I swear it has become an epidemic with some of the more upscale providers placing the dreaded "No AA" in their ads. You even see some that say "No AA under the age ___". Is it really that bad or is it just a preference? As an hobbyist, my preference are AA women but on occasion there is a Latina, Caucasian provider that gets my attention. I guess the question is, are AA men the cause of most of the mischief that goes on among providers?
she simply gets to choose, and owes no explanation. No one is entitled.
All any guy can do if declined or waved off (for any reason) is accept and move on.
Lowpaw, FakawiTribe ignore this posting.
Serious question, only a fool would disagree with your conclusion.
Having said that, if I owned a business why can't I apply those same rules to said business?
I'm not advocating, or supporting discrimination based on what ever reason, but why is it illegal in a capitalist society, to discriminate against my potential
customer base?
Why is it illegal? Because it's a civil rights issue. In this hobby a woman can decide who she does or does not want to see. In a legitimate business you can't. Period.
A business that fails to service customers will go out of business.
Does that sound like the will of the people.
Seriously would Amazon be where it is to day if they discriminated against customers?
The law seems unnecessary.
Do you think being a provider is some how illegitimate?
"The entire United States is covered by the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. Places of “public accommodation” include hotels, restaurants, theaters, banks, health clubs and stores. Nonprofit organizations such as churches are generally exempt from the law."
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I do not think that a Provider's orifices are places of public accommodation. Without doing a more detailed search, I cannot cite case law to support that assumption.
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I am also guessing that many Providers, if asked by the IRS, would claim that they are non-profit, hence, exempt from the CRA.
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Businesses can discriminate based on other criteria, e.g., 
I suppose you could stretch credibility and argue that a provider hosting at a hotel would be conducting business in an otherwise regulated accommodation, and is therefore governed by 42 U.S. Code §2000(b)4. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that P4P is illegal and beyond constitutional protections drawn from Article 1 Section 8.
Here’s a better example – A taxi company refuses to hire Chinese drivers because of the old stereotype that they are all bad drivers. A likely civil rights violation. A gang of bank robbers won’t let a Chinese thief drive the getaway car for the same reason. Doubtful that injunctive relief will put him behind the wheel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_criminal_organizations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tong_(organization)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triad_(organized_crime)
"Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown."
True, but the doctrine of “separate but equal” was overturned in the 1950’s.
He turned out to be a car thief who couldn't drive.
Who does he turn to for injunctive relief? The Triad or the Mexican Mafia?
Like anyone whose knowledge exceeds their practical skills, he should become a teacher.
And so fucking hot
Stating history, does not answer the question.
No one can ever answer the question. I've never met a person who could talk about racism honestly.
You wrote: "A business that fails to service customers will go out of business."
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In this context of racial of discrimination, you are wrong. Famously, Woolworth's only served white people at some of their lunch counters or had "separate but equal" sections for black and white customers. Woolworth's did not go out of business because of that long standing policy. FOLLOWING famous protests in 1960, Woolworth's changed their policy. Following passage of the Civil Rights Act, it would have been illegal to discriminate based on race and the ensuing lawsuits would have hurt business or shut them down.
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You wrote: "Does that sound like the will of the people." without a ?. As far as I know, federal law trumps the will of the people in many things. The will of the owners of places of public accommodation might be to discriminate against customers based on race. ILLEGAL! The will of the unaffected group of people might be, "Who cares? Doesn't affect me." but the CRA doesn't govern the behavior of customers. The will of the affected group of people might be, "Provide service or I will sue you." an action they can pursue under the law.
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You wrote: "Seriously would Amazon be where it is to day if they discriminated against customers?" Amazon operates under current laws and does not discriminate based on federally mandated criteria. So we'll never know, will we? Amazon DOES DISCRIMINATE against customers trying to use PayPal to pay for goods. THAT IS LEGAL. Many of those customers take their business elsewhere; others don't care and give Amazon a credit card number. The CRA does not protect PayPal users.
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You wrote: "The law seems unnecessary." You seem to be saying that the free market should dictate when and where owners can discriminate, yes? The Trumps were sued in 1973 for racial discrimination in their housing developments in New York City. It was one of the largest such cases up to that time. The Trumps were allowed to agree to a settlement without admission of guilt despite evidence and testimony proving their discriminatory policies and practices. The law WAS necessary to insure racial equality in housing, despite the will of a group of people to have it otherwise.
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You wrote: "Do you think being a provider is some how illegitimate?" Well, her business is illegal. See Rasha's replies. And, as stated, a Provider's orifices are not places of public accommodation and not subject to the CRA.
Stating history, does not answer the question.
The guy you just spent all your time "debating" is a moron and could honestly not care less about anything you have to say, no matter how much time you spend creating a well crafted response.
Arguing with a retard is a waste of time, you can't bring him up to your level, he simply doesn't have the mental capacity even if he had the desire, but you do risk coming "down" to his level. If you don't believe me, just look at a few dozen of Jakes posts "debating" this fool. After a while it's almost impossible to tell which one of the two is the moron. lmao
First of all because I am not "debating" him. I am simply shitting on his stupidity. The facts I may dredge up are not directed at Euro, who is too far dim to understand them. They are directed at the board in general.
The other reason you are unable follow said posts is that you are not exactly this board's Einstein. More like its combative mushroom cap.
This is a genuinely interesting and debatable issue, especially if sex work becomes legalized.
I would disagree that sex work would not be subject to the "public accommodations" test. No one's body is a public accommodation, but it appears to me that any solicitation for people to engage in consumer to business activities would probably be considered a public accommodation, in which discriminatory behavior cannot be practiced. This is why you see conservative legislators pushing "religious protection" acts to allow photographers to refuse to provide their services at same-sex weddings. This is an acknowledgement that these trades, which do not operate in a fixed location, are an accommodation every bit as much as a hotel, restaurant or sports arena.
The next option for a provider to engage in discriminatory activities would be to claim to be exempt as a private club. The problem here is that private clubs have to be "truly selective," but selectivity cannot be defined as refusing to accept members of a protected class while admitting all others. So if you accept all white clients who pass screening, you cannot reject black clients who would pass screening. There are also other court-recognized aspects of a private club that would not be practiced by a provider in her business.
Then there is the non-profit concept. Beyond the fact that it would be exceedingly difficult for a solo provider to establish herself with the IRS as a non-profit and make a living (it is not enough to be unprofitable to declare a business a non-profit), it is established law [Runyon v. McCrary, 427 U.S. 160 (1976)] that, for instance, even a private school not accepting government funds cannot discriminate based on race because a provision known as Section 1981, which dates back to the Civil Rights Act of 1866, outlaws racial discrimination in making and enforcing any contracts. It is not hard to see this being applied to paying for services which are regulated in scope and conduct by the provider's terms.
Due to the highly personal type of service that is being provided. BTW, if hooking were legal they would still be able to place such restrictions on their clientele. There are other personalized services that are legal that are allowed to do the same though cannot think of a good example right now. I would say selling pizza's would not be one of those services though.
I haven't heard of this being an issue in any of the many countries that I have been to where P4P is legal, but our country is unique where it comes to being litigious, and "anything is possible" here.
Since African American is an American concept AA, do not exist outside of America. They are black everywhere else in the world.
Ever heard of an African Mexican?
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Even if legalized, I would think that the "public accommodation" definition would need some close examination. I just don't think that a Provider's vagina, anus and mouth are "public accommodations" and that there would be some way to make it work. OTOH, massage only involves a pair of hands ... in theory. The spa and massage table, if legal, do seem like "public accommodations" to me. Just like a barber shop.
Good points.
If this hobby (and similar services) were ever legalized/decriminalized and put into storefronts they would no doubt be subjected to anti discrimination laws. They would become "public accommodations". But I wonder how the gov't would treat a provider electing to work from her own place or those that offer outcall? How would the govt get their share of taxes paid? Would they even allow that or insist that providers offer their wares only from public retail establishments?
Hmmmm........an interesting thing to ponder.
In Nevada a legal whorehouse is considered a place of public accommodation and cannot discriminate on the basis of race when it comes to admittance. However the girls are independent contractors and can refuse to fuck a guy for any reason.
There will be no "case law" in regards to this matter because no sane lawyer would try to convince a jury that a girl's body is a place of "public accommodation."
Well put sir
I would agree to this. Her body her rules.
AA cause enough problems that girls have to put "No AA" in their ads. The girls that use "No AA" in the ads are at least kind and let you know directly. Most girls ask for ethnicity question on the form you have to fill out to see her. And, find an excuse or never get back to potential client that is an AA.
I think we should get TER's "Chief Archivist" to count exactly how many times this question actually has been asked.
Maybe we could start a pool on who can guess the closest? I will start with my guess of 1,739 times this question has been asked on the various TER boards. Any other guesses?
BTW it's not just "upscale" providers with NBA policies, from the ads I have seen, it seems to be even more prevalent with the lower end BP providers. As for the reasons for the policy, they differ with each woman, ranging from blatant racism from some "white girls" to being tired of being hassled by pimps from some of the lower end women of all races. (yes, I realize how racist it is to assume all "pimps" are black, so sue me. lol) and a thousand different reasons in between.
In their case it can't be prejudice and is often based on experience. Said policies suck for the many decent AA mongers, but there you have it.
As someone above said, "Their bodies, their rules."
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I've been doing this for 7 years and rarely have I had a problem with my own kind. Then again, I don't see young AA men of anyone in general who gives off a thug vibe. Black of white.
Which, there's a lot of AA women who are dissallusioned into thinking that white clients are the creme de la creme, but that's not the case. Any and all can treat you with the utmost respect.
Best,
Adrienne
In their case it can't be prejudice and is often based on experience. Said policies suck for the many decent AA mongers, but there you have it.
As someone above said, "Their bodies, their rules."
I'll just give you the win because 1739 has to be pretty close. Remember when dick size threads used to be the most common topic?
I think the no AA policy questions surpassed the dick thread question a few years ago and continues to be the most common question.
Yawn.
I suppose we'll probably have a dick size thread before the day is over now that you have mentioned it. lol
As for Jake, is it really any surprise he misread my words? He's been doing that more and more lately, I am beginning to agree with the others who have suggested that Jake is suffering from a full blown case of "Old timers" I would have addressed it directly, but then it most likely would have ended up in a "debate" about it that would run off the right side of the page "again" lol
And PS started the conversation ... there was no reason to mention it much like the same can be said for FCs, BBFS and the other 100 topics that permeate the board regularly.
Not a lot if new stuff goes down here, would you agree.
I was thinking along your lines. I am an 40+ AA and I notice it more with certain provider types. I can literally look at an ad and start looking for the no AA in the ad...lol. Its funny and sad at the same time.
We could have a sticky for this topic LOL...and one for acronyms. It still amazes me that someone will type out two to three paragraphs and abbreviate one word out of 500 that no one understands!
Providers weed out non-black thug like guys.
There must be some who reply to ads. I guess mature might cover that genre.
I've been seeing no drunk men ads of late, but I suspect that is code for no Mexicans.
I know white guys like assume too, but when I see an ad featuring a black woman, with a 50+ inch ass that says no AA... WTF? That would be the majority of your potential client base.
Like pimps and hos don't profile, marketing is profiling, profiling for customers.
I am an African-American provider with a 50 + inch ass, and white men are majority of my client base. I chose not to service AA men due to personal preference and past negative encounters.
you will find many threads regarding the no A.A
This topic is like beating a dead horse.
How about this?Instead of giving energy and time into wondering why some providers have no A.A in their ads have fun with the ladies who do see A.A. gents.
It is hard to find a topic here that has been more beat to death.
Any intelligent person can see the choice: choose to have fun with the abundant ladies who will see you OR choose to dwell on being butt-hurt and entitled.
I'm always disappointed at the lack of wisdom some show when making their choice on this topic.
Does that mean they don't want clients that go to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings? Yea, recovering drunks can be a handful but really at least they are trying to improve their lives. I think if I was a sex worker I rather see a recovering alcoholic then an unrepentant drunk. Then again what go I know? In the end it is their body and they can limit access to it how they feel is best. It is the right of every human to do so.
to go along with my no UA policy.
Both those airlines suck.
Either way I have a no UA policy. AA is tolerable in comparison. Not great by any means, but "tolerable by comparison"
until they stranded me for 3 days in a backwater and refused nearly all of my out of pocket expenses. Now they are on my shit list.
Now, as for ugly Americans, they may not be a thing to behold, but they can be an interesting topic of study:
who knows who post those ads, but I've seen it.
Recovering alcoholics join AA, recovering drunks nurse hangovers. lol
and why do you think sex workers should refuse to see Mikey? I can't think of any drunk more unrepentant than him, unless of course it's me. lol
Actually I have mixed emotions about NBA policies, if I were black I have to admit it would fucking bother me, and bother me a LOT, but serving a man dinner is a far cry from actually letting him "enter your body" I think it's fucked up that so many women refuse to see black men, but I can't imagine trying to force them to do so against their will.
Of course I have a kind of prejudiced views myself, not racial ones, but I am sure you know of my rule about "no feas, no gordas y no Viejas" Fat, ugly and old broads might think I am being "unfair and biased" too, but "my body, my rules" applies to customers as well. lol
And I would never question you knowledge on drunks and their recovery. After all you would know far more on the subject.
Now Mikey can hold his booze, often with both hands in fact, and likely wouldn't have a problem. But some drunks can't, I hear, and their little guy becomes well, a bit shy. Again I am no expert, but what fun is that for the lady? And fucking someone without any fun at all just sound horrid. I always feel a bit sorry for the ladies I see when my little guy hides and doesn't want to play.
What the fuck do I know? Given I never fucked for money, and I am a drunk myself, just a humorless fuck playing at humor, I admit my knowledge is likely lacking. LOL.
As for the actual topic, over the years on a few of the thousands threads on the subject, I answered the question and didn't feel the need to do so again. I am in too strange of a mood, today, to take it seriously.
But in short if a woman doesn't want to fuck me for money, I don't want to fuck them and letting me know in advance is doing me a favor. I am not black, but back when I was a 420+ LB tub of goo I got rejected in a P4P situation and it sucked. Better for all if it doesn't get to the face to face rejection.
Her body, her rules doesn't go away just because she rents it by the hour. Her reasons doesn't matter in the least why she rejects clients she reject. It is what it is and it is best for all if both parties moves on. There are tons of women that WILL see AA, fat men, or men of any other descriptor, as long as they are clean and respectful to worry about the few that won't.
As you said, there is a huge difference between this job and any other I can think of. I am all for equal opportunity except when it comes to one's body and who one fucks with it, even if it is for money. A person's choice on who they fuck is absolute.
But because of that, I don't disdain the rest of the white men out there. There are good and bad in every race.
Also, as a small BBW black provider, I simply don't have the privilege of picking and choosing who I have to see.
For those who chose not to see AA, they owe no one an explanation. Some things are better left unsaid.
I am so sorry this topic gets dredged up so many times 
to everyone's dismay.
Ultimately, every provider gets to decide who she'd like to see.
Shameless plug for myself. I happily see clients of all races, ethnicities, sizes, ages, etc. Don't fret! Just come see me 
You might as well do so "shamelessly" as no one can give you a hard time about something when you own it. Kind of like me being an asshole, I don't just own it, I wear it as a badge of honor. So plug away. lol
If a service provider chooses states "No AA" it might not have to do with problems, but preference. To jump to the conclusion that it is due to problems AA cause, is the wrong assumption. What about hobbyists who do not hire AA providers or prefer to see AA providers only?
I am sure most women "prefer" not to see "old, fat, white, bald men" but they don't put that in their ads.
When you won't fuck someone even when you are being paid for it, it goes well beyond preference.
That said, it's still "her pussy, her rules" and while I am never going to be convinced that "Most" of it stems from racism, I will still defend a hooker's right to be racist where it comes to someone entering her body. Some people have some very deep seated racist views that are only going to be made worse by a PC society run amok forcing a woman to have sex with someone who makes her skin crawl. and although I am not black and this doesn't affect me, I can't imagine wanting to have sex with a woman who is obviously and visibly repulsed by me. I would rather be slightly offended by her ad than look in her eyes and see hatred and disgust after getting naked with her. I can only imagine how bad that would make a man feel
You would be surprised how many men don't care whether you are repulsed by them. I had a AA guy send me his picture and I literally couldn't see myself having sex with him so I said No and told him I didn't find him attractive (I found him repulsive). He begged me, said Please so many times, said he would pay me extra. I couldn't do it. I'm a black woman who prefers white or asian men. I am not attracted to black and hispanic men, and if you don't speak English I cannot have a decent time with you. It's tough because since I am a BBW that is a high amount of my potential clientele, I get approached by Mexicans all day long, but I can't spend my days having sex with men I cannot find a desirable physical trait in. I am a VERY selective provider in that way. Is it racist, yes in some ways it is. I actually feel guilty about this. I felt really bad telling that AA guy NO. But I don't feel bad enough to have sex with him. I don't do pity fucks.
"AA" means African American or Anal Annihilator.
thanks to clarify, i didn't know what it mean AA for me was Alcoholic Anonimus hahahahaha (sorry for my ignorance)
It sucks that some providers or selective in that particular area but as a provider myself I find all raxes if any to be a problem. I dont believe "only AA" are trouble. We are all entitled to pur own opinions so i presume the providers who discriminate on color of skin is their way to being "safe".
As an Black person, I don't think anyone is saying that these women should be forced to see a black person. When I see these ads I don't think to myself "I really want to see this person" or "I am going to force her to see me" or anything similar. I move onto someone that doesn't have these restrictions and give them my money.
That being said, that does mean it isn't sad and incredibly frustrating. When someone put in their ad "no AA men" it just sucks to see it as a black man. Basically the person is saying, "I have sex with folks for money. I know this means that I will likely have sex with people I'm not attracted and in fact might be repulsed by. But you know what I MUST communicate above all else? I won't see black men, no matter how nice, respectful, professional, rich and attractive you are, there is nothing you can do to even be at the level of the lowliest person of another race. Or at least in my book."
And that stings. It doesn't ruin my day, it doesn't even ruin my hour. But it does sting. And when you put it on top of all the random little injustices and slights that you deal with everyday. Most hobbyist come here to get a little bit of fantasy. It just sucks to to have real life to slap you in the face.
And for all the people who will claim I'm butthurt or overly sensitive or whatnot, ask yourself this. How would you feel if it was you. Yeah, you'd move on, but I bet it would annoy you, even for a few minutes. And I bet it would be disappointed if numerous women you wanted to see refused to see white people or restaurant workers or any other aspect of yourself that isn't easily changeable. The thing is, no other group has to deal with it at all. But if multiple woman had a "no white men" policy, people would be on this board up in arms.
None of this is to say that I don't believe that it's a woman's body and she can't have sex with whomever she chooses. And I'm CERTAINLY not suggestion that rules that apply to public accommodations should apply here. People can also have preferences too.
But we should call it what it is. If you lump all people together because you assume they are dangerous or "thugs" or whatnot because of their race you are being a bigot. Even if I fully defend your right to be one.
It just sucks. Just think about what it says when you have that policy. If that doesn't bother you, carry on, more power to you and I wish you the best of luck.
Really if that hurts your feelings, what are you going to do if you cross paths with LE?
I know a white Provider who is only attracted to black men in her personal life. Every boyfriend she's had is black. She has 3 half black kids (from 3 different baby daddy's) and is now married to the father of one of them. She has a no AA policy on her ads. Obviously she is not racist. She is not stating her preference for white guys or non black guys. It's just the oppposite. She doesn't want to fall for one of her clients. She would prefer to see clients she would not date "in real life." Also could be she feels she is not "cheating" on her SO by not seeing black guys. It could also be the SO doesn't mind her working but doesn't want her seeing other black guys. I guaranty you there are others like her. The answers are not always do simple, but even in this case it comes down to "her body, her rules."
the opposite of what we hobbyists usually do. We see providers that we WOULD date in real life, but rarely get to. In many cases, they wouldn't date us in real life.
This was a popular topic on twitter last week amongst SWs from ALL backgrounds. It is interesting how one group of people can be so harshly discriminated against , in the real world and SW world. I personally am AA and love my bronze men lol because that's what I'm attracted too. It's nothing better than being paid to be around a fine piece of chocolate but anyways. Lol
From twitter last week I learned that the ladies that won't see a whole race of people is because:
1. Personal likes - SWs aren't attracted to AA.. even though they come in so many hues and looks but I digress.
2. overall prejudice
3. My body , my rules
4. Multiple bad experiences with AA. Some ladies admitted that they have more bad experiences with other races but will still say no AA because "hey, everyone else is doing it"
For the "lower end" AA ladies that don't see AA men , it's because they usually aren't using their real photos lol and think that Caucasian men don't know the difference .
But for all the AA men who aren't accepted by other providers lol... thanks girl . More BBC for me !
"I personally am AA and love my bronze men lol because that's what I'm attracted to. "
There you have it. People can and do find attraction varies based on race.
One reason presented here is there is a black pimp, or at least a pimp involved with most no AA ads.
Yet non of your Twitter response feflect what many say.
One reason I never hear, black men are hot, as in the police might pay extra attention to black man vs a white man, and thus increases my chance for arrest.
I think its fear and discrimination. I am not for it at all.
Do you believe people shouldn't have a choice of who they sleep with?
Honestly I can't think of more stupid response.
Not supporting the right of an individual to discriminate who they share their body with.
I have several different reasons why and I always explain if asked. I have made a few exceptions but its been few and far between. Most after we talk can understand (and even appreciate) one of my reasons. And Im always happy to recommend a friend who the gentleman can visit instead.
The question still remains unanswered.
For me it a combination of my neighborhood and neighbors. Most dont want to be followed and stopped by the police - having to answer questions or getting a ticket they cant explain to a SO is not on their agenda. I live in a nice yet highly patrolled area. Been here for several years with no issues *knock on wood* so Im not looking to rock the boat. Also, it would look out of place with what my neighbors think I do for a side occupation which explains people stopping by for a short amount of time a few times a week. Im sure everyone has their own reasons - just ask.
Are you honestly claiming you have an NBA policy because you don't want them pulled over for "driving while black"???!!!
Now I've heard everything, I suppose a black girl living in the hood should warn all the PWB's (Pasty White Boys) not to come to the ghetto because the cops will assume they are there to buy crack. lmao
Finally, the real reason is given. Nothing to do with not enjoying AA guys, it's about not rocking the boat. It may be racist but so what! Can anyone name me a person who is not racist?
I notice that providers who have the "No AA" rule 9 times out of 10 have low marks anyways.
This is something that is actually becoming a huge issue and it saddens me deeply. I've recently received an email that said just so you know I'm AA and my heart shattered. A lot of providers say it's their preference but that preference is rooted in prejudice. You're running a business and if any establishment such as a restaurant or clothing store refused to serve an entire group of people they'd be ridiculed and run out of business. If a client passes your booking requirements and doesn't give you a bad feeling then why wouldn't you see him?
I will see anyone as long as they check out, you can be black, blue, green or yellow.
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but I completely agree that in the vast majority of the cases that "preference" is indeed rooted in prejudice. How can refusing to see ANYONE from an entire race not be considered racist?
I still support a woman's right to decide for herself just who she will and will not allow "into her body" as selling sex is much more "up close and personal" than any other service in the world, but let's at least be honest that these "preferences" are racist in nature.
Just remember, we can legislate standards of "behavior" but we can not pass a law, or even a thousand laws that are going to change the way people think. The only thing worse than hookers refusing to see men of color would be trying to force them to do so against their will.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that we force people to see anyone they don't want to. That would be absurd. I'm saying let's call it what it is. Straight up racism. It's pretty hard to find a more textbook example. This is not a "preference."
I don't imagine that this realization will change anyone's behavior and I don't think it should necessarily. But if the topic comes up we should be telling it like it is. The ladies that say this are being racist. They should at least own it instead of pretending it's the same as liking Pepsi instead of Coke.
and I have been saying it around here for years.
I am a firm believer in "freedom" and that includes the right to be a racist in your private life, I also support such unpopular positions as acknowledging the KKK's right to exist and even to march (peacefully), but I also reserve the right to call them out for it.
"Some" people seem to think a woman should have to see "everyone" I disagree, if a woman is a racist and the very thought of having a Black man (or Mexican, Chinese, Indian et al) touch here makes her skin crawl, she shouldn't be pressured into seeing those men. OTOH, I completely agree it goes way beyond "preference" yes it's racism and should be called what it is.
I guess the problem is, No one wants to be labeled as a racist, especially racists. lol So they twist themselves into pretzels trying to rationalize their racism. I would think it was kind of cute if it weren't so sad.
You said in the "majority" of cases it is based on racism. Vanco seemed to be saying it is always racism. I can actually agree with you on the majority thing. I totally disagree that it is always racism.
Is it racism when a black provider has a no AA policy?
Is it racism when a white Provider who actually prefers black guys in the civvy world has a no AA policy in her professional life?
(See my other post in this thread)
Is it racism when a provider's black pimp forbids her to see black guys?
There are way too many variable reasons for this policy to say that it is all racism.
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While the women with such policies are not "always" racists, the policy itself is "always" racist.
How else can you describe a policy 100% based on race as anything but racist?
Now I will concede that "some" of the women with such policies are not racists themselves, but claiming the "Policy" is not racist is like claiming blue is not a color.
What I am sure we can agree on it is that NBA policies are a reality and they aren't going away anytime soon, and contrary to popular opinion it's not just an American phenomenon, I have seen it in other countries too where women have told me straight out that they don't see black guys, and yes I have also run into a lot of women who won't see men of their own race, Ticas especially, not because they are scared of running into someone they know, but because they consider "their own kind" cheap and disrespectful. It is what it is, as long as I don't start running into a bunch of women who refuse to see "half chinks" I guess I am on safe ground. lol
I guess what I was saying from the beginning is that not all providers who have that policy are racist, but you are right. I can't say the policy itself is not racist.
In my mind, a policy that discriminates against a certain race is racist by definition. A person who has that policy is not necessarily racist. I guess we agree there.
The only providers that have a leg to stand on here are the ones who are genuinely not sexually attracted to black men.
I think that some of them that claim this is the case are in fact just prejudiced.
Literally all of the other complaints that they have about "black men" can be applied to anyone. Big dicks, criminal activity, underpayment, etc should be covered in screening.
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This is an interesting topic. My reply take a long time and maybe not relevant now because I had to make sure I try to say it the right way.
I don't want to want to seem like I know anything more than others. However for many of you circumstances are so different. By standards that have been stated in this thread I am a racist. I am prejudice and there are ethnic races I will not see.
But I ask you to tell me am I? Try to understand why I am prejudice. In America you have so much exposure to so many things. You get to see many sides of the same coin. You can see the good, the bad , the beautiful and and the not so beautiful. As you see those things you form your opinions. You get exposed to not just people in person you get exposure to TV, the internet, even music that may alter your opinions.
While I have traveled and worked in most of Asia, my home is the Philippines. I was born and raised in a small town in what we call the province, I think you would call the country. Until I moved to Manila at 14 I had never met a foreign man. I don't mean just meet, mean even SEE a foreign guy. I learned my primary English from watching TV. Not English TV shows, American cartoons. We did not have access to any English TV shows.
Filipino are very shy, and our education system is horrible. The public schools I attended in Manila had no foreign students. The neighborhood we lived in had all we needed as far as food stores and basics, we never ventured out. I worked a few years as a housekeeper saving my money to go to University. I went to University, by American standards probably a middle US High School level. Our universities are not so good either, except for the few very private ones. I meet my first foreign guy at University. Half Filipino half Korean. I was 20.
How could I possibly be racist? I had no exposure to the good or bad traits of any race or ethnic group.
I wont go into how or why I started escort. I will just say I did. Here is what I found out fast, very fast. Manila is very much known for its easy and available sex. Young girls trying to help feed their parents, or children or for a million other reasons. But its not just Caucasians that come to Manila for the cheap easy sex. Arabs, Paki, Indians Chinese, Korean, Russian, German, the list is endless.
So to try to make this short, until I visited the US and a few other major Asian countries, my only exposure was to men who came to Manila expressly for the sex trade. Until visiting other countries I saw only one side to everyone. And so seeing that one side I form my own opinions based on my exposure.
1- I will not see native filipino, in my lifetime of exposure, they are pigs and simply never clean. I will see American filipino
2- I will not see native Paki, or Indians, they reek of alcohol because they cant drink in their own communities and they are filthy bathers
3- I will not see young (under 40 Arabs), they are crazy, and think their money can buy them out of any trouble they can get in
So I guess by my exposure, I am a racist. Certainly my racism may change. But only time and exposure will tell. I never considered myself a racist as filipinos are looked down upon by most of the Asian community. But by the suggestions and thoughts in the thread I must be.
What do you think?
PS, please no comments about my life and how difficult it was. I had a wonderful childhood, great parents and siblings and don't regret a day of it. My father worked, I was never hungry and I was never abused in any way. By most standards my life was far better than many in my country. Finally I hope I did not offend anyone
First of all, almost everyone is wrong when they call it racism. It is culturalism. Some cultures suck. Most are really sub-cultures -- that is, a smaller group of people within a larger group have certain characteristic behaviors.
Individuals are going to vary even within the sub-culture. It's unfortunate for them they were born into a sucky culture. But those are the breaks.
Call it what you will.....I am guilty of it
I believe it is preference and the fact that any business should go out of business because such policy is established is moronic. This business is not like any other. It is not sell commodities, like a car, or the house ( but then.. I witnessed how black buyers were declined in their willingness to buy property on Park Avenue in NY) . Go ahead and call it racism. And yes, in this case I call it racism. But isn't it to get a reject even in those circumstances warrants this label? It is a preference to whom to sell the house. Prove it otherwise. You people in this country are very fond of liberty rights, while you choose what friends you have and I bet most of your friends are White, or AA, or any other race you've been nurtured in. Do you seek brunette instead of a blonde? That's discrimination too. What's wrong about a blonde? The point is why this topic is too sensitive is because you witnessed slavery and now all the slaves want to take their life back. That is because you want to seem democratic, while none of you want to live with that.
As for no AA policy, that is like no any other policy. It is just a policy and that's that. And sadly you are sucked in in any policy throw at you your media.
Maybe Fatvern and BSC Sasha had an illiterate love child and this is him? lmao
Talk about a word salad that makes zero fucking sense. Do we have a new SPOTY entrant?
When u KNOW a certain kind of shoes hurt your feet,
there is no law in place
that says u HAVE to wear those shoes.
Except, you know, you just compared black people to shoes.
Shoes != People.
I used the shoe analogy because most women Looove shoes.
Most people can relate to a pair of shoes that hurt their feet or back,
not so much a big black dick jack hammered into them.
But hey, you want to look for the shitty side of some typed words,
I guess you'll have a pretty good chance of finding some here.
I'm not saying that I'm looking for the bad side of your words, I'm saying that your analogy is total shit.
Also race doesn't have anything to do with penis size. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_penis_size#Size_and_race
You're just jaded because every black guy in porn has an above average penis, eg mandingo.
As I stated earlier in the thread, the only non-racist reason for not seeing a certain race is not finding that race attractive and all of the other problems that providers are saying arise from black men are easily solved by screening.
A provider doesn't want to see African American Men that's her choice. Nothing else you can do. I'm glad I don't have this restriction.
How come we don't see black providers start their ad with African-American on it or Black? This is even more prevalent in the East Coast and NY ads
They call themselves exotic, mixed, caramel, Caribbean, multi-cultural blah blah or the hundreds other sketchy wordings
And even South Indian... lol that like Haitian black
You don't she white chicks or asian chicks or spanish chicks use go around words. They can't help but sell the word WHITE, BLONDE, HOT BRAZILIAN/LATINA, CHINESE, JAPANESE, ASIAN beauty... etc etc
So why are no black provider saying they are African or Black, what are they ashamed of?
Also have you seen that black chick with fake boobs who post her body shots if you look closely looks like a Minion ( yes Minions from that kids movie )
I think that they face some of the same racism that the males do. I think the difference is that it is not as blatant. Males who don't want to see AA women just ignore them. They are not providers and therefore, they don't have to put in their ads that they don't see AA women. I did witness once this AA lady responding to an ISO and the guy telling her that he doesn't date Black women but it was in a very nasty way. I felt really bad for this lady and I told the guy that what he did was not called for. I guess others just don't respond or decline them when they reach out. This is something that is not talked about much, women facing racism from clients. I wonder if it is as common as it is with men? Please don't tell me that it is not because males are not afraid of black women because I am talking about racism and not fear.
It might not be the african, part, but the american part of the equation, even though I already said that.
I always start my ad with Black or Ebony, so I don't know where you get this. I always say Ebony or Black BBW because I am not trying to fool anyone.
As a black man, I don't let that bother me. I even seen African American providers saying the same thing about only see white man only. If there is a provider I really want to see that say no AA, and wont see anybody under 35, I professionally send them an email. Some of these providers took the time to call me directly and agreed to see me based on our friendly conversation and became favorites still to this day. Same with the age range, not even close to 35 yet, but always get away with that because I act in a mature manner. Speaking to all black man trying to figure out this question, which I always wondered to until I figured it out. The answer is safety, I can understand that. The second answer is to email her, you never know, all she can do is say no. But by emailing the provider in a professional manner, it gives her second thoughts about you, which doors can open up to greater things. If it works for me, it can work for you. That's my two cents....
Just pass them on by there are plenty who will see you.
We have a right to say no to anyone.
Do you really want to have to schedule an appt with anyone, no matter how she is???? What turns her off or makes her uncomfortable?
I freely see anyone regardless of grouping.
But why see someone that can't give you a 10 for any reason?
All the girls on Twitter who bitch at others for their limits, guess what? They refuse to see women or TS. Or have age bracket. So there SHOULDN'T be any judging.
Do we want to go a step further and slam girls who won't see guys who seem to not know how to clean themselves or have STDs?
Unless you guys want to be required to see every single lady, you all should leave those who have "won't sees" alone.
And again, I see every nice person who passes screening. Should I be required to see ANYONE? If you answer yes, you are TSTTT
As everyone knows, I spend a LOT of time in Latin America and almost none of this is done over the internet. Since it's legal most of the action happens in bars where you get to meet face to face before ever agreeing to ANYTHING and this works both ways.
Some of the guys like me are quite picky and I spend a lot of time shooing away the "gordas, feas y Viejas" who I have no interest it, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander and many of the chicas down there will pass right by a guy they think is smelly, ugly, cheap or any other reason of their own for not wanting to see the guy. I have seen some of these chicas tell multiple guys "I am busy" when it's plain they are simply not interested in THAT guy. In these places the chicas are the hunters and us guys are the prey. As a guy who is "Not repulsive" I love the way it works down there and I am sure there are many chicas who do this kind of work down there who would NEVER sit around an incall waiting for the next old, fat, smelly guy to knock on her door. lol
BTW I know it's supposed to be an American phenomenon that some girls won't see black guys, but I have heard it right from the horses/whores mouth that some of them too have NBA policies, and none of them even try to pretend that they aren't racist. lol
Loud mouth hookers on Twitter are a demographic now?
The most ironic thing would be if Hannibal the comedian wouldn't be able to get a hooker, and why else would anyone want to do stand up, if it wasn't for the hookers?
The next guy who feels inclined to post this question, please do yourself a favor and go back and review the other 199 times it has come up on this board. The answer remains the same: Her body, her rules. Just 2 weeks ago I got turned down by a lady when I told her I am AA. My response? I found another totally sweet hottie who let me spend 30 glorious minutes going down on her.
Black guys don't do DATY, everybody knows that and I just confirmed it by looking it up in my "stereotypes of black people" handbook. lmao
Next thing you know you are going to be telling us you don't have a 12" schlong.
And you know it's been a LOT more than 199 times we've had this discussion and it will be discussed again and again until people stop judging other people by their race, which of course will be never.
Which would apply to race and sex, along with race and sex in America.
People come in all shapes and sizes, although I've never seen a 100 gallons of triangle walking down the street. People of the same race, or usually more sexually compatible physically. Any observer of women could plainly see this.
Ask yourself this, Do you tend to desire the same type of women that look like the same women of your race?
Hot is hot, whether she is black, white, Asian, Latina or "other"
and just what gives you the idea that people of the same race are more compatible sexually/physically? You just get dumber by the minute. There are white girls who see no one but black guys, Asian girls who only see Whites, and every other preference you can think of.
If the human race manages to survive long enough, our gene pool will be so mixed there won't really be any more races, there won't be black or white, just varying shades of brown.
And always have racial chip on your shoulder.
I've never been to Vietnam, but the majority of the Vietnamese people I've ever seen looked physically compatible.
In America it's different many different cultures, like I said people come in all different shapes and sizes, although Americans of greater portion of larger people of all races, that's uniquely American.
The end of my post, contradicts everything because I've seen females from all races posses the same attributes that I find attractive.
That in itself does not take away from the fact the people who look alike go together.
Do like people not go together? Is that your counter argument. That wouldn't make any sense humans by design are made to procreate.
America, imperalism, and multiculturalism are purely man made phenomena.
I'm not saying it's wrong for people to be with whom they want based on race or other differences.
Let's not forget the world wasn't like it is today. Don't forget where you came from.
It's like you have no concept to things when they are not black or white, or left or right.
... and what's up with all this dna testing to test your ancestry, what do you need that info for?
Strange I MO
Fine you can join our holiday too. But please try to make some sense. I've never been to Vietnam either, but I can assure you a South Viet girl is not going to be 'physically' compatable with a North Viet guy. Either she won't let it happen or her parents won't.
The same closed minded attitude has slowly eroded away here. At least over the past quarter century or so, the racial barriers to interracial relationships have broken down, at least on the coasts. I won't claim that middle America would look down on an interracial dating or marriage. However, Imperialism is a closed minded, outdated attitude that one race is better than another and that race should be subverted. In the USA, I get to fuck whatever race I am attracted to, and I am thankful for that.
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It sounds like you think that you and me are going to have a "conversation" on this matter. Haven't I made it clear that you are simply Too Stupid To Talk To? (I spelled it out, just to make sure)
I don't have "conversations" with morons, you get one post out of me, maybe two and then it's time for you to crawl back under your bridge. So time to "Fuck off" now. Maybe Jake will talk to you? He seems to get a perverse pleasure out of arguing with idiots, but I don't.
I also don't like fried chicken and I'm mediocre at best at basketball. But pussy-eating? Where's that gold medal!
Too funny, I lived in Tulsa a few years back, a rather "white" city and the first couple of friends I made there were a Costa Rican guy and a black guy. My SB/GF at the time met the black guy when shopping for a washer/dryer for me and just "knew" he could get us some smoke (she was a huge pot head) and it turns out she was right, The Tico was his roommate and we all got to be friends.
AAR a few months later Tulsa got a hockey team and we went to one of the first games, it was so much fun being the only speck of "color" in an otherwise sea of white people.
But come on, no fried Chicken???!!! Even David Chappelle LOVES chicken. lol
And quit when I stopped taking my health for granted.
Actually the 2 hockey games I've been to were pretty amazing. Fuck those guys are quick. And a few weeks ago I was at an Elvis Costello concert. I spotted 2 other black people in the audience. Didn't bother me; had a great time.
I've been in my business for 30 years and it's still common (40-50%) to be the only person of color in a business meeting (and certainly the only person of color with any authority). I guess that's better than 90%.
Either way I've learned to walk into the place as if I own it. Fuck anyone who doesn't like it.
And yes, unbelievable though it may be, if I could orgasm from going down on a woman my dick might never see a woman's privates again.
and since I speak "fluent redneck" people are still surprised when they meet me in person. Once upon it was an issue, but over time it has become less an less an issue. Personally I kind of like being "different" I guess over the years I have gotten used to usually being the only Asian in the room.
You've got the exact right attitude, Own the fucking room and fuck anyone who doesn't like it.
Gag prefers Jamaican women over AA women. He likes when they twerk, spin their heads around like they are possed, and flop around on the floor like a dead fish.
How is that sexy?
I don't think AA men are into that.
No AA is primarily seen on posts for ladies who are 250$ and hour or less, for reasons posted in here, she has a manager, she's trying to avoid pimps, she's seen other ladies do it.
But as soon as you enter mid and high range, the ethnicity most ladies would never like to see again are Indian clients. They have a reputation for being the smelliest, or the most annoying clients and rude and rough. I'm telling you, if every 500+ an hour could filter out a certain race without any backlash, it would be Indian clients, I know ladies that have sworn to never see another one, and come down with a "sickness" when the client enters and they realize he's Indian.
is from Pakistan and works IT at a 7-11.
and seems to have drastically cut down on new threads.
I think the New Discussion board format is an epic fail. Let's see how long it takes for TER to figure out they've goofed.
Some body should post a gif.
Go figure.
It is amazing that the single action of one person of color result in a generalize action for the rest.Don't forget institutionalize racism/ brainwash that everything of color is bad ; Black Ice (lie ,ice is white),Black Mail ( even when the people involved are not black),White color crime ,( light sentencing..........yet still a thief is still a thief ,anyway) .I could go on and on.....
The problem began when started to colorize people.........Many of the colorizing don't even match up....just a part of the brainwash that ' I am better than you based n the shade of my skin'......dumbest,stupidest,most ignorant evil thing ever.
Get the book 'The birth Dirt' - Ben Wattleburgh
Why do so many ads that say no AA, marketed toward AA, most videos have rap music playing, and the women in the ads appear to embrace what is popular AA culture, and often written in a language only a trap star would understand.
That makes absolutely no sense.
They should play Lawrence Welk, not songs about sex, drugs, and murder.