ZZ,
I definitely do agree with you about the top 100, and that even then, a majority of them are not viable options for most of us. I'm a newbie overall in the hobby, but I am quickly able to identify a great provider by looking for familiar reviewers as you say, and also easily know when to hold off on a provider whose reviewers are not as legit. With these challenges combined with my own pickiness, providers who don't write me back, and other providers who refuse to see me because I'm under 35 (I'm 27), I've narrowed my list of providers down quite a bit of who I truly feel is someone I want to meet. With all this in mind, even with my list narrowed down to around 10 providers, and checking the new reviews and ads every day for new girls to add to my list, it's still a tough task financially for me to enjoy the company of all the women I would like to meet, better yet often enough, as Micktoz said. Maybe that's because of my age and early stages in my career, but I would be perfectly happy seeing one or two awesome providers regularly if the pickings were truly slim like in smaller cities. For those of us who thrive on variety and not repeating, I can understand the frustration, but I think we should remember we have it much better than many other cities and we do get plenty of visiting providers during the good weather. If all of this isn't enough, we aren't far from LA, LV, or SD. One could even move there, but all your hobby money would go to rent. In the end, we may not have a ton, but we have a strong top group that any one of us from newbie like me to a sage veteran, can trust will show them an amazing time.Just curious what others think of the supply of ladies available in the Phx metro area. In a metro area of 4.2 MILLION people I am really surprised how few ladies are available..
If you look at the P ad site there are only 300ish providers. Even if you comb the top 100 on this site there are many, many that are not very active and do not do much work. Once you get past a certain number most are almost anonymous and many are not what most consider good, quality providers. I realize not everyone reviews and not everyone advertises but I am often surprised by the lack of available choices. I notice many new faces come and go on BP and most would not be "safe" for the discerning gentleman. It seems once a girl gets some good, quality reviews from known people the same group of suspects makes their turn. Yet in a City of 4 million plus I would think there would be a large enough number of male counterparts to make it feasible for more ladies to do this.
If you look at the main website(this one), the popular, highly rated ladies seem to see the same group of gentlemen have been there and gone. Of ladies I have seen I can cross reference myself and recognize the same handful of names who have also been there on most of the ladies.
I have seen a couple churn and burn types who seem to be as busy as they want to be initially until the "rush" wears off and then they disappear or reinvent themselves. I've also seen some of the most highly rated ladies. Two in the top 20 have recently told me they hadn't had another appt in two weeks. It wasn't because they were purposely "low volume" but they said they just haven't had many inquiries lately...(I know this could be a line but I knew from one who hadn't logged into P for several weeks and how she had to "borrow" for rent money from a family member that it was probably true).
So what do you think providers and hobbyists?? Is it a market driven economy here where supply and demand evens itself out or is there an oversupply or undersupply of hobbyists and/or ladies?
.... to see all the ladies i want to see, as often as I want to see them.
ZZ,
I definitely do agree with you about the top 100, and that even then, a majority of them are not viable options for most of us. I'm a newbie overall in the hobby, but I am quickly able to identify a great provider by looking for familiar reviewers as you say, and also easily know when to hold off on a provider whose reviewers are not as legit. With these challenges combined with my own pickiness, providers who don't write me back, and other providers who refuse to see me because I'm under 35 (I'm 27), I've narrowed my list of providers down quite a bit of who I truly feel is someone I want to meet.
With all this in mind, even with my list narrowed down to around 10 providers, and checking the new reviews and ads every day for new girls to add to my list, it's still a tough task financially for me to enjoy the company of all the women I would like to meet, better yet often enough, as Micktoz said. Maybe that's because of my age and early stages in my career, but I would be perfectly happy seeing one or two awesome providers regularly if the pickings were truly slim like in smaller cities. For those of us who thrive on variety and not repeating, I can understand the frustration, but I think we should remember we have it much better than many other cities and we do get plenty of visiting providers during the good weather. If all of this isn't enough, we aren't far from LA, LV, or SD. One could even move there, but all your hobby money would go to rent.
In the end, we may not have a ton, but we have a strong top group that any one of us from newbie like me to a sage veteran, can trust will show them an amazing time.
Well Redsox, you seem intelligent for your age... hmmm you got me thinking the age thing since I'm one of the ones that requests 30 yrs or over. I will make an update on my site to add there are exceptions and will be visiting soon.
I'm with Mick when it comes to budget! As far as ladies go I haven't noticed that there is anything missing. I enjoy sampling so I don't repeat too often. I have been with ladies in every part of the top 100 list and many who aren't on the list yet because they don't have enough reviews. I have seen ladies who are UTR here and ladies who are traveling through. So with all that I still have a lengthy list that will take me a long time to complete. But I intand to have a damn good time working at it. There may be a per capita issue but that certainly hasn't translated to a lack of providers in my book.
JC
How do I find these UTR ladies?
Meet and greets are good for meeting ladies. Very often I will meet with a provider who might mention they have a friend who is UTR. Other websites that are UTR and require membership. Luck!
I've been a valley hobbiest for 10 years and count myself lucky to live in an area where we have so many wonderful ladies.
Certainly can't speak for anyone but me. But I know that some of us have full-time careers outside of this happy endeavor and while this is a fun distraction and definitely a side profession that I take seriously, it does sometimes play second or third fiddle to other priorities. Unless of course we're actually on a date. In which case I'm giving all my attention to the fiddle I'm with! Lol!!!! 
- London Paige
Paige can I be your fiddler
Lol!!!! Duh!! Yes please!
- L
Wow I didn't know you were even available. Wood luv to meet you - PM me so we can arrange please.
Hi! I'd love to but for some reason it's not letting me PM. I think since they updated this website it's not linking my provider membership all the way. I sent in a help ticket. Anyway, I think you can write me back here. Or you can email me directly. All my contact info is on my website and over at P411. Link to the site is below. Please write me though! I'd love to set something fun up! Have a great day!! 
Its summer in Arizona I would think most of the women that do this full time that don't have another job or family are going to travel. I agree with London there are many that have other gigs so they are low volume, selective, and have other things going on. I know I personally have found that there are a few girls I really connect with and stick with them and that is more of concern because of LE. Due to LE concerns I think many of the well established providers will stick with people they know or have a large quantity of reviews for their security as well.
There used to be a lot of great girls in Phoenix years ago, but many good girls left after desert divas went down. Arpio was turning the screws and girls said fuck Phoenix. Agency's don't last long here. The best girls always move to make more money in markets that support rates well over $400 an hour, or because they just don't like it here (or simply retire). There has been a vacuum of girls to replace them I've noticed too and it's been that way for years. There are some great providers here, but not an abundance at all anymore and the best girls are charging LA/NY rates, which pretty much excludes them for me. (and they're not readily available to boot). $700+ goes too quick in 60 minutes for me. I started being patient and watching the ad boards for girls that are my type/highly reviewed traveling to Phoenix when I want variety. These are really hot girls charging our market price of $400-$500 that I can afford, and it's actually easier to book with girls that travel because they have to cover the cost of the trip.
Arpio has not been the problem in the last 10 years or so after all his massage cases were tossed when his guys had too much fun. The problem is huge grants to LE from the "women are all victims" group and the coalition led by Ms McCain and former governor resulting in all the stings and arrests. All by local LE and the periodic FBI task forces.
Many of the good old days gals are getting older - gee like us. And retiring or have moved not willing to risk the legal issues. A young batch of new gals is flooding in their 20's and see why sexwork is any big deal. But they are naive about the legal risks.
Busts have seemed to slow down in 2017 but there are still zillions of felony cases still in the courts. Phoenix PD and other agencies have a huge staff shortage and maybe they are allocating more manpower to real crime with actual criminals vs in private consenting adults.
Prices are outrageous, however - I have no interest in paying over $200 /hr and don't have a huge need and my interests are not the usual stuff so hard to find reviews that hint at my more sensual intimacy interests more than just sex. I hope to find some matches in Phoenix for companionship but my desires are mostly satisfied by my 10-day trips to Toronto with a huge number of beautiful intelligent companions mostly in their 20s with the great agencies at $200/hr or less. I am off to Canada again in a few weeks. Then have to go to Washington D.C for a business meeting.
The women who are cautious are not going to prance around with sandwich signs saying what a good toss in the rack we are. We sit and wait. Sooner or later your morning wood will head in the direction it needs to. Until then, spread the love. You have someone you want to see on a regular basis, ask if a conversation is possible. Stipends are nice. Or...make your bucket list, and your alias bucket list, and go test drive as many as you can. You will never see a no hitter in this ballgame.
I agree with pretty much what's already been stated so far. Many phenominal ladies here, that I can not afford. The top 100 list, etc., seem to drive prices up even higher. Being a single dad, my priorities always seem to override my hobbies and play time. And being responsible and living within my means is just my reality.
I would absolutely love to see these great ladies in the 5 to 8 range, but it's just not gonna happen.
I've seen some great providers within my price range and never have I been disappointed.
My favorite amp is 230 for a hot shower, great massage and fs with a new gal pretty much every time. And they usually get me right in (pun intended)...lol. It is hard for me to have the time for screening and hoping that a lady's schedule fits mine. I usually only have 1 night out every 2 to 3 weeks, so my free time is extremely valuable to me.
Bp seems to have a shit ton of smoking hot babes lately, but it's to sketchy for me. I won't waste my $ and my one night out on a risky deal.
If I could find a provider with a golden pussy, and was willing to rent it to me for a bronze or silver price, then we could both win.
I do know that you get what you pay for, but an hour goes by to damn fast....
PM me that AMP please lol
Pm for special
Yes, PM that AMP name and location too. Can't get much better than a massage and FS! Men enjoy being pampered too!
The rate of escorts to clients is very low. In a town of 4.5 million I wouldn't think 300-500 active girls would be enough. Anyone have a legitimate guess or statistic on the number or percentage of guys that partake in this on a regular basis? The ladies would seem to have a better guess. Looking at reviews the same guys see all the top girls.
According to to the Maricopa county 2016-2017 population census, there are just below 1.9 million males in the county, and about 1.25 million of them are between the ages of 18-75, and about 850,000 are between 30 and 65, which is the most likely group to be hobbyists, so let's just compromise and say there are 1 million potential hobbyists. I'd venture to say due to finances, sticking to civvie girls, ignorance of some kind, some form or moral objection, or any other factors that keep guys away from this world, that at the very least 95% of that 1million are not hobbyists, so that leaves 50k men, and even that seems high given at least by how many users there are on TER. From researching within 50 miles of Los Angeles County which has the most girls and the most people besides NYC, for any and all girls with 1 review in the last 12 months, there are almost 2000 providers, and that includes those who have reviews from touring there, which is probably pretty significant. Given the size of LA, I don't think we're really that far off in a per capita sense. As others have said, maybe due to providers retiring or moving away from Phoenix, that it seems like we don't have as much to choose from. I think we have it pretty good, but of course it could be better. At least we're not the guys who have to drive a few hours just to get to a city that even has a TER page...
Aww, finally some math. I like it. My guess goes like this. Roughly 500 gals in the Phx metro area working..Each probably needs 5 visits a week to make it worthwhile. I know some do way more and some way less. I figure the average guy sees one person a month..yes, some way more and some way less. So there needs to be 10,000 appts a month for the average escort to earn a decent living. So at 1 visit a month there would have to be 10,000 hobbyists in this area to sustain a market of 500 ladies..When the population wanes here, economy or seasonal, an equal percentage of ladies probably travel or have to struggle to keep up their averages.
The ladies on here would have the best idea of how many guys participate overall. That would involve how many guys a week they see or how many legit inquiries they get. Most ladies would give up their first born before they admit how many people they see..That seems to be one of the big secrets in the business. Don't look behind the curtain at the Wizard of Oz. Illusion is better than reality.
If most low-mid high price range ladies have an assembly line of patrons rolling through the incall every day the market can support many more girls. If the typical price range ladies are hearing crickets, running constant specials and barely getting by then there are too many ladies providing the same service. Ladies, how is business? Too many providers or not enough in this area? Resist the urge to say there is no more room for new ladies for fear of losing business.
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More good math! I'm not sure if the ladies will answer such questions, but I'm very interested!
The rest of us were busy getting laid.
LMAO!!! Sorry, that was too funny. But have to say, nerds are hot. Seriously. But also, just to add, girls travel. So do you boys. The math isn't taking that into account. You might be surprised at the percentage of clients are out of towners.
Do those ol snowbirds like to hobby??
Are summers busy or slower?
Just wondering. 😎
My first encounter with a provider was in December several years ago. She told me she needed to rent an in call apartment before the "season" started. I was thinking basketball, football what season are we talking about. She told me the snowbird season. The ladies are busiest February through April from all the old guys. The gray hairs come down from the Midwest and back East and are in hooker heaven trying to get it in while they still can. That's why many ladies have to run their specials and travel during the summer. Gotta love Phoenix and old men🤓
What percentage do you think are out of Towners?
What percentage do you think are out of Towners?
So I would say the amount of out of women I see that are out of towners is almost 100% for this reason. I had to adapt to get what I wanted for what I could afford. There is a season for me too. I don't see a wide variety of ladies traveling to Phoenix when its 100+ degrees here between June and September. But I do see an abundance of traveling girls after the summer heat passes to just before Christmas and then again after new year's thru late spring.
As a provider and new to the hobby it seems really hard for me to get clients. I'm so sick of getting stood up even by verified members! Im sick of time wasters, it really gets me out of the mood. Hopefully this changes soon.
Good vibes xo
I am sorry to hear you get stood up. That is not cool. I hope it gets better and I'll be sending you positive vibes. I think Phoenix is a good place overall to hobby (at least from a client's perspective).
This adds a new dimension to the math equation. If Lexi is getting stood up by us guys, and she is as awesome as they get, then what does it say about us??
That everyone Is different. If anyone gets blown off, outside of circumstances out of ones control, someone wasn't that into the other. I know for a fact if someone really wants to see someone they don't flake out or make excuses. Friends, civi relationships or working relationships. No one walks from opportunities to be with those they 'want' to be with.
People want what they want that's it. Lots of guys like K girls, but there are none here really. No abundance. Some guys like Barbie dolls. Last I checked there was a few here, most charching $700 + so again, they're here, but not in abundance.
Just because some guys don't love providers that other guys do doesn't say anything but he wanted something else. I liked jJenner's comments. I believe that
Sorry you are having this problem here Lexy. It wasn't always like that here sweetie and lets hope things will change.
especially if we want to keep you beautiful ladies here in the Valley.
The only reason I'm blowing the dust off of TER is because my buissness has been lacking since moving to Phoenix. I'm from Houston where the hobbyist/provider community is booming!
I know I am a quality provider so I do t even question what I started doing wrong, this is simply a dead zone in the industry. I can't wait until I can save for a roadtrip tour anywhere but Phoenix.
I find there is a lack of both hobbyist and providers. I also noticed no agencies have survived to this point. I'm not quite sure if they are 'sting' related, poor management, or simply the lack of demand.
Independent providers in my experience don't put a lot of value into references from agencies. So I never use them because I can't hobby enough to allow a laps of quality references for too long. Besides that agencies are easier for LE to monitor. The girls are usually young and often foreign. I wonder if they are trafficked. I always avoid agencies and seek out beautiful independent women. I'm not sure how many other guys agree with my statements but that's a few reasons that I just don't use agencies
I hope it picks up for you. I didn't see any ads for your services but see from your reviews that your clients appreciate you!
From my experience (and as a client) I think there are a lot of providers but also recognize that LE chased away a lot of business, especially from the quality agencies that were were. Looking at recent reviews it would seem that there is a lack of reviewed providers in the 8's or above who are not over $300/hour. Prices have definitely gone up in the last couple of years while the reviews seem to be less favorable. I think they are "enough" providers in the $400+ range and if a client is looking for a "6" on a TER rating. Otherwise, there is not "enough".
Expand your radius if possible. If 350-400 is the new standard in Phoenix for marginal providers, Los Angeles has a quality supply of providers that deliver good value.
If you look at The main advertising sites I have either seen or recognize and know the " name" of most legit, established ladies. If there was a large enough supply this wouldn't be the case. Most of the quality, legit ladies I have either seen, communicated with or decided long ago I wasn't interested for one reason or another. Even on a quick bp scroll I recognize and know most of the legit ladies and who is a random, non reviewed, non established fake, rob, no go or short timer.
Even the top 100 in Phx, many in the bottom 50 aren't even what most would consider quality or even attractive in many cases. Several I have seen on that end are lucky to be in the business at all. If unattractive, heavy(sloppy heavy), older, lower end type ladies can still do well that also shows the market can support many new girls that are quality both physically and as a person.
Most of us that do this consistently have seen the same couple dozen " must see" girls. Then you have to start in on traveling girls or take chances on some newer girls. Would be nice if there was a larger supply of legit, fresh faces as opposed to us all swimming in the same community 🏊 pools. Wear that life vest..)
Very interesting topic and one that not may can comment on with credibility.
However, there are several angles in which to gauge: 1) Compared to other markets, how does Phoenix stack up? 2) What has happened to donation rates over the past 15 years here in Phoenix?
Dave upthread, called it right on: You can't beat Toronto, not today with favorable currency exchange rates, and not 5 years ago when the exchange rate was "even money". The Supply/Demand in Toronto favors the hobbyist by a very wide margin. Here on this side of the border, there have been markets that have experienced cycles. I don't profess to know all markets, but having been well travelled in many of the market, there have been very good days in places like Atlanta, Houston and my personal favorite, Dallas. But they have all experienced cycles and none of the aforementioned are at their peak, from my point of view. As any provider will tell you, this is a very tough business with many flaky people on both sides of the equation. When disciplined, reliable adults can connect , then it becomes a beautiful partnership.
As an aside, markets I have always avoided: Las Vegas and Los Angeles. However, recently, Los Angeles because of Supply/Demand issues has been a much improved market for hobbyists. Admittedly, I'm basing this off a very small sample size, but it is an interesting trend that based comparatively to the Phoenix market, it provides a broader community of providers at a reasonable/comparable level.
Dave upthread, called it right on: You can't beat Toronto, not today with favorable currency exchange rates, and not 5 years ago when the exchange rate was "even money". The Supply/Demand in Toronto favors the hobbyist by a very wide margin. .
I did zillions of reviews most folks know where, but since my interests are more intimacy none are "juicy" enough to post on TER, and very hard to find in Phoenix my type for an hourly price am willing to pay.
I just wish we would win in the current suit for Injunctive relief at the 9th Circuit so consenting adult companionship could be safer like in Canada, New Zealand, most of Australia, most of Europe etc. Of course one should never make any fee arrangement" for sexual conduct. We just had another conviction - all consenting adults - where the State of AZ seeks 40 years in prison for an owner and all the gals pled to felonies for probation. Such a sad state of affairs in the U.S.
I comb through Phoenix ads almost daily looking for very specific types. Petite fair skinned slender natural blondes, petite fair skinned Asians with sleeve tattoos, tall nerdy Goth redhead girls with perky big boobs and puffy nipples, Latinas with curly curly hair. It's hard to find very specific types in Phoenix. If they do appear they are visitors with no online footprint of credentials and credibility. Yet in other markets, they are as plentiful as dimes in a dime store. Most girls I see advertising in Phoenix have what I call the Trashy-Kardashi look. This look is not for my tastes. Another indicator of our lack of choices is how rare you see duos offered. Every time I've tried to broker a threesome here, it's turned out poorly. The girls aren't really into each other. IMHO, the whole point of a ménage is everybody does everybody. I've had some fun and haven't broken the bank here, but my more memorable escapades have been in So Cal and Vegas because of the expansive variety of exotic ladies in those markets.
You know this girl? She's exactly who II've been looking for. 😊 Except...for the Bette Midler part, it can't be that song from the movie Beaches - because she might start crying after she cums. Very funny post. Honestly, if I could find a gal that was STD free and whose rate was somewhat reasonable, I'd be all in to play the game.. but there is an element of fantasy to all this sex trade business that shouldn't be dismissed. Finding a provider that offers a unique scarcely available experience, either by their looks or their service, (for me) makes the reward worth the risks.
"petite fair skinned Asians with sleeve tattoos, tall nerdy Goth redhead girls with perky big boobs and puffy nipples"
Picky much?
May as well ask for a lady, real name Claire, who goes by Daisy, who is 5'1 113 lbs with a tattoo of Elvis on her left arse cheek and a queen of hearts deck card tattoo on her outer deltoid, who can only cum if a specific Bette Midler song is being played lightly in the background, on a Tuesday, in springtime.. You're vast selection of options will be about the same..
I saw her, but it was Bette Midler on Wednesday. Get your facts straight or you are going to ruin her career.
hi there
its a gamble and its a world can be a lot to understand !!
on the grind
alley
I am new to the Phoenix area, I am only here when spending time with family.
I saw the math presented above and in honest while it may all be true numbers, I think many other things play a role. By number only, in Manila Hong Kong and Singapore, the number of providers ratio to population is far greater than here. Maybe because its mostly legal, maybe because its a way of life. But I can tell you I know the ratio is 10 times higher there.
Here so there are so many other factors that were just not included. One is acceptable public transportation, another is the density of the population (Phoenix is really a long drive from one end to the other). In American cities like LA or Las Vegas or Chicago, a provider can choose to live in the right area and most of her clients will be within ten miles of where she lives. You can see the density of the population is a factor. I have a friend in Singapore who has been a provider for over 7 years, and she has never been more than 5 Km from her home to see a client. and she is very busy. In Manila I Uber everywhere as I do not drive. In Hong Kong and Singapore its bus and taxi to the train. I have been on the bus here in Phoenix and would never do it again.
In Asia you have providers that have services from low to high, you have the same here. While you should not believe all you hear and the price scams in Asia, its true you can get a bar girl for most if not all the night for $150 USD, (cute sexy girl not fat old lady). Or you can spend $2500 USD or more for an overnight with a true Asian model. Keep in mind that true American GFE services by Asians in the lower price ranges are not to be compared with American GFE standards. This is just as true about Thai providers as it is about any asian provider. Many urban myths exist, and there are exceptions to all rules
In Asia it goes to make sense that most providers are Asian, but there are many Russian, German, UK and even even a few Eurasian. So diversity is also an important role. I don't know much about here, but in Asia, crossing cultures is an issue. In Hong Kong, Chinese men only play with Chinese providers, but that same guy will only play with American or Russian providers in Singapore or Manila. In Manila Americans will only see young asian providers and have little to no interest in anything else. I think there is room for much diversity. Clients have needs and it takes diversity to fill those needs.
I cant speak to standards, or diversity or density with any professional knowledge. I can only speak to what I have seen and lived all my life. Given the population of Phoenix and so much I do not know or understand its just my thoughts. I think there is much room in Phoenix for Providers as long as the diversity of those providers match the needs of the clients.
Finally two simple things. First I can tell you that while I have not found a GF to have duos yet, I have met two wonderful providers you have here. They were gracious, funny and very helpful with some basic Phoenix questions. My family and I are both "new" to Phoenix so I has some non work related questions. Secondly I hope that my post did not seem offensive to anyone as I had no intention of it.
Christine
You sound like a real sweetie and thank you for the well detailed response.
That cross culture thing is interesting. There is one "semi agency" here that only advertises their girls as Chinese. If you ask the girls in person, and if they tell you, its one of many places. Guessing the semi agency has most of their business from Chinese gents who aren't interested in Thai, Vietnamese, Laotian, etc. They are all beautiful to me.
Loved your reply
I have occasion to spend time in the Albany NY area, the capitol of the state of NY, the activity here on TER is almost non existent.
Continuing with the not enough girls opinion. Go to a hotel in Tempe, gives me the exact address when I'm close..and what do I know its the first place I ever saw someone a few years ago. Same hotel and just a few doors down from where I was.
I mention this to her and she asks who? I say the name Bambi (just making up a name here) and tell her she now goes by Candy (another made up name). She says oh is that the Candy who used to be Kitty Bunny (yes made up but close) and I say no....but I had seen the girl formerly known as Kitty bunny that she was referring to also and knew her well....not enough girls. Even they all know each other. Yet another example. Ladies recruit your friends and sisters.
Saw some really good stuff posted above, thought I'd share this. Back in late 2013, we were really trying to understand the market of both hobbyists and providers. Even though a few years has passed, still seems pretty close to the actual experience by many posters here.
Posted 03/2014
Estimating The U.S. Market Size
To properly estimate the potential market size in the Phoenix area, we have to first understand the National market.
There is a U.S. population of 308 million people.
147.6 million of them are adult men over age 18.
- unemployement rate of 8.8%
= 134.6 million, employed, adult men in the U.S.
Between 15% and 20% of men have retained an adult companion once in their lifetime. http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004119#United
Thus, between 20.5 to 29.5 million men have seen an escort once in their life.
NOTE: Most men under-report as they view an affirmative answer as socially unacceptable. Many other studies suggest the percentage to be much greater. Distributing these percentages evenly across the average lifespan of 60 years yields between 341,666 to 492,000 active clients annually which doesn't come even close to the second study below. (When extrapolated down to the local market, it would suggest an average of just 11 appointments per year, per provider - which we know is terribly understated.
Another study estimates total US clients to number between 700k and 1 million men annually (with an average of 2.3 visits per year). http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/04/14/Prostitution-and-the-Escort-Economy
NOTE: This study is heavily skewed to represent ONLY escorts and or clients in the $500+ per hour range. Again, extrapolating out their estimates of market size, the study errantly would suggest there were a mere average of 1.89 appointments per provider, per month. However, we think there may be some merit in the "average" of 2.3 visits annually since it may better accurately account for those who are far less active.
We suspect the more realistic number of active clients to be somewhat more than the 700k-1mm in the second study, and potentially less than the 20-29 million suggested in the first study.
To error in the conservative, we chose to estimate just 10%* of American adult males that are employed, or about 13.5 million and we will NOT use the multiplier of 2.3 visits, to offset any over estimates accidentally made in this calculation.
* NOTE: There was another study that cited 1 in 10 men globally see an escort, in support of our above conclusions. http://www.onlineschools.org/blog/stats-on-prostitution/
The Phoenix Market
There are 4,192,000 people who call the greater Phoenix area their home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale,_AZ_MSA
This represents 1.36% of the US Population.
Thus 1.36% of the 13.5 million, employed, adult, hobbyist men in the U.S. = 183,600 "Phoenix hobbyist sessions" - since we are combining individuals with sessions to be more conservative. (However, applying a 2.3 average annual session frequency to 183,600 would = 79,826 individuals).
If one were to look at the total combined membership & review volume of the local boards (or of 1.37% of the major nationals) this number appears to be well within reason.
According to another study, it revealed a ratio of 23 providers per population of 100,000 people. This means that Greater Phoenix would have about 964 providers - a number that frankly, in all our market research, has never come close. But, again, we will use it to be conservative - resulting in understated estimates. http://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000095
This means that (on average) there is a minimum annual opportunity of 190 sessions provided per year, per provider, or 15.9 sessions per month, or 3.66 sessions per week.
Thus, if a provider delivered 190 sessions at $200 per session, her annual income would be $38,000.
This is an estimated average. According to all our marketing research, we've never been able to accumulate more than 400 provider contacts at any given moment (full and part-time). This reveals that a significant portion of the provider market is providing on a very part-time and perhaps even a casual basis causing the weighted average to dip severely.
When weighting the figures accordingly, most full-time providers should be earning at least $50,000 annually.
This is much more in line with our own experience as a specialty niche provider and our exposure to other providers that we know and have mentored.
Under our new weighted average estimate, the baseline for full-time providers would have at least 250 sessions annually, or about 21 sessions per month or about 5 sessions a week for an annual income of $50,000.
Good research. Thanks for the info. So based on your research can the market support additional ladies?
This is quite a seasonal market and one that favors independent ladies as the agencies all keep getting busted and shut down...Additionally, compared to other major markets nationally...the average rate a provider can charge locally is on average 100-300 less than they could demand in other large markets based on their reviews and rating.
Hence, anyone who can either move elsewhere (or travel extensively) to other markets where they can command more favorable compensation, will do just that. I know of close to a dozen ladies who reside here in AZ, yet refuse to advertise here because they are unwilling to devalue themselves for the local market when they have the ability to simply advertise elsewhere and enjoy their civvy life when not on the road.
Now That's Fkn Brilliant!
Where's there to go besides here ???
By no means, I consider myself a pro at this. But I will add my two cents for what it's worth. I will start by saying that Phoenix has some of the best ladies I have met. I have personally not seen anyone under 35, and I am not that old (34). I prefer quality over quantity. Since most of these ladies have a high price point (around $500), it may limit someone's wallet share as to when or how frequently they can schedule the next appointment. Reviews are great for what they are worth, but let's face it - not all reviews are accurate. Some reviewers are unreasonably critical of the ladies, which either affects sometime how and where they advertise, and certainly affect their bottomline. I started out during my late 20s, and have found out that the most reliable (and wonderful) ladies are the ones who are established, and have been around for a while. Some of us prefer variety, and there's nothing wrong with that. Since Phoenix is a big city and is spread out over several metro areas, it is not uncommon for the ladies to move around. To my knowledge, there has been a significant turnaround in Phoenix among the ladies over last 5-6 years. Weather also plays a big factor. If Eros add were used as a measure, it can be suggested that, many of the ladies your during the summer to get away from the heat, and can we blame them for it? Additionally, social media such a Twitter has transformed the hobby. I was surprised (in a good way) as to how effectively the ladies use it to market and run their business. I agree with the previous comment that Phoenix had it much better than many other cities, including so called 'large cities'.