FYI
one of the Kgirl from west coast just messaged me & asked if I know ClubVIP got busted yesterday.
Anyone heard anything?
This is why I'm always leery of the smaller orgs. They are in a constant struggle between getting business and relaxing screening protocols in order to get new customers. It only takes one failure on the part of the booker to bring the house down. Tragic.
Seems like this happened because of neighbour complaints. I think it was more an issue of location rather than the behaviour of mongers, although that likely played a part.
Less inflationary pressure? Hahaha.
That the number one risk for getting busted is when a wife finds appointment info on her husbands cell phone. Fortunately, the wife will usually call the booker and make a threat, like . . . . "Don't take any more business from my husband or I will take these texts to the police." The booker really only has ONE option . . . . Move the incall to a new location in the dead of night.
The second biggest risk is what you are alluding to. There are women who don't work and are positioned to see the comings and goings of people in the complex. When they see a lot of MEN going to the same apartment, their first thought is NOT sex workers, it drug dealers. This gets a much quicker response if they report it to LE. Women seldom appreciate the convenience of having a Kgirl incall in their apartment complex like men do. Lol
Its pretty easy to see that both of these major risks can be exacerbated by careless mongers. If you're married, or live with someone, you should delete all reference to an appointment and location when the session is over. Better yet, get a hobby phone and leave it in your car. A married friend of mine keeps his hobby phone under the spare tire in the trunk of his car, just in case his wife ever borrows his car. Most women think tires are dirtier than they really are, and would never touch one, much less lift it up to see if there is anything underneath.
As far as safety around the incall, I posted a short list a few years ago. Here's the link . . . . .
The linked list and its accompanying thread is pretty dead on and useful/actionable. Kudos.
For those who forget the apartment number and/or door code, work on perfecting the “I’m checking my phone because it just vibrated” reach and quick glance before putting it right back in the pocket. We see that action every day and nobody thinks twice about it.
Yes CDL, drug dealers only accept people on the hour (and that person leaves after either half an hour or hour later), are all women and hide themselves behind the door.
The first thought of anyone who sees men coming and going on a clock-like schedule, and has half an ounce of brain on them, is "sex workers"
Drug dealers don't usually reside in gated condos. And the last thing drug dealers want you to know is where they live so people can rob their stash.
It's pretty obvious that you don't know a lot of drug dealers. lol
I was always fascinated by how easy it was to just trip over a drug dealer when I lived in SoCal.
I would be surprised if anyone who had lived there for any length of time hadn’t at least met a couple of drug dealers. In SoCal they’re more common than those old Amway dealers used to be. 
Plenty. None of them scheduled appointments on the hour. You grew up in Oaktown, right?
Yeah, every drug dealer in Oakland meets me at the top of the hour, gets me naked, showers with me, has fun with me in the bedroom, and then let’s me out exactly one hour later. What’s the problem here? LOL.
"Love is a drug and I need to score."
I can only imagine the scoffing at the idea of mongers having any responsibility from the pro monger troll.
For those who actually want to learn how lower risk for us all, I think it would be worthwhile to start another monger safety thread like the one you linked.
by mongers is that the ones that cause the security problems are not likely to be there when the police show up. Instead, it will be some poor guy that did everything right and just happened to be there at the wrong time. That's why its incumbent for EVERYONE to have a high level of situational awareness when they are in an apartment complex.
The worst offenders are the guys who take flowers to an incall. These guys should be shot. How many DIFFERENT guys entering the SAME apartment does it take before that nosy neighbor figures out she's a sex worker. Mongers tend to think that because they are only one in the hallway with flowers at that particular time, no one will suspect what is going on. The problem with thinking in a vacuum like that is that the nosy neighbor is still there AFTER they leave and still there when the NEXT guy with flowers shows up. She may have thought the first one was just a boyfriend, but she will disabuse herself of that notion after ten more show up with flowers, even if its spread over a week.
Or those guys who make appointments for late in the evening and don’t think to tone down their energy level to one that is appropriate for the location and time of night. So they end up sticking out as obvious late night visitors rather than the usual tired dude coming home late from work.
If you're a late night visitor, you stick out no matter what because you are using guest gate access or callboxes. Tired dudes coming home don't go through guest gates or enter codes. They use their keys.
Source: me, being a late night visitor. But yes, not acting like a fool is good advice as well. Pretty good universal advice.
What does this actually mean in practical terms? Are late-night mongers running down the hall to their appointment? Are residents really paying attention to "the energy" of the person walking down the hallway? And this is if you even encounter someone else on the way to the apartment.
I see a reply of yours that speculates based on the same feedback you get if you ever have a conversation with a booker on this topic.
And in that reply you have the audacity to claim that there are things within the monge’s control that can influence risk.
Apparently that’s all it takes for our loyal trolls to start going off. I feel sorry for those guys who actually have to read what they say.
Many long years ago I found myself having to make my way through a riot torn city. Learning to match the rhythms and posture of the place I was passing through was a survival skill. At the time I never thought I’d need that skill again. Little did I know how useful it can be for a monger.
It behooves us all to learn how to be inconspicuous. It’s like learning how to read a room. It just takes practice.
THREE kgirl trolls on ignore.
I even carried a 25 pound bag of dog food up the elevator for an lady resident at one complex. She told me to stop by anytime. I wanted to say, "Only if I can't get the time I want with the Kgirl". But instead I just smiled back at her and went to my appointment. LOL
Exactly.
Being inconspicuous is not the same thing as being stealthy.
It’s like that line from My Cousin Vinny when the girl says “Yeah. You blend.” Some guys are just like Vinny. Their idea of fitting in stops at putting on a pair of cowboy boots or some other apparel that they somehow think makes them indistinguishable from everyone else.
As you describe above, being inconspicuous is more like a dance. You have to choose how to interact in neutral ways that do not call attention to the fact that you are there for anything other than reasons a nosy neighbor can understand and not find remarkable. Or at the very least not objectionable.
If she’s saying “what a nice guy”, she’s probably not thinking that you’re there for some nefarious reason. But you don’t want to overdo that either. Because you also want to be pretty vanilla and easily forgotten.
In my first reply I didn’t respond to your comment about putting trolls on Ignore.
Yes, it is quite freeing to put obnoxious trolls on Ignore.
It completely removes their ability to have any influence at all on your mood for the day. And reduces them to simple noise on the page. Which describes what I think of their content quite well even when I didn’t have them on Ignore. Though I know there are a few (very few) others who disagree with this.
But, even more importantly , in my opinion, is that putting them on Ignore means you’re (and this includes me) not even tempted to do anything to further their influence on the overall tone of the board as experienced by others.
So, it’s a total win/win. You win. Everybody else wins, too.
Thanks for taking the initiative to put them on Ignore. I’m sure I’m not the only one who appreciates it.
You are as supercilious as Nail Polish Leona.
Ignore!
FYI
search the other site, ...sex guide... under Forum - Virginia - Northern Virginia - Escort Reports
there are a few additional info
From reading over the forum posts, looks like there was a bust. You have to wonder how long the K-Agency was being monitored for if LE was able to get in disguised. A scared John probably confessed and disclosed information after getting stopped/questioned by LE.
If the K-Agency was really busted, I can image Local/State/Federal agencies working together to piece together the operation and charge more involved. Charging providers is nothing. Prosecutors want the Big Fish.
get cleared by DiscreetStory; but also be aware you will have to endure on-going Security protocols with every appointment. None-the-less, year in & year out, worth it ...
I wonder if some locations just have limited lifespans, meaning, that no matter the precautions mongers take, that location will eventually be compromised. You can be as inconspicuous as you want, but if a neighbor begins surveilling the location and can convince the police to intervene, then it's over. That's why I particularly dislike "interior" locations.
There's nothing worse for incalls than nosy or very perceptible neighbors who have a lot of idle time on their hands and who stay at home a lot. It's actually interesting for me to think how much this changed after covid.
I'm surprised when a location is kept for more than a year by the agencies -- some locations are good in the sense of very low visibility by neighbors and alternative access routes that don't require a lot of same floor hall walks but those are rare.
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Except the other longest standing place here has moved less than once every three years over more than the past decade...And one of their moves was when a PV place close by had heat.
So some other factor is important.
doesn't matter if they change locations all the time.
One bad client (le) who snuck through can ruin it!
Or, the noisey neighbors!
within the complex has more to do with safety than anything else. Smart orgs choose apartments where the front door is not visible from windows of other apartments, only from within the same hallway where the incall entry door is located. That's why one of the important tips I always give new mongers is if there is someone else in the hallway near the door of the incall you are heading to, walk past it and around a corner until they are gone.
As you say, changing the incall locations often has nothing to do with it unless the org themselves doesn't believe they are doing proper screening. To me, changing them randomly like that would be a red flag that the org thinks they have some sketchy customers. ANY location can still be compromised the day after it opens for a number off reasons. Anyone that has been in the Kgirl scene for more than a few months should know this.