Every once in a while I decide I want to get some homegrown pussy, then I read things like $300 special. Are they fu**ing kidding? It's only pussy, not gold. How many guys on this board make $300 in an hour or two. And if you finish your work early get to send the client home early, and still get paid in full? It's only pussy!!
For the same $300 you can fly to San Diego, take the trolly to Tijauna (I do not recommend driving, as you most likely will be very drunk, and even if you are not, you do not want to drive in Mexico), spend 2 full days and nights, have 3-5 different chicas, all 9's or 10's, many of them will be multishots, most speak english, stay drunk if you like for two days, and still come home with change from your $300!
This is not a bash on Arizona providers. If you can get $300 for pussy, do it! It is a bash on the guys who pay $300 for pussy.
Lets just break this down into logical terms. Don't forget I live in SD and know a little about TJ.
Flight from PHX Sky Harbour(best deal) ........... $125.00
Round Trip Trolly ride from SD-TJ ................ $10.00
Hotel in one of Zona Norte Hotels ................ $50.00/night
Each Pretty Chica from TJ (Adelates) ............. $70.00each
Food (Dollar tacos) .............................. $5.00
Alcohol at any of the Brothel clubs .............. $60.00
Having to explain to your wife or SO why you
want to goto TJ for a few days, and you end up
drunk and in jail. ............................... All your furniture, the house the car, the kids, and half your paycheck for life.
AZ Has the most beautiful/intelligent/warm/loving women in all of the country. Why go anywhere else? Your trip to TJ, (while it would be exciting) will cost you a lot more than 300 for more than one night. The AZ girls are made of gold from what I see.
Cheers!
Kyliesd
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Very well said. I live in San Diego too and I for one am a little annoyed from the repeated bleating from the “mongers” who frequent TJ. If you can't afford the hobby either find another one of get a second job!
The Az ladies look fine to me too!
I have read this type of protest post on other boards. And what the gentlemen do not seem to understand is the fact that living and working in mexico is much less expensive than living and working in the USA.
Your $300.00 companion here in the US, has to pay US prices for her car, house, clothes, taxes, etc. Plus, with all the LE activity she needs to be sure she can ask for references, pay for advertising, pay for travel and all the other business expenses that she has. Working for a brothel in mexico, these girls are paid a small amount of money for their services (the house absorbs the majority of your $70.00), live on site, have no business expenses and also have no legal entanglements with the local law. Even if brothels were legal here in AZ as they are in Nevada, the price for a companion could never be $70.00. The cost of operating such a business here in the USA, would far exceed what it costs to run a cat house in Mexico.
Its just symantics, do an actual cost of living comparison between Mexico and the US, and you will see that it is much less expensive south of the border. You get what you pay for here in the US. There are providers who charge less than $300.00 and there are those that charge more. It's free enterprise, it's the united states. If no one was paying that $300 these fine ladies would be out of business, and obviously they are not reducing rates to gain more clientel. IMHO, there are many great providers here in AZ that charge rates or run specials that fit almost every hobbiests budget. You just need to look. Don't slam those who can afford caviar,enjoy caviar, and pay for caviar, just because you would rather eat a taco and incur travel fees just to do it, at less than half the price.
TAXES, yea right. ive had better 100 pussy in Az than the 300-400 that u call cavair. Overhead, u dont know what overhead is. TAXES roflmfao. LIAR LIAR LIAR.
I agree. 300 thats funny ill bet the telephones are ringing off the hook.
Why is all the 300 pussy traveling?
Even if you get a flight special (Southwest recently was about $80 RT between SD & Phoenix), this scenario just doesn't apply to so many hobbyists. Hell, I LIVE in SD, and I would rather spend my $$$ on SD's finest (no pun intended, those of you in blue out there), as well as the occasional LA or Phoenix gal (and Phoenix gals are damned hot, judging by this board and the sweethearts I have talked to and met), than deal with the logistics, the dirt, and the surrealism of TJ. To each his own, but we are not talking apples to apples here. Not all of us are excited about TJ, so it isn't just a price issue. My best friend in high school lived in the La Mesa section of TJ, so I have seen enough of it to last me a lifetime, thank you very much.
Now, Phoenix ladies...those I HAVEN'T seen enough of!
Great posts by our lovely Kylie, as well as by the guys I have read so far.
3 days/2 nights in TJ will cost you alot more than $300 (at least if you do it right). As far as the rest of the argument goes you've left a few variable's out. Pricing is for 30 minutes...
$40-60 at AD's + 10+1 for room
$50-70 at CC + 12+1
Tough to get MSOG in 30 minutes, most of the gals dont speak good english and are far from GFE...(this comes from 100+ gals over 10+ yrs in TJ and Nogalas). That being said it's a great roadtrip if your so inclined.
You also leave out the cost of YOUR time. Often that is the most important variable in the equation. I used to see Jordan Kay at least 2-3 times a month for a good 6-8 months...it wasn't her "cost" that forced me to back off....but the 3+ hours that I lost each time from the middle of my day.
As was pointed out elsewhere you can't expect US quality and south of the border prices. The real key is to find a quality provider (or a few) who you like and let things evolve. There are a number of great options out there for less than $300.
Trying to compare TJ vs any quality provider here is like comparing TexasRoad House to Mortons...yea they both serve steak but you can certainly tell which is which. I used to take 2-3 trips a year to Rio/B.A...certainly the best mongering in the world (IMO)...average cost per "session" $135. $1500 (trip cost) + 18 girls (3 x 6 days) at $60 average. If you factored in my time then the price would climb to more than double that. You take a roadtrip for the adventure...not the savings
Phoenix has many fine ladies for 150 - 200. just do your homework guys.
I have actually had many a chica in Mx and in many parts of Mx. I have never gone down for that expressed purpose but have usually partaken when with friends that are. One most south of the border mongers call a good experience is generally not what I would consider a prime experience. Actually my best experiences were with non pro's I have met. While very beautiful women are pretty easy to find general they are 18-20 and if they are still beautiful they are very inexperienced. I've been getting ruined locally as of this last year because my taste buds have experiencing some really prime experience and anything else would simply be bland. While I won't comment on the cost of activities I will comment that some really primavera horizontal and alternative mombo can be had in the US. Now there are times when a guy might just want a hotdog instead of center cut steak but it is what it is.
Just some thoughts.
I too am a working man and the higher the price the less I can recreate so I try to make ever experience count. My discreationary income is definately limited. But thanks to friends and research I have had some pretty incredible times this last year.
I doubt most locals donate 300+. It aint what ya know, it's who ya know. Do some research, try back channeling (e-mail) people on the boards. Get to know some people. TJ and Nogalas do not interest me nor have i ever been to either.... Now Mazatlan Rocks. 4 chicas, 2 hours, 1 massage table, 6 pack of pepsi lite, 1 cab driver who waits for you, $220 total. I'd rate the chicas 8+ and they dont speak english which is fine by me. The cabbie interpets for me and i always get the same deal 2x per year. I LOVE IT. Now of course the cost of getting there is a couple g-notes but i do love to cruise. Ahhhhh the Love Boat to the house on the hill. PRICELESS
Why is what your fellow hobbyists pay for their pleasure or what the providers charge for their services such a problem for you? Providers have the right to charge whatever they feel their service is worth and the hobbyists have the right to pay ir OR NOT! It's really very simple... go where you can afford to go and pay what you can afford to pay and don't 'bash' anyone because they choose and are able to pay the higher prices. It is definately a case of getting what you pay for and you obviously have much lower standards for satisfaction so TJ works well for you.
Actually the costs are usually:
SWA round trip $75 or less (lots of $29.00 each way specials)
Trolly $4.00 round trip
First Pussy $40.00 + 11.00 room
Alcohol $3.00 a beer, lots of 2 for ones as well
Second Pussy $40.00 + 11.00 room
Overnighter with room $100.00 (as many shots as you can get up for)
Last Pussy $40.00 +$11.00 Room
Total cost around $350.00 for two nights, four different women, all 9's or 10's. Cut one pussy, and you are under $300.00. Cut it down to one day and you can get laid 3 times for around $225.00.
why do the women who work in this industry have to be refered to as "pussy" (by some men, not all), maybe I am way to sensitive...or I just haven't been jaded enough. I think it is demeaning, there are far better discriptive words to use, that cover the working girl, unless you really do see women as nothing but a single body part.
Maybe it's me, maybe I need to re adjust my rose colored glasses, but I would hope that most out there enjoy the whole woman and the experience of being with a well rounded, educated, english speaking, sensitive woman who cares about her clients and doesn't just think of them as just a penis, although some seem to live up to the euphamisms.
~M~
BBW, sorry as much as the truth hurts, to the vast majority of your clients, you are nothing but a mouth, pair of hands, ass, and PUSSY. You may be a better mouth, pair of hands, ass, and PUSSY than your competition, but if you quit tomorrow, virtually none of your clients would become pen pals. Virtually all will find another provider within a week of when they would have seen you. Again I am not saying all, just the vast majority.
Mafia, c'mon do you really believe that $200-$300 is reasonable for an hour when the average income in Arizona is less than $15 an hour. Talk about cost-of-living?????? How much taxes do you declare on your illegal business? Overhead? While this sarcasm is not directed at you personally, is the overhead the tattoos, boob jobs, or the botox? As far as slamming ther provivers, I think I made it very clear the the providers can and should pay whatever they can get. I am not saying that the provider should lower their rates. I am asking clients why they pay the huge prices for providers? Why they are blowing 10 or more hours pay for pussy? And then feel they need to tip????
When we had the semi-legal cathouses in Arizona about 15 years ago as many will remember, the price for admission was around $20, blow was an additional $20, pussy was $30, 1/2-1/2 was $40. They were in unincorporated Maricopa County, and they did have overhead, paid taxes, paid for advertising, and had the same LE fears. Inflation is not that high that $60 turns into $200-300.
Yes, you are 100% correct about the cost-of-living in Mexico. it is much lower. Not quite to the extreme you described, but much lower than here. And the difference is not as great at the border towns. The more south you go, the more pronounced it is. Fact is that for the Mexican nationals who can get the proper paperwork, they do the majority fo their shopping in the US. So there is little difference in their cost-of-living.
As far as the my reviews, I stopped doing reviews a long time ago as I thought it was a form of privacy invasion. I will now only write a review if I get ripped off. Other than that, I will not violate the providers privacy.
From the sounds of your negativity, it seems you don't really like women very much. No wonder you have to go south of the border for companionship because I can't see any self-respecting women allowing herself to be graced with your presence.
So why exactly are you still hobbying? You don't seem to be enjoying yourself!
You can ramble on all you want about the good ol' days (and 'pussy prices') but the fact is women 'have come a long way, baby' and we don't need to put up with being treated like 'pussy' if we don't choose to. I personally think that any man who thinks of providers as just 'pussy' should have to pay more for it because they have to put up with that attitude.
The days of the obedient, subservient, insecure and dependant woman are long gone for the most part. (Sure, a few still allow others to make them feel worthless or unworthy...but they're the minority.) There's no reason for any of us to have to settle for what someone tells us we're worth...including you.
Face it... pussy is power, whether you like it or not. It will always be wanted and always be needed and whether you date it, marry it or 'rent' it....you pay. Dating and marrying it can usually cost a whole lot more than renting it ;o)
Very well stated. Thank you!!!
I've never found more than 1 maybe 2 "9"'s in any club in TJ at the same time. It's not uncommon to a lot of solid 7-8's. As for pricing, either the market turned sinced late 2002 (last trip to TJ) or your awful good with them since you cant pull a 8-9 from CC for less than $50 with $60-70 as the "gringo stupido" rate. $100 overnight has to be from 2am or later otherwise you'd have to pay a bar fine in CC or AD. Last time I was there even the AD rate had crept to $50-60. I speak a little spanish had a hard time getting any of the AD gals to $40 (so I bailed). Easily 150 guys to 60 gals at 8pm on a Tuesday night. CC was less crowded than I'd remembered (but was early) got an hour for $70 (double room charge though) with a little cutie (tipped the door guy $5) and got about 90+ minutes (3 bells 3 ports of call). Ended up giving her a C note (she didnt ask). Had to turn down a TLN with her and her amiga (8am meeting in SD).
Anyway, based on my own experiences most guys would be hard pressed to meet either the economics or quality of gals you seem to have experienced there (I'm assuming these are club gals and not street hookers, since you get no TLC from the street gals). It's pretty easy to cut 1 maybe 2 cuties from the herd but to knock down 4-5 top quality experiences in TJ is awful rare.
The point I was trying to make is that the providers deserve every penny that their clients pay.
It is like when everyone bashes (that word again) athletes for making millions for playing a game. It is not the players fault. The owners pay the huge salaries. It is their fault not the players. Same as the provider/client relationship.
With an attitude like yours it is amazing that you can find anyone not in TJ willing to see you.
Learn to appreciate what is being loaned to you by these lovely ladies and maybe you might have a better time.
You guys just looking for a piece just don't get it.
If you don't like the rates go find yourself a SW and throw down your $20.
The result may be the same, but you are missing a great party.
Just my opinion...
B
Bob you are riding the right wave in this world. You sound happier than coyote, more of a man and are experiencing life with extra added touches to create great experiences and memories!!! Coyote is not looking for the provider experience so no wonder he thinks it is overpriced.
Providers and hobbyists have GREAT times together and great memories...........Most are just like dates with no strings!!!! These secret liasons have sexual energy, like a rockstar date with no strings with a guaranteed lay all within an hour, including atmosphere, music, drinks, conversation, laughing, intense physical activities, all set up to a guy's liking when and where he wants....For this hobbyists pay a price and providers choose to give their reputations (to be successful a girl must give her reputation and yet still try to lead a normal life which can be difficult)(not that I care what society thinks but providers are just viewed differently than other girls). I choose to do this and hobbyists choose to compensate me. I think in the 21st century this is what this industry has evolved into.......not the inflation they were mentioning. Just a newer form of the industry to include date nights. Let's be real here.....a girl cannot do this for a lifelong career so the money she makes during the few years she can do it should be fair enough to equal to what a guy makes over his whole career??
Thanks, Kara,
You're alright yourself!!
It just frosts me when "gentlemen" don't seem to get the fact that there is so much more to this "hobby" than appears.
Contrary to what a lot of people think, it is not "all about sex".
I, for one, give full honors and respect to you ladies in this community for what you allow us.
For without you, we all would be in his position, and that is not a place I want to be.
So, once again I say, thank you to you and all the other ladies.
You're beautiful, wonderful, and you make us feel young again.
Just my opinion...
B
....you are so feisty!! Great reply, Sweetie!
How about the strawberries & whipped cream now?
nogie that 300 would get you even farther!
Nogo is no where as cheap or safe as TJ. Nogo 'privates' run $22.00 for 5 minutes with an open curtain. You can get 20 minutes for $66.00 with a closed curtain. Then you deal with the girl from there. Usually you can negotiate the whole thing down to about $50-60, but you are in a chair, not a bed, and you are in a closet, not a hotel room. You also are under time pressure. Usually you can get an overnight with a room for around $100 (same as TJ). An overnight is 2AM for around 4-6 hours. As many cups of coffee as you like, Of course all needs to be negotiated beforehand. Remember, unlike the US, all negitiating can (and should) be done before money changes hand.
With the upcoming elections Nogo is clamping down on everything. Even though prostitution is legal, it apparently is not legal in a bar. They are also cracking down on the hustlers that greet you at the border and take you to the bars.
As most of you know Nogo PD is cracking down on pharmaceuticals and trademark infringement as well. I would not suggest Nogo until after the elections.
didnt know about the elections i wont go back till they are over! when i went i did the overnight had a great time and i only spent 150 hence my even cheaper remark.
You can do an overnight for around $100 in TJ. Of course, it costs more to get to TJ than Nogo. Just need patience. Need to wait until areonmd 2am. The elections are the first week of August.
I love it when a provider says that someone "hates women" or 'does not respect women" when they say that the provider/client relationship is all about money and pussy. The guy is awful for saying "its only pussy" but ladies, how many of you would continue to see all your clients if they did not continue to pay? Yes that is a rediculous question.
The provier/client relationship is a business deal. Nothing more than pussy for money. Just like you ladies will no longer see the client without the money, the client will no longer see the provider without pussy (or whatever form of pleasure they pay for). So ladies, stop saying that men hate women who admit they are only paying you for pussy. The men seldom said that you hate men because you only fuck for the money.
but I just had to come out of retirement for this one.
In your opinion it's all about pussy and money, but I can honestly say it's about spending good quality erotic times (with someone different than my wife) with explosive results, whether I get "pussy" or not.
Other wise, why wouldn't we all just want the girls that just lay there. The girls that do the best, do so because they are the best at what they do. otherwise we wouldn't keep spend money on them for the privelege.....and it is a privelege.
(now I'll be crawling back under my rock.)
I agree and you are making my point. You are paying good money for good pussy. If you were not going to get laid would you still spend the money? If she just laid there whould you not end up paying someone else? (Again, a business decision).
It really is not only pussy, but the whole erotic act, but it still is all about the money/service. Like I asked before, which provider would continue with all her clients if she were not getting paid. Which clients would continue to pay the provider if the act were not there. It is not spiritual, it is not about love or friendship, it is a business transaction between two consenting adults.
And BTW I do treat providers with the respect and would never violate the agreed upon rules. That would be bad business on my part.
I can honestly say that that's not always the case. I have had ladies just be a companion for me. Some have spent time on the phone with me after we determined there was not going to be a date and we just bs'd and some have just gone to lunch without getting paid for it and not really knowing me from anywhere but from my posts here.
You honestly sound jaded by someone or something and don't believe that these women are any longer people but just money hungry sex machines. yes, they use their bodies to make a living, but it's what's in their heads that makes them real.
I'm sure I missed what this was really about, but I think you are way past a positive spin.
Hey BuckNekked
If you know of providers that will date us for free, could you please let us know who they are?
Thanks
Eggman
Probably the city with the best rate structure is Houston.Study this market and what you will find is excellent service at a price point that will bring many more clients to the providers.There are many potential clients out there.