K-girls
Really?
Instead of paying, the monger should've just fluffed some money under the girls nose and put it back in his pocket 
With that said, it probably wouldn't end well for the monger lol.
Given we're on the K-Girl board, I've almost always gotten some P2P in a session but not offered BBFS. In fact the only time any concerns about P2P was raised by the lady related to having the head too close to then entry. The shaft was fine. And I get the connect she was expressing -- I suspect some guy will test that and then go for BBFS even when the woman as never offered.
But maybe that's a local situation rather than general.Just heard that in a session the Kgirl asked if the client wanted BBFS, he said no covered.
During the session after some standard activity, DFK, DATY, etc, he started P2P.
The girl told him P2P is considered bare regardless of in or out and had him pay the upcharge.
Hope this doesn't catch on too soon, because it just might down the road!
Anyone else hear of this with other Kgirls?
I've been with girls adamant about being GFE only due to them not being on BC allow P2P, so the situation you mention sounds unusual.
Let the woman dictate the session and rules of engagement as she please, without the asinine questioning.
p2p is not a standard part of GFE.
Given we're on the K-Girl board, I've almost always gotten some P2P in a session but not offered BBFS. In fact the only time any concerns about P2P was raised by the lady related to having the head too close to then entry. The shaft was fine. And I get the connect she was expressing -- I suspect some guy will test that and then go for BBFS even when the woman as never offered.
But maybe that's a local situation rather than general.
which doesn't make a lot of sense from the woman's viewpoint, unless, as another poster mentioned, she is not on BC. Many of the same risks that go with BBFS also go with P2P. So from an STD standpoint, the risk in doing P2P is higher for the man than it is for the woman. When the girl goes down for the "preview BJ" in the shower, it's where she makes a visual inspection of your man-parts. Nearly all (HIV being the notable exception) STD's a man can get are usually visible with a close-up look. STD's in a woman can be visible if they are outside, but not if they are inside the pussy (unless she lets you insert your pussy-cam first - lol). Accordingly, when I go down on a girl, I do my own visual inspection of the parts I can see, often as soon as we strip our clothes off, and if I don't see any evidence that she might be infected with something, then P2P for me is okay, but I still won't go inside where the situation is "unknown."
I'm usually the one that suggests P2P, but if she doesn't take the lead after I suggest, then I won't do it. I have never had a provider try to upsell me after the fact on anything. To me, that's dishonest. If I ask, and she wants an upcharge for P2P, I feel she has an obligation to tell me then, not later.
Happy Thanksgiving Badgerbro and my fellow monger brothers!
I generally session with PSE Kgirls but from time to time I hear of a legend either visiting or returning for a tour of the Bay Area. For example, HaRa; she is without dispute the prettiest natural kgirl I've had the pleasure of spending an hour appointment with.
She advertises GFE and pretty much let me do whatever I wanted with her except bbfs. Yes, she served me up a generous helping of P2P that was dreamy dreamy dreamy.
So, I'd say that if your kgirl advertises GFE that you should expect DFK, 69 and bbbjtcim with spit. No more, no less. Now there's an upcharge for MSOG with some orgs.
YEMV
I've never been a fan of the extra charge for MSOG. It's seems to be catching on. Most of the time the charge isn't usually for MSOG, it's only for a second pop. I'd be okay with the extra charge for MSOG, but not just one more pop.
To me, I've had dozens upon dozens of p2p sessions where a girl didn't offer bbfs and in fact was assertive about it (ie no question about condom, but rather just pull the rubber out and apply). So in that sense I'd say most don't consider it bbfs
However, the key here might be the monger initiating it. Let's put it this way. If she initiated it, I would just say it's a pure hustle. With him initiating, it's gray area and a judgment call. At that point, he probably should take bbfs if it's already paid for with p2p (unless he didn't want bbfs for safety concerns) and make note for the future to ask the girl before to clarify.
The whole upcharge stuff pisses me off because now we have to bring more than exact change, like it's a corg or something. I don't bring my wallet and usually bring exact sum of money so that's annoying
LOL. It surely sucks if you are in that situation AND don't have the money to pay extra because you assumed no upcharge.
I was asking if a P2P slide, a standard activity in a Kgirl session, was moving toward being an upcharge and considered BBFS by this one Kgirl, and maybe catch on with others.
GFE, PSE was not included because it wasn't mentioned what she was advertising. She does offer BBFS with an upcharge, but doesn't say GFE or PSE.
Good catch Rocket, on the fact that he initiated the P2P! He did pay and then went BBFS!
The hustle call might be what happened, she was just testing the waters! It would be interesting to hear if she says that to all clients asking for P2P.
Thank you Twoon, I hope your Thanksgiving was good too!
It's the same with me, all the GFE sessions always have P2P as part of the activities!
I dont think I've ever asked for p2p myself. Especially with cfs girls, precisely because p2p could entail some slipping, either accidental or not. A great p2p is amazing, but I'd rather let girls drive it as part of their script and discretion. I've had girls get caught up and yell oh after they let things touch big time....after they themselves initiated p2p and I did no moves.
So this way they can never blame you for any accidental contact.
Also... If they don't speak English I'd imagine it's fairly hard to explain what p2p is if they are not getting the sign language.
I can see how some would think that P2P is BB. Perhaps things are different now or transitioning? With all the Kgirl sessions I've had, BBFS has never been offered. Though now I see it's become quite common in ads especially with all the newer agencies that have popped up.
I've had the pleasure of P2P with a few K providers and it was always them that initiated and the condom always goes on for the main event. I've never thought to ask for P2P.
If P2P is going to be extra an charge, I can live without it.
Is smelling food the same as eating it?
If we are to go by multiple cultures that have a story about someone asking to pay for the smell of food, and a judge ordering the plaintiff to be paid with sound of money (Stolen smell, Nasreddin Hoja etc)...
Instead of paying, the monger should've just fluffed some money under the girls nose and put it back in his pocket With that said, it probably wouldn't end well for the monger lol.
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