IMHO when a african american hobbyist sees a caucasian provider he should include that he was african american in his review. A caucasian provider may find it easier to deal with caucasian clients than african american clients. The african american client could cause her to not to perform at her top level and cause her to get a bad review from him. A few respected hobbyists in our community who I am friendly with are african american but many of you do not know this. If one of the above mentioned hobbyists saw an unreviewed caucasian provider he may give her bad marks due to her feeling uncomfortable seeing him . Many will read the review and recognize the familiar board name and avoid seeing the girl. If he mentioned in his review he was african american then we would have to make a choice to take his word or try her out ourself. To try and be PC about this it should also be done when a caucasian client sees an african american provider.
-- Modified on 6/24/2005 11:56:15 PM
Just kidding. Stereo types are wrong.
Maybe that's the real problem. Maybe he's reluctant to see a provider that sees people that aren't in the same race.
One porn star flat out said she doesn't see black men when she used to tour. She stated that her "market value" goes down.
She must have run into Yank my doodle or whatever his name is.
Many porn stars that I have met will not see a black client or even work in a interracial scene because they get threats when they go on tour throughout the USA.
Hey, I'm white and I can give a girl 12 inches (6 the first time and 6 the second)
What's the problem?? Has the board been too slow lately? Is there some kind of summer angst afoot? What else could possibly inspire these divisive posts?
What are you suggesting? That the providers (to quote Mark Furhman), "Fear the Mandingo Encounter?"(I'm pretty sure it was Mark Furhman. If it wasn't, I deeply apologize!) What makes you think a provider is uncomfortable with an African-American? Has one told you they were uncomfortable? Because, that's what screening is all about. A provider can put right in their website the clients they don't mind seeing. They usually do. I have seen countless ads that say "Black men only/Upscale White gentlemen only/Indian and Asian men preferred/White men and Asian men only.
If a provider is that uncomfortable, it probably has less to do with race, and more to do with the attitude the person displayed.
Following your bizarre logic, should all men who aren't Asian, state their race when they see an Asian provider? That way if there's a bad review, they can say they were comfortable! Hey, maybe this explains the bait and switch action at some of the Asian places! They obviously save the Asian women in the picture for the Asian men! So they won't feel uncomfortable!
Geez!
Link one provider webpage which has a disclaimer about who they will see. I only ask for one link because I know you can't do it. If a provider said she only saw caucasian clients all the african american clients would be bitching up a storm. If a provider said she only saw african american clients all the caucasian clients would bitch.
I only ask for one link. Make it a TER reviewed provider. Are you up for the task?
Based on your post you think screening is the trick. In your opinion it should not be a problem if a caucasian provider asked a client if he was african american and then refused to see him because of his race. Would that make her a racist?
-- Modified on 6/25/2005 12:38:52 AM
She'll tell you flat out. There was a big ruckus about it on one of the boards she posted on, at which time she made her position clear.
My personally opinion is the provider should see who they're comfortable with. If they're not comfortable with you, for WHATEVER reason, why would you want to be in a session with them?
It sounds like you have deeper problems, my friend
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I've removed the link after the person behind this insipid post saw it and responded.
-- Modified on 6/25/2005 1:17:00 AM
Her webpage says "I prefer caucasian gentlemen aged 25-50 who know how to treat a lady."
She prefers caucasian gentlemen. It does not say that she will not see any other races. No provider in her right mind would limit her clientele base to one race.
We are getting way off topic. My first post was about african american hobbyists revealing their race when reviewing a caucasian provider. Can we get back on topic.
-- Modified on 6/25/2005 1:08:04 AM
Yes! An African American hobbyist should reveal his race in a review as long as every other hobbyist does the same thing. A Caucasian hobbyist should have to do the same, an Asian hobbyist should have to do the same, etc. While we are at it, a Jewish hobbyist should have to do the same, a Muslim hobbyist should too. Get the drift.
If you are going to make a suggestion like that, then be prepared to have all people treated equally.
Ahh, I love it when somebody pops in with an alias to stir up a hornet's nest.
There are 2 main groups of people who see providers and they are african americans and cacausians. IMHO when a reviewer sees someone of a different race they should mention their own race when writting the review. Do you think all cacausian providers feel comfortable with african american clients? What about african american providers and cacausian clients? Some providers will act differently when seeing clients of a different race. It is only fair to the readers of the review that they know the race of the reviewer.
-- Modified on 6/25/2005 2:13:32 AM
What you are basically saying is that "most providers" seperate hobbyists into African Americans and everyone else. That kind of broad statement speaks more about your own thoughts then that of "most providers."
-- Modified on 6/25/2005 2:08:59 AM
Note: In my last post, I commmented about blacks, whites and asians (i.e. different races). I then proceeded to analagoize the situation further by bringing up Jews and Muslims (i.e. religions/cultures). I did not claim that being Jewish meant you were of the "Jewish race" as there is no such thing.
Don't forget Sammy Davis, Jr.
This is from the TER survey archive!
What is your nationality? Results
White 65%
Black 6%
Asian 17%
Hispanic 5%
Other 5%
So, once again, your information is flawed!!! So, once again, I ask you, why are you only bringing up African-Americans?
I'd like to know what you'e getting at. Are you a provider who feels that an African-American wrote you a bad review because you were uncomfortable with them? Are you someone that doesn't want to visit a provider that has seen black clients?
Yes...and she mentions her preference for members of one race(and only one race) for no reason, right? Riiiiiiiight!! I know the full story, and if you call her, she'll tell you.
But back to your original post: You feel that African-Americans (and only African-Americans) should have to reveal their identities when reviewing a caucasian(and only caucasian) provider, right?
Well, far be it for me to call for your banning, which seems to be all the rage as of late. But I respectfully disagree with your post. I don't feel it's necessary. I, personally feel your logic is flawed. If you made a broad statement, saying that all hobbyists that see providers of different races should specify it in the review, I'd still feel it wasn't necessary. But I might understand your position better.
I'm really interested in what you're getting at.
If I call her she will tell me she won't see african american clients but she will not post the same information on her webpage? Why is that? She may prefer to see caucasian clients but she will still see african american clients. I prefer ketchup on my hotdog but if none is available I will use mustard. She can prefer all she wants. If her phone is not ringing she will see the african american clients.
Read my original post again. I said if a reviewer is seeing someone who is of a different race then they are then they should disclose the information in the review. This is for both caucasian and african american clients.
post.
Here is the quote copied from your original post:
"IMHO when a african american hobbyist sees a caucasian provider he should include that he was african american in his review."
Where does it say anything about this being for all reviewers of all races seeing someone outside the race? You're trying to change your story.
-- Modified on 6/25/2005 2:08:16 AM
Read the last sentence of my first post.
behind the thread. The last sentence of your original post appears to have been added as an afterthought in order to, as you put it, appear PC.
Your words, not mine.
a couple of months ago that had the board all in a tizzy. Here's a link to refresh your memory.
Some providers may not say that they specifcally want only caucasion hobbyists, but by stating that they PREFER one, they are getting their point across.
-- Modified on 6/25/2005 2:39:44 AM
just treat me with respect and bring on the 11 inches. Pleaseeeaase....do NOT assume that all of us providers have an aversion against other colors. But, I fo think it is the courteous thing to say that you are African American, Asian, Indian, whatever. I love MEN. If you are a gentleman of any race and ANY age and I can verify who you are, I would love to meet you.
Kisses,
Anneke
My job has me dealing with men and women from every racial and ethnic group that exist. Early on I silently resented that reality, but as time has moved on I have embraced the environment that I work in and all the people around me. There are good people in all races and ethnic groups and religions and there are crude assholes in those groups as well. I have learned to seek out the good and discard the bad. In that sense, your statement about only being concerned with whether the men that visit you are gentlemen and treat you like a lady touches a cord, in the end those should be the only things that matter. Keep on keeping on and ignore the detractors, IMO, they have little to say and less to offer you, I have learned that through vast experience. When all is done, it will be people like you left standing.
For me, in the end, the increasingly multicultural world around me has been a tremendous boon. I have been able to make adjustments in my own life by observing how some in other cultures lead theirs and from the standpoint of the business that I am in, life could not be any better.
After reading this thread from top to bottom this is the thought(s) that I had.
I can see where a provider who didn't know a client was of African American (or other wise "black") could be caught off gaurd when he shows up at the door. That could lead to her not being able to put on her best effort for a variety of I won't begin to get into however I could see that happening. As a result the client didn't enjoy his time and posts a negative review and we are left to wonder why.
I agree that posting on a web-site white only, black only, asian only and to stir the pot jewish & muslim only is crass and tactless so here are two idea's I had, one kind of silly the other completely legit.
Similar to employement issues we must keep up a sign in the office which states "Equal oppurtunity employer". There could be such a vague statement or symbol created similar to the "gay" flag people have on their cars and homes with the extra color on the rainbow to state they are homosexual. Something a bit more discreet that would give all experienced "hobbiest" the heads up that they should inquire futher if they have an issue or concern.
The second and more plausible is why doesn't TER come out with an optional members profile for us. Very very vague but perhaps useful. Age ranges, race and equally important for a lot of hobbiest's, special interests. This way if there is a fantasy, role play, or sexual disfunction that exists there is a way for the provider to review it before the appointment. This does not have to something available to the public, but something that can be accessed if desired.
Just my $.02............in trying to bring some reasonable insight into a highly flamamble thread.
If by chance I said anything that can be miscontrued I apologize in advance as I am a bit rushed today but wanted to chime in on this thread.
Be well all my white, black, asian, jewish, musslim, catholic, gay, straight, male, female, in-between, Traveler(sorry I broke into your thread again and last but not least Bill18356 whoever and whatever you are.....friends be well.
at times. If this was on the Alabama board I might just assume hey the crackers are out in force today, must be Robert E. Lees birthday.
I really don't get it , everyday I pass some really great looking black women that I would do in a minute. Its impossible for me to accept that women aren't finding just as many black men they find attractive also and more so then some of the white men from TER.
Whether you choose to believe it or not racism is still very much alive today in this day and age and it does not have to be in the south either. I have a friend that has told his daughter that she better not even think of dating a black man if she wants to continue to be a part of his family, same goes for his son dating a black woman. I see racism practiced everyday so it really doesn't surprise me at all. And lets remember its the providers choice who she wants to see and thats the bottom line whether we agree with the reason or not.
you need to get out more. Concerning NYC...remember Howard Beach? Wasn't so long ago. Crown Heights under Mayor Dinkins? NYC isn't so much of a melting pot as it is a rock tumbler.
he doesn't want to see a provider that has seen a black man. Simple.
hell I could care less if she was seeing aliens as long as none them were my man Junior457.
Now that guy I refuse to follow 
hope you guessed my name
aaah but what's troubling you
is the nature of my game