...helps your fellow mongers to save money and time and is one of the main purposes of review sites such as this one.

Understand where you're coming from... I'm all for giving candid reviews covering the good, bad, ugly etc. of an experience with a provider. One of the problems with an open board is with providers with big egos who have personal vendettas against those who do not reward them with stellar reviews. Thankfully this is less prevalent in the K-girl world than it is in dealing with the overblown egos of your typical American provider, but due to previous unsettling experiences I no longer post reviews on open boards (i.e. where providers have ready access). However I'm happy to exchange 411 in PMs with those able and willing to reciprocate.

reliable information is MORE important, and the place to exchange that info is by way of writing a comprehensive review.  Most reviews just list the services the guy got.  The menu is already in the profile, so why regurgitate the menu.  What I want to know (and very few reviews provide) is what is the girl LIKE, not what she did.  When you did something, or said something, what was HER reaction.  Was she mostly submissive, mostly aggressive, or a combination?  Does she have a sense of humor?  Was she playful?  What is her personality like?  Was she engaging or did you have to pull the conversation out of her?  These are all ingredients in evaluating GFE service.  Its supposed to be "how much did she react like a real life girlfriend would in creating your GFE fantasy session?"  Her kissing style?  Blow job style? Otherwise, just cut and paste this generic review . . . . .

I agree about details, although I see nothing wrong with listing what you liked and what you didn't like. Listing which services you got is largely redundant, agreed. The reviews that describe step by step routines are also largely redundant. We know blue toast and shower routines, etc. Unless there's something special or something bad about shower (killer preview routine or stalling prolonged shower) I rarely mention it.  

...They deflected and distracted from it by changing the subject and going off on a tangent.  At least they haven't personally attacked you yet.  Oh wait, CDL HAS attacked you personally when you dared challenge his authority:

...together as if they had the same trait.  Gee, what if someone lumped ALL K-girls together as all being the same?

Well, while I understand your sentiment, I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion.

Come on now, are you really gonna act like indie providers don't do this shit ? The amount of stories I heard on this board alone, let alone some other boards, and from some fellow mongers who see non-asian providers...

And now your post is very likely to attract an endless flaming war and will further detract from my point...neither CDL nor Slam have personally attacked me here yet. CDLs post did stray off the initial topic, but other than that we were having a civil discussion. Let's try to keep it this way.

Of course it does.  But SLAMP made it sound like ALL "indie" providers have "personal vendettas" if they get a bad review when he referred to them as "typical American providers."

...CDL simply took Black-Panther's excellent advice:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/re-i-dont-bring-anything-----971332?page=1

before mine in his first post on that thread, and I responded to him,  then he doubled down without a link  to a single  post of mine that supported his attack.  As one of those named in his attack, don't you find it ironic that he comes on the GD board to complain about political feuds on the P & R board.  I have no idea why he included me.  I doubt he's going to find ANY posts of mine where I make a political comment on a board other than P & R to back up his spurious claim.  

...to attack him.  I merely posted a link from another thread, yet you decided to attack Black-Panther: "I must have bitch-slapped him;" "this worm;" "lack of integrity;" "not having a pair of balls;" "Pink-Panther;" "delicate sensibilities;" "sissies."

Reviews can be (and usually are) gamed.  This applies to all review for everything from Amazon merchandise to escorts.  
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A negative review might be honest, or it might be from a competitor, or it might be from someone with a revenge motive.
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Similarly a positive review might be honest, might be a fake from the provider or a fanboi, or in TER's case someone just trying to scam free VIP days.
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The disincentive to post negative reviews is discussed by others above.  But are they essential?  I think probably not.  Even if there are only positive reviews you can judge by the number of positive reviews versus their time in service and also by their general content.  Consistently poor performers are not going to generate lots of positive reviews.

I do think a relatively good "Hounds of Baskerville" type argument could be made that makes a similar case. A bad provider just not getting reviews will always be seen as questionable and the longs she stays around without reviews the stronger the signal "look elsewhere for better" gets.

I'm not sure what is meant by 'essential'. A negative review is very different from a general lack of reviews. There are people who will take a shot at someone with very few reviews, but many of the same people probably will not take this shot if there are 2-3 negative reviews that detail why they're negative. Yes, a kgirl provider whos been around for a few months and has very few reviews is sometimes a tell by itself, but not necessarily. I've met providers with few reviews who were great. Also met providers with few review who were not great.

I think my main issue with this approach is that you're looking more for a vouch and not detailed review of the girl. That is fine, but I would think a review site such as this one is more than a vouch collection... some details such as implants or tats or piercing is a instant no-go for some mongers, and it's also something that they are looking at in reviews. Vouches aren't enough for htat.

Detailed reviews, especially as described by CDL, as opposed to simple menu lists are valuable. I have been unable to find any real value in negative reviews.

" The girl simply disappears very quickly. She or the org will change her name and she’ll be back with no reviews."

Umm. Did you even read past the headline?

Here's a good example.

You say that most of the time bad reviews usually result in the girl disappearing immediately thereafter, if that is the case than I have to conclude it means that the review system actually works. I WANT bad providers to either up their game or get out of the business and if they reappear under a new name, I would hope that they would be immediately outed the moment the first guy who recognizes her from her previous name.

You are misquoting. For example, try to find the way I described the comparative time frames to bad reviews and lack thereof.

Please don't answer that question, first off it's a rhetorical question and secondly your answer itself is sure to be a lie as well.

Now you want to define “bad review” just to fit your purposes.

I literally quoted your sentences that were well past the "headline".  

respond on the GD board.  The truth is that I COULDN'T respond because Admin closed the thread.   Once again, you  pull words out of context to make them seem ominous.  Still as intellectually dishonest as ever, aren't you?  

That's what MediaAdmin and Black-Panther were talking about in that thread on the General Board.  But you are such a butt-hurt hateful asshole that you carry it over to every other board on TER (except the Newbie board).

The failure of the thought experiment here is that simply changing the the "critical" to "non-critical" in your description of the review produced the exact same results. So the value is not about critical or non-critical -- by which I think everyone is reading you as saying low scoring review is the critical one -- but really about neutral informational content rather than the assessment of positive or negative by the review.

"Product" ...  Really?

When someone else does it, they are uneducated, a liar, a moron, or all of the above. What a lying fucking hypocrite you are.

the irony in HIM telling YOU to keep your hatred on the politics board.  He is exempt from the rules he wants to impose on every one else.  I'm surprised being a board Nazi comes so easily to him.  Maybe he's descended from a long line of snitches?  BLPOS meltdown in 3 . . . .2 . . . .1 . . . .

Leave it to a lying POS like him to link a thread where it was HE who got his ass kicked and proved how it's him that can't stand civil conversation.  

I don't think most providers think mentioning their implants, tats or piercings regard that as a negative.  Most of them are rather proud of their enhancements.  

I'm buying a service that is sold and reviewing the said service as a product, yes. I also review the services of pro CMTs, auto mechanics, doctors, and so on . Services they all sell as a product. Imagine that.

My initial post talks about negative reviews, like you've noted " you started this thread talking about average and bad experiences". I consider a "negative" review anything that is non-glowing generic reviews that are abundant here on donkey and elsewhere.

Hard to avoid, admittedly yes.

This is a very good question and point, Jensen. Thanks for addressing the actual point here.  This is a GREAT post.  

So, by your own admission, you weren’t responding to my post. You were just continuing your soapbox.

I'll start with the nice. Basically you're saying RTFM, or in other words read and follow the TER Review Guidelines. However you're including the keep the emotional response "If you feel" which then easily leads to a non-objective and somewhat biased report of the event. This is why the guideline suggest waiting a day or two before writing the review.

Well, let's see. I made a thread talking about negative reviews, citing an article that talked in-depth about negative reviews and how consumers approach them.

As you would say, *yawn*. I lost interest in ad hominem insults sometime in middle school.

First, I thank you for avoiding needless hostility, unlike some others in this thread. I know it might be hard to do, but I applaud you for restraining yourself.

Please explain what value you are actually adding here? If you could stick to actually helping other mongers - which I’ve actually seen you do on occasion - rather than all this posturing and soapboxing, I think you’d be much more effective at making the positive difference you claim to be striving for.

I believe I was talking to maui here. Your post is neither on topic nor addresses the questions I asked maui. If you actually want to help me like you claim, let's take it to pm. Otherwise it's just what you're accusing me of - posturing.  

...what you really think or are you just lying your ass off?  Yes, you're lying your ass off because you're GaGoebbels, purveyor of the Big Lie.  You lie and lie and hope people will believe it.

Dude, don't you have a fucking life? Can't you think of ANYTHING better to do than bring P&R drama to a board that clearly doesn't want you here?

Except I clearly described a bad review as one that would end a girl’s career. Then, in my later post I clearly named it as a career ending review.

In a later post, after you accused me of not reading ?

One of his biggest meltdowns on this board.  He is so predictable.  

Your methodology is forcing people to come up with some other way to describe a review that is actually bad. Because you keep using the term for reviews that are simply less than glowing. So, I just added “career ending” because there are reviews that end careers. I just haven’t seen them on TER yet. Back in the MRB days they were not uncommon.  

I would love it if the current TER initiative on Best Reviews resulted in everyone getting on train 2 -- bad review is about a poorly written, uninformative review.  

Amen, brother. Amen.

"This is quite opposite to what some of people on here keep saying about mongers who don't read negative reviews . . . .",  I don't believe I ever said mongers don't read negative reviews.  What I said is that most mongers I know don't USUALLY read reviews with scores that are 6 and below.    The exception for me is a provider who has an equal number of review scores below 7 as they do 7 and above, but this is not all that common.  If a girl has 20 reviews and they are all 7 and up except for two or three,  which is the usual scenario, I won't bother to read those that are below 7.  Its because after 800+ Kgirls, I'm confident that I know how to engage a girl in a playful way to get her best performance MOST of the time.  It may still end up being average or below average, but 15% of her reviews being below seven would not have dissuaded me from seeing her if the other 85% is 7 or above.  I'm an odds guy, so I like it when the odds are heavily in my favor, and I've doing this long enough to know there is no way to get the risk to zero.

I am all for better terminology.  

Take a look at my reviews. Even when reviewing an experience I did not overall enjoy very much, I still seek out positives which others may like, and vice versa - a girl who is my ATF, I will note that some may not like her appearance as much (I know one review back on the donkey said that he walked once seeing her).

Yes, you are one of those people. OK, they don't "usually" read negative reviews, fine. The article says that 85% of people read negative reviews and 91% of younger people read negative reviews. That was my point.

You're giving me the last word because you got nuttin' left - I exposed you for the liar you are.

My point was not about terminology per se but about objective and impartial reviews with a suggestion that might help more reviews actually get there.

OK. 7 is “average and below”. So, what do you call “bad”? 4?

average overall scores, because some reviewers grade differently than others.  For instance, my seven means the girl was below average, where another 7 may accompany a glowing review, but 7 is the highest score the guy has ever given, so to try to average two scores that mean something entirely different is a fools errand, but I will still make my cutoff for reading them at 7, because I have learned over the 12 years I have been here, and after reading over 100,000 TER reviews, that most guys give an average score of about 8.0-8.2, not 5, to a girl who gave them decent service.  

Yes, the article was from a viewpoint of "how shall I appeal better to a customer to make more money".

For me, a bad review is the fault of the reviewer, not the girl.  I have read thousands of reviews that were 8's and 9's but still gave very little information to help me make an informed decision about whether to see a particular girl or not. If there were likes or dislikes I had with a girl, I will usually put them in the last paragraph of my review.   If they are only about her looks, I might put them in the first paragraph.  For those that haven't noticed, I will discuss my impressions of her appearance  and personality first.  Then a summary of the session, including her reactions along the way, and they my final paragraph is a short summary of her strengths (and weaknesses, if any).  

The ones that I have paid any attention to seems more like the liker was rating the story rather than a review.

I thought you were talking about not reading a review of girls with average scores below 7. Turns out you were talking about not reading individual reviews below 7. Sorry, I misread it.

One more time, the gist of my gripe is simple.