Behind door #3 we have a 4 foot butt plug for all the clueless attorneys.
Since my arrival, I've had a few calls that were a little frustrating and I was hoping to get the thoughts of the board members (provider and client alike).
A gentleman called, I of course asked for a reference and he in turn directed me to one of the top dollar NY GFE's. While I had him on the phone I went to her site and noticed her rate exceeds mine by $150. In the process of working out the logistics and he suggested I see him for $200- because that was his price range.
**Picture my confused and insulted face**, lol.
Some inquiries have been even more outlandish (i.e.- I only have $250 minus cab fare). I don't feel like a tag sale item, yet when I'm engaged in conversations like these I have that terrible feeling.
So, with that said I'm curious:
(1) Do other providers experience this?
(2) Do clients feel this is appropriate?
Personally, I have never seen anyone that has tried to negotiate with me. It's just not how I'm built. What sort of quality are you expecting if you're playing auctioneer? I don't know about all ladies but that is a serious buzz kill for me. I would never give my typial performance and therefore don't even bother. I discount longer appointments, because I really prefer them but this sort haggling just cheapens the whole experience. I do understand this is a business but it's not like finding a service to walk your dog or manicure your lawn- much time and effort goes into an enjoyable meeting.
Hope I haven't offended but I'm seeing the benefit of discussions on this board and was hoping to get a feel of the general view.
XO
Melanie
PS- I wish there was spell check, lol.
i think you should ignore these people ,you should charge for what you think it`s fair for the service you provide, we either like it or we don`t . i would hang up on these guys just to send a message . there are so many providers that i wish their rates were less so i can see them but i would never try to make a deal with them , just not classy at all. hope you have a good time in new york .
I agree that such men are in no way worth the time and energy of so fantastic a woman. However, I'm not sure that hanging up is an effective means of conveying a message. We all benefit if the dumb guys get educated. Perhaps there is a way explain that others value you so much that it would not be an effective use of your time to accept a lower rate. Perhaps even suggest that they browse CL to find someone who can provide service more commensurate with their budget.
you are 100% right , what i should have said that she should not get her herself engaged in long conversation with these people since it`s not worth the time and energy , maybe she should try to book her appointments through e-mail and make it clear that her rates are none negotiable .
There are so many different provider price ranges available that selecting a suitable range for one's wallet should be a simple matter of (personal) economics.
Negotiating in this business therefore is not necessary and even demeaning.
I always appreciate being 'grandfathered' in by providers I've seen for a long time who've raised their rates as time went by, but held the line for original clients.
I think for a pleasant experience to extend both ways, price should be agreed upon beforehand, and on d-day, neither the client nor provider should attempt to alter it in their favor. It's a serious mood killer.
You probably won't lose any business.
My style is perhaps different from others. In the limited sampling that I have negotiated, cheaper usually isn't better. The provider has little incentive to want repeat business and is more inclined to make a hasty exit.
On the other hand, a good tip can work wonders. Even a small gratuity expresses a willingness to go beyond and that often, though not always, gets a return dividend.
It's a much better session when the provider is genuinely happy to see me return 
rather than think cheapskate.
Never negotiate a personal services contract.
Behind door #3 we have a 4 foot butt plug for all the clueless attorneys.
Everything may be negotiable, however, just because you can get someone to accept a lower rate to allow you to spend an hour in her proximity doesn't mean that you get the same experience as those who did not negotiate.
Even if a woman wants your money, that doesn't mean you can insult her and she won't mind.
That's what I meant.
when its posted on your web site what your fee is.....my cure>>>.seeing as how this is "time and companionship" offer up the "popcorn special"..when he arrives have the tv going,tuned into the weather channel..toss him abag of popcorn..and talk about the weather for the first half hr..may get a crappy review but i'm sure it will only happen once..
I primarily see pornstars, so we're talking about rates ranging from $800 to $2000 per hour.
I NEVER negotiate rates! But that doesn't mean I always pay retail. I have a dollar rate that I'm willing to pay to see a girl, and when I've contacted them, if their rate is higher than that, I simply explain that while I'm sure they're worth every penny, their asking price is beyond my budget. I thank them for their time and leave it at that.
In many cases, they'll rspond and ask me what I had in mind, price-wise. I'll tell them what I'm willing to pay (keeping in mind that I don't low ball them; I make them a reasonable offer), and say that I totally understand if they aren't willing to see me for that price.
7 out of 10 times they'll take the offer... and because THEY opened the door to a lower rate, they don't resent it, so they still bring their "A" game with them. Often, if a guy negotiates a lower price with a provider, if she's not having a good tour she might accept it, but believe me she isn't happy about it. Negotiating a rate is really an insulting thing to do... you're basically telling the girl that she's not worth what she thinks she is. So often you end up with a less than satisfying session. And you're probably only going to get one pop.
With a $350 - $500 provider, I wouldn't think of offering less.
One place where I feel negotiations are proper is in overnights or 24 hour dates. I know pornstars who charge #1K/hr who'll do an overnight for as little as $3k to $4K. They realize that in an hour appointment, they're going to be having sex for most of that time. But in a 12 hour overnight, most likely on average they'll only be doing the nasty for three or four hours at most, plus they're going to get wined and dined to some extent. So overnight rates should be open to reasonable discussion.
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did I ever negotiate the price of a session.
It was a high dollar provider - not a porn star but a genuine Playboy model (since retired, sadly). Her regular rate was $1500 per hour.
In December a few years ago, she posted an ad offering a "holiday special" without specifying what that special was. I contacted her, and she suggested $600 for a half-hour.
Now, I do not do half-hours - never have, never will. I told her that and said "how about $1k for an hour?" She said "that will work" and a deal was struck - for a third less than her regular rate, and about 15% less than her original "special" offer. And an amazing hour it was!
This certainly fits within the "exceptions" that Eddie describes: (1) high dollar lady and (2) she opened the door to a little negotiating. Other than in such exceptional settings, I agree with Eddie (and almost everyone else in this thread) - Never try to Negotiate.
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I think this is a reasonable approach and like Eddie I would never offer less to a $350-500 provider. In fact for the $350 providers, I usually pay a $50 tip unless there was something wrong with the service.
In cases where you know the provider is a "one & done" type of girl, then by all means a price negotiation is fair. Why pay full price when you'll only receive half the service expected.
I checked for your review and didn't see one. Oops, I forgot you're using an alias.
Personally, I think quibbling over rates is very demeaning to the lady. In a business where her looks, size, age and attitude has already been given a dollar value, offering her less than her going rate does nothing to build her self worth. Those of us who didn't start till in our 40's are kicking ourselves for not starting in our 20's, before kids, before gravity effected us, since we are being compared to those firm, perky, 20 year olds.
I was thinking about this thread last night while ordering my meal at a local restaurant. I would never dream of saying to the waiter, I'll take the soup, but I think $5.00 is too much, ask the cook if he is willing to take $3.50. In some restaurants I would be lucky to get out of the place alive after making a comment like that.
To the guys who think negotiationing with ladies whose rates are in what would be considered the going range for that area, please remember, these are ladies who are just trying to make a living, giving something very personal. That it happens to be a great deal of fun is a side benefit for all.
Before you meet a provider for a first time, you don't really know what they look like. So a price negotiation at that time does not reflect on the provider's looks/size/age/attitude. Reviews do change that to some extent, but thickredbeauty didn't say if the negotiator was coming from TER -- many providers post on multiple sites.
If you think as providing as a business, then it isn't clear why negotiating a price would be insulting. I know plenty of people who try to negotiate rates with tradesmen and professionals who are in a position to set their own rates (e.g. plumbers, electricians, lawyers, photographers, jewelers), and I don't think that they feel insulted by it.
Of course, any professional would be justly offended by a bad faith negotiation, but I wonder if the problem for providers specifically comes from thinking that the rate a guy wants to pay reflects on your desirability as a woman and a person, as compared to how much the guy wants to spend to get laid.
To help understand what I am saying, you might consider if it is "demeaning" to be rejected by a provider prior to first meeting. Whether or not a provider sees someone is also a business negotiation, but that one is initiated by the provider's side.
I don't think it's really a good analogy to compare providers to plumbers, electricians, etc. With a plumber or an electrician, all you're concerned with is will he do the proper job, i.e. stop the leak or make the lights work. Other than that you don't give a shit if he's 280lbs. with major butt crack showing. So ASSUMING he's competent, negotiations are just trying to find a price point that both parties can live with.
Whereas a provider's rate is based on much more intimate considerations. Her looks, certainly, figure highly into the equation along with her performance. The value she assigns to herself is not an objective criteria. Not to be too explicit, but spending an hour naked with a stranger who penis is going to be her mouth and vagina and/or ass is a lot different than installing a new sink in some guy's house. Self-worth has a lot to do with the issue.
A provider is worth exactly what SHE feels she's worth... it's the dollar figure at which she'll allow herself to do what she does. Under normal circumstances, to offer her less is insulting and in a way you're saying to her "You're not worth as much as you think you are". She may choose to accept your offer for financial reasons, but believe me you're not going to get 100% of her normal performance.
Awesome analogy