I pre booked a session two days in advance with a booker I have worked with for over a year. I go through them at least once a month and this was the third time, I was seeing this girl. I confirmed the session that morning! I'm getting ready and I get a text to book a few hours later, that time didn't fit in my schedule, I declined! I do two-hour sessions with certain girls with them and consider myself a good client!

Yes, sometimes you get bumped.  

Maybe it was you that bumped me! LOL! At least I could have been invited to the party! Thanks for the post, good info! I will start having a backup plan!

Based on useyrhead’s analysis, there’s a 2 in 5 chance you were bumped. I wouldn’t worry about it unless it happens again.

Have had sessions canceled many times over the years.  POs have said, among other things, that the guy before me decided to extend so I was bumped.  Have been canceled the morning of, while trying to confirm, on my way to an appointment (maybe 30 minutes before start time), and even one time while I was knocking on the door LOL.

when I'm seeing a new girl for the first time.  All of my repeats are two hours (and I have done a few that were 3 when its the birthday of one of my regulars), so even though I have never asked to bump another monger, I know it has happened in order to accommodate a two-hour request.   It has also happened TO me with the orgs that I use less frequently.  Its part of the game, and you can't take it personally.  The booker's job is to maximize the revenue stream and so two-hour sessions get priority in most instances.  

Priority is given to "vip" mongers or those who book for multiple hours often. It's a shitty practice, of course. It actually is very prevalent in the storefront amp world, where girls working there always prefer bird in the hand to the one in the bush.

I don't have anything to add, but just think that it's funny how you're trying to quantify this.

Thanks for all the posts and good information! Always good when a thread is helpful and informative without any left field   input! I hope I didn't jinx anything, LOL!  

will attest, there are many things in the Kgirl scene that can be quantified relative to how often you hobby, how much time you book, how much you are spending with each org, and how much trouble it is for the booker and/or the girl to continue to accept your business.  You can even quantify how long it will take you to learn things on your own based on these same factors.    

What is the value in attempting to quantify such things when the true volume of business is unknown? For example, what is your statistic of 60-70% based on?

On the topic of getting bumped...

Its important to learn which hobbyists write REAL reviews and which authors write FAKE reviews.  

I think every reply to the OP involves some level of quantification as there’s no way to answer with absolute confidence (i.e. 100%). The alternative to Yes, Bumped or No, Not Bumped can only be maybe.

thousands of posts and PM's from mongers who have experienced last-minute cancellations over the years.  There are some common threads form which reasonable estimates can be made.  Since you didn't start here until TER re-emerged from the darkness of 2018-2019, I agree there have not been enough NEW posts on this topic, nor has it been a hot topic for PM's (most guys I talk with privately are veterans who know its common and just shrug it off as part of the game, as I said above), so if you are depending on THIS particular board to draw any conclusions,  then you haven't been here long enough.  There have been many other Kgirl boards over the years (AF, RB, LAks, all now closed, and others that are still open but cannot be mentioned on TER), where guys have posted about this happening to them with enough detail to conclude what it takes to avoid being bumped and how often bumping happens.

I received a text from the booker and was told the girl was sick and to give it a couple of days for her to get better. Period, maybe? Total time frame would be 4 or 5 days, so that fits. Plus, booker did reach out!

So you are effectively scared to say something to them because they have the power to bl you if you were to complain?

But maybe that's just me who cares about well being and fairness to regular Joe mongers,and will take it any time over pussy.

I wouldn't use the word scared, but sometimes you have to use discretion to play on their field! I also know there are other fields to play on! And I do play on them! Sometimes you have to play along to get along! But, if I do get pissed I'm not beyond taking it up a notch! However, I'm a grown man and have been around the block, a lot! I don't get offended, I get the pussy I want! That's the name of the game, right!

Apparently it wasn't seen that I put the laughing eyes at the end of the sentence, I was kind of joking!  

wtf, hilarious.

Personally, I'm well aware who Richard Pryor is, hell I'm a fan.

I'm not depending on any board to draw conclusions, because like I've implied, it makes little sense to me to try to rationalize why a specific instance of bumping occurred when you're not in contact with the girl. Once you consider that most mongers are not active online, it lends even less weight to the "thousands of posts and PM's" you've received.  

I'd ask for a negative covid test just to be sure! If she's on BC, I'd imagine her period and recovery time would last less than 5 days, if she even has one.

First, sorry it happened to you and glad to hear that you got the answer and it was not you getting bumped by a higher valued client. (Just as an aside I don't really know if it is worth caring about the why -- regardless you don't get the appointment when you planned. It's not like this type of last minute cancellation never happens in the "real world".)

Here goes Jensen, likely trying to downplay the practice by asking about the frequency. Even one time is too fucking many, what difference does it make if the frequency is one in 10 or in 50?  

because I don't get bumped more than a couple times a a year, and its only with the orgs I am low-volume with, but compared to the number of sessions I have in a year, it doesn't move the needle much, for sure less than 1%, so yes, a lot of my conclusions are anecdotal from info gleaned from others that I trust to be reliable. .  

In other words, cdl is ok with relying on second-hand info as long as it fits his narrative and idea of credibility. But if someone like me uses second-hand info, it is criticized.  

In the years I’ve been seeing k-girls, I’ve had this happen a pretty small number of times. More than 5, but definitely less than 10.

I stopped using an org that was doing bait & switch and calling it photo shopping. I've been asked to reschedule, but never after the session was confirmed! I have been penciled in to see if the girl would work that day. The booker said their girls confirmed a working day, the morning before that day, then you would be locked in. This is from a few different bookers I have used.

Period was my guess. The 4 to 5 day time was my estimation. From when it started and then was told give it a day or two.

with the guy that was bragging about bumping another guy's session?

I've never experienced a last-minute cancellation.

No, I was not equating your question with what that guy (again, he's in this thread) said. I merely said, I think you're asking the question in order to downplay the shitty practice. Everything else in my post had nothing to do with you or your question.

It’s all a matter of perspective. I don’t think most readers took his answer as an attempt to downplay the practice of bumping. But your perspective is unique. You really are invested in tracking bad experiences with the orgs/POs, so any incidence of such an experience seems like a bigger deal to you.

I don't really get how you can say I'm the exception, when a certain invidual in this very thread says, I quote,  

You cited two, including yourself, who have experienced multiple last minute bumps. I can cite at least two here, including myself, who haven’t experienced a last minute bump. I venture to say those are exceptions and the rule falls somewhere in between our two different experiences.

I think it's time you re-read the thread.  

Great reply.

That statement was about the bouquet - or collection - of bad practices. A bump is just one of them.

If you have some trusted mongers nearby is to have them try to schedule at your spot and see what happens. Especially if some of them include vips/"insiders". Or maybe they go for 2hrs.  

If an agency habitually abuses its clients then the clients should leave and give their money to more deserving businesses. If they have some bad/inexperienced providers that use their services, but generally provide a good value and service proposition then feedback for improvement is good for everyone.  

We all hate reschedules because we have planned work and other activities. What I have found is that those that are the most resentful of a cancellation, and generally demanding explanations they can then judge as acceptable/valid or not tend to be the ones that are both less desired in the effort and, often, less productive over all.

The clients should at the very least let all the other bros, even those without premium access, that the agency is trash. Leaving silently is a disservice to  
fellow mongers, because they are the ones who also gonna be fucked. Why would you want your fellow mongers to ever be disappointed the same way you did? Is it some kind of royal Nonesuch from Huck Finn?

Can you name this org publicly, badger? Because I went through your reviews and couldn't find a hint.  

So you are saying he's citing hearsay? Interesting.

you had tried to have the discussion I was starting you might have contributed to producing an answer to you question about just what "though not that often" might really mean.

The quote is "thought not that often", I've been called out for "misinterpreting" typos so I wanted to make sure this is indeed what he meant.

I just know how white knights think.

Spectrum boy - what excuse did I make?

Until then all you are doing is saying "Here is thing the is bad by definition. Isn't it fair game to call it bad?."

By definition?  Gotta admit I'm pleasantly surprised by you even saying that.  

I didn't do a review on that girl & org, don't exactly remember why. I know I didn't like the double cross and just said fuck it and fuck them! I had just returned from a hiatus and unfortunately, I didn't consider the power that could have been used against them and maybe make them straighten up and fly right, by doing a review! The first couple of times they used real out of date pics and when I asked about them the booker said photoshop! The last time was a straight out bait & switch and when I asked, they used the same excuse, PS'd! So, by then I was fed up and just walked! I think they're shut down, but it was acektownla! I haven't seen or cared anything about them!

Does anything about this guy’s posts lead you to believe that:

I didnt know that posting a lot was a prerequisite to being a shill.
Pretty sure it isn't.

Thanks man! That org had real shit rep and I'm glad it's gone.

First, your use of quotes below is clearly not a scare quote usage. Rather, you are using the marks to denote a direct quotation!

You mean I used it to refer to a term? Right. I do not remember you explaining your name at all, but it's a common name anyway.  

You just really can't understand contextual information bodied in human language. It is a pretty interesting case.

Ah, another thread forced to the right margin by the little rocket felcher. It must really suck to be him. If only he could find a job, or a friend, or an Org that hasn’t black-listed him. A sad little fella is he!

Thanks for clarifying - this indeed makes more sense. My bad for misreading.

No problem Rocket, I used them in the early days and didn't realize the practice of heavy PSing and B&S by the org's. Some of the Kgirls I was seeing were using their bodies, but blurring their face. Once you had visited them and saw the pic again you could see that is was them on the website! After that I could get an idea about how any new girls looked!

Just to be clear, the girls I was talking about were not from aceKtown! I only had trouble with aceKtown, nothing ever worked out, looks wise, with them! Service could be from ok to surprisingly good! I only saw maybe three girls and no repeats!

I figured you guys would like the answer to my thread post. Had the session, really great by the way, I was kind of wondering what was going on and would I be bumped, shined on, or told not to bother them anymore! I didn't know if I'd get a confirmation text! I know, I am thinking too much about it, but that's how it played out!

Much ado about nothing?

That is if we are to believe the girl. Which is something I geeneraly wouldn't do.

Quite a few informative posts to be about nothing! And, a lot more then I thought it would generate. Also, it didn't seem to go off topic or really have any annoying BS Troll posts, I recall one!

It’s absolutely a false equivalency, and while I’m not about to break out a syllabus of a Logic 101 course to deconstruct the fallacy, I’ll make a very obvious point. There’s NO comparison between a criminal robbing or sexually assaulting a provider and the inconvenience of having a date cancelled.

You seem to be putting those fears to rest with your update.  

1. Filming provider is hardly robbing her. And I get it, any shit tactic by org/provide is merely "inconvenience"

Nice catch. Looks like you’ve discovered what I’ve believed for a long time: The little rocket felcher is long on rhetoric and has a vivid imagination, but he’s very short on character and integrity. He just makes shit up to advance his vendetta against KOrgs and KGirls hoping guys won’t call him out like you did and I have (I’ve had him on ignore for a few months; that’s why I’m no longer in his arguments). The sooner more guys realize this and ignore him the sooner we’ll have less threads running into the right margin.

I never had a problem with you besides you slinging personal insults at me, my family and so forth.

Reason #3 happened to me a few years ago with LV in North SJ.
Douchebag client just before me was so rough with her that PO messaged me about it, and LV subsequently quit and went back to Korea.

Sure thing. I love to experiment and research. Just the other day I managed to dig up some very, very peculiar public records related to clubvip fiasco in May.

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/washington-dc-6/tessa-312087?page=1

That is really fucked up!! Some of these bookers are on a power trip and hopefully it will catch up to them!

That's true, at first I was pissed off and skeptical about being confirmed, asked to make another appointment and then she's not well give it a couple of days! But, in the end I had the session and the girl told me the reason! But, that will not take away my skeptical nature.

I left TER on when I fell asleep last night and when I looked at it this morning I was logged out and I could see the posts of folks I have on ignore, so I saw your response. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP! If your goal was to protect vulnerable mongers, you would:

I was going to tell you about JR's post. But then figured you would find it yourself!

You've accused me of having no integrity. I've answered that I pride myself on integrity.

So after trusted monger booked his regular girl, and got you bumped, did trusted monger stop seeing the girl?

No. Why?

It’s not just Kgirls and Korgs he clearly has problems with. It is, as you mentioned above, any monger who dares disagree with him. He has two favorite terms he uses for these people: White knights and different variations on anti-monger.  

for the agency scene it seems the best for younger ladies is the Chinese place here. If you're traveling here and looking for the under and passing for under 32 that is where I'd point you. Narumi would be my specific recommendation for that - she is in the under 25 category and I'm highly confident that is "is under" not just "passes for under".  Japanese. They have some others there that are under that 32 age as but not sure if they are as good a choice.

Didn't you just say you didn't monger for most of 2020 or 2021? How are you maintaining those different profiles if that's the case? If you meant to say that the frequency for those profiles was before 2020, then I don't know of any agencies that respect status for more than a few months, much less a year and a half.

high volume, i.e., 6-10 sessions at the same org in a month, they will keep you in their client list for years.  I'm still getting text messages announcing the arrivals of new girls at orgs I have not patronized since the beginning of 2018.  If you respond once in awhile that you're in a relationship right now, but you will come back when it eventually blows up, it will keep your name on the list for another two or three years.  

In other posts you are the fucking expert on indi's when in face you seldom review indi's...so in that sense you are closer to your knowledge points.  However aside from your foolish MAKE BELIEVE international forays like London and Korea you've only really researched a few markets (OC, LA, LV).  The rest of it is PURE BULLSHIT.

Can anyone else corroborate this? Why would a business, with an almost-inexhaustible stream of demand, treat you like a high-volume monger for years after you stopped seeing them. They care about profit. Why would they give perks to someone in the hopes that they return to use their service? They can easily find tens of mongers to fill the financial void you've left behind. Same thing goes for the relationship business. Why would they care about that? Once you stop paying, it makes little sense for them to maintain your status for "another two to three years". How did you come up with those numbers, by the way? Sounds like yet another thing you pulled out of your ass.

but when I took a break from mid 2019 to the end on 2019 the one agency still operating in 2019 (the other, unfortunately got closed down by LE) that I was with didn't bat an eye when I texted for an appointment. I was something of a long time customer but hardly a high volume one. Sometimes I would not even go there for a month or so (better choices at the other place) but sometimes I would be there 3 or 4 times in a month.

Maybe it's futile to answer this if you're not part of an agency, but I'm not talking about them keeping your number in their system. I'm referring to status, which you failed to address in your response. Will an agency maintain status after close to a year or more of not visiting them? So far, both you and BDP have failed to answer this.

Although there is a “almost-inexhaustible” demand for KGirls, my experience here in the Washington DC market is that the agencies are very risk averse to having to screen new clients. From following the regional board, it seems there are some long established agencies here that will go months without accepting new clients. Yet if you’ve had several appointments and are using the same phone number to contact them, it’s possible to go for months without a visit and then pick up the phone and successfully schedule a same day appointment.

What's a "BDP?"  

It's not a "what", but rather, a "who" and in this case it's you. You should know it by now, Bouche-de-poulet. I can't believe I have to repeat what Rocket has said before, but look at you ignoring my prompt.

What status are you talking about?

It was meant to draw attention to how important reading is for young people and how much fun it is to read.

I think he is conflating “almost-inexhaustible” demand with there being a similar amount of customers who can pass screening at the various orgs.  Sure, everyone in their right mind wants to see Kgirls, but many cannot pass screening.  This is a frequent lament of many would-be Kgirl mongers on several Kgirl discussion boards, not just here.  

It seems like you're missing the premise of Rocket's experiment which is that different visit frequencies equate to differential treatment when it comes to getting bumped. I'm challenging that the visit frequencies he lists in his 4 different profiles remain relevant to agencies after more than a year of not using them. That's the status I'm referring to.

No, my premise was NEVER that. I merely described profiles of different accounts so it has some context.

Being on the black balled list throughout the DC/MD/VA market CKS is painfully aware that once you are a dick to agencies they flip the switch to off.

True, I keep him on ignore so if I'm logged in I don't see his posts and even when I read without logging in a try not to read them most of the time but find I have to check now and then or he spins his stories. I just saw that post a few minutes ago.

Again, the point is not whether they would forget your previous history, but whether they would continue to treat you as a high-volume, valuable client after more than a year of not using them. In what industry does status remain relevant after a long period of disuse?

If the context of the profiles had no impact on your experiment, why mention it?

My question is why would they change it if they have the information and the person previously demonstrated the valued behavior as a frequent flier as it were. They are not really incurring much, if any, of a cost in thinking the past would be an indication of current behavior.

I did not say it had no impact. I said, it was never the premise that certain profile get preferrrential treatment. Yes they do, but the goal was never to tie the profile to degree of preference.

Maybe we should start a thread about what is currently working and/or not working in regard to making and keeping backup plans.

Two different paths come to mind.

I disagree with number 3. The more people let them know what they really think, and more times it's piblicly voiced, the more they will know there spushback for shit practices  

Given that NOTHING is what I said in point 3 had ANYTHING to do with what anyone knows or says just what are you disagreeing with? Just another of your straw men you keep adding to my posts.

I disagreed with the part about anger/frustration and burning bridges being bad. I'm of the opinion of people can't handle a monger being frustrated and would burn bridge as a result, these people aren't worthy to keep a bridge with to begin with.

Judging by what I can see, it looks like the only responses other than yours, Mr. 36363, is a criticism of some sort.  

I feel that when you get to a certain point, burning a bridge, I hope you have some time to see if that is a good course of action! You think about it and what could happen down the road, after burning the bridge and say "Fuck it"! I will live with my decision!  

If you decide that some agency or person is doing something you want nothing to do with you don't need to burn the bridge by getting into arguments. Just leave and never go back. At that point those people/agencies are not part of the equation at all and never will (nor would someone want them to) figure into a backup plan.  

I can think of a few agencies that started off kind of rough, i.e., mixed up appointments, etc., where two guys would show up for the same girl at the same time.  After they get their shit together and developed a system for tracking everything, they may become just like any other agency, so why CREATE an adversarial relationship because you didn't like the way it went.  As badger pointed out, there might come a time when they are the only agency still standing, and they won't respond to you because of a prior bitch-slapping you gave the booker that really didn't change anything.   He just needed time to learn the business and get his own act together. Stop going, and if you start to read reviews about what a great experience working with that booker is, then try them again.  Burning bridges does nothing but make sure you will be excluded in the future no matter what happens or what changes they make.

because of the girl and not because of the booker.  The first time it happened to me (2015) was when I was a regular with a popular OC girl and I texted the same day for an appointment.  I specifically told the booker I know its short notice and I did not want to bump anyone else who already pre-booked.  He told me she already instructed him to give me priority whenever I wanted to see her, and wouldn't tell me if he had to move anyone to accommodate my request.  I was uncomfortable with it, so after that I always tried to make my requests for her at least 2-3 days in advance.  I never booked same day with her again.   So my point is, its not always up to the booker.  Sometimes the girls that like you and want your business are behind the bumping and the booker just does what they ask, so you should not always blame the org.  

My comment was completely related to #3 point you made. I pointed out that frustration is natural when someone on their ends fuck up, and people shouldn't have their emotions stifled with the fear of burning bridges. Once people sniff out that monger is afraid to criticize a bookers practice or exercise his rights, next time they won't think twice about applying a shit practice to him because they know they got him valuing his membership too much.  

We will have to agree to disagree. You are taking an opportunistic approach, while I'm taking an ideological approach.

That's why they re-named Orange County Airport in 2015.  Conspicuous Dick Lover never asked for that to change the name from JWA to CDL.  In fact he objected so much so that he stopped flying from JWA to his hourly job at Albertson's in Costa Mesa.  

I hold the view that if someone is concerned with customer satisfaction, he/she should listen to your complaints. And yes, apologize. If the booker is unprofessional, and is called unprofessional, he/she shouldn't get mad for the truth.

I was just saying that burning a bridge can be pretty final. I think you can get your point/concerns across to the org, through the booker and still remain in good or ok standing, if you choose your words and tone correctly! That might sound like being afraid or kissing ass, but I think it would make the people that you are addressing a little more receptive to hearing what you're saying and work with you!

of an old maxim that I use in my business . . . . . "Respect can me demanded, but loyalty must be earned."  This makes the hobby a two-way street.  Besides the respect that bookers demand, they are also trying to win our continuing business, so  bridge-burning will apply at the point that you have made yourself more trouble than your business is worth.  They will put up with a LITTLE bit of pushback, but not a lot.  

And, at the risk of stating the obvious that seems lost on some, this is a business transaction and business settings. One should behave with a level of professional courtesy regardless of how others behave. Doesn't really matter which side of the transaction you're on.

"the front man is or can be on a power trip! After all they can either open the velvet rope or keep it closed on a whim! They demand their respect for the power they wield! "

Why is all this general discussion in the k-girl forum instead of GD or newbie forum? It has nothing specifically to do with k-girls.

I don't see that actual basis for your view that just because this is not a legal activity in the USA that the middle man has any more incentive to such behavior as exist in legal settings. To the extent they hold some level of monopoly power in terms of who uses them for booking that may hold. However, as has been said many times, there are plenty of fish in the sea so I suspect those who behave will generally be selected out of the market by its customers.

Well then, if booker treats customers like crap, then he/she wants to be treated like crap. Right?

I’m pretty sure we’ve been having this same discussion, with very few variations, for at least a year.  

Just wondering if I’m the only one who doesn’t think all this repetitive posting of information for newbies belongs here.

You're correct, Jensen. Treat others well and you're likely to receive the same in return. It's worked for me in all aspects of my life, including the hobby.

First, I find it weird you list "not using the booker" or "not going to a restaurant" as a right. That's always a thing for a customer, a priori, regardless of any actions.  

Repetitive posting is a pain! Whether it's good info or trolling!

For the Newbie forum.  

Reminds me of an old joke I heard as a kid. Young guy does something dumb, gets caught and goes to prison. In the dinning hall periodically someone will shout out a number and the room burst out in laughter. This goes on for a while and finally the young guy gives up trying to figure it out and ask one of the lifers.

I almost never as for a specific time but rather ask when the girl I want to see is available. Now, I've generally had a lot of control over my schedule and now, sans accidents or such, it's total control so that's an easy approach for me.

a lot of the discussion is really not about K-girls, or even Asian providers or their agencies/bookers per se.

This is the only forum on TER I know about (never been on the P&R forum, though) that is as tolerant as we are of those who go over and over the same info as if it is somehow new. People generally get told to do their homework before reposting the same material or asking the same basic questions.

How do you let them know?

That's fair, and btw you didn't have to call me socially inept.

Honestly, only a school yard bully equates being polite as representing fear or “kissing ass”.  

Absolutely! This is exactly what the little rocket felcher doesn’t understand, and it’s probably why he’s so worried about being blacklisted and/or put on a do not see list. It’s also why so many of the long time participants in this Board have issues with him. And it’s probably why he hasn’t been able to see an escort since March 2020.  

"I [sic] dont think its even close, until a single monger has the power to "cancel" a booker/girl the same way a booker/girl has the power to cancel a monger, the sides will never be equal. "

Um, what?

last week, whether I can just link posts I have put up in the past that answer the same questions that are coming up lately, but I didn't want to be accused of being disrespectful to the guys who were taking the time to write out their answers, whether they've said it before, or not.  If you link when given the opportunity, I will too.  Lol

Felcher boy, you are the most naive, closed-minded monger we have on TER. You have one droning narrative, and you repeat it over and over in thread after thread. It’s no wonder you’ve been banned, blacklisted, and put on Do Not See lists, and based on your actions on these Boards I’m 100% confident you deserved it every time. Maybe if you treated people nicely as Jensen and I suggested you could beg your way back into some booker’s good graces. I know you’re too hard headed to understand this, but maybe you could ask someone who cares about you to explain it to you. Or, you can keep jerking off in your parents’ basement. Your choice.

Instead of addressing my point, you choose to attack me, including saying things that aren't true (AFAIK I'm not on any dns list nor am I banned from any org; plus I'm fully anonymous so even if I was...)  
Do you just assume I argue this because I was banned? Lol.  

Links are the way to go.  Anything to shorten your posts would be great.  You are ALL YESTERDAY'S NEWS ANYWAY.

First, I didn't attack you, I DESCRIBED you. There's a big difference.

Lol, calling me a "felcher" is describing me? Look at you having the nerve to talk about integrity when you're lying to my face.

Yup.  

Bounced check example is so contrived. When you bounce a check, you are in the wrong.
Bounced check is equivalent videotaping the girls. Yes you should and will get blacklisted.

Useyrhead, you can explain it to the little felcher until you’re blue in the face. Your examples are perfect. Mine were pretty good too. Jensen and CDL have tried to help him as well. He’s so dense that no matter what we say, four very experienced guys, he sticks his head in the sand and argues with us and drones on with his victim narrative. I’m putting him back on ignore. I tried, but his responses confirm that he just wants to argue; he isn’t interested in learning. I now understand why he’s been banned from the Donkey (and probably a few other sites). If only TER would do the same. Thanks for trying.

I remember seeing a particularly hot and enthusiastic little kgirl a number of years back.

I was never banned on that site. You must be confusing me with twoon or maui or someone else who did get banned.  

I don’t really think he positions himself as a victim. But he does commonly position himself as the One True Pro-Monger. Others are granted temporary True Pro-Monger status as they stroke his ego and agree with him. But he, judging by his countless posts on the subject, claims to be the final arbiter of True Pro-Monger status.  

I do not grant any statuses nor do I position myself as the only true monger or any other nonsense you attribute to me. I'm a simple man, in situations where you have a monger side and provider side, and you're forced to pick a side, I see a side you pick and call it as I see it.  

Are we having fun yet?

of the which you are so fond of.   Its simplistic to say that if someone was unbiased he would be picking each "side" 50% of the time.  That presupposes that both sides are equally valid, which is seldom the case.  There is a reason why prosecutors win  criminal convictions much more then defense lawyers get acquittals.  Its because the prosecution must be sure that their argument is better than the defense argument to begin with, or they won't even charge the alleged crime.  Otherwise, 50% of defendants would be acquitted according to your logic, and in reality, its a fraction of that.  So its possible to chose one side 90% of the time and still be unbiased because the argument presented by that side is more convincing and supported by facts, not conjecture.

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I used to fill in for the web site admin of a popular monger board once upon a time. He had certain health issues that imposed a good bit of downtime.

The only false equivalency here is you equating a monger vs provider/org situation to a case where someone has been charged with a crime by the state.  

CDL, you raise an interesting analogy about the prosecutors, and useyrhead too talking about some of the folks on here being really bad guys and/or cops, and it got me wondering:

It is always best to be as informed as possible. And mitigate risk whenever and however you can.  

on "no true scotsman . . ." while eating lunch earlier and rocket's response to him came up when I returned to the forum index, and I realized I had not logged in because I could see what he started out with and decided to read it, which led to my post.  Its actually the first post of his I have read in several weeks.  I haven't read his response to me (I'm not even curious), because I blocked him again, too.    

Ironically he accuses me of my imagination running wild...