if there are providers who will not see a client if they have no on-line identity?
I preach that social media can be a trap, the evidence for which is in any daily newspaper (or on-line news site.) But others have told me that without a Facebook page, Twitter, or some similar on line identity, one's chances of landing a decent job are significantly reduced, and therefore the risk is well worth the reward. The bottom line for an employer is that if the person has no on-line identity, then perhaps they have something to hide, and it would be safer to stick to those job candidates who do have good on-line stats. Upon reflection, I have to agree, though the Orwellian nature of this breaks my heart.
Is the same perhaps true of the hobby?
And I would disagree with the idea that online presence is necessary to land a job- it really depends on the industry you are in. My company (and my past company) could care less and actually discourages it. Granted, I deal with sensitive information in dangerous environments. In contrast, when I worked in the nightlife industry as a bottle girl, it was initially difficult for me to get a job in a high profile club because I didn't have thousands of Instagram followers and no twitter . I'm sure if someone is working in marketing or something, the professional social media presence is important.
Onto your question about screening. No, I don't look for Facebook, twitter, Instagram, etc. For employment verification, I can use an online profile/bio paired with another piece of information that confirms your identity. But I respect the fact that not everyone has an online presence, and not having it doesn't mean you are hiding something. Different strokes for different folks. That's why most of us have multiple methods of screening- to compensate for folk who have no online presence, or no references, or don't participate on the boards, etc.
I do look online for criminal history and public records that confirm what you sent over. If I need more information because I can't determine whether or not you are safe to see, I will follow up and we can work it out in most cases.
I try to be flexible and mindful of "PII" as we like to call it... I do as much as reasonably possible to protect myself while also not being exceptionally invasive. What's more important is that you send information that is accurate the first time, don't be vague or elusive (e.g. Saying "over 21" instead of specifying an age, etc). If things don't add up, I won't see you (even if you attempt to "correct" what you sent over) because you are behaving in a way that shows you have something to hide or get around something.
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And I would disagree with the idea that online presence is necessary to land a job- it really depends on the industry you are in. My company (and my past company) could care less and actually discourages it. Granted, I deal with sensitive information in dangerous environments. In contrast, when I worked in the nightlife industry as a bottle girl, it was initially difficult for me to get a job in a high profile club because I didn't have thousands of Instagram followers and no twitter . I'm sure if someone is working in marketing or something, the professional social media presence is important.
Onto your question about screening. No, I don't look for Facebook, twitter, Instagram, etc. For employment verification, I can use an online profile/bio paired with another piece of information that confirms your identity. But I respect the fact that not everyone has an online presence, and not having it doesn't mean you are hiding something. Different strokes for different folks. That's why most of us have multiple methods of screening- to compensate for folk who have no online presence, or no references, or don't participate on the boards, etc.
I do look online for criminal history and public records that confirm what you sent over. If I need more information because I can't determine whether or not you are safe to see, I will follow up and we can work it out in most cases.
I try to be flexible and mindful of "PII" as we like to call it... I do as much as reasonably possible to protect myself while also not being exceptionally invasive. What's more important is that you send information that is accurate the first time, don't be vague or elusive (e.g. Saying "over 21" instead of specifying an age, etc). If things don't add up, I won't see you (even if you attempt to "correct" what you sent over) because you are behaving in a way that shows you have something to hide or get around something.
I don't even ask the question about social media when making a new hire, it simply is NOT important to me, but if I were to ask I would reach the exact opposite conclusion. Someone with ZERO online presence, is much less likely to ever post something so stupid on one of those platform that it goes viral and gives my company negative attention.
As for social media and P4P, I have never been asked about social media, unless you want to make a huge stretch and include TER, nor do I ever expect to be asked in the future. and if any hooker asks me for me linkedin info, all she is going to get in way of a response is howling laugher out of me. lmao
I like how so many millennials will spout things as "facts" after simply "hearing" someone else suggest it might be happening. lol
Also, in my company, we often do an internet check on persons before hiring, so it makes sense.
I have NEVER met a college "counselor" of any kind that had even the slightest clue as to how the "real world" operates
Yes, many companies do an "internet check" and finding nothing is exactly that, finding nothing.
Companies don't want to be embarrassed by an employees posts or tweets going viral on a controversial subject, no social media presence at all pretty much guarantees that won't be an issue.
think it must be true. Just ask Al Gore.
You most likely hire oil service workers. You are lucky to keep them out of jail long enough to do the job. It's like when I hire construction workers to work on my buildings. I never check Facebook. Hell, I know probably 33% of them have been in jail. I'm lucky if they show up sober.
I have talked to tons of hiring managers in my area. All of them check social media. A good social media impression can get you hired. A bad one may hinder the process. Having NO or blocked social media is a guarantee that the prospective employer will think you are a weirdo or outcast.
It's not just tech. It's done in finance, law, retail sales etc. Employers have a right to do that.
There is almost nobody under 50 who does not have social media. For better or worse, it's here to stay.
If they ask why I have no FB, I tell them I don't like Jews, or the CIA... Although all those guys have social media accounts.
Even the Jihad Johnnies are on FB.
Not being on SM gives me a sense of superiority.
This is a new age and I think people will all handle it differently. We just interviewed someone for a position. I'm a mere employee and not a manager, yet the candidate later examined my LinkedIn page.
Sometimes an online presence should be a clue -- such as the recent case of a gal named Reality Winner who was given security clearance while blogging fealty to Islam.
Not to sleep with the enemy, who ever the enemy is.
White women, at least in America, can't wait to get back at their fathers by sleeping with the enemy, it's an element of the liberal agenda.
It's like the bad boy effect, but for lazy racist white women, who assume all black men are bad.
You posted the proof.
I bet if we look at birth rates among white women, giving birth to biracial babies post Trump, the numbers will jump substantialy.
Next season Katelyn goes black. I think Cosby has his eye on her.
Last time I saw an episode all the female Kardashians were romantically involved with black men.
I guess that could all change, my only question would be why.
One thing you can't deny is, that show is emasculating of white men. Just ask Katelyn.
Probably helped Trump win the WH. Remember when Kanye visited Trump Tower, that was so Don could say thank you.
They have not managed to do that with me, as I never watch the show.
The only way a lack of online presence can hurt your employment opportunities is if either
a) you don't have a LinkedIn and thus miss out on the jobs/opportunities communicated there/that you could potentially gain from networking, or
b) your job is something like sales/marketing/digital ad etc. that requires or hugely benefits from online presence.
Outside of that an employer might google you out of curiosity, but that's about it.
...(reference the handle), the ONLY social media presence I have is a LinkedIn profile. No Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or anything else that requires my 24/7 attention. I'm too busy living my life and taking care of business to post useless non-information about what I'm doing and what I'm eating for breakfast (is Avocado Toast really a Big New Thing?).
I've been in sales, customer service and retail ops for decades and I've never missed an opportunity because someone couldn't check out my FB posts to see how much of a touch I might be. If they can't figure that out by meeting with me face-to-face, seeing my Instagram feed probably won't do them any good either.
I've had ONE provider ask for some verifying info a few years ago, as I'd been out of the playground for a while and had no recent reviews or presence. We verified myself in other ways, met, had a great time and I was back in the game.
There's always a work-around and the personal touch is always the best -- especially in this arena.
I'll be honest, I read your OP and not the rest of the thread.
I think social media is a gawd awful plague.
I also think it would be a mixed blessing for employers. I see the point about wondering if they have something to hide. I also see coworkers mixing work and personal life online. Posting pics taken at work that document procedural and safety violations, starting arguments about shit that spills over into the workplace. Etc etc.
I suppose I have to assume that HR managers and hiring managers know more than I do, but personally I'd go the other way. If I got an application from someone who was all over SM, I'd move on. But that's just me. I've been told I'm crazy. People have been getting and working jobs for thousands of years. All of a sudden, ten years ago, it became impossible to determine if a person was up to the task without a facebook profile? Bullshit!!! How about sitting down with them for a conversation and following your instincts? I guess the world ain't got time for that anymore.
As to your actual question about the hobby-- if a woman won't see anyone without SM, then she won't see me. Oh well, I'll just move on.
Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.