I've done two k-sessions now - both had the normal system of a nicer incall location.  

The first time was at night so I felt slightly more disguised sneaking in using a gate but the second was in the afternoon and my god, my phone was glitching and so my communication with the PO was laggy and there were clearly 3 of us lounging around that one gate, it was so fucking awkward. I walked by a dude with his dog standing outside 3 times as i was just staring at my phone waiting for instructions. People were also coming out from the building (clearly they lived there) and giving us weird looks.

So the neighbors obviously know right? Like they see dudes walk in and out of the same unit like clockwork on the dot every hour, repeat ad nauseam 7 days a week. Based on the types of people that live in these units I would expect them to be 1) annoyed and 2) maybe even report this issue to LE?

so will let the local guys offer more specific responses as they probably know where you're talking about.

 
You also don't mention anything about over all experience. Are these you only 2 sessions in a condo type setting or just this is that much different that the prior non K-girl experience?

 
Some generally points, in case you are just sort of new. First, when you think the situation is awkward you will both signal that in body language and interpret others though that nervous frame/lens. Most of the time people could care less about others and don't really pay attention unless something brings that person to their attention.  

 
Also, there will always be some coordination time and getting a feel for the location and area so you can appear like you belong there will help you. You can also figure out where the best waiting area is that will not be like a goldfish in a fish bowl for all to see. Last, on this bit,  so what if you miss out on 3 -5 minutes because you had to walk a bit to be discreet? Is that really going to ruin your session, day or budget?

NorCal but close enough. Yes, all my prior sessions were in hotels so condos definitely makes me more nervous, especially if it's one that isn't super straightforward/you have to wait around for instructions.

Im not worried about the time, Im worried that I am visiting a spot where the neighbours might get annoyed/nosy and report it to either management or LE, if that makes sense.

Not really worried about the time, more that I've read before where a neighbor became suspicious and reported them. Here is a quote from a google article I read in 2017:

`The tenant of an upscale apartment building grew suspicious when she noticed men of “all ages and body sizes” visiting a neighbor “at all hours of the day.” She contacted Bellevue police in April 2015, setting in motion an eight-month investigation.`

I'm sure some do and I guess as long as there isn't any problems or issues coming out of the apt, they don't care! Now, if there is a nosey neighbor, well, that can't be helped. They will stick their nose in and not mind their own business!

I guess I've been pretty lucky, there's almost always hardly anyone around! I also think I can blend in pretty well.

When I see anyone, tenants, Mongers & clients, at the front door I hang back till it's clear and then go to the call box!

I'm also in my car or taking a slow walk from around the block waiting for the "Ready" text!

The thing that gets me is the booker/org wants you to be discreet, but they will leave you out looking suspicious waiting on them!

That's why it's up to you to bob & weave or slip & slide! LOL!

Kgirl apartment incalls.  I have a routine I follow when hobbying that makes me feel safe and supplements my anonymity on the boards.  

 
First, blend in with the locals.  If its a mediocre building with not a lot of guys around wearing a suit, I don't wear a suit.  I always keep a change of clothes in my car.  Be aware of security cameras.  I rarely park in an apartment garage because they all have security cameras.  I always take a quick look in elevators to see if there is a camera.  If so, I keep my head down and turn my back to the camera.  Know your surroundings, and be aware of any lurking; guys standing around or in one place talking on cell phones. Military training helps with this awareness, so vets know what I'm talking about.  

 
Don't loiter around the keypad at the front of the building checking your phone and waiting for the go-ahead.  I prefer to stay in my car, parked discreetly at least a half a block down the street, until the booker tells me she's ready.  Then I can go directly from car to the keypad and get myself inside quickly without having to wait outside, where there is usually a camera pointed at the entrance.  I never allow my face to be fully photographed.  I always turn sideways to the cameras.  

 
In a complex with a few hundred apartments, there is bound to be people moving about, but its rare to see legit residents standing around. Keep moving.  If you are standing around, you look suspicious.   ALWAYS make eye contact and smile and say hello when you pass a resident in the hallway.  Looking away or averting your eyes makes you look suspicious, so you draw unnecessary attention to yourself.  If you look like you belong there in the building, you will not be memorable to anyone that notices you.  

 
Probably the MOST important tip is NEVER be observed entering an incall.  If there are other people about, I walk PAST the incall door and keep walking until the other people are out of site, and then I double back and go in.  Sometimes this safety move takes five or six minutes, which comes off of my time, which explains why its the most overlooked by most hobbyists who seemed obsessed with getting their full 60 minutes regardless of the risks that are present.   This is my standard safety protocol for every incall I go to, and so far, its served me well, and more importantly, given me complete peace of mind so I can enjoy myself without worrying who might have seen me go in or taken my photo.  

 
Bookers I know have told me in the past that nosey neighbors are the number TWO reason they will have to move an incall.   (Number one is an angry wife who gets ahold of her husband's hobby phone and sees the texts to the booker.)  While men may be delighted at having the convenience of a Kgirl incall in the building where they live, wives are less enthusiastic about it, but fortunately, most young married couples in apartments in this price range both work, so they are not home during normal business hours.  What raises the risk is doing something stupid to make yourself more noticeable.  The number one offense is bringing flowers to an incall.  People are more likely to remember you if you brought flowers to a particular apartment.  Then later that day, a DIFFERENT guy brings flowers, and by the end of the week a dozen guys have entered the apartment bringing flowers.  Residents are more likely to FOLLOW a guy bringing flowers to see WHICH apartment they are going to.  If you take ANYTHING to an incall, put it in a plastic grocery store shopping bag with the name of the store on it.  Then you just look like a friend bringing food.  

 
So to answer your question, NO, the residents don't usually know what's going on until careless hobbyists do something to draw attention to themselves.  In fact, you can actually use a prop to deter people from thinking anything suspicious.  I know one monger who takes an empty briefcase with him just to look like an insurance salesman, and another who wears jeans, a T-shirt, and a tool belt with a hammer hanging on one side so that he looks like he is a repairman.  Create an illusion that you are either a fellow resident or are supposed to be there for a legit reason, and you will help keep that location safe for yourself and others.

I would just add a few things.

I think checking for all exits in a place you've never been to before, is a good practice as long as it looks natural and you dont go out of your way to do so..

 
Speaking of going out of your way and trying to look natural. I think many people overestimate some of the ways people look suspicious; and knowing that the place hosts a brothel, they start interpreting anyone who looks like they might be going to an appt as a monger.  

Ie, people staring at phones. Everyone stares at phones nowadays. Hanging out near a guest gate doesn't put a target on your back if you look like you belong. I've heard many stories from fellow mongers about guys who they were sure were mongers, and yet they turned out to be

 
Waiting for food to be delivered
Waiting for a rideshare
Waiting for a friend to come down
Having a smoke/chilling outside and were residents who had actual keys
Etc

In busy complexes inhabited by mostly young professionals, people - like Jensen mentioned - don't really care about other people unless they stand out or look to exhibit some degree of danger. I'm usually a late night monger and I know what's it like to be the only guy in the hallways. But if you go during normal hours and behave like a resident or a guest, people won't pay attention to you UNLESS they already suspect something.

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I think what y'all said makes sense - one of the things that's been paining me is my phone sometimes has really bad reception and there are up to 1-2 mins of delays between sending and receiving texts, which is awful and adds to the stress.

Part of worry I have about the noisy neighbors is that they will report it and get LE involved, but honestly that sounds like it's outside of our control? Just curious if Incalls actually get moved around or if once I've been to a place, they will continue to host there (and thus I can memorize the routine).

Lastly do y'all prefer to have appointments at night then? It certainly feels easier to move around but I worry the providers are too tired after a long day LOL.

ya lmao today's booker had me take a photo of the front gate, Im like are you serious? that's sketchy as fuck! like is there really a benefit to texting me the unit/door code ahead of time? I feel like we can both operate much more smoothly (still have me text when I come up but otherwise I can still get in with no issues).

well that's the thing, it's ultimately not up to us mongers because the behavior a neighbor would be suspicious of is the revolving door of men of all ages coming and going at precise times. as soon as they catch on to the pattern and get suspicious, they can start looking out their door at precise intervals and it'll confirm their suspicion pretty easily?

"If its a mediocre building with not a lot of guys around wearing a suit, I don't wear a suit.  I always keep a change of clothes in my car."

 
Are you saying that if you show up to the location and it's a "mediocre building with not a lot of guys around wearing a suit" that you will change your clothes so you can blend in?  Exactly WHERE will you change your clothes - in a phone booth like Clark Kent?  There aren't very many phone booths around anymore.

 
You also say that if there is a camera in an elevator "I keep my head down and turn my back to the camera."  If there is a camera in an elevator, it would be in the FRONT of the elevator so that it could capture the faces of the people in the elevator.  If you turn your back to the camera, you'd be facing the BACK of the elevator.  Everyone else would be facing the front and you'd be the only one facing the back - that wouldn't look too suspicious, would it?  LOL!

Others have covered things well I think.

 
Yes there are concerns but I do think we all start out feeling like we're in a fish bowl and the neighbors are all watching us. In reality most neighbors don't pay any attention and it's what the guys are doing that starts attracting the attention. The general rule here (east coast) is
1) (as mentioned) Don't wait around the entry door.
2) Stay quiet in the building while arriving and departing
3) Don't knock.

 
For myself I always look for multiple paths between the entry and available exists -- almost always there will be more ways out than in. Leaving by a different path is smart.

 
I also just look at the choice of apartment/condo. Some are better situated relative to the neighbors than others. That will influence how often I might return (and how comfortable  I am doing so).

I most often wear a suit to work, but most of the incalls are not so upscale that the tenants all have white collar jobs, so when I BOOK THE DAY BEFORE (I'm well on record here that I rarely try to make a same-day appointment) I will bring an extra set of casual clothes and change at my office BEFORE I head to the incall.  Since I have been to ALL of the Kgirl incall locations in LA, OC, and SD, I already know the type of building I'm going to.  If it's on Wilshire in Ktown, I can leave my suit on, if it's West LA or MDR, I will change into something more casual.  If its a new place, which hasn't happened in awhile, and I'm overdressed, I will leave my jacket and tie in the car to dress down a little.  The point was to do what you have to do to blend in, and there are many ways to do that, but your obsession with a one-size-fits-all view of details is duly noted for the record.  Lol

 
In my experience, the cameras in residential elevators are most often in the ceiling in the left or right rear corners, not the front.  Your experience may be different at the places you go that do NOT have Kgirl incalls in them.  Its not 100% foolproof, but is something to be aware of.  You have to think on your feet sometimes given the specific situation, but you should always have situational awareness of your surroundings when going to an incall.   It adds to your own safety.

I rarely book a start time later than 5:00p.  If I'm repeating with a girl for two hours, I will often book 4:00 to 6:00.  That way, I'm there fucking while everyone else is driving in traffic.  It's a good way to spend rush hour.  Lol

Sure, and there's not much we can do about nosey neighbors. Nosey and smart neighbors will quickly discern patterns of multiple people coming on the top of the hour, every hour, no matter how mongers behave.  

 
You can have people believing you live there with a cute dog, and say hi to you every few days, and it won't matter lol.

I’m with you. I prefer KGirls for lunch 😎

These posts are giving you good info! You mention stress and being worried about other factors that can come up on the way in & out of the incall. Follow the advice given and you will most likely become comfortable going in and getting out of the buildings you'll be visiting!

One other thing you should be ready for, whether you are uncomfortable, nervous or under stress in the beginning of these adventures, you will run into people you might have to talk to. A neighbor asking how you're doing, a maintenance man or a front desk/door person for examples. They are there, so be ready cause you might have to ask or answer them, you never know till it happens! Just know it's possible and act like you belong.

I have mostly booked appointments during the evening because of my work.  I can't think of a session that I thought wasn't the best because the provider was tired.   Well, looking back, maybe just one.  I have had some great sessions at 7:30pm and later.  My all time favorite K-girl and maybe any provider session was a 2 hour appointment that was the last of the evening that started at 10pm, back when you could book sessions that late.   It was definitely 2 hours that has been etched into my memory.

Wait, you can't anymore in LA?

Not the last time I inquired with the booker I use.  I suppose I should have clarified that part.  When I last asked I was told no one is available past 9pm.  Maybe they book later appointments now?  

With all these other agencies that have sprung up in the last few years, I guess there are plenty of later night options.  But, don't consider other agencies, so they aren't on my mind.

While often they are tired, many of my most Outstanding sessions were by being the last appointment on a Saturday night!!!

Most of the girls I've seen are Troopers! I believe they have a quick recharge system and take pride in what they do! When they've seen you before and there's chemistry, walk through the door you get a great big smile and their eyes light up, they know how to make you feel good! Even if it's an act, they're very good actresses and that works too!  

I've always felt the last two hours of their day, with someone you've seen before, can be special too! You get into a kick back wind down mode, you're the last appointment, so nothing to hurry up or worry about! Can turn into something to remember!

But I really prefer a kgirl breakfast.

 
If you try to have an early appointment with a kgirl though, be prepared to answer the question: “why you like early?”

 
You can easily tell when they’re waiting for you to say you want to be first because you think they will be dirtier after. Be really careful not to say anything about wanting to be first. This will virtually guarantee a less than positive reaction from most kgirls. Koreans tend strongly to the Confucian side. Which means they view cleanliness as a sign of character. If you show any sign of doubting their cleanliness it is generally viewed as an insult to their character.

 
Of course, there are exceptions to this. Especially with North Korean girls. But it’s best to avoid the risk and be prepared to say something like “I love morning sex”. I’m one of those odd folk who genuinely loves morning sex. It’s such a wonderful way to start the day.  

 
To me, getting up at 4:30, working out and taking that great post workout shower. Getting some work done to set up the rest of the day and having a light breakfast. Then spending a couple of hours with one of your favorite kgirls. Well, that makes for almost a guarantee of a great day.  

 
Days when there isn’t time for even a full session, I highly recommend finding a girl who will take you in for a quick shove-you-up-against-the-wall (or bed) intense blowjob to start your day. The few girls with whom I had that arrangement are no longer around, sadly. I truly miss them.

 
If you are seeing a regular, and she isn’t one of those who has a hard time getting started in the morning, it is quite possible to make an appointment starting before normal working hours. If you’re like me and commonly book multi-hour appointments with girls you are repeating with, it’s very easy to get that early appointment. “Early”, of course varies depending on the preference and hours of the girl.

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because many of them want you to bring them dinner in exchange for them eating it with you, so its a way to get OTC time with a Kgirl, but its too late for me.    I'll leave that to the younger guys.  If I want OTC time, I'll just ask them to go out on their day off at a decent hour when NEITHER one of us will be tired.  Lol

I was told that management at a few of the houses are telling the girls and bookers that late night appointments aren’t allowed. I’m sure exceptions still occur. They always do.

Stay in your car until you get the go ahead with the apt number. Hanging around on the sidewalk is just silly.

The extra 2 minutes you take getting to the poon is well worth it

Phone in your pocket, walk in like you own the place, you won't have anyone asking stupid questions.

One of my favorite girls (this girl was seriously hot and had great skills) a few years back had a not so great booker.  

 
I was told to use a rather public facing gate. Got there and found out the code didn’t work. Trying to solve that problem without being too noticeable was quite a challenge.  

 
We worked it out. It took about 20 minutes. But they added that time - and then some - to my appointment. My 2 hour appointment turned into 3 hours. That was fun. And the booker made sure gates and codes all worked after that.

Totally agree about the last appointment of the day with someone you know.   The 2 hour session I posted about below was with a provider I had seen a bunch already.  She was my favorite at the time.

Oh you were talking about a specific ofg.

 
I've seen ads advertise last call at 11 or even as llate as 1am.

Its not really about the time for me lol, in this case I parked 2 blocks down, the PO wanted a photo of the front gate (not sure why) So I had to casually walk by the gate and snap a pic. Then I walked around the building while waiting for instructions and they came late, so just more walking. Yes my ideal scenario is I park super close, wait for gate code and gun it but it didn't happen this time.

So true! These bookers aren't perfect at times, but they can be demanding!  

If something can go wrong it just might!

Happened to me too, wrong code, box not working and a few other things that can pop up, did!

Just roll with the punches and act like you do when you're going to a legit friends to visit, 'cause IMO, you are!

Also, don't use costumes, delivery guy, worker/maintenance man. You just might run into the real building maintenance crew/supervisor, then what are you gonna do?

I know it might sound far fetched, but believe me it does happen!

know that there are three identical buildings next to each other.  As a noob, I didn't know that each one had Kgirl incalls inside.  So when I went there the first time, no problem, but I came back two days later and had the same problem with the code not working.  After about ten minutes of back and forth with the booker, I realized she had sent me to the building next door.  Naturally, when I got there, it did work.   A few weeks later, I saw a girl in the third building but I had already noted the street number was different, so no problem.  

 
The guy I mentioned above that wears the tool belt did get stopped by another maintenance guy one time.   A real maintenance guy asked if he was new, and he said, "I don't work here, some lady hired me to put together her IKEA furniture."  Ironically, he saw the same guy six months later, and the guy said, "You're back?"  He said, "Yeah, I have another "job" to do."  That was the truth.  Lol

I fully agree, Badger. Lying like you live there, are maintenance or delivery man is just bound to get you in trouble. Say the truth instead - you're there to see a friend. You are, definition of friend notwithstanding. If they ask for a name, either dodge the q or if it's security on your ass, make up a name. If they ask you for aparmetn number, well, it's a big decision but personally I'd say the real apartment number.  

 
Because if you say a different apartment, and they see you go inside another one, there will be a lot more questions. You're a guy visiting a friend who's expecting you. You communicate through texts. This is common as hell. This is enough of explanation that doesn't divulge privacy and keeps you from bogging down in ocean of lies.

Alpaca needs to stop this nonsense. This is really exclusive just to her org aka peach cafe.

 
She got paranoid because of some event I'm guessing,but it's a such overkill. Especially if it's late night, which she offers still.

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I'm not saying it can't work, I didn't think it was a good idea for a guy that's worried, nervous and it sounded like he's new to the game. Without balls & confidence or being able to think on your feet, it should not be attempted, imo. At least it can be a good story, if you end up in real trouble, to the other guys inside and keep them off your ass, literally^^ lol! Until bail is posted!

Ran into the same thing at WLA! First started going there and thought I had it down, well it was my fault I went to the wrong address! I was just looking at the building. That's when I found out about the other buildings looking the same!

Was there today and the box wasn't working, but luckily the one inside was in perfect shape, lol!

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Situational awareness is one thing, but the rest of what you said is going overboard. Acting like a covert arms dealer or burglar will only make you more obvious. A change of clothes in your car? Really? Nothing suspicious about some dude changing clothes out in the parking lot!  Do you rent a different car on the way to the AAMP while you're at it?  

Most people are clueless sheep, phone zombies- constantly staring at those damn things; completely unaware of their surroundings.  The other dudes who are trying desperately to not be seen while waiting for the aamp to give 'em the green light, staring at their phones, trying like hell to look busy. Idiots; They are so obvious.

I just walk in like I own the place. Call the PO and tell 'em I'm ready at the gate. If there's a bunch of people around, I'll find the person with a dog and stop and pet the dog, talk about my pup and wait for the call back. More than once I've gotten the call while scratching a random dog behind the ears.  

If I ever feel the need to tell a stranger what I'm doing there, "I'm waiting for my buddy to come down to show me his new place, then we're going to the gun range."  That will usually shut 'em up.

second post immediately above yours.  You wouldn't have made yourself look quite so stupid.  Did you really think I was suggesting that I change my clothes in the car AT the incall?   I change either at my office or in a phone booth.  

 
It sounds like you are validating what I said.   You already have a story about why you are there, and you're not afraid to engage the residents in conversation.  If you don't think being observed going into the incall should be avoided, then you are missing an opportunity to extend the useful time for that incall location before you and all of the others who don't mind be observed going into the same apartment one after another cause a light to go on for residents in the area.  People don't normally think of pussy being sold out of an apartment because of a steady stream of guys going in all day, every day, they think of drugs being sold, and THAT is a reason to call LE.  That's one thing that's unfair about this hobby, The guys who are careless  are seldom the ones that are there when the location gets busted.  A guy can do everything right, and still get busted because of the carelessness of others.  P.S. I like the gun range reference.  It makes you sound kinda butch.  

I never said anything about what I do once inside the gate.  I know to be cool and not let anyone see me going in.  But this whole Barney Fife secret agent bullshit (ducking out of elevators, diving over shrubs, etc) would make anyone look like a complete tool.

I think you are overreacting to all the well-trained sheep that are lost in their cell phones. I'm just telling them to grow a pair and go about their business.

In your case, enjoy the thought you put into replying to this; I won't read it or reply.   Your proven record of constant, tit for tat bickering does not interest me at all. CYA

bitch-slapped always say they are done with the conversation.  I take it you are a yute.   There was a booker in SoCal a few years ago that told you when you booked to face the doors of he elevator to avoid the camera.  Was he overreacting, too?   Or was he doing his job to protect his girls and his customers?  Diving in shrubs must be your idea.  Prone to a little exaggeration of what I said when you get slapped around?  Mine was wearing clothes to fit the  vibe of the building which I notice you completely surrendered on and did not mention again after you realized you embarrassed yourself.  Tell us again about your gun.  Which ranges do you go to?  

Lmao I love how obvious it was who it is 🤣😂

Your "advice" about elevators still doesn't make sense. Pop into the elevators to scan the corners, and you'll look suspicious. Avoiding the rear corners would mean entering the elevator with your back to them, which also looks suspicious - and unnatural.

do not always seem prudent to newbies who have not yet realized that what we are doing here is illegal.  The orgs and bookers are completely business-like and professional and it lulls many into a false  sense of security, like they are just gong to the store for a carton of milk.  They let their guard down, and the next thing they know, the incall is busted.  Unfortunately, the guy that caused it is not usually the guy who is there when it goes down.  With experience, and a few close calls, the false sense of security will pass.  Give it time.  

 
If you don't agree with my list, feel free to be as careless as you want when you go to pay for pussy in a public place like an apartment complex.  At least with a hotel, you don't have the same neighbors day after day, so I don't do all of the same things in those situations.

Just where and what are your vulnerabilities, you ask?

 
Here are a few things that I have personally run into.  

 
Angry wife taking pictures of men going into and coming out of the incall and posting them on social media.
Angry org manager having employees take the pictures so she can blackmail the clients.  
Pissed off monger who thinks he didn’t get the respect in the forums that he deserved taking pictures of mongers and their license plates and having some friend of his in law enforcement or the DMV (don’t know how he did it) and sending photos to the monger’s home.  

 
I was very lucky and dodged all of the above. Other mongers were not so lucky.  

 
The above are just the ones I’ve personally managed to miss. There are quite a few other ways a monger can be outed.

Would you mind naming the org and manager? I think this will help the mongers immensely. No matter if that org is gone, in my experience many former org heads are running new orgs.

...about cameras in elevators.  Your reply to his post had NOTHING in response to his post.  To me that means your non-reply means that Floorhump was totally right about cameras in elevators and the reactions of guys who attempt to avoid them.

have the names of girls who are permanently retired who weren't very good at the end of their careers.  Must be some kind of research project for school, since its all academic.   Lol

Is cdl talking about me?
Tsk tsk he must be reading my posts he claims to ignore, yet again.

 
The names are always important, cdl. If you are making a claim about a provider or org, you should name them. Talking about them and not providing a name is pretty cowardly. If you don't want to talk about them, don't talk about them at all. If you do wanna talk abou them, be brave and give a name. Stand behind your words.  

 
I was called out many times to provide specific examples,which I always did. Yet the simp crew who chooses to protect vaginas over mongers, cannot even do something so simple as to call out a piece of shit org manager who blackmails a client (in their own words) by name. The simp crew keeps mum on naming specific bookers who blacklist their clients if they write mediocre review of their goods (of course, the booker is their friend).

I mean, if you aren't gonna name someone who blackmail their fucking clients, how is anyone ever going to have any faith in saying anything less-than-stellar about orgs pos or girls? Lol

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doesn't know how to avoid a camera in an elevator without looking suspicious.  Fine.  That's on him.  It can be done with a little practice.   I can only warn noobs so much.  If they don't want to listen, that's okay.  Start with DARK sunglasses.  It screws up most facial recognition software.  Elevator cameras are usually set to an extremely slow recording speed, so the fidelity of the video is not good to begin with, even with digital. There's more, but I'm not going to waste my time with those that have already made up their minds that its impossible.

I mean yeah, only Alpaca does this. And it's a relatively new thing. She didn't do this stuff pre-covid.