person really does have consequences, in this case there is no such lesson to be learned as the thief in question is going to get away scot free. Way to go OP.
If a provider is well-reviewed with a strong internet presence (through here or Twitter or putting out a lot of media on other pay-sites), I'm not sure why potential clients would be worried about paying a deposit.
Our reputation is our business. So why would an established provider try to rip someone off for a (couple) hundred bucks when they could be jeopardizing WAY MUCH MORE in lost income due to the ripples in their reputation?
I'm only here to stand up to the board tricks saying "nope, never, its a scam" for the sake of newbie providers who think that these big mouths are the norm for the industry. They are not.
Someone who is experienced in this world doesn't want to pay a deposit to an established provider is pretty much ONLY concerned that they might have to cancel last-minute and thus forfeit their deposit.
Quite literally, if he acts like he's being put out by a deposit, its because he knows there is a chance he will lose it due to his own scheduling and behavior.
And that's fine, some guys really need to be last-minute to work out the hobby. I understand that. Its okay to book last minute and its okay to change your schedule around - depending on the provider you are approaching.
But don't knock the providers who like to have a schedule and like to work with people who can respect their time.
You have learned absolutely nothing from reading the feedback from the CUSTOMERS here. You should have posted this on the PO board where your potential customers who DON'T consider themselves time-wasters would not have seen it.
You are completely wrong about the deposit, at least in my case. I am willing to give a deposit to protect the provider from a last-minute cancellation, providing it is reciprocal. In other words, if I cancel she keeps the deposit, but if she cancels, she refunds me twice the deposit amount. This approach stops the deposit issue from being one-sided. In most cases, customers are penalized if they cancel, but the provider isn't. THAT'S the part I object to about deposits. I'm a busy guy, too, and don't like MY time wasted anymore than a provider does. If SHE is the one cancelling, I should be compensated as well. If they don't agree to reciprocity, then I move on.
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And you and I have been here before - you know I'm as honest and straightforward as they come.
I'm not even the slightest bit concerned about scaring off someone who won't pay a deposit.
I don't require deposits - only for longer visits and obviously for travel. And if you have blacklists for being a time-waster or your references say "he tries to reschedule a lot at the last minute."
But like, I have zero interest in getting involved with someone who won't play by my rules. And it seems like you are the same.
Why not just live and let live?
we both have our own way of looking at it, but the difference is that I am the customer. There is competition for my money. If some providers want to have one-size-fits-all policies, then many times those policies will take her out of the running for any of my hobby money. My policy is fair-minded to both sides and imposes the same penalty for either side cancelling last minute. Most providers want a one-way street on last-minute cancellations, so they miss out on my business. They can agree to reciprocity, or else waive the deposit requirement, so they still have a reasonable choice about getting my business.
FYI, in nine years of hobbying, I have only cancelled on less than 24 hours notice twice due to a family medical emergency. I don't think there are many providers that have a record like that, so the risk of cancellation to me is greater to the risk to them when seeing me, hence, the reciprocity policy IF they want a deposit. I am late about 20% of the time due to LA traffic, but I know that comes off of my time that I booked, so no harm to the provider.
And anyone who would keep a deposit after canceling themselves is a little suspect, I agree.
The few times I've had to cancel, which have never been on dates where I've been given a deposit, I simply offer more time the next time around.
I'd invite my customers to comment here, but I think most of my market has more to do than you or I hanging out on TER.
It just is what it is.
I literally couldn't care less about getting business from people who don't want to do business my way.
Maybe not everyone is in that boat with me, but I'm captain of my own ship, and its by invitation only.
Im simply here to say to the board tricks "Stop trying to make it sound like deposits are outrageous." Deposits are actually pretty standard in a lot of situations.
Live and let live.
By reciprocity, I'm not talking about merely refunding my money (that was already my money to begin with) if she cancels, I'm talking about paying me a like amount for being the damaged party, the SAME as she would get (keeping my deposit) if I cancelled last minute.
I realize I am not a prospect for your particular service, but we are having an academic discussion about deposits. I am in agreement with you that the IDEA of deposits is NOT outrageous, but I would ONLY give one on reciprocal terms, meaning if she cancels last minute on me, I not only get my deposit back, but I get an additional like amount for the trouble. If I cancel last minute, that's what she gets, so I just want the same thing if she cancels last minute on me. I will say that when I have presented this fair-minded proposal to providers I was interested in seeing, some will pass on my business (which is okay by me since there are more providers than I will have time to see in my remaining lifetime anyway), and some will WAIVE their usual deposit requirement. The ones that waived were always glad they did, so I think its just coming to a meeting of the minds that is fair and equitable, that's all.
Your words “ Anyone who would keep a deposit is a LITTLE suspect “ a little ? How about a straight up thief ? Additionally, not one post by a gent here is asking a gal that request a deposit to change her MO. When we see that, we just simply turn the page. The only 100 % way to guarantee a deposit not being ripped off is to not give one . Thus endth the lesson......
Anyone who steals a deposit is a thief; hands down.
I just don't believe that its happening as a matter of course. I think its a few rogue hustlers who aren't even providers. Like how could someone with reviews and a twitter following get away with stealing a deposit?
And again, why would a provider who makes (tens of) thousands a month rip someone off for a few hundred?
I'm literally just here to be on record as a provider who says that deposits are pretty run of the mill and the "potential" clients who poo poo them are simply people who know they will back out of an appointment and thus lose their money.
Y'all are literally the kind of customers we are trying to scare away by asking for deposits.
It is happening and by providers , check the boards if you need more background. There are 4 cases of the issue on the Boston boards specifically. They get away with it because you can’t review a NCNS. There is no “better business bureau” to report them to. Providers have all the gents RLI and men are hesitant to call them out for fear of backlash from the woman. Amount of Revenue has no bearing on a SW ability to operate without the best intentions. If you believe deposits are “ run of the mill “ i believe the number of posts you see here contradict that assertation. The clients that are against deposits are not because they are going to flake it’s the concern that the provider will. Scaring away customers is your right to do as it’s your business. However I don’t believe you are scaring clients away by asking for deposits, your business model doesn’t match up with some men and they spend their money elsewhere. Sounds like a win win for all ? Literally.....
On any occasion that I have to reschedule an appt unexpectedly, I always offer 30min-2hr additional time *gratis* when we are able to reschedule the appt. This is regardless whether there was a deposit paid or not. The amount of additional time I offer takes a few things into consideration such as the length of their original booking, precisely how offensively "last minute" my cancellation/reschedule request was, and the ease with which we are able to reschedule (i.e. whether they are local or visiting or if it occurs while I am touring and how soon I will be back in their area).
I think it is ridiculous to suggest return of your deposit doubled. Are you in the auto title loan business?
You have learned absolutely nothing from reading the feedback from the CUSTOMERS here. You should have posted this on the PO board where your potential customers who DON'T consider themselves time-wasters would not have seen it.
You are completely wrong about the deposit, at least in my case. I am willing to give a deposit to protect the provider from a last-minute cancellation, providing it is reciprocal. In other words, if I cancel she keeps the deposit, but if she cancels, she refunds me twice the deposit amount. This approach stops the deposit issue from being one-sided. In most cases, customers are penalized if they cancel, but the provider isn't. THAT'S the part I object to about deposits. I'm a busy guy, too, and don't like MY time wasted anymore than a provider does. If SHE is the one cancelling, I should be compensated as well. If they don't agree to reciprocity, then I move on.
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Read my “Tampa Warning” post on the Florida board. I have learned my lesson. The only time I wasted, was seeing this provider a minimum of 6 times prior to being ripped off. This provider earned close to 10k over multiple visits just to take me for close to 2k for what was to be a multi day get together. I don’t care how well reviewed a provider is, or now, that I have even met with them before, I will not advance money.
I'm sorry that happened to you.
It seems odd that someone would rip off a customer, and that someone would risk their reputation for just a couple thousand dollars.
Some of us make tens of thousands a month and to risk a reputation over a grand for a travel deposit, or a hundred or two for a multi-hour simply isn't worth it.
But I guess you never can tell?
None of these women are thieves, until they are. When "well reviewed" providers rip off their clients, and their are simply too many instances of this happening for any reasonable person to deny it happens", its the honest providers who suffer.
Until something is done about the ROB's, no monger in his right mind is going to advance payment with no recourse if the woman decides to just keep his money and provide ZERO services.
Also keep in mind that for every time a guy comes on the board complaining about being ripped off there are several guys getting ripped off who are too scared about repercussions due to providing her "blackmail" information against him to ever utter a word. Or the guy is like the poster the other day who came on here whining about being ripped off, but was too scared to "name names" That provider not only has his money, but she didn't do even the slightest damage to her reputation.
I have seen several very high priced providers. Meaning two hours for $1400-$1500. None of them required a deposit. No way I would send money to someone I've never met. If they are that uncomfortable with you, you don't want to see them regardless how attractive they are. Not worth the risk.
Don't do it!
C'mon dude, there isn't any pussy out there worth reserving!!
of this conversation is! The people who think they are "buying" pussy and the people who are interested in a person and the experience as a whole. There is no pussy worth reserving. You are absolutely correct. But they are lots of people interested in spending time with me and my colleagues as a people and they're willing to do what is necessary to make that happen.
Someone just today asked how to pay me upfront for an appt we set today for 2 weeks from now. For no particular reason. Just because they want to. Your (negative) voices are not the only ones. You're just shouting the loudest.
They are shouting - DON'T BE STUPID, DON'T DO DEPOSITS! 
If you are paying a deposit you are "reserving" pussy, whether you like it or not.
Hi, Why do providers ask for deposits? Because collectively as an "employer" the Hive of hobbiests will leave you stranded. One could have a stack of appointments that all cancel. Then what?
When we cancel on you, you have to rub one out
When you cancel on us we are unemployed.
There is no comparison, they are not the same, the severity, gravity of the situation is simply not comparable.
When someone bad mouths a client, they get butt hurt
When someone bad mouths a provider it can severely impact their livelihood.
I don't want to fuck you if you don't trust me.
How can you trust me? First, one needs to abolish globally applying attributes to us as a group.
You should be able to use discretion and discernment to decide if a potential provider is someone you could trust.
Threads like these that perpetuate extreme value statements about providers do nothing but increase the risk to us. We become not individuals with our own stories and needs, but an avatar for everything you hate about us. Those who are incapable of nuanced thinking, parade around with their placards of "all hoes this" and "all hoes that." They become less and less able to make intelligent decisions about each individual they encounter, instead blanketing the whole group as guilty of all the infractions.
We are then treated as though we are guilty of this from the start.
So, in my practice, after experiencing what feels like a coordinated DOS of NCNS I request deposits. They are not mandatory to get on my schedule. But if someone else wants that time and provides a deposit, you lose your spot. I ask if you want to secure that time with a deposit but you can refuse and if no one takes it and you show up there we are, right as rain with no deposit.
But I will not hold a spot open for free if offered a deposit for that time. I am running a business after all and the customer base I have is notorious for cancelling, so it's become necessary. I didn't create the conditions, I just have to thrive in them.
As a business woman I also know people need incentives to take on a new riskier behavior so I offer generous saving for prepaid sessions.
Probably one of the most one sided and ridiculous statements I’ve heard. To paraphrase, you are indicating your time is more valuable than your clients. How about the gentleman who is paid by the hour or a day and the SW ncns flakes etc ? He doesn’t get burnt ? Seriously? Not one post on this thread is requesting providers change the strategy on deposits. Run your business as you see fit do what’s best for you. The client will purchase goods and services in a way that they feel comfortable.
Your comprehension of my statement is false.
I am not stating that. I am stating that the time that is spoken of, the appointment where one person is buying and one person is selling. In that transaction, the loss of a cancellation is different.
This is hard stuff, I know. It's easier to lay a huge toxic blanket of falsely fueled contempt to start a false narrative. But what YOU said is not what I said. Don't get it twisted
Both of you are flipping out. Calm down. Discrediting me is expected. Reading more into what I said, twisting it, damning me, making me out to be the absolute craziest hooker on earth, infusing your meaning into my words, your story will become the narrative for it, good on ya.
You're right the post is condescending, did you read the thread it was attached to? It's in context to a lot of animosity.
You are actually illustrating my exact point pretty well. Vilifying me, contempt prior to investigation, character assassination, defamation are all examples of what happens when people lose the ability for nuanced thinking.
You can cry that my insults on par with yours but they're not. Mine are observations of what is actually happening, we all get lumped together into one big pile of no good hoes no matter our background, character or anything. that is the topic of this thread. We get cancelled on a lot, like it's ridiculous, insulting and abusive.
Sounds like you'd like to talk about me lumping all of you in together. OK start at thread. I'm responding to this one. Collectively, yes if the world of johns were a single employer they'd suck right now. Give me a different story to tell and I'll tell it. I am just reasonably trying to state a greiveance.
What if we acted the way you do when gals are doing the right thing, You all bully any guy who tries to simply comply or support, or advocate or any overt attempt to help us out, like pay deposits. I mean you're rabid about it. It's not like you just simply don't want to, or gee there's a danger of theft. It would be the like us bullying a woman for actually giving you what you want in a session, making her feel really bad for doing anything extra. I mean. Come on. You're taking a whole business practice and vilifying it across the board and attaching social punishment to anyone who breaks ranks and signs on.
I'm just sayin. That is all pretty extremo. Take each gal for who she is. Remember your humanity,
It’s EXACTLY what you said ! And you said it again, when you tried to explain you didn’t say it . SMH . You say the “loss of the cancellation is different.” ? How ? Please enlighten us . No need to twist , your words paint a accurate picture.
It's different exactly in the way she said. Blue balls vs. Bills not being paid. What do you lose if you get cancelled on? Will you be late on your bills or not be able to buy groceries. You realize this is our livelihood right? I require deposits from ANY new client because I had 3 cancellations in one night (2 cancelled and 1 was a fake) that is literally my rent money right there gone.
What a condescending post! To quote: " Those who are incapable of nuanced thinking . . ." And maybe a little paranoid, eh? "feels like a coordinated DOS of NCNS . . ."
How can you possibly trust the judgement of someone who is clearly doesn't like her "client base" much nor spend the time to understand THEIR concerns.
Clients and potential clients being talked down to by a "business person" is the dumbest fucking thing I have seen in a while. I am sure that many ladies here are articulate and educated but spare us "Hive of Hobbyists" a PUBLIC lecture by a hooker.
Paying deposits is for chumps who want to lose their money. Your business issues are yours, a clients interests are his.
Speaking just for myself, if I get a whiff of "man hating bitch" with a little BSC mixed in, I look elsewhere . . .
Just saying!
So, In my post, I attack no one. Your post is almost 100% character assassination which is apparently not against TOS, so OK.
Regarding my 'client base' MY client base is wonderful, I don't need a lot of men to like me just a few men who like me a lot. My critique isn't of the people who I consider my clients but the all too large contingency that as a whole creates really crappy working conditions and if those other guys try to mitigate, they are hung up in a public square.
Regarding being a man hating bitch. That would make sense if I had gotten into this work against my will. But I didn't. I came to it fully present and willing because I quite enjoy the company of men. That there are many who seem bent on making our lives harder and not easier, I can only say it makes those who value us that much more desirable in every way and sadly makes is so we are even having a discussion about deposits which should not be necessary but are. Don't blame us and punish us for conditions we didn't create.
if you have a hard time judging character of the providers you see, use the food shopping tip. Eat before you shop. Study your options after you've busted a nut and maybe you'll see the red flags you'd have missed with blue balls.
Go to home depot and by yourself a shovel. It’s going to be easier to dig this hole younput yourself in.
but I can't think of a single reason to take it.
A reminder, these are "Discussion Boards" where such things are discussed. Discussions often include views other than yours. It's even encouraged.
We get to say what we want, so do you. Got it now? Oh, and how does one even bully an adult via a keyboard or is the answer too "nuanced"?
To answer your question, I am doing quite well in this sport, thank you! I am blessed with the company of naked, beautiful, classy and kind ladies often! No blue balls here.
We "are even having a discussion about deposits" because GUYS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF! Yet you see only your side of the disagreement and jump up and down claiming malice. We hobbyists didn't "create the conditions" either. I am quite sure that your clients are the most respectable of men (except for the NCNS conspiracy crowd) - I wonder if they still believe that you do. Sounds like a pretty untrustworthy bunch to me!
I only mentioned a potential whiff of MHB . . . . Some grow into it . . .
Ain't nobody "bent on making our lives harder", another conspiracy perhaps? Guys are just trying to protect themselves by having their own policies that conflict with yours that are designed to protect you. Get over it.
Deposits are for chumps.
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This is a lot of anger my friend, directed toward me for no reason. That's objectification, denigration, black and white thinking. You would not be able to say any of that to my face. You'd feel foolish and ashamed. This is the point I am trying to make. The way we conduct ourselves toward each other matters. It matters that you are talking like this to me. Were you to meet me I don't think that would flow so easily.
That's not being able to see people as actual people.
I'm not moved by your rousing roast of me, I fully expect any attempt to disagree with the anti-trust policy will be met with swift and severe retribution and you didn't disappoint.
I've said not nearly as much about your character as you have about yours. Your attempts to brand me and my comments as meaningless, crazy man hating vitriol will cull out exactly who it should, because anyone who would take your word for it should not inquire. Those who know better are smiling. What you are hearing isn't man hating at all, it's culture hating. . Good Men are out there, so it's not an inherent "Man" thing to be this way, otherwise you'd all be like this, but the Good Men let the cat out of the bag and ate the daylights outta that pussy!
I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm the one that doesn't know what a discussion is.
"Get over it,"
"Deposits are for chumps?"
For me personally, I have not had to interact in any capacity on any level with people who spoke like this to other people, so perhaps my take is skewed, but , this being a discussion at all, these sound like attempts to silence any opposition to your thoughts. So, a little projection happening there, I think.
You're not blessed with, you pay for their company. Don't get that twisted, either That's a world of hurt to lie to yourself about. It's not a sport you're winning. It's a service you purchase. That you can afford to may be the only card you have to play.
"Oh, and how does one even bully an adult via a keyboard or is the answer too "nuanced"?
That is brilliant. So you dismiss the idea of bullying online entirely? You just don't believe it's a thing at all? A dead giveaway that one is dealing with an abuser is when you find yourself explaining basic manners and decorum. IT's an abuse tactic. Bravo, I guess?
Regarding my DOS comment, it's not from paranoia, it's from data. GIven the data from Nov 16, that was the largest number of visitors to my site after having posted an ad here, some thread posts and posting on Twitter. I don't know which thing was caught up in someone's shit storm, but I never got an email through TER again. So, perhaps the coinciding days of blocks of NCNS were unrelated, but honestly it was so bad it's better to think it was coordinated that to think people had just collectively become that shitty all the sudden all at once.
Or they found my posts and decided they thought I was a BSCMHB. like you so be it. That way of treating people and categorizing people isn't sexy to me.
Bat shit crazy man hating bitches are indeed made and not born. They're a amalgam forged in the fire of invalidation, violence, intimidation, bullying, discounting, devaluing, disenfranchisement. Behind every BSCMHB is a man, or cadre of men, driving her to it. .
Unbunch your big-girl panties there Lorena! You are irrational, paranoid, and as jaded and cynical as I have ever seen. Dumb too. Don't fool yourself, I would be quite comfortable saying this to your face, but it won't happen - I see a different caliber of lady.
With this one passage: "Behind every BSCMHB is a man, or cadre of men, driving her to it" you reveal your true thoughts yet again. Of course, it's a MAN's fault. Cadre, eh? Another conspiracy perhaps? Same one maybe? It looks like the men you so hate turned you into one! BAD MEN! BAD MEN!
No anger my friend, just frustration at how very little you get. Why on earth would I want to silence you? Yo prove my points with each successive post.
Quite the man-blaming victim aren't you, with : ""MHB's" are a amalgam forged in the fire of invalidation, violence, intimidation, bullying, discounting, devaluing, disenfranchisement". Word salad nonsensical bullshit here hon. You're just pissed that some men think deposits are stupid and you feel entitled to their money. How dare your customers disagree with you?
I will characterize my involvement in the hobby as I see fit, thank you, please spare your semantic gibberish. It is fun so I call it a sport (sport fucking). I am blessed that I found QUALITY, delightful women who actually like men and I can easily afford to play my sport often only with the best of ladies available. I have found that a major difference between the Top ladies and the rest is their positive attitude.
Another telling comment about me that shows what you think of your clients " That you can afford to (pay) may be the only card you have to play". Code for "guys who do this are losers". Yet another smart business move! LOL! I suspect that you chose this because it is the only card that you have to play - project much? .
Your posts will not help the problem with your business. You are already, by your own posts, not getting any more TER messages - - it's GOT to be a mans (or group of conspiring men!) fault, eh?
At least be smart enough to hide your contempt for men. Good luck with your business, the only person getting in the way of your success is you.
My dad used to say "when in a hole, stop digging". 
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First of all, the emails don't come through TER anymore, I didn't say they don't come at all.
My problems with my business, which I do have, are due to being in excruciating pain for months and not scheduling myself because I needed to heal. Truth is I got plenty of inquiries doing no advertising or anything for many months, they just didn't get opened. Between that and a heap of just circumstances I found myself depleted. I'll build again. You can't scare me that I won't make it or whatever. I can do any kind of job I want to successfully. My success is o mean, tying to brand me as stupid is, well, stupid.
I will say, that I'm not smart enough to be stupid, that's a thing. By the time I remember to be stupid it's usually too late, so yeah, the average punter (not my client base) is looking for stupid from the start and the smartest girls really know how to deliver. Someone thought his 19 year old Sugar Baby candidate didn't know that sex was part of the arrangement. I mean, that's fucking Oscar material!
THe comment about you only having that card to play was meant for you specifically based on the agression in your posts. Clearly you're not happy and have a general dislike for women and the undoubtedly many highly polished and professional providers you see are skilled at cloaking their authentic selves so you get the experience that otherwise may never happen. I don't think that's true for most, no.
You're so hell bent on making me the villain. News flash, I didn't steal your deposits you can take your anger elsewhere. I am not pissed that some men don't do deposits. I'm pissed that people like you get airtime abusing us as a whole group and making personal attacks when anyone tries to express a different view point and shaming and name calling any clients who comply with a deposit policy. Ya, step off, dude! Mind YOUR business, and don't try to sabotage ours!
Ya know what? Since being in LA and being involved in this, I don't blame you to not trust the majority of the people. The few women I have come across who do this, I definitely followed them around my house nervously. I didn't trust them at all. But that was me deciding that based on who they were, how they made me feel. I don't automatically assign all of the negative attributes to each person, but that's what you are insisting other clients do or be "chumps."
I was never taught to view men as wallets and I never have expected a man to provide for me and I have been financially independent my whole life. Poor as fuck because of the kinds of work I did, but I was poor and honest. My relationships with men have never, until now, been confounded by money.
I was fucking around so much for free I figured I should make money at it. I never had sex with an expectation that anything would be exchanged.
So, I started doing this but it became constant battle. It was fun until I became hip to how naive I am, easy to manipulate and take advantage of I am. When I realized that had become the norm not the exception it became less fun, by a lot. Now, I label Takers and Givers. Not all clients are takers, and not all escorts are thieves. If
can make a distinction, why can't you? I don't treat all my clients like they are takers.
Takers want to get more for less and want to not honor any boundaries or professional standards, givers just give They are generous with their attention, kindness, money. They don't expect special treatment but they get it because they make me feel valued and appreciated.
IF someone doesn't trust me don't bother with me, but to go in here and rant and rave about how inherently untrustworthy we all are, yea, I'm going to say something about that. It doesn't reflect me and who I am. it is a unfair and sets a tone that dehumanizes us. Your assessment of me and attempts to discredit my character are
only motivation to address it more.
and I apologize for my part in making things worse for you.
I guess in a way I do feel sorry for her, but not enough to listen to her bullshit.
That's one great thing about these discussion boards that many a BSC hooker will never figure out. For every smart, insightful woman like Christine who's board posts make guys WANT to meet her, there are a dozen like this one, whose board posts most likely have her on a hundred new "must miss lists" every time she posts.
Guys want a GFE, not an "Ex wife experience"
You're hiding behind an alias to say this to me, big guy. For every guy ut there who used this thread to decide not to see me, that is a whole bunch of time saved for me. This is a great way to scrub the pipeline. I don't need anyone in my life, client or otherwise, who in their actual life thinks like you do. THis may come as a real shock to you but shhhh ( I don't want all the guys to like me).
I want to dig and dig to mine the few gems that are confident enough to make their own decisions about whom to trust. They are not swayed by keyboard jockeys with mommy issues.
Does it piss me off that the'll support me behind the scenes but not stick their neck out in the forums, as was the case last January when I was banned from blogging for life on another site? Yea, but hey I am a girl and I can't comprehend the predicament of being branded a White Knight. It must be bad.
You're saying I am bat shit whatever the fuck for doing the following:
Advocating for there to be basic respect for our businesses and our business practices and
not wanting to see slanderous posts that paint a broad swath of mistrust over a legitimate business practice that I for one am relying heavily on and
being righteously peeved about the tone of it all because it's abusive and shitty.
Your threats implying that I won't "succeed" because I sound like your ex wife don't matter to me. Even if that were to happen I still can go and do whatever I want. So what? That's meaningless to me. .My value goes so far beyond that I can't summons a feeling about it me.
Not being successful and being what YOU want isn't a failure to me, it's a benchmark of success. I'm not striving to become whatever person would be OK with how you talk to us, think about us. Not looking to be that girl.
Me? I just wanted to fuck around.
For no reason whatsoever, someone is hell bent, this is fucking hell bent, too, for sure, on making anyone who pays a deposit to feel like they've been had.
Well fuck you. I don't have a pot to piss in at the moment but I am giving payments first and for most to a man who made a deposit of 500 for a Vegas trip I had to cancel. I'm almost done. Do I encourage that guy, from a small town in the southeast to trust everyone like that? Hell no.
But you give me one good reason why he shouldn't trust me? Why is he a chump, Shitstain? You've been calling me names so there's yours. Go ahead. What about ME makes me worthy of your toxic bile? Thing is, you have a whole idea about me that is more false than you can imagine. But you can't because we are all the same to you.
You are stepping right on the hands that do feed me, so back the fuck off.
After I realized you were clueless suggesting he’s hiding behind an alias, like me...
Ok now I’ll go read what you had to say.
Already I think we need a reminder that I did not steal anyone's money but i get to feel like I did and I'll be treated like I did. That is the crux.
I was thinking of cajunman I think that one's an alias. Doesn't matter. No matter how many times you try to brand me as crazy, man hating blah de blah, your attempts to slander my character will stand in stark relief against the actual canvass of who I am so i am not moved by your childish insults and attempts to intimidate me.
. Poverty has a funny way of making one quite immune to threats of poverty. That doesn't scare me.
I am very concerned for clients who get ripped off. I'd like to problem solve solutions, like a service that offers to put deposits in escrow or something like that.
The client who is getting paid back right now, It kills me I didn't have it available to return immediately. Under MY ideal business circumstances that money would NOT be spent until services rendered. Is he lucky he got me and not an unscrupulous person? Could be luck or it could mean that he screened well.
While we are on that topic, how do I handle a client cancellation with a deposit? They are welcome to that session at another time. I've no need to punish people if there is a delay.
“banned from blogging for life on another site”
Hint, ya think there’s a problem here that starts with “YOU”?
yes, my 'problem' is not being easily intimidated or controlled. It's only problematic if that's you goal. I was banned for life for basically calling out bullies online. IS that a problem? Only if you want people who support or are free range assholes on the internet as clients.
OK, so not an alias, bust a gut laughing at me.
The reality is this shmuck is going out of his way, along with others to use fear, intimidation, abusive language, false narratives, strawman arguments and general toddler in trouser tantrums to maintain an atmosphere of mistrust misogyny and malice. Fuck off then, right? IF that's the only way you can feel warm and cozy is to support that, you do you.
Any rational, sane, intelligent person would see that the climate here is maintained to make sure that providers don't feel comfortable speaking out against these goons. Call me crazy if you want, I"m crazy good at giving head. LOL Call me a man hater, anyone who's had his dick in my mouth would be inclined to disagree.
Do I hate this kind of shit?
Yeah, but that's not about being male it's about being mean.
There are plenty of men thoroughly horrified by attitudes like this.
When sex work is legal and nobody's business, which will be soon, no one is going to have to tolerate nonsense like this anymore.
That I don't tolerate it now isn't problematic, it's progressive. This is the future. You're insuring by fostering such an antagonistic atmosphere that sites like this will be an echo chamber. Knock yourselves out. I'll be serving men who don't treat me like a criminal before they even meet me.
Don’t get me wrong - I do /not/ agree with her about deposits; I personally would NEVER pay a deposit.
But I do not think she’s BSC or a MHB or whatever; she just sees it differently. She just disagrees with us. I personally find her writing to be clear and lucid, agree with her or not.
You can white knight me all you want, but maybe we could all be a little less nasty?
(Granted, this is the Internet - home of the Flame Warriors - but geez, it doesn’t take much to dial it down a little. -sigh- I suppose I had better find a fire-retardant suit...)
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This one crazy pregnant lady wanted a deposit for her services. Yeah no, fuck giving you money before I even meet you, that's all kinds of stupid.
Yes, that's what they're called . . . . . "fuck deposits." You pay in advance for the fucking. If she doesn't show, you get an even more intense fucking.
Is when someone has no called/no showed before and wants another chance, or someone who habitually cancels appts. I think its fair in that instance, we can only afford to have so much of our time wasted.
For a long appointment like overnight or 24 hours.
If a woman is traveling to a specific city at the request of a man.
If the overall rate X hours is over $3000, It would make sense to do an electronic transfer rather than carry around that amount of cash.
I'm a one hour guy who pre-screens and books last minute. Never paid a deposit and never will.
This thread has been entertaining/educational/revealing, especially posts by miss "banned for life" whatever her name was.
but like you none of those situations are ever going to apply to me.
Speaking of "miss banned for life" can you imagine anyone witnessing her melt down thinking to themselves "Damn, I think I would like to meet her" ROFLMFAO.
I can't think of any opinion ever posted by an escort here that would matter about whether I'd see her or not.
Because I don't self-identify as an asshole and therefore whatever she likely has said, I know it wouldn't apply to me and she and I would get along famously, just like I do with 100% of the other escorts I've seen.
Also I don't have a frail ego like many of you here on this forum.
Speaking of "miss banned for life" can you imagine anyone witnessing her melt down thinking to themselves "Damn, I think I would like to meet her" ROFLMFA
There is nothing about this that is adult , mature, kind, considerate, helpful. Branding women with voices as crazy is embarrassingly immature for a grown man. There's no melt down happening. I'm just protecting my business practices against the ill will of a bunch of malignant, abusive, mean spirited loser keyboard wankers.
Not only that, but that is exactly what does happen. That's how the adults play. happy Hunting
mind-numbing, sewage-filled threads most of the time, but always keep in mind that the vocal minority on these boards is just that: a minority. They talk a lot of shit and have a lot of free time. Your target audience doesn't. Engage where it benefits you and utilize this board to your advantage, but don't let literally anything they say affect you even when it's couched as advice. They can speak from their point of view, but very rarely is their insight valuable enough or nuanced enough to be useful.
Tldr: I've been on this board for 6 years-ish and while there is information here, don't run yourself ragged listening to/arguing with folks who probably aren't listened to anywhere else. They get off on this. They aren't worth it.
xo
I didn't survive all the bullshit Ive survived to have some twisted up fucknut try to give me and my business a bad name. for no reason whatsoever. None.
I don't mind revealing my authentic self here, if the men here find that so unattractive or frightening, so be it.
AT 47, it's damn near obligatory that I resist. I couldn't stand myself if I didn't.
I have no qualms at all with the other providers who do not speak out in these forums. I know it's scary. It shouldn't be. It's some bullshit that this isn't an environment where we feel welcome to speak fully and authentically.
As a client, if you are not one of the abusers good for you. But that's not impressive to me.
Passively observing this kind of systemic abuse is even worse than the abuse. You create the conditions that allow it. You're not innocent.
What saddens me is they are actually risking nothing by being supportive in the forums on these sites, yet few are.
There is literally nothing real at stake for them, while we have so much we risk.
I mean who cares if these dudes brand you a white night? WTF does that do? Do you lose some special man privilege or are you just afraid of the abuse you'll get? It's' not fun being on the receiving end of it, I know.
They don't suck your cock.. They don't matter at all.
I think I'll start a promo
White Knight Cock Worship gratis for any client who uses his real profile name to aggressively advocate for us in the forums.
You're 47??? Shit girl you need to pay me..
You know nothing of what you speak and don't have ANY FUCKING IDEA whether the anti-deposit crowd is a majority or a minority. They sure seem like a majority here. You have made that nonsensical claim before with zero proof.
Did you actually read her posts or is this knee-jerk support of the sisterhood? My guess is no because you don't seem stupid. Before you insult folks that replied to her you might want to.
Poor advice here, her "Target audience" got to see her BSC/MHB act in real time and in her words - everybody saw her melt-down. You should have advised your new soul-mate to shut up and to stop fucking up the little business she has left. I guess that the sisterhood only goes so far.
Who wants to visit THAT?
My mom used to say "you are the company you keep".
BTW, do you require deposits and PII?
The idea that you as a guy who refuses to do deposits knows more about the subject than me, a provider who gets deposits, is HILARIOUS.
How do I know nothing of the subject? What proof do you want? Client names?! LOL. STFU. As I said, I don't read this drivel. Y'all are just as sanctimonious about "I don't do deposits", " I don't pay her to eat/sleep" as the ladies who insist their rate is for their time only. Spare me your bullshit. As I said in another thread here, reviewers and board talkers are not my target audience. If that was the case I'd have 30 reviews in the last year. The best thing I ever did was the advice I gave her. I know it hurts you to think about it and endangers your personal feeling of importance, but TER is not the end all, be all. The only reason I'm engaging with you right now is I've been sick and bored all day. YOU specifically YOU are not worth my time otherwise. And I say that knowing that if you personally contacted me for an overnight and identified yourself, I'd turn you down with literalllllllly NO hesitation. That's the place I'm coming from. So yes, I'm also a big proponent of " the company you keep" being important.
I require whatever I feel is necessary on a case-by-case basis.
Of course I am worth your time or you wouldn't have replied! A scrap kinda turns you on? Cmon, admit it . . .
Ain't nothing sanctimonious (congrats! a big word for you two!, kinda like "nuanced" LOL!) about not wanting to BE RIPPED OFF like some rube (your target audience perhaps?). Too many stories here to come to any other conclusion that deposits for the consumer here is stupid.
I didn't say I knew better, I said that YOU don't know. Don't read so gud, huh? How can you POSSIBLY know what the majority opinion is? It simply ain't possible, dumbass. The likes of you don't get to tell me what to do so I will not STFU, but thank you. Drives you nuts to be defied, eh? Or does that turn you on too? Oh, I was WRONG when I said that you didn't seem stupid - this post corrected my opinion.
You DID answer my question though - you don't ask for deposits because it will hurt your business, otherwise you would say so. Your policies are well documented.
I don't normally stoop to the level of you and your new BFF (you know the BSC/MHB lady), but I am bored too! . Nothing that you, or the other crazy chick here could say or do could possibly hurt me. You both are harmless if not dumb.
Every time the topic comes up, I will express my opinion again - as forcefully as the insipid, banal attacks on me warrant. I've been motivated now, to every chance I get, to say
"Deposits are for Chumps"
Not to worry though, I won't call, you're not my type - I see only high-end, intelligent, classy ladies.
God Bless now!
Why bother with you?
Because your standing in front of my store calling me names and telling potential clients not to see me. I have done nothing to you but counterattack against a despicable display of unwarranted public humiliation, well, an attempt at it, but hours into all this you still are on "crazy." I may be crazy but I'm a lot fucking smarter than you, Sunshine and this is your sandbox and my office and I will not stand down.
I would not tolerate this in any other career I've had I won't tolerate it here. I expect to at a minimum to be received at face value and for my work my words and and my actions to be what determines my reputation. You will not succeed in eradicating deposits. You will not succeed painting providers who use them as crazy man haters.
Left to fester on their own unabated these toxic puss filled threads erode the shreds of civic decorum we have left. They cut away at our sense of responsibility to one another. It's quite disturbing to me the degree to which this is allowed here and elsewhere. We really need to treat people better and agree to resist and reject harmful, hateful rhetoric, stereotypes, biases. They hurt people. We can continue to be smug about it and claim it's our right to say what ever we want. That's a low bar to set. You have the right to, but do you have the integrity not to?
Honestly, I kinda like her; she’s got spirit and comes out swingin’. Her TER profile and site certainly intrigue me.
That being said, I’ll probably /never/ visit CA; other side of the country and I just don’t have that kinda money. But if I were some rich, jet-setter... sure, I’d try and visit her.
Why thank you, Sir.
I love being an insatiable, multiorgasmic, squirting, trained-to-serve-cock sex kitten. That's why I'm here. My ability to be that and this doesn't diminish my appeal to quality, mature men, it magnifies it. I hope our paths do cross some day. oxox
because you are going to worship his White Knight cock for free!
exactly. He probably gets free pussy all the time. Take a page from his playbook, Sunshine.
I hear you specialty is "Psycho Bitch Sex"
For a modest up-charge!
Are losers . . .
Nice!
That's just GOT TO help with your target demographic! LOL!
I bet your phone is ringing off the hook!
You're so childish. Whack off to my chaturbate if you're lonely. I'm going on at 9 or so. Men that pay for sex with me are winners. Winning!!! No, I didn't imply anything I'm stating emphatically that you are a loser. I don't assign that attribute to all the clients just ones like you.
is like being called ugly by a frog!
So, I am childish, you are just nuts!
You really need to take your meds, then read, and be embarrassed by your posts.
There is nothing funny about your mental health situation.
No, really!
You just sound mean.
He doesn’t have 170 to fly to California? The entire trip wouldn’t cost 500..
Well, my promotion, not offered through TER for obvious reasons, is for prepaying sessions is just fine, I will likely have reached m goal to have enough to get an apartment in a couple weeks.
ya, don't forget this cruelty and violence is against an injured, homeless woman who is defending a business practice that right now means the difference between me and my cat having shelter or not. so step the fuck off!
Even with all that I still sent another $50 payment toward the deposit i owe from a cancelled session, but ya, all us hoes are the same and you can't trust us. Right.
You're just fucking dick. The homeless thing I did to myself, I assumed they couldn't evict you if you had the money and my Pollyanna ass thought my landlord of 8 years wouldn't do it. I just withheld rent and asked him to provide an address where I could send a certified lettre or come get the cash. I was trying to get him to provide an electronic form of payment because I was sick of my rent checks getting lost in the mail. So stupid I can't even stand it.
THen with the fucking neck pain that jacked several sessions I couldn't in good conscience schedule people in case it started again I am now not in pain any more ( not even a full week) and I come in here and see this fucking bullshit after building a whole promotion around prepaid sessions so I can build up enough for a deposit on an apartment. You're just a fucking dick.
I am not looking for sympathy by telling you these things, they are just simply the events in my life right now. But this monster doesn't care. Not at all. You're just a fucking dick.
And believe me it is not a waste of my time to address this crap. The more I reveal of myself the more people like and respect me. and maybe the more you'll be encouraged to shut your fucking mouth. Truth is, I will a have clients after this. If you posted your name ....LOL right. .You're just a fucking dick.
Each of us should be treated as individuals, worthy of consideration based not on broad stereotypes but our own individual conduct .
You're just a fucking dick.
I just really hope everything turns out alright for you; I hope things turn your way.
I Cant' imagine anyone witnessing this and thinking it is a melt down.
because you are VERY wrong.
just as it is important to you!
a lot of providers ask for a deposit for many reasons, especially if the client is new to them!
how does she know you are serious about seeing her if you don't give her a deposit? what if other people want to see her on the same day? who should she take more seriously? someone who is willing to give her a deposit, or someone who simply states he is interested?
i personally ask for deposits because it can take a lot of time to set up dates, as well as money to invest in a clean/discreet space to meet in.
it takes money to cover the cost of a hotel room, or to travel (whether it's across town or across state lines). it also takes money to rent my in-call space.
if my client cancels/no shows last minute, he's not only wasted my time and the money i've invested, but he's also wasted my landlord's time, as well as the time of all the other people who were hoping to use that space instead. on top of that, there are cancelation fees i would have to pay :/
if this person has a fairly big online presence, then it's pretty safe to assume she isn't trying to scam you out of money. a scam would result in her having to shut her business down. a well established provider is absolutely a safe bet!
hope this is helpful!
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Some providers steal deposits . READ the posts, it happens. It’s on a current twitter convo as well and this from a fellow SW! Once again you can not review a NCNS who runs off with a deposit. There is no or little recourse . You claim If she runs off with a deposit she Shuts her business down ? Please that’s ridiculous. No one here is saying “CHANGE YOUR POLICY “ . if it works for you great. The mast majority of the men here are simply saying deposits are not something they are comfortable with and if a provider requires one they are not considered a good match for the clients money .
thanks for the recap!
i'm not denying that some people are dishonest, i'm merely giving examples as to why some providers insist on taking deposits.
when i say "shut her business down", what I mean is that a person who intends to scam a deposit would quickly receive a bad reputation and disappear once she/he got what they needed. on the other hand, someone who is well established would be less likely to "steal" a deposit because of the inevitable damage it would do to her business.
you're right, you can't review someone who disappears like that. this is why i suggest booking a provider with a large web presence, as she's less likely to disappear.
Clients know why SW ask for deposits. No need to explain to most . and I think most are savvy enough to contact well reviewed and established providers. THat who is sometines taking the deposits when the opportunity arises. Please don’t think because the girl has reviews and a website she is insulted from making bad choices . Really ? AGAIN... Read the posts educate yourself to the issue. Go on Twitter etc. your wrong again ... they don’t disappear , they go on merrily because they can because there is no recourse . THey only sure why do not get a deposit stolen is to not give one . You can’t argue intelligently against that.
not all clients know why providers ask for deposits, and my post is directed to them.
also, i'm not trying to argue with you, i know very well how people can be dishonest.
i'm only stating that a well established provider is less likely to run a scam than someone who isn't established. just to be clear, "less likely" is supposed to imply that i'm *not* trying to say "an established provider [[never]] steals deposits" and the word scam implies that i'm speaking about a specific kind of person - a scam artist (not a provider).
sure the only way to guarantee you won't have your deposit stolen is to not give one. it's also a great way to let a sex worker know you don't value her time!
additionally, a returning client is much more valuable to your provider than a stolen deposit, which is typically only a fraction of her donation. another great reason why many providers don't steal deposits
Yeah no fuck deposits. Hookers can try and justify it all they want but at the end of the day it's an awesome way to fuck over a hobbyist by stealing his money and ignoring him afterwards. Yeah there are logical reasons why a provider shouldn't fuck a hobbyist over, but then again some do it anyway so clearly some of these girls don't care about what's logical and sensible. Fuck that, deposits are stupid, no hobbyist with a brain should ever agree to one.
I will never ever give a provider a deposit. My Whitelist should be enough, and if not, then I'll bang one of the many other providers that don't ask for a deposit and give them my money instead.
Sweet bang away! Lol
You started out with “ providers who steal deposits will have to shut their business down “ . You have since softened that stance which shows you are open to constructive dialogue. I do agree the more well established providers will enhance the ability of having no issues with deposits . Just look at a few posts above you a provider demanded a 500 deposit, she canceled , and is paying back the client dribs and drabs , it appears 50 at a time. Who wants to go through that ? Great he’s getting his deposit back ( eventually ), but again shows many ways deposits can be problematic.Your statement “women who do not get deposits think men don’t value her time.”is quizzical? How about me paying her 600 a hour isn’t that value enough.
For managing his $500.00 WTF Paying him back on installment plan. Try that with a hooker, guarantee you will hit a whole lot of DNS lists.
How did that become a thing?
Yeahi if you read my posts you would also note that I agree with you 100% that's a bullshit situation that is not my norm I typically would not spend said deposit until services are rendered. I'm not going to look it up but it's somewhere. Due to circumstances already described.
I'm not saying be a shmuck and just do whatever. Research the people you're going to give your money to, before during or after.
This gentleman took a long time to pick a provider and chose well. While he's getting it in dribs and drabs, he's also quite understanding and compassionate.
Did you mean 'pay' interest because at least that makes sense
are for chumps!
The "gentleman (who) took a long time to pick a provider and chose well" may not agree with that statement. HIS "research" was apparently ineffective. Has he repeated? If so, he makes the "chump" point for me.
Of course he is "quite understanding and compassionate", he will be until he gets HIS money back. You know, the money YOU took and spent.
And you want to lecture us?
Thanks for the ammo, sweetie! You are right, "100% that's a bullshit situation . . . . "
You're such a royal dick I had to reply and let you know that he is paid off, and was in talks with me about another trip before I was even done paying him off. Will he?
We will see but one thing I know for sure is you spend an inordinate amount of your time and talents trying to tear people down. Plain and simple that' who you are and all you offer. At least you're consistent and predictable.
Unfortunately for you, you make a great argument AGAINST ever giving a provider a deposit. I am sure most of the women on this thread who ask for deposits are reading your posts, shaking their heads, and hoping beyond hope that you would just STFU. lmao.
By your own admission a guy sent you a deposit, you SPENT it, and failed to provide a session leaving him to chase you to get his money back. Who in their right mind would ever advance you a nickel with this knowledge in hand?
That is your pissy interpretation.
I said it before but I will say it again so your shitty narrative isn't the only voice in the echo chamber that is this cesspool of idiocy, I would never NORMALLY take a deposit I couldn't hold in escrow until the work was done. That I did so and paid it back is the story,
I also ran a very successful campaign offering a promotional rate on prepaid sessions.
The world is teeming with chumps, apparently.
I don't give a fuck if there are gals who think I'm an idiot for standing up for my business, not being intimidated by a bunch of toddlers in trousers. Those wouldn't be people I'm looking to impress. Lots of women would NEVER do what I do on a lot of levels. That doesn't make me stop doing them. LOL
Lots of women won' walk alone at night, they won't eat alone in a restaurant, won't go out without makeup on, would never drive across the country alone, backpack in the winter or walk into brothels in Thailand or Amsterdam alone, climb thousand foot cliffs, speak in front of a thousand people, talk back online to misogynist bullies trying to fuck up their business model. So? SO? The ones who are in my tribe introduce themselves, the other ones watch, scared. I don't judge them, but I won't join them either.
I'm not aiming to be approved by them, but if this helps protect their business or emboldens them great. The fact that there isn't more dissension should be a dead give away that this is not a safe space for us to share.
No one here is saying “CHANGE YOUR POLICY “ .
Yes, you are saying no one should give deposits, they are a chump if they do.
Is there a difference?
The vast majority of men are not saying that. Most of them aren't saying anything, least of all coping to sending deposits.
SOME providers steal deposits but reading these posts you'd think we all do, most do and a rare few do not. THat's a gross misrepresentation.
Don't be a fool!
Easy-peasy, the VAST majority of providers don't ask for deposits and there are plenty of fabulous ladies who TRUST us! See them.
Why should we trust them if they don't trust us?
Norah Lucille doesn't ask for deposits because even she knows. deep down, that:
Deposits are for chumps!
The consensus is for the PROVIDER to not change their policy , not referring to the client. To answer your question, yes there is a difference . “ most of them aren’t saying anything “? Huh . Again, read. If you feel that “ all providers steal deposits “ that is your interpretation of the posts. I can’t advise you how to interpert what clients post . I’m glad to see that you admit that providers steal deposits. Once again if deposits work for you which I’m sure they do that is your right. As it the right of the client to not consider spending money on those that require such.Based on that I believe men are getting there dicks sucked by women who do not require deposits.
I make it a priority for reservations and sending of deposits to be simple with me.
Be sure she's reputable and you're doing something your comfortable with.
Enjoy yourself
xo, Cat
I keep it real simple. Deposit equates to a MUST SEE hooker. And that simply does not exists with me.
I ask for a deposit for a multi-hour and consider it a confirm date if it’s a session scheduled several weeks or days when booked. If a client refuses a screening doesn’t have TER, P411, or refuses a more thorough screening...I’ll ask for a deposit. If the client has a history of NCNS. I will require a deposit. Anonymity is definitely something I try to respect but I can not be hanging on the string of a promise only to be stood up.
“I can not be hanging on the string of a promise only to be stood up “ .. great strategy and clients that do not send deposit money feel the same.
I just had a client give me a deposit and I completely followed through. I am not sure why giving a deposit makes you think that the provider isn't going to show up. I mean come on. If we don't show up that looks bad on us. Then we are out a potential client that maybe great. How is this benefiting the provider to just take someone's money? If she is reputable, has a website, has different ads posted she is not going to try and screw you for a deposit. In the end she is the only one that will lose for a little bit of money. Think about it.
“ in the end she is the ONLY one that will lose for a little bit of money ?” HUH, WHAT ? How about the gent who is out the 500 deposit if she flakes NCNS etc ? No one is saying giving a deposit means she will not show up. But if she doesn’t, chances are client will have a issue on his hands .” Looks bad on you “ ?of course but the recourse from the clients point of view is limited .Can’t review. Oh, maybe go to the BBB, LOL? You you may have a potential client that may be great , but we all know SOME SW don’t need the extra clients and are banking so much the point is moot. Look here’s the reality, educate yourself, look on the posts and on twitter . SW who are all the things you have said (reputable website etc )HAVE walked off with deposits. IT HAPPENS, And more than you think . OMG there’s a post of a SW on the very thread got a 500 deposit canceled the meet and spent it , and is now paying the guy on a installment plan. So I DID think about and so have the 90% of the gents on this topic . I’m glad the deposits work out for you tho.
The payments will become erratic quickly and cease in short order.
Those on the bus ride , may very well find themselves in this situation.
Theres a certain deposit I freely leave everytime on the otherhand.
On the other hand if a hobbyist doesn't give a provider a deposit, he won't get stuck in a situation where she might ditch him and keep the money. No, she won't take a reputation hit(the guy will most likely never post about it) and even if she loses a client so what? She still has some money, and maybe she'll just tell herself she won't do it again and move on, but she keeps the money either way and the guy loses out. I can see why some providers would be ok with this, maybe they want to see some hobbyists get screwed over, like a pro-feminist "fuck the patriarchy" thing, but that doesn't help the guy out at all.
I mean, it's quite clear, we're looking to fuck, not get fucked. Any guys reading this, don't do deposits. If a hobbyist does and gets burned, well, that's on him, because he should've known better.
It’s interesting that the providers who give their opinion on the matter kinda slink away from the topic once it’s understood that deposits are a unessacary risk from a clients POV. If the deposit system works for them , may God bless.
Read an article about a provider, former porn start, who did that to another bloke.. I spoke to her and she assured me it was because of the client..well, fell for the same pennywhistle and was out over $800 USD .. kept receiving excuses why she couldn't get a date going and got offended when I asked if it was just a scam (false pride).
Would never do again... Sydnee seemed sweet but alas, not used to American gals I guess
And all three times they've worked out in my favor.
First time, not sure if this is considered a deposit since I prepaid in full (either way same principle of advancing money before appointment). I'd seen her before, and her website mentioned a $100 discount if you prepaid for a 2 + hour date. Did so through Paypal (her choice not mine) and everything worked out. I guess worst case scenario if she did run off with my money, I could do a chargeback.
Second time, I contacted a provider a month prior so I could set something up. Said she would need a deposit of half since she would be making her schedule around my appointment. I had no problem doing it since I'd seen her prior. I paid it, appointment went as planned. Venmo (her choice, not mine) but worst case scenario, I could've done a chargeback.
Third time, provider whom I'd never met was traveling 140 miles to see me. Requested a deposit of half. She had great reviews so I did it through Venmo (her choice). She was late due to traffic (an hour I think), thankfully my post appointment plans were pretty flexible.
Personally, you've never met the provider, and you don't have her phone number. Unless she's traveling to see you, this is a longer date, or you're getting some sort of discount for a deposit, I probably wouldn't pay.
I don't see the need for a deposit for a one hour session. When you get into multiple hours or overnights, I understand.
Kind of a Catch-22 for the provider. I wouldn't pay a deposit for a short session or for an extended session with a new provider. If we had dated before, then I would pay a deposit because why would I? She should be trustworthy and she knows me, so why ask? Guys aren't all noble, nor are women. So you start playing the percentages.