I think it's a bit pedantic to consider only unaltered pics as real when many of us, in practice, consider even photoshopped pics with high levels of accuracy to be real. If the body and face of the provider are 90+% accurate, I think most of us wouldn't consider them to be fake. I will concede, however, from the profiles I've browsed, that the issue of fake pics seems to be much more prevalent on the WC, likely due to the sheer number of providers you have compared to the EC.
It's a good question and I really don't have a good idea on why it's not better here.
I'd guess at two things. 1) K-girls generally like the big city environment and that is NOT Northern VA (or even the DC area) and 2) even though we might be the 3rd largest K-town setting in the USA (and perhaps NA) proximity to DC probably means it is a much more conservative environment than LA or NY.
Why not better now if NY was vacated? Not sure but I'm not sure the relatively high disposable incomes here are the who story on demand and clearly there is a supply problem -- we just don't see the same quantity and quality of touring K-girls coming to town. Is it that they don't come because they are just not traveling? That there isn't much demand? Not sure.
I also think that for the girls, it’s actually quite a good place to work and make a lot of money-less competition and high incomes. But your point stands that Kgirls will generally prefer the big city life.
And your point also stands that it’s not always the best scene for us guys....although having just started in the kgirl scene last year, I do count myself blessed to be in NOVA where we have 3-4 agencies to pick from!!
All we can do is hope for Covid to ease up and travel to fire up!!!
First stop: Seoul, baby!!
From what girls tell me, 1) Weather sucks here and 2) the convenience.
Quite a few kgirls will have apartments or share apartments with other kgirls in K-Town (LA), but not work there because the cut is lower than that of being on the East Coast. Also, too much competition. Sure, it's a pain in the ass to lug around all your luggage and everything, but for them it's better. There are a few kgirls that stay at my place in between traveling from NJ/Philly/NoVA and they'll all be dragging around giant suitcases. When they decide to go on break, they all scramble to LA because of the nicer weather and being in "Korea" that is compressed into like 3 square miles. Here? They need to get an Uber to go from one place to another or they need to call the agency driver.
yeah. makes perfect sense. the weather does suck, lol.
And Annandale is no LA Ktown. 
How much room does a dozen G-strings and bras take? Lol
Just fucking with you. I took an ex-girlfriend to the airport once for a flight to Philly where she was going to work for a month, and she had four medium sized bags to check and a carry-on and purse. I didn't watch her pack, but I'm pretty sure one bag was entirely makeup and hair grooming stuff.
The Korean taxi's make getting around LA a snap for Koreans. I think they are so well established that Ktown is a wasteland for Uber and Lyft.
Ktaxi? Would that be a Hyundai or a Kia with a medallion?
How much room does a dozen G-strings and bras take? Lol
Just fucking with you. I took an ex-girlfriend to the airport once for a flight to Philly where she was going to work for a month, and she had four medium sized bags to check and a carry-on and purse. I didn't watch her pack, but I'm pretty sure one bag was entirely makeup and hair grooming stuff.
The Korean taxi's make getting around LA a snap for Koreans. I think they are so well established that Ktown is a wasteland for Uber and Lyft.
Yup, they have like 1 or 2 suitcases that's ONLY for makeup and hair. I once joked with a girl about throwing away the products that are almost out, but like all Asians, she uses it until it's completely gone. And even then, she already has 2 extra of the same product already... so Asian lol.
Yeah, I've heard about the KTaxis, but I never used them since I always use Turo whenever I travel. I heard that in Chicago or Flushing (maybe both) that the owners of the KTaxi companies make a killing just catering to Koreans alone.
not too long ago, was staying w/ a girl at her newly/super expensive one-bed on Wilsire in LA Ktown then learned how convenient and handy these Ktaxi are, besides go around everywhere in Ktown/LA, they'd even pickup grocery/drinks/cig for you too, of course at a price. Amazing services!
I mean they have Korean taxis on east coast don't they? I mean I'm sure it costs way more to ferry them between cities but girls have told me they take Korean taxi between NOVA/Philly/NYC. Still not nearly as convenient as LA though. Ktown in LA must be heaven for guys like us.
superstar that used to take a Korean taxi from Ktown to Seattle, and then back when she was finished there. That was before the LOEG bust, but I think she still paid about $1800 each way, and I have known some BA girls that live in LA Ktown who take a Korean taxi when they go to the BA, about $800 each way the last I heard.
a few told me they rather traveling w/ Ktaxi in between NYC/DMV, instead of available flight/train/bus. Taxi costs around 500 each way, a bit more than other transportation but worth it. Since taxi provides door to door, once they are in the taxi they'd sleep the whole way back, instead of dealing w/ transportation between shop/airport + airport/home & security check, & in most occasion it even save time overall.
800 one way from LA to the Bay sounds really cheap for a taxi
as commercial vehicles, they are UTR with no markings, so the overhead is lower. Yes, they are cheap compared to regular taxis. I think they also arrange the trip to have a return fare to LA, i.e., some girl on her period or finishing her shift in the BA, so they are not dead-heading back. That's the great thing about the LA to BA run. There are lots of girls going both directions.
Obviously, but even then. 800 each way and if it's the same driver... it's pretty taxing it seems. Then you add gas, wear and tear on the car into the equation. It's still pretty cheap for what the kgirls make.
if you take out 200 for gas and minimal wear and tear (highway miles) thats still about $600 total.... about $100 an hour.
tax free. no overhead or company taking a cut.
Not bad.
I guess. Iirc cab drivers pay flat fee for car "lease" each day and don't pay company any cut. But maybe I'm wrong, it's been a while I talked to a dude who drove cabs. And his business was getting crushed by rideshares
A ride from sfo to SJ is ~45 mins without traffic and will cost you 150+tip via a cab
Uber will be cheaper ofc
Now if these Korean cabs get two women in the carnfor twice the money... but then you have to factor in having two women in the same car for six hours 
drivers are also women, but working girls going to the BA prefer men drivers so when they get there, they will carry the four or five suitcases up the stairs to the incall. For local service around Ktown, they will choose women drivers. I haven't figured out why, but its my own observation after spending a lot of time in Ktown with Kgirls OTC.
Of course, better than a Korean taxi for a Kgirl is a young love-struck puppy that will drive them around Ktown for free, but that's another thread for another day. Lol
Sunny should be careful then, don't want him to drive his CF around town for free.
Lol j/k sunny.
LOLLLLL
I wouldn’t mind doing it once just for the story.
One of the most often stated reasons I’ve heard for use of Korean taxis by kgirls has been around the subject of security. Girls who are worried about immigration checks simply have much less to worry about if they take a Korean taxi. No airport, bus or train station check in.
But maybe someone has already mentioned this and I’ve just missed it.
years ago when still was better time w/ CityVibe/MyRedBook/LAK/TheLeague/KGirlUSA..., i remember one of the post mentioned at any time LA for example had average at least 120 to 150 Kgirls at GFE shops, not including spas. Even at that same time, DMV only had about 6 shops plus indy, so the market differences are 150 vs 15. Of course, at bigger city competition is tougher, but also a lot busier!
what do you think the ratio of LA to DC agencies is now? I believe we have 4 active ones in NOVA right now.
Lol jeez .. . so there's 30 - 50 Korean AGENCIES?
BRB, moving to LA...
The LA scene is funny right now with dozens of bookers springing up overnight, there might be something like 2-5 bookers booking the same girl on different sites, with possibly different rates, which is messy af from my point of view.
Factor in the few busts that happened relatively recently and it's a giant messy net. There are a lot of girls in LA but the ratio of booker to agency kgirl is probably the highest it's been there, at least from my humble perspective.
oooof, that's not funny, that is MESSY, like you said. and risky. I don't know if I feel comfortable with that TBH. combined with the rampant bbfs going on out there, maybe DMV ain't so bad after all? lol
About bbfs...many of your girls in DMV are touring and chances are many of them did it. With prep, girls want to get more money and generally are more and more accepting of the practice. And there's a ton of demand for it. Many dudes only go for uncovered FS nowadays.
Honestly as you long as you wear a rubber and minimize your daty with pse girls, you should minimize the risk.
jesus christ. it blows my mind.
and here I am scared to even suggest BBFS with my regular girls, for fear of getting blacklisted. there must be an art and a science to it and I am just totally in the dark here.
good advice though. thanks
DMV used to be one of the essential stops in girls tour journey, I won't say it's better market, comparing to bigger cities.
was told by a few and someone closed to bigger org (not local) why DMV used to be better place
1. daily ICN/IAD and easier custom, made DMV and Sin City 2 popular first stops.
2. brand new w/o experience were sent here to start along with job training before warmup and ready to tour bigger cities. one of the org master actually would fly in to instruct the newbies sometimes.
3. potential popular ones would accumulate good/better/great reviews to build up reputation. Since in the old time, DMV klients were more willing to write to help with good reviews and saved the bad ones for POs.
so, everybody was happy, DMV was constantly getting fresh newbies, west/east bigger cities were having trained/experienced popular ones later.
Just some old memory and my 2cents.
KD,
Is it NOT an essential tour stop anymore? If not, are the essential tour stops basically LA and NY now?
And also, is it NOT a place for newbies to learn the ropes?
If not, where is the newbie training ground now? Vegas? Philly? Elsewhere?
As always, thanks for sating my boundless Kgirl-scene curiosity.
S
"Since in the old time, DMV klients were more willing to write to help with good reviews and saved the bad ones for POs."
How was that a good thing ?
I don't think he was weighing in on the practice as much as he was stating it matter-of-factly. Although I am against that practice, I would relent if it would ameliorate the lack of options we have relative to the West Coast.
You seem to be thinking the statement meant writing undeserving reviews. I don't see where you can take that from his post.
I thought that statement meant not being "full disclosure" to other mongers. Only showing positive reviews doesn't invalidate those experiences. You are right that it would be difficult to interpret that statement as meaning those reviews were undeserving so I don't know why you thought I'd think that. Lol
Fair enough.
Too often it seems to me that take has been that any who choose to write only about good and not marginal/below average experiences are taken to task as misleading others and only pushing the interests of the "orgs". I think that is a false narrative. Sorry for thinking you were perhaps in that mind set.
I don't really see the whole "full disclosure" matters at an individual level -- but that comes from not really seeing than any one review maters at all in my decision-process. I think that also misses one of the points K made about the overall picture. I think the non-public feedback to the agency probably helped support the "farm league" situation K described which I think did help produce a rather high average quality here back in the good old times. That was a positive for anyone seeing the K-girls at the agencies.
I would venture to suggest that the non-public feedback, ie sweeping things under the rug so that the general public could not see it, helped to cultivate the "private club" feel, as well as freed orgs from much obligation to the general public and not the high-volume mongers.
No matter what product they'd put, they knew that the private club members would protect and polish
their image in the eyes of the public, just by keeping mouths shut when bad experiences happened but opening mouths wide when good experiences happened, an inherently assymetrical and biased approach
So yes, everybody was likely happy, except for people who weren't part of back channeland based their decisions only off [mostly fake] pics and reviews.
But hey, in the long run people reap what they sow. So, when quality went down drastically, these orgs now are sending scolding texts when mediocre reviews are finally being made and blacklist people. Because they were enabled and encouraged by people who made these orgs appear perfect and further cultivate the image of secret club with humongous benefits.
Maybe if they were shown their place back when "everyone was happy", this wouldn't happen. Maybe if they knew if there was a tangible risk to their image in putting up a bad, unpolished product on the shelf, even if it was an exception, they'd behave differently.
Just my guess, though.
So yes, everybody was likely happy, except for people who weren't part of back channeland based their decisions only off [mostly fake] pics and reviews.
Also rare: anything that warranted a negative review!
Strange, I was under the impression that Korean girls are under their visas and can't use their real pics.
But I'm glad things were different back then and there were rarely fake pics or experiences that warranted negative reviews.
Not so glad that as rare as they were, they were allowed and were even encouraged to be swept under the rag.
Strange, I was under the impression that Korean girls are under their visas and can't use their real pics.
Crazy, I know.
The best that will happen is something you say will be misinterpreted and then used against you you later -- like his misuse of GaG's claim that one legitimate use of fake pictures by touring girls was to avoid image ID when traveling. Or his claim that everything must have been swept under the rug here when alternative pics might be used.
You seem to have been around this area long enough to remember how it was and "swept under the rug" is hardly descriptive of how things were here.
My claims of things swept under the rug was a direct reference to the fact stated by KlientDMV that bad reviews were "saved for pos" and not exposed to the wider audience, such as TER reviews or any other outlet available for general public. And I'm a big fan of posting a review on yelp instead of "going to the supervisor". Not only it lets and helps ALL regular Joes - and not just some high volume clients-know of bad sessions, it impacts the image of an org and motivates them to do better next time a lot more. Instead of being complacent and thinking even if there's a bad session a high volume monger would catch it and bring it to me instead of the world. The lack of fear for image is not a good thing imo.
And my argument was simply if the orgs in your area were conditioned that bad quality would bring a ton of warranted criticism and public, not private, pushback, maybe they'd have better handling of today's situation and it would be a better time for clients now.
Al's, you are now somehow linking bad reviews swept under the rug and fake pics,which I never did in this thread . And you're the one who talks about misinterpreting things.
And yes, things you say can be used against you. I don't like hypocrites or liars.
That's YOUR interpretation based on zero experience with this market.
Nothing was being swept under the rug nor was that implied by K's comment.
Given that it seems your approach is exactly how the BA has been responding even before the challenges due to travel restrictions and has NOT produces the results you claim would have been produced here, assume your conclusion often?
What actually happened here was when a new provider was listed pretty much all the active TER guys lined up fighting to get the first appointments, at least the first day, and rushed out the feedback. The good providers would see lots of positive reviews the next day. The mediocre one maybe one or to -- the rest of the feedback going directly to the agency. Pretty much everyone got that the one or couple of not good reviews was all that was needed but did not then create an irreversible situations.
The girls not up to standards here, and brought to the attention of the agencies, generally resulted in one of two outcomes: they improved (and that was then reflected in future reviews) or then they went home (some just really could not do this work). What didn't happen was a bunch of rebranding or fake pics or any of the crap you insist is the norm and big problem to solve.
Based on the way of interacting here seem to have been part of why things were as K described and, seems clear, directly responsible for the high average standard of both looks and performance we have in the "good old days". My predictions is that once the world does return to a more normal place and travel again is very easy we will see the good agencies here return to what they were doing before. There might be some things that could result in that not occurring and one of those would be to take your advice on how to do things here.
Now I will try to go back to ignoring the skipping record which are your posts.
I can’t read his advice. But we’ve all seen it so often I’m sure it’s not necessary.
The net is, the more people we can get to do as you are describing the better it will be for everyone everywhere. It is basically how it was done back when things were going pretty well here in the Bay Area.
Or we can follow the recommendations that helped contribute to the depraved primate environment and the current situation here in the city by the bay and the area around it we all know and love. Yeah. That’s probably a great idea.
Of course that's my interpretation. I never claimed otherwise. Never claimed it's the ultimate truth or anything. That's why my post had plenty of "maybe"s and" guess"es
Now, you saying nothing was swept under the rug, after yourself saying that the number of mediocre or worse reviews, was "held" and instead sent as feedback to orgs/bookers, is pretty dishonest.
We just discussed about ratio of reviews and how some mongers might not even read negative reviews once ratio of positive to negative grows large.
If the negative feedback was held and instead of five mediocre reviews there's only one, it does not give the correct picture. So yes, things get swept under the rug. If there's one negative review, people who like to minimize the impact will claim outlier, but where there are five saying the same thing it's tough to do so.
Even you saying "irreversible situation" implies sweeping things under the rug. As long as the truth is said, there is no irreversible situation. Girls feelings get hurt? Boo fucking hoo. If no one goes to se her again, that's a good thing to me considering many mediocre reviews. Don't get mad about irreversible situation if truthful reviews caused it. Be mad that someone served a subpar product.
No, before covid the reviews in the Bay Area have been on the donkey (and before that on aamp_maps) , with hundreds and even thousands of fake reviews created by orgs. It was very difficult to sift through them. I'm glad to say the grades/reviews on TER now are much, much closer to the of real situation. And something to say - to me, a truthful representation that caters to least common denominator, is a lot more important in the long run than the ability of org to pump out two extra girls because people have kept their mouths shut. Truth > withholding of truth.
Again, yes, that is just my interpretation and I'm not claiming it's the only way or some mantra everyone has to follow or agree on. It's just a healthy discussion.
As far as ignoring my posts, I don't know why you feel the need to announce this,but sure. You simply don't like what I have to say. That's fine. You don't have to agree. I consider orgs to be entities who will stoop to lying and bullying to make money. I think they need to be held in check, and be shown their place in the food chain. And customers can control them via two things - their money and reviews. As long as reviews are truthful, of course.
Making the bad feedback only available to pos, you misrepresent the total picture to others, and give orgs time to rectify the issue, a time during which many more can step on the same proverbial rake.
But, again, only one man's opinion. You are welcome to disagree, which you obviously do. And I know you disagree. I was more interested in KlientDMVs answer of why saving bad reviews for PO was a good thing. I already knew your answer.
I first saw Korean working girls more than a decade ago now. Time flies.
There were some outlets that had pretty representative pics, especially In NYC.
On the west coast, it ranged from very heavy ps to fake pics. Pretty much all the time as far as I can remember.
One great thing about back then in the bay area was that many nonaamp Korean places had actual lineups. You'd walk in and choose who you'd want.
King’s, Rainbow, Golden Flower, Double Dragon, Empire, CEO, and on and on.
Halcyon days!
sag
I think it's a bit pedantic to consider only unaltered pics as real when many of us, in practice, consider even photoshopped pics with high levels of accuracy to be real. If the body and face of the provider are 90+% accurate, I think most of us wouldn't consider them to be fake. I will concede, however, from the profiles I've browsed, that the issue of fake pics seems to be much more prevalent on the WC, likely due to the sheer number of providers you have compared to the EC.
I was mostly referring to the "saved the bad ones for POs"
Yeah I'm sure everyone was happy, well except for mongers who could've used those bad ones published publicly, to know what to avoid.
Girls who had bad session reviews "saved for POs" no doubt were extremely happy about that though.
LOL -- I'm not sure how to follow your advice.
isn't anyone else thoroughly annoyed by the never ending stream of drivel posted by team_rocket, twoon, sunny, et al??? I used to find it laughable how so many do not know how much they do not know, & take so much time to make that clear to everyone else ... But, I've stopped laughing, find it annoying, & wish they would just go back to the rock they crawled out from under ... but hey, maybe that's just me ...
Yeah
MAYBE IT IS JUST U!
Did you suck cock once in your life and I brought up your shame?! Hmm...
I get PM all the time from those who enjoy my Tales...perhaps you put me on ignore and end your misery of having to suffer me?! Eh?!
YMMV
Don't worry twoon. This guy talks about writing drivel, yet half his posts over last year are about another member,guarddog, and his alias.
The last post this guy made about actual kgirls, kgirls ads or anything kgirl related, longer than a sentence, was... 2017?
I think your tale of attempt at a tag team alone was easily more informative. As well as sunnys questions, which elicited informative responses. Really, neither sunny or you should take any offense here imo. Do what you do.
I don't put the three in the same bucket at all.
Hope you didn't take my comment as anything other than a joke about how you worded your comment.
No one mentioned that many established Kgirls have already overstayed and cannot get on a plane. With the LA area, a Kgirl can get her Korean driver to take her down to San Diego, Orange County and the Bay Area.