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Wow obama is changing I cant bash him, he is lowering taxes (eom)
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...he's been lowering taxes since he's been elected. That's why the economy still sucks.

Why do you think raising taxes helps, it's less money we have to spend.  Obama is not a good leader because corporate america does not like him, they are very unsure of him.  What they can see they don't like.

Corporate America likes Obama a lot more (despite their rhetoric) than they did FDR. And FDR created more jobs than any other President in US history. And unlike Obama, FDR actually threw corporate executives in jail.

Raising taxes helps in all sorts of ways. But before I tell you why, take note that raising top marginal income taxes has NEVER FAILED to stimulate the economy, increase GDP growth, and lower unemployment.

However, lowering top marginal income taxes has resulted in bubble economies that lead to major crashes each and every time. A major tax cut in the early 20's was followed by the Republican Great Depression of 29. The major tax cuts of the early and mid 80's was followed by the stock market crash of 87. And the Bush tax cuts were followed by The Great Recession.

Once we're in agreement doggy that this is, in fact true, then I can explain why this is the case.


Doggy, it is a logical fallacy to say that because B follows A, it doesn't necessarily mean that A caused B. Some other factor could have played a more major part. This is always the case with economics.

But consistant and repeated results should lead us to some basic conclusions. Below is a graph that tracks tax rates decade by decade to economic performance in the same time period. I took a look at decade long numbers because it helps to see the overall trend, it helps eliminate those outside X factors, and since most Presidencies come in 8 year spans, one can gage one set of polices with another.

I'll let you make your own conclusions.  

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Here is a graph that shows the share of income among the top 1% compared to the bottom 80%. Take note that they seem to have inverse relationships. As one goes up the other goes down, and vice versea.

Consumer spending is some 70% of all demand in the US economy. What does this graph tell you will happen to consumer spending if tax rates are lowered on the wealthy?

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Here is a graph showing federal revenues verses expenses after the last three major tax cuts (one in '81, one in 86, and one in '03.

Note that the typical conservative talking point is that cutting taxes stimulates the economy, leading to more economic activity, which results in more total tax receipts. Or as I like to call it, an idiotic theory that Art Laffer drew on a napkin.

But regardless of what I think of it, look at what actually happened when those tax cuts went into place.

There will be no democrats in office.its not by choice but out of desperation. If obama can he would screw,us, but he cant because the protectors of constitution wont let him. Tea party is alive and well and we all know who is leader,, alaska finest. So nice to have all these liberals threading water.so ww,pripous,ben,gagambler, can stick it we know where. Obama is doing this only to win,another election, rem em ber tea party people, to all people forget democrats, switch to tea party

...to the continuation of the Bush era tax cuts for top earners. A larger number would prefer no tax cuts at all be extended than give the rich extra tax breaks.  

Obama will find that he's more desperate come 2012.

Willy   Tax increases are crazy.  Do you want to pay more taxes????  Maybe you're not in the top tax bracket, when you go from $350 yearly to $150 yearly it hurts alot and the last thing I want to hear is that I have to give more up.  Maybe you're a federal worker who is getting a benefit from more taxes.  The housing bubble was caused by Clinton setting the rules so everyone could get a mortgage.  All kinds of idiots received huge mortgages that they couldn't pay and on top of that the trading market is now so complex that almost no one understands it but everyday Joes try to play in it and get their asses handed to them.
Look if you really want a tax then here is one for you:  Only give a 50% tax deduction on labor that is outsourced outside of the US.  Just like your M&E deduction.  
Also, these gov jobs and programs that are being developed get taken advantage of once you know how to work the system.

"Do you want to pay more taxes????"

If it's wasted on the Pentagon, no. But if it's used to open up a drug rehab center so I don't have to worry about my car stereo being stolen, then I'd be happy to pay more. If it fills some pot holes, then I'd be happy to pay more. If it improves public transportation resulting in a shorter commute and more leisure time, then I'd be happy to pay more. Why wouldn't you?

"Maybe you're not in the top tax bracket, when you go from $350 yearly to $150 yearly it hurts alot"

350 (I assume you mean 350k) isn't the top tax bracket. At 350k you're taxed at 33%, and that's before exemptions and write offs. In other words, it don't hurt that much. You know what does hurt? The fact that 1 in 4 children are going to bed hungry tonight in the richest country in the world.

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