It hit me today that there is no reason why NYC, Chicago, LA should get better Providers than Cleveland or anywhere else.

One top Provider use to do regular trips to Des Moines, IA because biz was so good there for her.  Fucking Des Moines, IA.  What does that tell you?  Providers will travel to where the biz is good.  Regardless of location!!!!!!!

Do the math.  A woman can only fuck so many guys in one day whether it is in NYC, Cleveland or Mobile, AL.  5 guys a day at $400 a piece is $2K per day in NYC or Cleveland.  (air fare, hotel, etc. not included but still from what I am hearing is not a big deal if enough biz is conducted)

Now granted the price may be a factor but $$$ is $$$ regardless of where you live.  

There is no reason why Cleveland/Columbus/Cincy should not get top notch Providers.  Some of you fucking guys have to stop being so DAMN cheap.  $300-$600 for a gal that will give you anal, swallow, etc. is fa fa fa fucking bargain.    

Read the last 10 reviews for Cleveland.  Dumb ass guys paying $200 for a 6/7.  I would fucking sit home and jackoff to porn BEFORE I paid $200 for 6/7.  I WOULD FUCKING LET A TRANNY BLOW ME BEFORE I PAID $200 FOR A 6/7.  Ok not that but you get the point.  Maybe a really good looking tranny but anyway.  

Note To Providers:  Post your ads ahead of time in order to make $$$$.  Contrary to popular belief most Hobbyists aren't sitting around jacking off waiting for you.  We have lives and it takes time to "get away".  I mean I gotta make a fucking living too.  One month advance notice would be ideal.  Sounds crazy but that is what one Provider did and she told me Cleveland was fucking great for her.

So in conclusion post which Providers (Your Wish List) you would like to see in OH on this board.  Maybe we can generate some interest.

RT's Wish List:

* Calico Lane
* Gina Rollins
* Chloe Boulez
* Bebe doll

 
RT (fucking pissed)

and tell me if that shit makes any fucking sense!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys are fucking wasting $$$.  Look at this shit.

Guys paying $160 or $200 for 5/7 and 6/7.   WTF is with you guys.  Do you not fucking no any better?

You can get 9/9 for $300-$400.  Hint that is 2x the $160 (6/7).  Why are you trading down?

And furthermore you are encouraging this shit.  Rip offs, half a crackhead junkie gals looking for a quick fix.

I don't fucking get it.  Do you guys not read the other reviews on this site?

There is real quality out there.

Damn, I mean I just don't get it.

I'm a Cleveland local and I have to travel away from Ohio...I have great reviews...but I must be honest my last time hosting incalls here in Cleveland went very well....I will be back from my Chicago, Des Moines, and Kansas City tour soon and will be visiting Cincy and then home in Cleveland hosting incalls.....I truly hope Cincy and Cleveland (Home) is good to me.....

Warmly Charmaine xoxo

Hey I would gladly do that if I could afford $900-$1200/month. Not sure about you since you only have 2 posted reviews and not since 2013 but I like to have sex at least 2 or 3 times a month. It just isn't financially feasible for me to do that.

as a matter of habit.  

Second, the stuff that I do in session would not reflect well on the ladies I seen and some of them have requested that I not post it.  That's fine with me.  The number of reviews is not AT ALL related to the number of Providers I have "dated".

You don't need to spend $900 a month.

The point of my post is that high quality is available for $300-$400.  Serious quality.  

When Hobbyists in OH patronize that 6/7 crowd at $200 we get more of it.  Thus we have to hobby more because the experience is not that great.  If you consider a 6/7 a great experience.  Then I just feel sorry for you.

I have had 9/9 at $300.  Try it and you will never go back.

If we start patronizing the quality providers at that level we get more of it.

I totally agree with you.  When I started hobbying, I did the BP route, spending 2-3 for the absolute worst providers in the world (what the fuck did I know?  I was a newbie).  Then I upped the ante and a whole new world of wonderful women who really care about providing the most pleasurable experiences possible.  It's much better to save your money and get some decent providers.  I actually think from what I have seen that Cleveland gets much better providers than we do in Columbus.  It's very depressing, which is why I go to Vegas and drown a shitload of money on the finest women anywhere.  Just saying..........

I guess you didn't get my point. If I give a girl $300 I can only afford 1 per month. What am I to do until the next month rolls around? I know what you're saying and I wish I could afford to see three high quality girls a month. I've read the reviews from these girls and believe me I would if I could.

(Keep in mind this is regardless of price, as I'm sure there are plenty of great ladies on the more affordable end of the spectrum)

Basically, Tucky would prefer just one single mind-blowing experience in a month while you would prefer more frequent, mediocre experiences per month. There's nothing wrong with either position per se.  

Put me down for a night if Bebedoll comes to town!

I am with you on quality not being here and seemingly not being demanded here - I have also heard enough just from providers I have seen about the glut of cheapskates here in this region. I am sure all regions have their share but it seems like they are plentiful here.

Some might be nice about it, not me, there are a lot of men, here, probably elsewhere too, that just don't seem to care what a woman looks like. People can go on all day about "different tastes" for different people, to each his own, whatever, but I think that a certain visual should be there when a gent is paying for the time, the average Joe in the public would envision the same even though they don't even partake and would probably be shocked at who these guys pay to see.

I try to understand, perhaps most of the hobbyists around here are old, out of shape, not easy on the eyes and perhaps they have been married to some pig for 30 years and anything better than that looks better and is acceptable. I guess that could be an answer. As a relatively younger guy who is in shape I am only interested in seeing bonafide hotties, it is either that or nothing. That is another thing, some of these guys just seem to HAVE to have some kind of action, for me it is only going to be good, and thus worth it, if the girl is smoking, if that option is not there then I just find something else to do.

I am not sure if you can lump all of Ohio in as one, I see a decent touring selection in Cleveland and even Columbus - Cincy/Dayton is purgatory let me tell you,lol.

That MC agency really kept things interesting in this state - since they were shut down it has just not been the same - probably never will be.

I don't know, if I only had a few hundred dollars in expendable income every month I am not sure I would have ever even thought to have started doing this, coming in to it years ago I never thought that it was a hobby where people on a limited income even fathomed it, I thought the streets were where they ventured.

It is one thing if some guy is on a limited income, but we seem to have a lot of hobbyists around here who end up calling and bothering the girls with higher rates about discounts, that is a black eye on the region and better options stay away.

High rates at the airport in Cincy is also a reason to consider.

There are worse places to hobby I guess, I am out of town on business right now in an area that probably is one of those places, but it is a place I would never imagine hobbying being that big, the three big cities in Ohio you would think would be different.

It is not all bad, I can't imagine where I would be as far as expendable income if I was hobbying in LV or LA or Chicago, or even if MC was still around here - as it is hobbying as seldom as I do I have been able to save up a good chunk over the last few years.

Doubt it will get any better though, our complaining sure as hell will not make any difference..lol

Let me add just one to your list, only because she once had a tour scheduled here and for some reason took Ohio off her schedule and never put it back on - girl by the name of Kristin Kindle.

END OF MESSAGE

I do most of my hobbying while traveling, also not many highly reviewed ladies in Cleveland (see TER Top 100)....

SO I am really looking forward to my Cincy trip in November and seeing Tobi!

I am hopeful of my ATF visiting Cleveland soon, and if she does, perhaps with a friend for doubles, we are in for a great visit....

RocketMan

Hello Darlings,

While I Do understand the frustration in the first post….if a hobbyist prefers quantity over quality then who am I to criticize…I got into this partly because I am without judgement, right??! I am a provider who only accepts 2-3 appointments a week with gentleman that I carefully chose….I am pretty sure that none of them have ever complained about the quality of their experience versus the cost since they have all asked to see me again, even at my current rate.  I aim to provide an outstanding experience that will rival any other but there are hobbyists that prefer to see someone more regularly and they, simply, cannot afford the higher rates. Unfortunately, there are some providers that are very class-less, money-hungry, lacking in personal integrity and even crazy but…..should we ask hobbyists to go into debt or mortgage their future?? I think that everyone should be able to make their own choices without judgement….if not in this arena, then where??

Kisses, Samantha Tegan

Bebe doll is awesome.  Worth the trip to Chicago.  A must see for any serious hobbyist.

The evil fact is supply and demand drive this market.  There are very, very few women that rate a 9 that they command whatever pricing they want.     That's why I haven't done in thing in Ohio in a very long time.  The selection (particularly in Cbus) sucks, the prices are absurd and its just easier to go to places where finding what you want is much, much easier

Okay, Let's be real basic here so as not to make it over-complicated.

Who's your ATF?
What does she charge?
If she felt she could charge twice that amount, would you get twice the experience?
It's simple. You don't get what you pay for.

I've paid for $300/hr girls I would NEVER see again. I've wasted time with $250/hr girls, I'd never recommend. I've had amazing times with $150 girls, $250 girls, $80 girls. It isn't about price, it's about "clicking".

Price MIGHT guarantee you some level of "upscale" environment. Not always. I'm down in Evansville, and tattooedasiankim is a $300-500/hr provider. But I've heard her incall is iffy. I haven't been able to connect with her, but I've been looking into it. I also don't think she looks good enough to pay twice what I feel comfortable paying, and 3 times what I can pay with the right girl.

Back in Cincinnati,  there's a lady I know who's actually just a masseuse, she charges way less than the rates of a FS provider, BUT FOR ME AT THOSE RATES, we have a fantastic time. Now, I know it's cause I do my thing and she loves it, and she's not doing anything like this with guys who walk in the door. It's based on our chemistry. And $ cannot CREATE chemistry.

Now, YMMV.  But you do NOT GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. (I'm not shouting, I'm emphasizing). And this conceit, which you guys are so blinded by, and which is always brought out, or thrown out as a FACT, ... isn't.

Going back to my initial question:
Does this mean, that Tobi is BETTER FOR EVERY GUY ON THE PLANET than Sinful Dreams?  Because what you are saying is TOBI charges more, so you get what you pay for, so you MUST GET MORE with Tobi, so Tobe is Better.

But for some guys, I promise you that isn't the case.  

And does Tobi believe she is a waste of time, compared to the girls in Vegas that you see?  
Do you believe this? Because that is exactly what you are saying.

too add any more to this debate.  I will agree that $300-$400 Providers can be iffy.  My original point was that OH should have a great Hobby scene but for crazy reasons we don't.  One of them is guys trying to lowball the gals.  Which is just bullshit.  

But I can't add anything to help this scene.  I just give up.  

I have tried to help Hobbyists get top notch Providers here but it doesn't work.

I have tried to help Providers make more $$$.  It don't work.

I will just do my own thing from now own.

RT

First, you seem to be ignoring basic realities. At $150/hour, some guys might be able to justify it. But at $300, they might not. It might be viewed as a bit waste of money. How many times have you been with a provider, and you feel like you would have been better off staying home? I've had this happen. And it's way worse when the girl charged $200+, and downright depressing when she charged $300+

Second, there is buyer's remorse. You must have never spent your hobby money on a girl and been disappointed. This, no matter what you paid, strains credibility. But when you finally do pay $600 for a girl who lets you do anal, swallows, and whatever else you like to do... but who just doesn't click with you personally... you might experience this feeling.

"Couldn't I have spent my money with one of the other girls who were available?"

Buyer's remorse is more painful when the price is higher. When a girl only charges $150 (or less), and she's bad... oh well. Not ideal, but not the end of the world. You can go see another girl and have a great time.  

Third, your basic point is that $ = quality, as evidenced by review ratings.  

But you ignore the "buy-in" fallacy. People who buy Apple products swear they are better, even if it isn't objectively true. Even if they aren't faster, higher quality, more reliable, etc... But they are more expensive. And people feel like they MUST be better. Especially after they paid for it. Same reason people value a painting more, once they actually own it (look up the research on irrationality, by Dan Ariely).

So yeah, guys who pay to see top-shelf girls view those girls with the rosiest of rose-colored glasses. She might be every bit as great as the reviews say, but she could easily NOT be, and the fallacy, combined with the client's strong internal desire for the provider's approval, will push the review numbers up.

I actually value connection over perfection. I don't know if the shit you get up to with your ladies is based on the same kind of connection. I can't hate a girl and fuck her, no matter how hot she is. I have to really really connect with a girl, and money cannot guarantee that. I've said it before, and you just ignore that, so for you it must just be hard to connect with a girl when you are choking her to death with your cock. Maybe try talking to them and making them feel good?

In the end, no matter the connection, if I can't afford to see a girl 3 times a month, I can't. Doesn't matter how much I might want to.

It's not about being cheap. I don't try to see girls I am not prepared to pay fully. I don't ask girls to charge me less, or negotiate. I have been negotiated with, but it wasn't me saying "your rate is $200, and I've only got $175" or something. I don't know how any guy does that...

I don't tell you what to pay or who to see.  But somehow, you can only see this issue from your rather narrow outlook. I've offered numerous reasons why your basic complaint isn't built on solid footing.

I understand, completely.

I just wanted you to be less pissed off at those of us who might not be "CHEAP" or be pissing girls off, but might have other reasons for not playing where you like to play.

Ok, just one more thing, then maybe we can put this horse down, please?

You guys keep saying that cost does not equal quality and while that may sometimes be true, I think for most of us girls, like myself, that are in the 300-500 dollar range we strive and make great efforts to be above what a girl in the lower ranges provides in way of experience.

As for myself, my incall is an upscale place that I take effort to make extremely comfortable with flowers, candles, soft lighting and music. I offer top shelf beverages that are not cheap. I have spent well over 1k on toys and "accessories" and probably that much on lingerie, lotion and perfumes. When I have a date, I generally spend two hours in advance getting ready and making sure that everything is "just right".

I spend a great deal of time and money working out and eating well, taking care of my skin, hair and nails and doing everything I can to maximize what God has given me.  

Perhaps, more importantly, when you see me, I will remember your name, your kids name, your dog's name, your favorite hobbies and drinks as well as your personal likes, dislikes and desires. I am extremely interested in getting to know my men, making them feel comfortable and "clicking" with them. I will even read up on topics that I know they are interested in so that we can have a conversation that they will find interesting.

Oh yes, I can hear all you guys out there saying big effing deal….who cares? Well, you're right….a lot of guys simply want/need to get off. That is fine and I'm probably not the girl for them. Other guys want a total experience, that includes a full-service unhurried and very sensual evening with a lady who doesn't  watch the clock or have a "routine".

When I hear (and I have heard of a couple) of expensive girls in Ohio that do not offer anything special it makes me pretty upset. They are doing a dis-service to their customers but also to the rest of the "upscale" providers in the area. When guys try to haggle on price for me it sends up a red flag that perhaps they aren't looking for what I am interested in providing and, frankly, is just kind of rude. It fails to take into account the expenses and time that I take to make the experience special.

If you can't afford my rates then that is fine also and I fully understand. Try to find the best quality you can for your money. Perhaps, one girl you really connect with and stick with her. This should be a place that is without judgement….Geez people, un-wad your panties!

A man after my own heart! I like the way you think RT

 That's Black and White for you!!!  "PUT IT IN THERE FACE KINDA POST!!! That was just what I needed to see. Your absolutely right in making the statement about guys being cheap! I have to say you get what you pay for "quoting what another lovely provider said"...  The time I put into getting ready for a gentleman doesn't take 15mins!  
Doesn't it say something about a provider that takes the time to prepare for her date? That she really cares about how she's valued by you gentlemen as a whole? I think so.... They put a lot more time into getting ready for their date, then the time you guys actually spend with her 8 times out of 10. Ha! But those upscale providers take pride in earning a review and feel there worthy of getting it.  As well as they want you to go back to see them for years to come. That's worth the higher donation in it's self. Correct me if you guys disagree.      

Providers that are 150- 200$ don't give a rats ass what they looks like! Don't get me wrong there's got to be girls out there for those guys that "HAVE TO GET LAID 2 or 3 TIMES A WEEK"...RIGHT?  I'd be surprised if those providers took the time to bathe before they saw their new found friend...  That's a scary thought...Yikes! Oh! and if there's sheets covering the windows or the mattress is on the floor? I'd hit the ground running!! Lol!!!  So now that I've told you what I think... What are your thoughts RT? others feel free to chime in this is a great topic!  

Annalise Rossi.....Muah!!!

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Annalise,
I saw you across the way at the PHX Meet & Greet in November, and would have loved introducing myself.

I should have moved faster, as you left before we could talk.

Perhaps we can convince you to travel east and visit us in Cleveland and some of the other Ohio cities too....

Guys,
This Lady is hot....

RocketMan

I agree with the OP that I personally would rather have quality than quantity.  However, I also realize that each hobbyist has their own objectives when when they hobby.  If they prefer more girls for less money, more power to them.  I don't think its nice to try and negotiate rates though, and I would never do that unless the provider specifically asked me to do so.

When I hobby, there is definitely is a certain look/level of attractiveness that I am seeking.  It defeats the purpose of paying for it if I don't consider her to be out of my league.  Then I read the reviews to gauge whether I would have a good time if I chose to see her.  There are a few right here in Ohio that meets my criteria.  The ones I have not met, I plan on meeting in the future.  While it is convenient if quality providers travel to Ohio, I also don't mind traveling a little bit for the right provider.

Bottom line, it's all about being with a girl I could never be with, without p4p.  It's hard to say what my financial ceiling would be for that experience, but I don't think I would ever spend more than 1 months surplus income (usually 1500 to 2000) for a single experience.

Honestly I don't know if it has much to do with money, to be honest. I've traveled some (Chicago, Miami, San Francisco, LA) and I do the best at home, where I have a strong presence and great reputation.  

I've asked why gents don't like travelers and typically the answers range from: "I don't know her, is she for real?" to "There are so many great ladies in the area already, why take a chance on a stranger?" to "She must have seen X number of clients today, I'm not cool with that". I've never heard someone say it's because of the donation.  

For providers, traveling is almost always a gamble.

I had not seen your name before, and I was very impressed by your photos....

I may be traveling to Lansing later in the year.  Perhaps our paths will cross.

RocketMan

this post comes across as a blatant ad for yourself.  

Currently, you only have 3 TER reviews, so when guys see your pricing, they will back off.  

Why?

2 reasons - Lack of TER reviews and pricing

If you are that good as you say you are, then you should be getting a lot more reviews. Don't you think? You claim to see 2-3 guys per week... where are THEIR reviews?

Having said that, if you had a dozen or more reviews and those reviews are consistently high rated, then I would have made arrangements to see you already.  

Yea, you may be overpriced for someone who is somewhat new to TER and is overpriced for the market that you live in. If you happened to live in NYC or Los Angeles, then your pricing would be just right.

Quality does matter, but so does proper market pricing.

The Forest Waits