We are a moderate sized community that is built on discretion and trust. When these two things are broken it is very hard to come back from. Sometimes we forget that every action has a reaction. We forget to separate our feelings from business. I have always tried to tell ladies and gentlemen that business is business and personal is personal. Many times we need to take our personal feelings and emotions and set them aside. We may not always like what someone post, but that doesn’t give anyone the right to out someone. If ladies have “Personal issues” with each other, you shouldn’t go slandering their names to the gentlemen. In order to keep each other safe we need to have some sort of respect for one another. We are all here to have a good time and make connections with other people.
To the Ladies:Many of us are in trusted with sensitive information. Our clients have lives outside of this, just as we do. It is our responsibility to safeguard this information unless their is an immediate threat to the community. We all get to choose how little or much information we choose to ask for. Many people may disagree with how we choose to run our business and they can just suck it up. We have the right to do that, we don’t have the right to violate people’s trust because of a personal vendetta. It’s our jobs to keep each other safe and support one another. To the Gentlemen:
In order for us to all work together to keep each other safe we need to have common courtesy for one another. That means don’t give specific details about where a ladies Incall is in reviews, following directions when ladies give them to you. Just have respect for one another. If you don’t agree with a ladies screening methods or her rates, just move on. No, need to argue about it. That is the first step to landing yourself on her DNS list. The sad part about all that has been going on has to do with Respect. We should all show a little more respect to one another. If we did that their would be no reason for anyone to get vindictive and not be discreet. Happy Holidays,
Andrea Davis
The Minneapolis board used to be very busy with fun posts by hobbyists and providers, then someone took some time and worked on outing a bunch of people. That iced the board for a while, then there was a troll issue for a while, now the board was getting a little better, but it's still pretty quiet given the size of the community here.
I'd post on why any Social Media connected to the hobby is a really, really bad idea, but I don't post much anymore. I got singed last time so I work on staying quiet and as anonymous as possible, while getting enough OKay's and referrals to be able to book with relative ease.
I am glad I joined P411 a while back, I would never release that info today.
Social Media has made people mean because it is so easy t really hurt people.
But it, and any Internet forum--including TER--makes it easier for mean people to be mean to more people, and to do so with anonymity.
The anonymity the internet allows, whether it be social media or in some other format, makes it easier for those who are already mean to stir up trouble and do things they wouldn't do or would pay the price for doing if they had to do it in person.
It's always been easier to destroy than to create.
Of course, discretion should go without saying. It's sad that some people don't understand boundaries and need to be reminded. That being said, I enjoy most of my interactions with my fellow mongers, and more importantly, my connections with you lovely ladies, both on the boards and in person. In the end, those of us with the maturity to handle this game have each others backs.
Thank you for your insight and levelheadedness. As you stated, it's all about discretion and respect. That's the only thing that keeps ALL of us safe.
It's coming , the entire database will be searchable.
Thank You for offering your perspective. This is not directed solely at Andrea so don't interpret as such. For all involved here to digest. .
In light of recent events, what continues is the blatantly hypocrisy on this forum Which erodes trust trust faster than three pumps and done.
Perfect example . Flip the circumstances on the outing of personal information. If that had been a provider , the sisterhood would have been very vocal and present on board, denouncing. Not one has. Along with a few of the usual cast , that willingly runs to defense of hookers. Which I have no problem with when warranted. If that doesn't concern everyone, you sure as fuck better be careful with your information ,that which you control and that which may be out of your control. After all some is public. The silence is your warning. Doubt me if you like, but don't be surprised . You could be next target.
I for one believe this was a test run by BSC crowd and their supporters to see what will be tolerated by providers and mongers, when it comes to this specific matter. Not likeing the results in Minnesota.
and yes, the sisterhood is freaking out, especially since more outings have been promised.
I do agree that I was most likely a "test run" to see just how far they could push and just how long their loyal lapdogs would continue to support them. I think what they didn't count on was how much push back they would get from the honorable girls who realize just how much they are going to suffer for the actions of a few malcontents. I know the ladies from MN have not been terribly vocal on this board in condemning what happened, but it you check out the GD board, the support from the ladies has been nearly unanimous, with the ONLY person I can see supporting the BSC hookers who have splashed my personal information all over the net is a GUY from right here in MN who's dislike of me seems to be clouding his judgment on the topic. I guess that says more about him than anything else.
All in all, "most" of the ladies here are honorable, trustworthy and are only looking out for their own safety, unfortunately in this day and age it's completely impossible to tell which women are going to simply "snap" someday. I will say I was kind of touched by the outpouring of support, both publicly and privately, even from people you would never suspect would EVER have a kind word to say to me, and of course from my many good friends I have made over the years here on the boards, both "board buddies" and people I know IRL alike.
Only an idiot would encourage and outing war.
Where the fuck did he encourage an outing war. Did he specifically call for one in that post, maybe your the only one that got that memo.
At least be transparent enough , to let people know Gambler has been taking you to mat for some time now. Usually sucessful . Just fucking say it. Then people can go collect facts, see whose on the right side of discussion.
I'd like to see him actively discourage the idea with the same vigor he prosecuted his own outing.
An outing war will be a terrible thing. It must be discouraged vehemently.
He does appreciate your sucking his dick, though.
I have been saying for years that "outing" should only even be considered in the event of a "real" crime, such are rape, robbery or assault, and I have come out against the outing of others much harder than I have on the handful of occasions that is has happened to me, including this latest occurrence.
You OTOH, seemed to think that making controversial board posts are justification enough for someone to be outed. For your information the "outing war" that has started on Twitter is also not because someone was robbed, raped or assaulted, it too is based mainly on things that were "said" not "done"
You really need to keep up with current events if you are going to keep changing your story like this. You are the LAST person qualified to dictate to others what they should or should not do.
Have you or have you not been engaged in back channel doxing?
It's a simple question.
Has anyone sent you doxing info? Have you reported them to TER for this?
and I bet you neither do you.
I would NEVER pass along the personal information of anyone without their permission.
...What is doxing ?
dox -- to publish the private personal information of another person or reveal their identity
Ok now that you have made a right turn, go back to his specific reply, that you replied to ,and pick apart his points he addressed if you can . Show us how he is wrong.
I'd like to see him actively discourage the idea with the same vigor he prosecuted his own outing.
An outing war will be a terrible thing. It must be discouraged vehemently.
He does appreciate your sucking his dick, though.
Whats isn't Ironic is that , the local BSC hookers will never say what they really think here , or on General forum. They hide behind the lapdogs to do their dirty work on TER and Twatter. But yet bitch that they have no voice on TER. No they freely elect not to use it on this medium. That's the truth.
What a subset of johns and hookers fail to realize ,the targets they have gone after , pose no threat to their physical safely. Never have . But pose a real threat to their thinking and hustling.
It isn't hard to see who on the board supported this breach of information and confidence and trust.
How long will dudes support those who condone outings ? As long as they can collect the "special privileges " . Once that stops they will dump them like a used rubber and they will go find next one. To repeat process. Thats how shit works for alot of them .
It would be a pertinent reminder that we, as providers, should also respect one another as colleagues. There needs to be some level of professionalism and honour regarding our intellectual property (that goes for our websites and our content) how we conduct reference checks, reaching out to one another (I'm terrible at this I'll admit), among other things.
All My Best,
LJ, xx
-- Modified on 12/13/2017 12:51:20 AM
Clients should not backchannel exactly where an escort’s incall location is, after he sees her. You never know what the other guy/guys are going to do with that info. There have been incidents where the other guy just shows up at the location.
All produced
1/ Endless bad karma on the boards.
2/ A tidal wave of troll posts.
3/ Many rumors and unjustly damaged reputations of providers and clients.
4/ 1-4 Outings.
5/ Drama for 2-4 months.
Therefore, bye bye under all my names until valentines day.
I love being blackmail proof. I will ride out the storm if and when it comes. I'm not one to let trolls and dumbasses run me off a valuable forum.
Good Morning all,
It is senseless repeat all things said already and said multiple times. Instead I focus on "saying" those things.
People make accusing statements of others doing different things. I would say that any person that post something that is a damage or accusation of an action of another person should be held accountable. But accountable is not something TER can do. Accountable by the the community of the boards.
Its fine that an alias say Juan is doing this action. The alias then says here is the proof that Juan is doing it. If the alias cannot provide proof then everyone knows the alias is full of poop. That same applies to the person who would post under their review or real board name. The poster must be accountable for what they say within this community. The community exist for many reasons, trolling and arguments is a reason for sure. But an accusation of betray the trust of its members is nothing more than a troll without willing to show proof. A person who make an accusation lose all credibility when trolling with any proof or not able/willing provide that proof.
Here I give a perfect example. There are may examples and I am not picking on someone but just saying what should be obvious to any reasonable member of this community. Gag had information that was public already posted by someone. Nobody even knows who that somebody was as far as I know. A discussion here talks about it and SH makes an accusation. SH accuses Gag of "doxing" and asks if Gag is "doxing" providers/clients in a back channel. He asks a question, and does not like Gag response so he presses it. Makes it look Gag is hiding the answer.
This is now an accusation. Of course the literal words are a question, but anyone half a brain see it is an accusation and SH knows exactly what he is doing. He knows the results of his questions. SH knows that there is no way anyone can prove that they are NOT "doxing". His question and then pressure on the question makes it impossible to avoid thinking its true. But the reality is SH provide no proof that Gag is "doxing". He provide no example why he thinks Gag is "doxing". He has no basis and yet he also knows the board will look for the drama before they look for the truth.
This would be no different than if Gag would say, "Christine are you a TS?" and then follow up to say "are you sure you are not a TS?". Of course I am not, but how can I prove I am not? Even with good review history by some who are have reviewed many providers nothing says anywhere I am not a TS. Its unfounded accusation just like the same that SH lay on Gag.
My point would be the board community should be reasonable and smart enough to know this. And the community should ban together and ask of Gag, show us proof that you think Christine is TS, or ask of SH, show us proof that you think Gag is back channel "doxing". But I dont see this happen. I see the community sit there say nothing. The community should be saying WTF Gag why you doxing me, or they should say WTF SH show us the proof that allow you to make that accusation.
The community owes itself be credible. I am a little surprised because i have seen good examples as I read old posts of people calling bullshit. This community has some good, reasonable and seem intelligent posters. Yet here in this issue of SH trolling Gag, its a very harmful event. Its not a name calling its a serious accusation.
I am a very simple person. I dont have some Masters degree and i dont have 20 years experience in this profession. I did not graduate top of my class, and honest most Filipino university very different standards for academics than here in US. I dont even speak perfect english. But I know enough to call bullshit. I know enough to see difference in a troll post and a post meant to do serious damage. And I feel sure many of you here do also.
After the recent event Gag information posted as a form of " outing " I said on GD in a thread, that i predict that the next even t one day will be some BSC provider will out a provider. I called it a prediction in one of my posts. Sure enough not one week later we have the issue where a provider out a provider. I should have been smart enough, but was not to see the real path. Its not an issue of just provider against client or client against provider. Its an issue people want drama and willing to do whatever it takes to see that drama.
Lets us call accountability into play. Call bullshit a bullshit. I call the questions and follow up pressure by SH to be bullshit. It was meant to be harmful and it was meant to be open ended in defendable and SH knows this. Be accountable SH, you owe your reputation and the validity of anything you post to defend your position of that accusation. Dont twist this post, do as you even say to Gag. I not interested in how you feel about my post. I am interested in one thing only, proof that you ask that GAG is "doxing' providers/clients and the reasons he is doing it. Not conjecture, not hearsay, but proof.
Let the community judge.
Christine
GaGa said there was an outing with more to come. How would he know there were more outings to come?
Very simple souls and for that matter all here that believe his is right , quote Gamblers whole statement / statements in your reply, that leads you to your conclusion.
If others can view his whole statements in full and in context, they can determine who is on the right side, of this specific point . At least have enough integrity to direct people in a direction to collect the facts in this thread.
Its getting lengthy and as I see it the underlying principle is getting lost. Which is we all have a trusted responcibility to protect the personal and information of those involved in this playland.
I find it of great concern that , Christine and Andrea, up to this point in time , have been only ones to give providers perspective . Don't know about the rest of ya.
Well said, Thank you for visiting our board Christine.
... including accusations without evidence, personal attacks, and other BS. Unfortunately, as discussed above, the nature of the Internet facilitates such behavior.
My own approach to trolling is to try very hard to not feed the trolls. I sometimes fail in that. But it's one reason I don't usually post in threads started or dominated by a troll. And I don't need someone to point out BS to me; I know it when I see it. 😏
As a community, we have a responsibility to inform others about dangerous actions by others, such as outings and abuse, as well as other bad behavior such as theft and bait-and-switch. But outside of that, I'd ask everyone to remember that this is supposed to be FUN. Could we do more to accentuate the positive, and bring up the negative only when it's important to our community to do so? Or as someone wrote a long time ago:
"And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise."
and that one person is unsurprisingly hiding behind an alias, but DEMANDING I answer to him.
I agree that feeding the trolls is rarely a good idea and since the rest of the board, and not just this board, seems to hold the exact opposite views as him, I too am going to try to follow your very good advice and cease feeding the troll.
BTW I have nothing against alias posters, I have several "board friends" who make virtually all their post under their alias, but using an alias as cover to take potshots at people without repercussions is the ultimate in cowardice.
SH, I am not here to argue. There have been outings before, and outings now, and there of course will be outings to come yet.
Either show us all the proof why you accuse Gag of doxing or say you dont have anything. Pretty simple I am sure I think. Unfounded accusations are just troll drama and no good for anyone.
Christne
The more you post, the more I like you. Why don't you move to Minnesota so we can be friends?
Van....
We can be friend even I not live there. even never meet. I am very simple friendly person.
Christine
You make a LOT of sense when you post as well. I feel the same way as Van about you. The more I read what you have to say, the more I both like and respect you.
Hmm, GaGa said I was racist. I didn't see you too worked up about concern over that unwarranted allegation. I'll give your criticisms more weight when I see you apply them consistently.
Sorry I hit the return button accident above.
I dont read every post by every person on every board. And even i read a thread sometimes i miss posts in that thread. If Gag accuse you of being a racist, which I have no doubt he might have, what does that have to do with what I asking now?
You are smart and trying twist the post. Quit trying evade the question. You made an accusation and I am asking by what proof do you have to make that. I am simple but not stupid to see you twisting the issue. Quit thinking most providers stupid and cant see what you doing. And everyone reading this can easy see you avoiding answer it.
I dont disagree with all your post. We dont often agree on many things. But if Gag call you a racist then tell him show you proof and be done if he cannot. If Gag call you a racist, that is his opinion vs your opinion. Has nothing do with many peoples information or 3 parties. You accusing someone of "doxing" through backchannels. That has everything to do with many people, not one on one. I would never get involve in a one on one unless it is just totally wrong information. But what you accuse Gag of doing includes me, since you dont say who he is doxing, its possible Gag is doxing me. And that statement apply everyone.
So if you cannot or will not supply proof of the accusation simply accept you have no credibility. Either admit to board you have no proof or show us proof so we can see just who Gag is doxing. If all your proof is another person privately saying this to you then tell us who is saying it so I can see proof if it is me. Or so everyone can see who he is doxing.
You make serious accusation that include every person on these boards, not just you and him argue.
I did have another thought on this. Perhaps your proof is that you are on the clients private board under real name and dont want expose. If that is going be your answer then have someone has nice big balls that is on that board to post the proof and back you up. I am sure many here are afraid to voice up with you it seems. I am not. Quit avoid the answer show the proof, or admit it just a troll to make Gag look bad.
But please be soon I must prepare to christmas shop soon.
Christine
I didn't say he was doxing. I said due to his statements it appears he is aware of doxing ... and pending doxing. Being aware of future doxing is a damning sort of admission. It seems reasonable to request how he came to know there would be future doxing.
Again you are twisting words. You have no way to validate claim you make and this is apparent.
In this post and thread it you who first uses term "doxing" You accuse him of "doxing" and you ask him if he is "doxing" in the back channel.
As said before there have been outing of people in hobby before, there is now and will be in future. Does not take PHD in hobby land to think it will not happen again. Gag is very correct that there will be more. It is simply the way things are from BSC people.
You make a serious accusation when you accuse him of doxing people. You have no proof or you would have establish that for everyone by now. I have give you more opportunity then needed give the proof of that accusation. The way you ask it and the way you press it, it is obvious to all you accusing him of it.
So I make the following request. All those following this thread please give us your opinion. Is SH make an unfounded accusation cannot support that Gag is "doxing" ? Please be honest no need worry about hurt my feelings that not agree with me.
This is also an interesting study in female psychology. I recall (I could be wrong about this) that in a now deleted TER forum thread, you agreed that GaGa can say hurtful things.
And here you leap to his defense. Yet I don't recall you ever leaping to the defense of his victims to which you admitted he said hurtful things.
Psychologically this is a manifestation of the "chicks love bad boys" behavior. Rationality gets tossed aside in an effort to gain the sperm of the bad boy.
You can search my posting history and never find and unkind word against our lovely providers. I'm not a bad boy. So therefore you have no biological interest in my sperm. But you lust after bad boy sperm. So you signal your defense and availability as best you can to the bad boy.
This irrational behavior used to confuse me when I was a wee lad. But now it does make sense in an evolutionary sense. Getting the bad boy's sperm was a good way to obtain a ruthless protector for self and offspring -- if he hung around.
You've been repeatedly asked to justify your accusations and have done nothing but attempt to evade and misdirect the conversation elsewhere. Now, you're going to accuse Christine of siding with GaGambler because of the she has a "bad-boy" attraction to him? I've seen a lot of crazy statements on this board over the years but that's up there with the "best" of them.
You say in this post "You can search my posting history and never find and unkind word against our lovely providers." I'd say the rest of your post proves that is BS.
Souls,
I would like thank you for two things. The first is the humor and levity you bring to this conversation. The second is the food for thought with my morning coffee.
I should make a clear about a few things. The last thing am attracted to is a "bad boy". I prefer any relationship I am in, to be with a studious, serious and highly respectful person. A person who go out of his way to accept me, my faults and my short coming. And of course a devoted to treating me the way I raised that a man should treat his partner. Let us not go into how it is possible I could feel this and be a provider, just please accept that is how I feel.
That be said, I think everyone agree that Gag is not the kind of guy (by example his board posts ) to fit that mold. In person Gag may be totally different. I have no idea. Gag admit and I agree that he can say hurtful things. And there are things he says that I do not like. An example is use the word "ho" interchange with provider. Another is the place in life he puts providers. Gag has in the past told me when he think I am wrong and those posts can be found I am sure if you look. The last thing I want is Gag sperm.
But i will point this out. This conversation is not about how Gag feelings, or where he think providers are in life in his opinion on a social scale. This conversation is about what you accusing someone of doing. In fact this conversation not me jumping to Gag defense, this conversation is me jump to members of this community defense. I would have said same question if the person had been scoed, mrfisher, jake, BP, CDL or anyone else about YOU. This conversation was about you accusing someone of "doxing" and passing others personal information in the backchannel.
You made an accusation and all I am asking is show proof as to why you make such a serious accusation. All you do is keep misdirecting conversation. I do not dislike you. I do not disrespect you. But I do question your accusation and wish know a answer. We have disagree before, and we have agree before. I have been wrong before and in my life I am sure I will be wrong again. While I am not the person that make the accusation, I am the one that asking show the community why you accuse one of its members of a ban able, and serious offense.
I have given up you can or will provide the proof. I have polluted the community board with this topic and direction long enough and apologize to its members for this. I see no reason to continue this direction.
I do wish you, and Gag, and the rest of the community a happy and safe holiday.
Christine
But I have not accused him of doxing. You have inferred that. You call it twisting of words. I call it precision of language. I have asked him how he came to know there was promised future doxing. That certainly implied he had backchannel communication with doxers. Maybe he just has extra sensory perception and can read minds. But he knew. How did he know?
Yes , it has now directly affected Minnesota, coming on the heels of what the BSC Twatter handle F☆☆_T☆☆_ and the BSC followers of that site did to Gambler. Charliemurphey is being called out to be exposed. Anyone with common sense , knows what that means. But they don't have their facts straight.
The person they think they are going to expose is totally innocent, and no longer involed in the hobby, or on TER , as far as I know. Nice play on words they use, but they have already revealed , with the hand they played with GaGa their true intention and tactics.
We are two totally seperate people. I have told some in private that this is case, and they know exactly what I am talking about. I asked them to say nothing until I set record straight on here.
So if you want to say anything about keeping it secret, tell it to Charlie, if they break radio radio silence But I ,with my one handle needed to tell the board the facts on the matter at hand.
I have never posed any physical harm to ladies , but obviously , people like me and GaGa, pose a threat to their concepts. And that is their only basis for pursuing their course of action.
...Personally I would never want to see anyone "outed" but if anyone ever deserved to be "outed" would be Charliemurphy ,last month that lying sack of shit & his cohort miggs tried to accuse me of stalking a provider that I had reviewed,this is proof enough for me that this TROLL deserves NO credibility & GaG should should be careful not to let clowns like this attempt to name drop him as if they were in agreement.
Put up the quote of my accusing you of stalking who? . If this is about poppy. No where in that fucking post did I say you stalked her. Miggs may have .
Tell the whole board which post this involves , they can go read all my replies in the offending post.
The fact is that you went over the line and tried to contact a provider by her real name and you scared the hell out of her in the process. This is not only not cool but also becomes a safety risk for any girl working in this profession.
I only hope that any provider that you pursue does a search and reads your disturbing forums posts. I am certain that they will conclude that an angry and neurotic individual is behind the keyboard.
...well miggs It certainly isn't & a troll like you spreading lies on this board won't fool any contributors here, everyone that has read your posts knows your reputation for disrespect & making up stories, so tell all the lies you want nobody is listening.
Has taken this off course. Thereby diminishing the seriousness of the actual outing of personal information, or the stated intention to do so. Lets be reminded that this is taking place on Twatter which TER has no control over, thereby can take no action, unless you are outed by a TER member.
You better know who here is in bed with Twatter and Anti TER . if they have your info, or means to attain it.
I may take issue with TER , and people here,but won't out anybodies personal info simply for speaking up.
I don't usually post so bear with me. But someone once told me the best way to win a war with the least amount of casualties is to get the other folks to argue amount themselves.
It seems as if that tactic could be being used now.