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New Reviews of Existing Provider
charliedrake 36 Reviews 1388 reads
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In the new format it doesn't seem to allow for updating certain info in a new review for existing providers...can't update pricing, add new sex acts (such as anal, or bi or multiple guys, etc), can't add new websites....most frustrating is the inability to update pricing and sex acts.

To my knowledge, profile info wasn't updated through reviews on the old TER either, even though reviewers had to enter all the profile info even for providers with profiles.  IMO the new review form for providers with existing profiles is a big improvement.  

But keep in mind if you want certain services such as anal to be reflected in your score, all you need to do is mention them in your review and set the score accordingly.  Those services don't have to be in the provider's profile. That's a relatively recent change in the review scoring rules.  

(I was writing my first reply before NGBE's post went up. And I disagree with NGBE.)
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TER has a powerful tool, a huge DATABASE with specific fields for specific pieces of data. Information from the flat text (General + Juicy Details) is not searchable, collatable, interpretable or useful as FIELD DATA. (E.g., the occurrence of "lose a few pounds" is ambiguous: HE should lose a few? SHE should lose a few? A joking "so sweaty from all the action ... lose a few."?) FLAT TEXT is hard to treat as DATA without sophisticated grammar and semantics tools.
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By not allowing reviewers to personally update individual forms, TER is losing out on getting a ton of data which could be used to VERIFY problem reports and for other purposes.  
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Like others, the OP was not suggesting that a new Review form with a different piece of data should automatically change the public Profile. That was NEVER the case. (If you look at your own old reviews, you see the information you entered into each data field, even if it disagrees with the public information then or now.)  Getting up to date information into each data field in the "bulk" database is the point.  
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CBJ CBJ CBJ CBJ CBJ BBJ CBJ CBJ ... The BBJ is an outlier.
CBJ CBJ CBJ BBJ BBJ BBJ CBJ BBJ BBJ CBJ BBJ ... is strong support of a trend towards a different service level.
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WITHOUT THE DETAILED PERSONAL DATA, TER IS LOSING OUT CAPTURING THAT INFO.
INFORMATION IS POWER.
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I think TER should allow editing of the pre-populated forms.

Posted By: NoGreenBorderedEnvelope
Re: Those items are updated through Problem Reports.  
To my knowledge, profile info wasn't updated through reviews on the old TER either, even though reviewers had to enter all the profile info even for providers with profiles.  IMO the new review form for providers with existing profiles is a big improvement.    
   
 But keep in mind if you want certain services such as anal to be reflected in your score, all you need to do is mention them in your review and set the score accordingly.  Those services don't have to be in the provider's profile. That's a relatively recent change in the review scoring rules.  

Posted By: impposter

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 I think TER should allow editing of the pre-populated forms.
I agree.  
It would be better if the forms were optional, but available for contribution by reviewers.

I've seen items left out by the first reviewer, such as ethnicity, and other shit that would make it easier to search for.

I'd rather not have to read through a bunch of reviews just to find out if a girl does anal or FIV, if the first reviewer didn't mention it.

What do you think would be UPDATED by a review, if not profile info?  Info from other reviews?  No, that makes no sense. The OP was clearly asking for PROFILES to be UPDATED based on someone's review.  

I think it should take a specific request to update a profile.  One big reason for that is that many reviews... how shall I put it... abuse the truth.

The OP said, "... updating certain info in a new review". I'll let OP clarify if he meant "... updating certain info in a new review FORM" or if he meant the each new reviewer will be able to update a Profile w/o TER looking into it (as a Problem Report). OP has been around TER since at least 2008 with 20+ reviews.  
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OP was NOT "clearly asking for PROFILES to be UPDATED based on someone's review." as NGBE alleged.
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Others who have previously posted on this topic during beta testing, e.g., impposter :-)  were CLEARLY talking about returning the old EDITABLE review form, even if most data fields are pre-populated. I think that OP was saying the same thing.  

Posted By: NoGreenBorderedEnvelope
Re: The OP said "update".  
What do you think would be UPDATED by a review, if not profile info?  Info from other reviews?  No, that makes no sense. The OP was clearly asking for PROFILES to be UPDATED based on someone's review.    
   
I think it should take a specific request to update a profile.  One big reason for that is that many reviews... how shall I put it... abuse the truth.
It should and does take a specific request (usually, a Problem Report) to update a Profile. No one is asking for that to change.

I used the term 'review' because that's the process for updating the providers info/profile, or it used to be.  I don't see using Problem Reports to update a providers fees...say her profile says $300 for 60 minutes and Nothing else about her fees....and I just had a 2 hour session with her plus an upgrade for anal for $550....shouldn't that be updated through the 'review' process?  Or using Problem Reports to update her city, say if she moved.  Or updating her provided services....I doubt the very 1st reviewer knew or experienced all of a providers services.  

I think everyone gets what I'm talking about....it would be so easy when writing a review for an established provider to update (or add to) the info in her profile....and far less burdensome on TER than having to deal with Problem Reports.

That includes her fees or new city. This has nothing to do with the "new" TER. It has always been that way. The first reviewer sets the profile and it is updated via problem reports (or the provider herself contacting TER to make changes). In the past, we were required to fill out the profile every time a new review was written, but what was filled in did not change anything on the profile.

When you say the first reviewer did not know about all her services, well, of course! Why do you think there are so many "don't knows" in so many profiles?

Uh... It appears to me the OP *was* in fact asking for profiles to be updated based on someone's review. That's how I read his reply to your post--the post to which I'm replying now.  

Posted By: impposter
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 OP was NOT "clearly asking for PROFILES to be UPDATED based on someone's review." as NGBE alleged.  
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The OP's examples were exactly how the old TER worked to modify a Profile without a Problem Report: WHEN YOU ADDED SOMETHING *NEW* IT CHANGES THE PROFILE.  That included a new rate or time. I have even added (old TER) a different rate for the same time period for a touring provider (1 hr 300 in Smalltown, 1 hr 400 in Bigtown): it posted but eventually got removed.  
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When you replaced a "Don't know" with new, accurate info, it updated the Profile automatically, just as the OP is complaining that it does NOT allow you to do now.
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What you could never do and still can't do is expect to change some fields without a detailed Problem Report.  You cannot change a Profile from "CBJ" to "BBBJ Spit" based only on editing a review form and you NEVER could do that.  You could never and still cannot change a Profile entry of "Anal NO" to "Anal YES" based on the review form alone. You couldn't even change "Hair - short" to "Hair - below shoulders" from the review FORM alone but needed to file a Problem Report. BUT THE OP IS NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT.
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The OP is complaining that the entire autopopulated review FORM is LOCKED to making any kind of change, edit or modification.  The OP and many others want the review FORM to be editable based on our personal experience and not locked to the entry made by the first reviewer.
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I (and not the OP) have tried to make the point that such detailed info is VERY useful and that TER can make use of it for verifying Problem Reports and providing more detailed (histogram, moving averages) Profile info in a future upgrade.

Posted By: NoGreenBorderedEnvelope
Re: The OP said "update" REVIEW not Profile
Uh... It appears to me the OP *was* in fact asking for profiles to be updated based on someone's review. That's how I read his reply to your post--the post to which I'm replying now.  
Posted By: impposter

  OP was NOT "clearly asking for PROFILES to be UPDATED based on someone's review." as NGBE alleged.  
 


-- Modified on 5/11/2017 5:43:04 AM

Nothing I added in a review ever got reflected in a profile automatically.  No "don't knows" got changed to the value I gave in my review.  Probably because there could be no evidence other than the word of the one reviewer (me) that the new info was accurate.  And as you know, many reviews aren't accurate.  

As for changing rates on a profile based on what one reviewer claims he/she paid, I think that's a bad idea.  What if that fee were a special promotion, a grandfathered rate available only to specific clients, or other rate not available to the general public?  

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I don't know if he's talking about an "old" version of TER that's older than what I'm calling the old version or what. I filled out plenty of reviews on the old system where there were a lot of "don't know's" on the profile and I put the info into the form. The profiles always still said don't know unless/until I did a PR. I have never seen anything on a profile change without a PR or contact us going through. (Except "number of reviews" lol)

That's how it's been since I've been around. Maybe Impposter was talking about way back in the day?

I don't recall any changes being made to any part of the profile based on inputs from new reviews.

This was brought up during beta testing.  I have always thought that TER used the details from each submission, including info that differs from the existing Profile, as a way of validating Profile updates and corrections and problem reports. If the Profile says BBBJ but the last 4 reviewers indicated CBJ on their forms (and, maybe, in the written reviews), that alone won't change the Profile. But if a Problem Report comes in, TER checkers can easily see that the most up to date experiences have been CBJ and that could justify changing the Profile.
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On a separate but related note, I have suggested that with specific and updated data coming from all reviewers, that TER could post BETTER information in the form of a table or histogram or moving average that would reflect shifting parameters.
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Example 1: Build. slender, slender, slender, slender, average, slender, average, average, +few #s, average, +few #s, +few #s, ... The cumulative data clearly shows a trend that she is putting on some weight.  They can post that as a moving average or a histogram of opinions, etc.
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Example 2: CBJ, CBJ, CBJ, BBBJ-noCim, CBJ, BBBJ-noCim, BBBJ-spit, BBBJ-spit, CBJ, BBBJ-spit, BBBJ-swallow, BBBJ-spit...  It appears that she started out CBJ but started to make the move to BBBJ, maybe for business reasons or the sheer pleasure of it all. A histogram shows the actual distribution and a single swallow could be an outlier or even a mistake (reviewer's mistake or her mistake to forget to spit!).  
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Yes, I think the autopopulated Review Forms should still be editable by reviewers to more accurately reflect current appearance and current performance.

Posted By: charliedrake

In the new format it doesn't seem to allow for updating certain info in a new review for existing providers...can't update pricing, add new sex acts (such as anal, or bi or multiple guys, etc), can't add new websites....most frustrating is the inability to update pricing and sex acts.

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