I know most guys have no regrets about The Hobby, but have you considered the guilt it may bring if you go back to dating outside The Hobby? Even if you don't have guilt, you have to live with a secret or a lie. Any experiences or advice would be helpful. Thanks
Do you think there's something morally wrong with having consensual sex with prostitutes? I don't. Please take your confused morality elsewhere.
If I cherished morality I wouldn't be on this site. My concern is not for me but how a civvie girlfriend would react if they knew. I know times have changed but I'm sure most civvie girls wouldn't like it to say the least.
If she can handle it, keep her. If she can't, she will self-eliminate. When my last serious GF asked me, I told her. She thought it was hot. She also respected the fact that I was honest, no only in telling her but in how and why I started in this world.
I will admit that being in p4p for a while has made me even less inclined to get back into civvie dating. Aside from it not fitting my life right now for many reasons, I know from decades of civvie dating that there is a LOT of effort, time and money invested into dating and, so far, things haven't panned out the way I want them to.
It's simpler to contact a provider, find some time together and get on with the rest of my life. It's not the ideal for me but it works. Side benefit is having lovely women who like to have sex play with me and they are generally much younger than I am (not such a high bar to clear when you're 65 million years old).
As far as lies go -- I've never mixed p4p and dating but that way, I don't have the guilt and don't need to keep track of lies, hide burner phones, worry about how the fallout would affect other areas of my life, etc.
When a civvie female asks about my past dating life, I can give her the general number or give her specifics if she truly wants to know. I'm well past beyond caring if they're going to judge me for having some fun in my life -- in fact, it's a good litmus test as to whether we would get along or not.
I know a lot of the guys here privately, and I can't imaging a single one of them wanting to "go back" to civvie dating. Unless their hobby fund runs dry, what would be the point in going "backwards."
This hobby has shown me how backwards civvie dating is. You go out two or three times before she decides you're worth fucking, but after you have sex, and compare her to the pro's that you're used to, you realize SHE wasn't worth fucking. There is no way to end this quickly without a lot of drama. It makes much more sense to me to fuck a woman FIRST, and then decide if she is worth seeing again. However, I have yet to meet a civvie girl that was okay with this approach.
I'm actually dating two providers I'm seeing.
Personally....I don't know how I could go back to dating after being with beautiful, uninhibited women who aren't nagging me about how long it took me to go to the store! If I had found this before my ex wife....the other 50% of my life thus far would be as memorable as the 1st half was! But on the very rare chance I met a woman who actually interested me, I wouldn't feel any guilt. There's nothing to feel guilty about. I'm single....so I'm not cheating.
This is just the purest way of cutting through the bullshit. This is no different than if you were freely dating in between relationships. Except there are no " bad dates". Unless you forget that ladies should always be shown respect... then it could get ugly!
There's no difference I can find. Both types are looking for someone special and need money. Who really knows if a non provider hasn't offered herself for sex for money?
And if I do go on a civie date, I fess up. If the civie chick is cool with this lifestyle, we might be a match. If she has issues with it, well, NEXT.
Sure, there are things we must keep hidden and occasionally some shit happens, but anything worthwhile requires sacrifice.
I'm married to an ex-escort, currently date (Platonically) a former FBSM gal I once frequented, and see a bevy of other escorts, FBSM gals, tantrikas, and at least one that is so complicated it defies description.
It keeps me busy, semi-broke, and very happy.
It's a good life.
It's a pragmatic way of life. I understand having a code word for an illegal or to some immoral activity.
Seeing that I have no moral problem with paying for sexual pleasure and I'm not breaking a relationship commitment, I have zero reason for guilt or the shame that could come with it.
Fuck guilt.
I like having sex with pretty girls, and this is a consensual way for me to skip all the dating BS and get what I want. In my case, I can have sex with much hotter girls than I could pick up personally in my circles, so I feel anything but guilt. I feel gratitude LOL. I feel freedom to choose and play with whom ever I like.
I’m giving an escort what they want for offering me what I want. Everybody in the situation wins. As long as you are being checked regularly for STDs and you know you’re clean, your past is your business IMO. However, you do run the risk of getting used to getting what you want and you may feel guilty (not for having been with escorts, but because you want to be with an escort again once you’re back into s relationship!
Think of it this way. Let's just say it is three dates before you fuck a girl in the civilian world. In a larger city, dinner and drinks, fuel, movies, whatever, you get the picture x 3 dates. Probably about the same as a moderately priced provider. We can take this further with engagement ring, wedding costs, kids, etc., but let's keep it simple.
One could argue you're paying for sex either way. One is socially acceptable, the other is not, but they are the same thing. You're paying for sex. One is just calling it what it is, pay-for-play.
If that helps you justify it, whatever makes you sleep better at night.
First off, I don't have to "go back" to dating outside P4P, I see hookers, I see non hookers and I see women somewhere in between (sugar babies) this is not an either/or decision for me, why would I want to limit myself when I can see all sorts of women?
Secondly, I am not hurting anyone, in fact i am helping support many women who because of this business are able to make a very nice living and do so "on their own terms", why would I possibly feel guilty about that?
Thirdly, why would I have to keep "this" a secret, or feel any need to lie about it? I am not ashamed of it, I am not worried about cops breaking down my door just because I am an admitted whore monger, and quite frankly I don't give even a single fuck if some narrow minded puke looks down his/her nose at me over it. I don't need society's "permission" to have sex with another consenting adult. Pot smokers are "out" gays are "out" why shouldn't whore mongers be "out" too?
Are you attempting project your damn guilt on others? Grow a couple of get out.
The Hobby has been a great experience but it's not feasible to do this the rest of your life.
I don't see any reason at all I can't do this for the rest of MY life.
You keep making all these assumptions and trying to apply them to the rest of us, if this isn't for YOU, then get the fuck out. Some people think golf is a huge waste of time and money, other people can't see why someone would get up at 3 AM just to go fishing of all things, other people look at the cost of owning a race horse and freak out over why anyone would want to blow that kind of money. And then there is you who are trying to tell the rest of us why we shouldn't be fucking hookers for the rest of our lives just because YOU happen to be suffering some angst over it for some unknown reason. I have a suggestion, if fucking hookers is not for you, how about you GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! and leave the rest of us to have our guilt free fun? How's that for a great fucking idea??? lol
Ok, I will play along for just another few minutes, just WHY do you believe I can't do this for the rest of MY life? Frankly I don't give a fuck why "you" can't do it, but I am slightly curious why you think you are qualified to tell me what I can and can not do.
God damn Ga Gambler, didn't realise you were such a head case. If you can't handle the topic then get the fuck out of the thread you fuck nut!
You keep giving us reasons why the rest of us can't do this, but the rest of us are just fine. You are the one all conflicted over this, so answer the question (if you can), just WHY can't I keep doing this until i drop dead someday?
You act as if I'm judging you. You have some heavy shit on your conscience. Everybody else is civil about this thread but you go bat shit crazy! Your defensive hostility is a real eye opener.
and for the record, only women go Bat Shit Crazy.
When guys like me lose patience with repeated stupid questions/statements and respond a bit harshly we are called assholes not BSC. If you are going to post dumb shit around here at least get your terminology right.
And I will ask you one more time, Just why can't "I" keep doing this for the rest of my life?
Pretty much the same thing I said to BSC Hookers on local board that brought some Transphobic bullshit into conversation when it clearly wasn't "The issue" But theirs and theirs alone. Yeah makes a guy hot under collar.
Batshit crazy is a label owned by women? WTF? Are you still in high school? Okay my bad, how about ape shit? Guys like you make the forums a real turn-off, nitpicking every little detail of a post, trying to read between the lines when nothing is there. What is your hangup about "not being feasible for the rest of your life"? A simple question for explanation would suffice instead of going off the deep end with all guns blazing.
The Hobby isn't feasible for long term because p4p is a major expense that will keep most guys broke. If you're rich or don't mind being broke then more power to you. I can't be a part-time hobbyist and date civvies at the same time, it's one or the other. I would feel guilty to be in a real relationship with a civvie and to omit this particular fact about my life. I just wanted to hear from other guys, who took a break from The Hobby, what their experiences were like.
and for the record, only women go Bat Shit Crazy.
When guys like me lose patience with repeated stupid questions/statements and respond a bit harshly we are called assholes not BSC. If you are going to post dumb shit around here at least get your terminology right.
And I will ask you one more time, Just why can't "I" keep doing this for the rest of my life?
I am not only capable of seeing not just hookers and civvies at the same time, but I also get to see a lot of SB's to boot.
One of the many things you seem to be missing is that not all relationships with civvies have to be "full time and/or exclusive" I guess you are lot of lot of the gameless dweebs here that have never learned that a lot of non hookers don't need to be in love to enjoy having sex.
Now if you had just said "I am thinking about getting involved with a civvie chick and I am having problems with the guilt" I would have respected YOUR decision, but when you pretend to speak for the rest of us I feel obligated to smack you down like the whiny little cunt you appear to be. I won't go so for as to say you ARE a "whiny little cunt" because not only would that be rude, but since many/most people here aren't really who or what they appear to be I can't state that you are indeed a "whiny little cunt" with any degree of certainty. OTOH, since you have no reason to lie and you most certainly sound like a "whiny little cunt" I would be willing to wager that you are indeed a "whiny little cunt" You of course are the expert on the subject, do you think I would be safe in giving odds when accepting wagers about your cuntiness?
BTW you haven't seen "full guns blazing" and unfortunately (for the purposes of this thread that is) I have to go get laid in just a few minutes and pussy is much more important in my life than smacking you around like the little board piñata that you are, but if you are still around when you get back I would be more than happy to give you the full GaGambler treatment that you so richly deserve. ROFLMFAO
is expensive, then I would warn you off of learning to fly airplanes and/or owning race horses, based on my own experiences in hobby hell.
It sounds like you're saying that you would love to keep doing this, but have not been able to keep to a budget that works for so, so you're looking for moral excuses instead to justify getting out. I only know a few guys that don't need to be on SOME kind of budget. The key is to find a place where you can project a long term plan so that 1) you don't run out of money while your dick still works, and 2) you DON'T have a bunch of money left over AFTER your dick stops working. Balancing these is the sweet spot for where your level of hobby activity should be. You just need to crunch the numbers and figure it out. Then THAT'S the level you should be hobbying at. Granted, its an estimate on your part, but you have to have a starting point. If you're not sure how to do it, maybe your insurance guy can send you some actuarial tables that will give you some averages to start with. Just a suggestion so you don't have make it seem like something other than the expense.
Lion!
Your post caught my attention! Did you/do you own racehorses?! I don’t/haven’t, but I love the horses! I go to Saratoga, Keeneland, Churchill, Belmont etc. a few times yearly. I ain’t a big-bettor, but, I’ve always liked the track
Yes, I WAS an owner. Still have a valid CHRB license, but don't currently own anything with four legs. You find a trainer you can trust (needle in a haystack? - lol) then you let him suggest some claimers that might be underpriced. You pick one or more depending on how much money you're wiling to risk (figure on $35-50,000 per for horses with decent bloodlines and prospects of winning some stakes races in the future but that don't have much of a racing record yet), go get your background check and license, and you are in the thoroughbred business. You don't need a ranch or anyplace to keep them, at least not in California. There is a circuit here where the trainers just keep moving the horses around to follow the various racing meets throughout the state. Training and boarding generally runs about $4-5000 a month which you pay to your trainer and he parcels it out for the individual expenses. Jockey fees are billed through the trainer as well. Purse money for winning can be sent directly to you, or you can direct it to go to the trainer to offset future expenses, and maybe NOT have to write a monthly check or two. As you immerse yourself in your hobby, you will learn more until you reach a point where you might be capable of picking your own horses to claim in the future.
Having been in this hobby for most of my 30's and 40's, I can say with some certainty from my own experience and observing friends that only a small fraction of equine investments return more than the overall investment you make. There are potential tax benefits on the losses, but that will vary depending on your own overall financial situation.
But no, he never said, implied or acted as if you were judging him.
Just an FYI, if you did say, imply or act that you were judging him, he most assuredly wouldn’t give a fuck.
The question remains, why do you insist that any of “US” can’t continue doing this for the rest of “OUR” lives and be happy doing so?
I will never impose my integrity on you, nor will I accept you imposing yours on me.
You be you, let me be me.
It's perfect, she gets what she wants, you get what you want, both parties are happy.
You might want to qualify your sentence to say "it's not feasible to do this the rest of MY life" meaning your own life.
I plan to do this for the rest of my life, and live happily ever after.
Amen...and hallelujah!!
I also resent the assumption you are making for the rest of us. I saw your comments about telling, or not telling a civie girlfriend.
That's where generalization is ridiculous.
For some, keeping it a secret is the only way to get the woman they want because that woman has ego or moral reasons to not tolerate people who do this, hookers or mongers.
For me and many others, I would not tolerate a civie woman who has such reasons. I'm not saying that I would insist to continue, well maybe I would. But, I would then be able to have an honest negotiation to see what is acceptable to both parties. You know, a relationship based on communication and honesty.
My generalization is that, most of the mongers that are 50 and up, who are single, have a similar attitude as I do. The younger mongers who are looking to find a partner to start a family, or are cheating on their spouses, will have different priorities and are more likely to lie and keep secrets.
Well Maybe you should have told that to the dudes that keeled over dead in a hookers bed or a hooker in their bed . So yes it is feasible.
The Hobby has been a great experience but it's not feasible to do this the rest of your life.
Maybe not for you LOL. Fucking young, model hot women who are focused on pleasing me and are dressed for sex and ready when I can make time for them is not only feasible, but sustainable. I get plenty of social stimulation hanging out with my friends and have more time to pursue my own hobbies and interests. I find little pleasure in dating civvy women. I couldn’t imagine not having sex with more than one woman
The Hobby has been a great experience but it's not feasible to do this the rest of your life.
spending time with beautiful women and pleasing and being pleased. What is wrong with this picture? NOTHING.
She ultimately found out and we argued. I said I would stay home if I got what I want at home.
Going on 14 years, still married, still not getting it at home. No further comments from the wife.
Would never consider civvie dating any more...why would anyone?
I don't date outside of the Hobby.
I mean why bother? In real world dating you have to play the bullshit dating game, you have listen to her bullshit (Suzy at my office dresses like a slut, I can't believe she walks around dressed like that every day). You know what, tell Suzy to come over, and when she arrives, get the fuck out. Or in my case, because of my age, you have to listen to her go on and on about her kids and grandkids, or worse she's raising her grandkids. All that to get uninspired, vanilla, lame sex with a woman who doesn't even try to look good.
No thanks, I get great sex, with hot women and I don't have to try or listen to any bullshit to get it.
No regrets, I go where I want, when I want, with whom I want for as long as I want.
Amen brother! That's exactly the way I view it as well.
Yep---couldn't have said it any better---the freedom that comes with this "underground" life is priceless!! (Not to mention the other benefits LOL!!)
I'm a little surprised by how belligerent some of the responses are. I faced this same question when I started dating someone. My life is completely compartmentalized, and part of me wanted to rationalize that I did not need to disclose my "Mimi" life because it did not belong to the me that was in the relationship. But at the point that I wanted real-life intimacy with that person, the secrets had to go. I am not ashamed of my whoring life, but it it was equally as difficult for me to discuss the details as it was for the other person to understand. I hope that made sense!
I think you expect honesty from that person, and you owe that person honesty in return. To expect honesty from your partner, but be unwilling to give that person the same consideration would make you a hypocrite and I think that is the conclusion you came to as well.
I am not ashamed of what I do here, and I don't see providers to the exclusion of women who have other careers (being a hooker is what you do, not what you are IMHO), and while I know that admitting to having slept with countless other women is not something that many women are going to be fine with, I am not about to enter into a SERIOUS relationship that is based on a lie.
Hopefully the man you wanted "real-life intimacy" was okay with what you do for a living. Not all guys look down on hookers. It's a perfectly honest way to make a living. One last thing, I know a big worry many providers/ex-providers have about being honest about their career choice is that someday their man is going to throw it back in their face when emotions are running high, as in "Well you were nothing but a whore when I met you" I know it's a valid fear, but speaking as one of the biggest assholes on all of TER I have NEVER said such a thing to any provider/ex-provider I have been involved with. I have been in several LTR's and like all couples, we all fight sometimes, but speaking strictly for myself I have NEVER been mad enough to stoop to such a low blow with any woman I have been involved with.
It's all in how you view things. Your moral center necessitated coming clean. Mine would be " some things are better left unsaid". In my experience...when a woman you're dating wants info on your life before you met her....irs ammunition to be used at a later date. I don't want to know about her past sexual experiences. I don't want to know how she divorced Timmy cuz he didn't take the trash out on Tuesday mornings. I can't do baggage. Not here to pay the price for what some dipshit did to wrong her in the past. This hobby tends to spoil you on the caliber of woman you get to view naked. It can take a toll on your finances if you dont show some form of restraint. But these things only affect you! You didnt axe murder someone....you cut through the red tape and got down to brass tax with another consenting adult. Seriously....why should you feel guilty? Because of some antiquated puritan belief? One that's only really followed by the sex denying soccer mom wife of some poor shlub who's one bad day away from eating the barrel of a gun? You know the difference between a provider and that soccor mom? One is happy being in control of her own life.
The other needs to castrate a man in the process...
WOW!! That statement about the difference between a soccer mom and a provider is powerful!! (And spot-on truth!!)
To me, it sounded like he was spitting misogynistic fear and hatefulness. I guess it really is true that you can't read tone in text!
I really didn't interpret that statement as misogynistic---more like calling out the suburban-types who spend their whole lives chasing an image and "keeping up with the joneses" yet are deep down unhappy and chained down psychologically.
Maybe the "castrate" term is a bit severe but I know several women like this and they do have an underlying bitterness to them that can sort of "castrate" the spouse.
I'm pretty sure that all humans are at times unhappy and chained down psychologically, no matter where we live, or what we choose to do. The idea that those of us who choose sexwork - or choose to see sexworkers - are somehow more liberated or happy than people who choose other things... I've never seen any evidence of this. Much of human happiness comes from doing what is right for US - whether that is whoring or house-wiving or any other thing that is true to who we are.
I just don't understand the feelings of superiority expressed in a thread like this.
I guess one has to compartmentize one’s life. There is a professional life and there I a personal life. A confusion of the border can lead to dire consequences. No one say it is easy.
Not going to create my own. There are enough factors that can set that into play beyond my control.
So, Its All Good..Just Enjoy, Happy Memories, and Life Goes On , Its Your , Our Bizness, Move On To The Next Chapter 💋💋👿
... Is not doing something that I wish I had.
all the time, that I have no regrets about anything I did in life, but many about things I could have done, but didn't.
Ever heard of a false dichotomy? If you feel guilty then tell it to your psychotherapist. But it is wholly false to suggest the blanket statement that hobbiests "live with a secret or lie". My advice? Get an education.
From the hobby, I've learned about women, their likes, their pet peeves, and how to really turn them on. I've learned how to worship them, make them feel great, make them cum really hard. I can take my experiences/knowledge forward.
...i have trouble meeting women who are completely open about oral sex as those in the hobby...
This whole thread was fascinating to read, thank you for everyone weighing in. I think if I was in the situation of dating (which I’m not) I would want to know. And then I would ask to go on business trips with my SO to participate in the fun he may have with a hot Provider. Lol!
This is still very much a puritan nation and a lot of thought process as well as laws are ruled in that manner. Nice to see like-minded and interesting responses. Thank you!
I might someday go back to a civvie life with a civvie job and civvie boyfriend (doubtful!) I feel zero guilt about what I have done with my life. I am actually quite proud of the business I have built and no issues talking about it.
Where is the guilt you feel coming from? Do you feel like you are "using" gals that are providers? Do you feel guilt from a religious standpoint? I am sure there are gals that are in this just for the quick money and do not enjoy what they are doing. As long as you are seeing reputable providers that enjoy their job you should feel no guilt. If it is a God thing, that is between you and him/her. 
I have a bachelor's degree and would have no problem finding a decent civvie job today, as I have had in the past. I have always wanted to have my own business and be my own boss and now I very successfully have both!
#happyhooker
#happylife
#noguilt
it's better than hurting someone's feelings. Cheating spouses that confess to rid themselves of guilt are losers and weak.
As long as you play safe, there's no reason to confess to P4P ever. None of her business what you did before you met.
I'm happily married and I happily see providers on the side. I have no guilt. My wife does not know I see providers. Some may say I'm hypocrite because I'm married and not strictly monogamous.
You may want to consider pursuing a civvie relationship while seeing providers on the side. Having a civvie relationship has many benefits. It works well for me and could for work for you as well.
I could never have a relationship with a provider unless she stopped seeing other men. Some guys on here would be/are ok with their women fucking other men. I'm not. To each his own.
But you are OK fucking a provider knowing she is fucking other men? But if she was "yours" she could only have sex with you? But it is OK for you to have sex with as many women as you want? Um, OK.
LOL. Interesting.
Goodness I hope your wife is getting a lot of nice Dick on the side. In your "monogamous" relationship.
I fuck who I want, when I want. Most I get $$, some I do not. Do us all a favor and stop acting like this is 1950.
Again: LOL
xoxo
You damn right I act like it's 1950. You think there weren't hookers back then???? I expect women to be ok and give a pass to their man that's having a little side action respectfully but I laugh at any guy who shares and watches their SO when in a relationship.
And yes, I'm ok with fucking a provider knowing she's been with hundreds of men. I don't know, love or care about her. It's like tossing a rode out in a gleaming lake when the sun is rising or flying a kite.
In civvie life, there are beautiful woman ready to build a life with. To the OP, find one and don't feel guilty if you want to have a little side action.
Just kidding.
Kidding that you "might" be a hypocrite that is. You most DEFINITELY are a hypocrite, but at least you own it. lmao
LOL. Gaga strikes (correctly!!) again!!
xoxo
When I was talking about this not being 1950, I was talking more so about the fact that yes, I do have sex with men for money (aka prostitute) but this is also my job. This is my profession. This is my business. You are saying that if you are having a relationship with a prostitute that you expect her to give up her profession? She is no longer supposed to work? She is supposed to give up a very lucrative job that she may love for, well, you????
If she worked in another line of work successfully would you say the same thing? If she wants to give up her job that should be her own decision, not something that is forced on her or expected.
Your post is obviously very hypocritical, but also glaringly shows you as a very, very insecure man. Sorry not sorry.
work. Get any good dick today? Your hair is little messy, must have been a good day at work". I understand and agree that this is a lucrative business and honest profession but I couldn't see myself in a relationship with an active provider.
I have been seeing providers since I was 18. As a kid I had no game. So I took matters in my own hands and hired a Times Square peep booth gal to "break my cherry" so to speak. I am 49 now and only stopped seeing providers for a 1 year hiatus when I had a steady live in girlfriend who fucked like crazy, followed by 2 more years of hobbying then a 4 year hiatus when I met and wooed and eventually married my wife. So 5 years off out of 31 years of the hobby makes it 26 solid years. I only found TER in 2012. I was honest about my past to both my ex gf and my then future wife. They didnt like it, but they accepted it. I stayed faithful to the GF until she cheated on me and then broke up with me. (I would have tried to work it out). The wife? I stayed faithful during our dating year and our engagement year and 2 years beyond. When she started gradually losing interest in sex, my jonesing for pussy brought me back to seeing providers. First, quick bjs in the back room of the local strip joint, then FS with some tired old daytime strippers (same place -- since closed and bulldozed) then BP, then finally TER. My wife has no clue. I don't feel guilty because if she gave it up more then I would stay home. On the (rare) months when she does give it up more I do stay home. I love my wife and she gives the absolutely best edging BBBJ ever when she gets around to it. When we fuck, she is into it and multi orgasmic and we have a great time. About once or twice a month. Bbbjs less often. So... do I feel guilty? No. Do I want her to know? No.
For all that, she is my best friend in the.world, always has my back, is a great mom to our kids and I just dont want to hurt her. Except for a lack of sex and a few other little issues, I'm kinda happy with her. I fill the void with providers and everything works out.
Nice to see someone speak so honestly and positively about their wife!!! She is a lucky lady.
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I only went as far as hand jobs thru the slide up windows except for one in-the-booth HJ and, finally, in the late 90s, I met one of my fave peep booth girls after hours and we went to the skanky hotel (no longer there) on 42nd across from the church (still there).
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It's better with TER, though.
It's only natural for men to want have sex with multiple partners (some women too). Religious dogma says otherwise, but that's not the natural order of things. If you're in a relationship, even a mutually loving one, you still have to face those needs. I was never one to hold back on my desires to be with other women, even when I was in a loving relationship. Several years ago, I divorced my wife of many years to enter into a mutually loving relationship with an escort I had been seeing. And yes, I felt guilty for having put my ex-wife through that, but I got over it and so eventually did my ex wife. I'm currently seeing an escort on a regular basis who is married. She and her husband are also swingers. No guilt in that relationship! Each one of us have different tolerances as to how much guilt we are willing to except in our lives. So if you are in a relationship or want to have one and can't handle the guilt, then just stay out of the Hobby or better yet never let yourself be in a situation where you are alone with a member of the opposite sex so you won"t be tempted. It works for Mike Pence. On the other hand, maybe you should follow Trumps example, a man who apparently doesn't have a guilty bone in his body who not only lives with lies but creates them on a daily basis.
The lady I originally saw way back then on my initial foray...I saw last week, for at some where in the 250th plus times. The more things change, the more they stay the same...great back then, even better now. I've also had/have about a dozen ladies I've seen at least a dozen times plus, several far more. Same. I have no guilt whatsoever in participating in this game...for me, this is THE game. Going back to dating in Civvie world is not something I foresee returning to anytime soon, if ever. Why would I want to to?
The only secret or lie I have found doesn't sit with a hobbyist (I like to call them gentlemen myself) but with the men who wish they were ...and aren't.
"Hobbyist" sounds to lord of the ringish for me lol