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We have gotten away from the real reason why we are all here for:  For safe guys to see safe chicks and have a good time.  

The review problem is critical to this site. It is the main attraction to this site but if the reviews are white washed, then the value is worthless. If the ladies are selectively performing "better" for certain guys and the guys are being overly critical of the ladies, then no one benefits from the reviews in the end.  

To me, this problem is more than just a review issue. Its a community issue.  If we are all here for our own selfish reasons and not giving back, even just a little, to this community, then why are were here? We should all just go back to the days of meeting people on Hollywood Blvd and taking our chances.  

Lately, I have heard nothing but issues with this hobby. I know a hobbyist with a wallet full of bills and every chick he contacted is playing email tag with him. Too many missed connections or disappointing session. This should not be happening. Come on people, the real world sucks right now, this is the one place were we can escape reality and have fun, one hour at a time.

I see maybe 5 girls a week and I don't bother writing reviews because to get even a single review approved takes weeks of haggling back and forth over language or comments that might be offensive to the girl.

I liked the old TER that was about providing honest blunt and useful information to MEN and FOR MEN about the girls.

This new TER seems more concerned about possibly hurting a girls feelings by telling the truth.  

I've been asked to tone down language about how big a girls ass is.  Wouldn't you guys like to know if the girls ass is huge but in the photos it's small?  

Or how big a girls nose is when in the photos it's a perfect little bunny slope however blurred it was in photoshop or how bad her breath was or that she has a hemroid the size of a golfball sticking out of her ass?

Seriously I was not allowed to put in a review that the girl has a hemroid that is no joke the size of a golfball and scared the shit out of me and needs surgery.  

And yes the review was of a top czech girl that is getting 9s.  Yet no one is being allowed to mention the hemroid????
I would have liked to know about it before booking her.

It's the big elephant in the room that no one will talk about.

DocGonzo what is going on behind the curtain these days?  I'm about fed up and ready to quit this site for good.

This site used to be about proving honest useful information.  But I keep finding out it's now about guys who are too afraid to do anyone but gush bullshit reviews about girls because they are afraid of being blacklisted by providers for TELLING THE TRUTH and it's about a site that is too worried about hurting a girls feelings by telling the truth about her massive hooknose that is trimmed in photoshop and then blurred.

What ever happened to honesty and then letting the girls stand on the truth about their honest looks and performance?

A girl who seeks the public light and clientele  ( largely on the basis of looks ) neccessarily gives up some privacy regarding looks and performance. But not , however , other personal info we may learn and should keep to ourselves  (real names.)    I thought the whole purpose of the reviews was to accurately forecast the looks and service to be expected. I avoid humiliation in my (few) reviews but, I would want to know the details jimmydean listed before booking.  Is his charge true??

Things have changed around here the last few years.

-- Modified on 5/31/2010 2:11:52 PM

I withheld reviews of two ladies last year because the experience was so bad (compared to their other stellar reviews) that I figured I would just come off as whining or jaded or mean.  But I also felt guilty about not helping out my fellow hobbyists.  Still not sure I struck the right balance.

they seem completely bereft of competence and any intellectual savvy.

I've back-channeled my displeasure with them and really don't respect them where ever and whomever they may be...so (and I quote myself)...

"They haven't a clue and they haven't a clue that they haven't a clue.

I've had my issues with them...I don't respect them and thusly I just pay my $20.60 and say @#*% 'em...but that's just me."

Unfortunately, this site is the best of what's available and it does serve a purpose so I'll continue to put up or give grace to the negative and look to the positive.

I just wish that they weren't so...uh...S****D.

DD

You say this site still serves it's purpose so you continue to pay your twenty bucks.

For me the purpose of the site is to find out who the hot girls really are and what services they really are providing.  Or in other words "the truth."

So I used this site to find stellar reviews of a few cityvibe girls with blurry photos and blonde hair that supposedly give goddess like service for 500 bucks.  I mean guy after guy is rating these girls as 9s and 10s and their service as 9s and 10s.  So I go see a half dozen of these girls and what I find are very average looking girls that are 20 years older than the blurry photos and they are giving very AVERAGE service.

So I ask myself what is the purpose of this site to me?  How is this any better than just hunting on my own?  If they site doesn't provide honest leads to hot girls then what is it doing for me?

This is what I know...

The guys are afraid of posting honest reviews because they tell the girls what their TER handle is before they see them and if they write anything less than the girl is a goddess of love plucked from the grapevine of Athena then the girls will blacklist them on their private boards.

But guys by posting inflated BS reviews you completely KILL the only purpose of this site and you weaken the hobby every year further by doing so.

This site used to RAISE the quality of the hobby by making the girls be HONEST about the photos they use and the services they promise and the price they charge.  With competition and honesty the services improved and the prices became competitive and honest.  No more upselling because if they pulled that shit it would be reported in the review and no one would see them.

Now it seems things have turned for the worse.

Guys STOP telling the girls who you are on TER.  Tell them you simply saw them on shityvibe and that you're simply a guy who hires girls every once in a while but you don't belong to TER or any other group.  When you tell them your TER handle they write it down and share it with their girls all over town and when ONE OF THEM gets arrested those records are found and at some point maybe your wife gets to find out about all your reviews because the cops had to make the evidence public in court and everyone at your work and industry and family now knows about your anal fixation for young boys.  

STAY ANONYMOUS ON TER.

The girls need the business so they will approve you -- all they really want to know is that you're not a cop.  That's all they care about.  They need your money or they wouldn't be doing this work.  You don't need sex you can just jack off so you have the upper hand.  

This hobby is a luxury to men but a dire necessity to providers.  Remember that.

And girls by forcing men to write that you're 9 when you're not you're actually screwing yourself in the long run because maybe you're a decent 7 or 8 but when all the guys just give in and start rating EVERY girl as a 9 then the TRULY hot girls start losing business to all the average 6s and less out there because now EVERYONE is a 9 or 10.

And if the reviews stop being honest (and they stopped long ago) then no one is going to believe them anymore at some point and this site will collapse.

It's a fact I've experienced for years since Dave was driven out that the new management cares less about blunt honesty and more about being sensitive to the girls feelings.  Yes it sucks we are not all models but why can't you just say a girl looks decent or average if she really does and why can't you say a girl has a big ass if she really does or a big nose or bad breath or a big fucking obvious hemroid ready to burst?

I mean really.  :)

I don't know how to change management because I no longer have any idea who they are.  Dave used to be a friend who was honest and clear about his motivation.  The man liked sex.

Why did we stop being honest about that?  We are here for sex.  Not to make friends.  These girls don't like you.  The minute you pay they want you out the fucking door so they can get back to their kids or their rails.

I'm ranting at this point.  Frustrated but not wishing to ruin my point by pushing too far.  Forgive me.  :)

1.  I would like guys to go back to rating the girls HONESTLY and the best way to do that is to not be afraid of them so be anonymous and don't give out your TER handle to ANYONE EVER.

2.  I would like TER to allow honest reviews again and not denying reviews that say a girl was on her period and bled all over the bed because you think it's too politically incorrect to mention.  Sex is a nasty dirty business if done correctly.  Stop being afraid of the truth.  TER was built on telling the truth.  Don't kill that.

Not a bunch of idiots but a bunch of guys that want to make sure they are allowed to come back to see another girl at the agency and not be blackballed by a less than good review of an average girl. Way too much score inflation going one.

As much as we'd like to help each other I fear we all sometimes succumb to the easy way out.  Personally I was shocked when I met a couple of ladies last year who got a steady stream of 8s and 9s--and have gotten those scores since.  I can only chalk it up to YMMV.

I posted a review last year where I said the girl and I didn't click and that I felt she was a little bigger than in her pictures. I didn't say it in a rude or demeaning way. Also I said she was really nice, really put in a good effort, but there was just no chemistry between us. (Pretty harmless overall.)

The review didn't get pulled or anything but I got a handful of PMs from "white knights" destroying me for writing things about their favorite and not giving her the high marks they were for her. Then I heard from a provider that I was friends with that the girl was just destroying me on their private board that I was a jerk for posting that review.

At that point I questioned what was the point of writing an honest review? I might as well just give everyone 9/10 if I am going to get PMs and people saying nasty things about me.  So at this point I don't post reviews at all, I would rather pay for the occasional monthly membership when I want to meet someone new than put any effort into writing a review.

This site is a great tool for this hobby if we all know how to use it. I like to think that I know how to use this tool and that's why I try to stay off the boards and the drama. I love my reviews and no doubt they are the reason I get calls. So I try to keep it that way, do not disrespect the site's rules and do not get involved in any specific group or may I call it: "Hobby Gang"? I am not even a member of the providers' board! I do not need to be friends with another lady in order to give her referral or receive one. I get many emails from ladies I have never heard of, they ask me for referral and I give it to them. That's it! No gossiping no black listing ( Of course if I get raped or robbed I will make sure all the ladies know about the asshole who did it to me) but I never do that to a client just because he gave me a bad review or he had 3 nipples! We all need to grow up and remember why we are here. Let's keep it civilized and fun! It's no high school message board here! Who ever created this site obviously had great intentions of helping this hobby and did a great job, speaking for myself I would never be able to pay my bills if it was not for my reviews on TER. Someone came up with a genius idea and created this site, this tool for all of us to use it the right way and benefit from it. The hammer is for nails not for each others' heads!

Do I make any sense? Or am I just babbling?

Love, hugs and kisses

Lily


PS. JD, sorry did not mean to hijack your post. I know what I wrote is not very related to the topic you started. it's meant to be a response to pbJohn's discussion.

You didn't hijack my post -- I want EVERYONE's input on this one.

We have gotten away from the real reason why we are all here for:  For safe guys to see safe chicks and have a good time.  

The review problem is critical to this site. It is the main attraction to this site but if the reviews are white washed, then the value is worthless. If the ladies are selectively performing "better" for certain guys and the guys are being overly critical of the ladies, then no one benefits from the reviews in the end.  

To me, this problem is more than just a review issue. Its a community issue.  If we are all here for our own selfish reasons and not giving back, even just a little, to this community, then why are were here? We should all just go back to the days of meeting people on Hollywood Blvd and taking our chances.  

Lately, I have heard nothing but issues with this hobby. I know a hobbyist with a wallet full of bills and every chick he contacted is playing email tag with him. Too many missed connections or disappointing session. This should not be happening. Come on people, the real world sucks right now, this is the one place were we can escape reality and have fun, one hour at a time.

recently i had reviews unapproved, first stating not enough info was given about the session then again for stating i was using abusive language.... wtf?????  if anyone has even browsed through the reviews i have submitted i provide as much info and detail as possible.  i contact ter about the situation i had and i resubmitt the reviews that i had wrote unchanged then it gets approved.  i think there's someone asleep at the switch on the ter review board. on top of all this i agree with you jimmydean on the fact that ter is way too overbearing on preventing personal feeling from being hurt not only to providers but to those who post on these forums.

Agree with JD, may I suggest Reviewers only board? At least over there you are not running into backlash

There is no reason for the board existence without an honest opinion.

OK, JD, I completely agree with your frustration about getting reviews listed, but please don't start ragging on everyone who gives an 8 or 9 in looks. As I have always said- beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Check out your own reviews where you've given a gal 10, only to have another reviewer give her a 7. The key is to give a factual description (perhaps in a non-hurtful manner)instead of an arbitrary number. But I do agree that the TER policy has become more restrictive as time has gone on. But what's the alternative? Do we throw out the baby with the bath water? For reasons unknown, the corporate policy of TER has issued certain guidelines that are in effect. We either live with it or we move on. There are other review sites out there as I am sure you are well aware. Ciao.

I'm not saying quit TER.  Though I don't know what the point is for me anymore.  I hunt just fine on my own and the times I come to TER to find some high priced sure thing it always turns out to be a high priced average thing.

Last week I got anal for an hour for 200 from a super hot young girl and it was amazing.  So clearly I can hunt on my own.

I don't suggest we try to change the new TER in Holland.  The old ter was Dave and I often picked up the phone to Bs with him about things.  The new TER is probably run by chicks -- that's the only explanation for what's going on these days.

ALL I AM SUGGESTING is that guys STOP giving out their TER handles to girls for approval.  I really think that's all it will take to get us back to honest reviews.

And don't say then after fucking we talked about boiling the perfect three minute egg because that info is useless and identifies you to the provider.  

STAY ANONYMOUS AND STAY BRUTALLY HONEST.

If the girl was hot say so, but if she was pretty fucking average have the brass to say that too.

HELP THESE GIRLS IMPROVE FROM AVERAGE to amazing.  It's possible.

I went to see a provider a few years back who was getting GREAT reviews.

The door opened and I stepped in to be faced by an OBVIOUS post-op tranny. VERY obvious. I turned to leave and the provider said, "Don't leave! I  will be amazing! I don't ever use condoms."

I immediately bolted out the door.

When I got home and tried to write a review it was DENIED.

Why?

Because (as the mod told me in a reply to my query) it might put the provider in danger if people found out she/he was a post-op tranny giving uncovered full service.

Are you KIDDING ME??? That is EXACTLY the kind of info I'd want before I made an appointment.

Oh, and this provider has 2-3 pages of glowing reviews, by the way...just sayin'...

That is the part I don't know how to fix.  Because for all I know it's a tranny in Amsterdam running things now.

The only part I know how to fix is to advise the guys to stop giving out their TER handles to providers or anyone ever and to insist on posting accurate reviews or none at all.

I only trust the old established members with years of reviews going back to 2001/ 2002 or the guys I know from the M&G parties. We know who we are and 99% of the time the reviews are spot on. The 1 % difference is individual tastes. We who  have been in at the begining know what and why we are here for. This is a fucking great hobby not a goosip stage or a shrinks couch or a lonely hearts club. We get to be with women we could never in a million years be with without this service. But over the years the management has probably turned over a thousand times and thus making a revolving standard of review proceedures. So all we can do is unite and complain and bring awareness to them of our customer unsatisfaction and threaten to go to other sites. Its all about the money honey. It`s just the way the greed has mutated our lives . Look at what has happened the last couple of years with the econony, mortgages, credit cards, banks, it`s fucking bullshit. I know we are getting fucked by the world corporations and Opec and the feds but do they have to fuck us to death. Im ready to join the revolution..... Are you with me.... shit we stopped the Vietnam war in the 70s Ok easy Paulie..... all that acid  was flashing back.....gotta go and have a drink. Have a nice week

We all have noticed a change in the administration and their policy on reviews. I myself have had several rejected and the last one took a week to be approved (after I emailed them to see if there was a problem).

Pauliewalnuts has been around the block once or twice and truly is one of the best writers on the review boards. I have found a higher number of suspicious or down right false reviews. Personal tastes and different services from the ladies add into the mix heavily. BUT truth is truth. If a lady does not belong in this business the guys need to know. If she needs to improve her service or be honest with her sales pitch, the guys need to know. If a lady has let herself go and needs to visit the gym, the guys need to know. If a lady is still charging premium retainers and delivering average services, the guys need to know.

I write very few reviews compared to the number of ladies I have seen over the years and most of the ladies I do see come from referrals or trusted reviewers like PAULIEWALNUTS.


And again I have to agree.  I think I've been honest in my reviews but my sin is one of omission--not submitting reviews of bad experiences.  In the future I'll submit the bad with the good (as I did in my earlier years) and to hell with the flames.

i doubt this could be true

without our review who would be willing to pay $20 per month?

TER needs review

Oh yeah.  I've had to go back and "tone down" things many a time.  I do get a feeling that TER is VERY inconsistent on what is allowed , not allowed, what's posted.  I've read reviews that are complete bullshit, and I've sent PMs to these so called reviewers, and of course they never reply -- they are just posting fake reviews for free membership.  Or they may be shills.  Some of the reviews are completely ridiculous, with no real information, which this site is supposed to be for.  I realize not everyone has the ability to write great prose, but some of the stuff I read is completely ridiculous.  Then I take the time to write an honest review of my personal experience, and I get shot down for using language TER doesn't like.   After a while, you start looking for recognizable honest reviewer names rather than reading a bunch of reviews at face value because there is so much BS out there.   Quite frustrating.

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