I consider every review to have a degree of "fakeness" as they're all subjective. While I would consider both of your examples to be fake, the younger girl being misrepresented as being older is more egregious an offense to me because, at least for us in the NE, younger providers are a rarity, much less someone actually in her early 20s. I think most of us understand that these providers usually are in their late 30s-40s, so I've come to expect providers' ages to be misrepresented as younger. It doesn't make the practice right, but it's just the way things are, at least until we get more travel into the country.
Spinoff of the other thread.
If a review is off by a significant number of years, like 15-20 years dro the actual age, do you consider it enough grounds to CA it a fake review?
Let's say you know this girl is in her 40s,easily. But review says she's in her 20s. Do you consider it a fake? And vice versa, if review says she's a milf but you know she's in her 20s?
Or do you just flag these reviews but don't make a conclusion yet?
Me, I'll do the latter. I'll correct the age if it's a mini or girl discussion on the board. What about everyone else?
I consider every review to have a degree of "fakeness" as they're all subjective. While I would consider both of your examples to be fake, the younger girl being misrepresented as being older is more egregious an offense to me because, at least for us in the NE, younger providers are a rarity, much less someone actually in her early 20s. I think most of us understand that these providers usually are in their late 30s-40s, so I've come to expect providers' ages to be misrepresented as younger. It doesn't make the practice right, but it's just the way things are, at least until we get more travel into the country.
So you agree it's assymetrical criteria? I like that you have the balls to admit it. Thanks for the honest answer.
Yes, they are equally fake, but which one is really more misleading. Far from me wanting to defend FloorHumper, but he raises a good point. If you read a review where the provider is listed as 25 when she is really over 40 are you REALLY surprised, and did that review really influence your decision to see her in the hopes/expectations of seeing a provider who is actually 25? If so, you need adult supervision before being allowed in public.
Now lets say there is a provider who really is only 25, that's a fucking unicorn in the K-Girl world. How pissed would you be to find out that someone listed her as 40 and you believed him, making you miss out on said unicorn? For the record, I am using the generic form of "you" I know looks/age etc aren't really a big deal to you, but to many of us a K-Girl who really is under 30 is the holy grail we are constantly searching for.
Here is the thing, a guy, especially a clueless white guy is a LOT more likely to say a 40 year old K-Girl is actually 25 in his review without meaning to screw over the guys reading it than a guy is to "guess" a 25 year old Asian girl is really 40. It's all about intent, guessing low by 15-20 years happens all the time, "guessing" high by that large a margin simply NEVER happens. if a K-Girls age is overstated by 15-20 years someone is out to fuck her over.
I'm sorry, this is nonsense GaG, and yet again an example of double standards. I always err on the older side and there is never an intent from me to fuck her over.
Being conditioned to think that erring one way is normal and the other way someone must want to fuck her over is exactly the double standard I'm talking about.
It's OK to make the girl sound better than she is, but it's not OK the other way around. The definition of double standards and hypocrisy.
had to do with INTENT. There is a difference between a reviewer that is just clueless about estimating ages and one who is intentionally misleading others with a dishonest review. If a guy really thinks a hot young 25 year old is 40, AND HAS NO OTHER MOTIVATION, then I would submit that he is relatively inexperienced with Kgirls in general. I have never seen an instance where a reviewer has put a girls age 15 years older than she really is unless he has some kind of beef with her, so again, the operative word is INTENT. Are you really saying that after all of the Kgirls you have allegedly seen, you REALLY can't tell the difference between a 25 year old and a 40 year old Kgirl, and that you have met 25 year olds that looked and acted 40? In my experience, the immaturity of 20-something Kgirls can be assessed in a matter of seconds.
Intent cannot be easily inferred. I am pretty good at evaluating Asian girl age, but sometimes even I am stumped. I believe I wrote in a thread recently abooit a girl who could be anywhere from late 20s to mid 40s and then I found out she was 50. I erred on the older side and received shit from mongers who were telling me she's younger. She was older than any of my evaluations lol.
And the word milf, which many operate, has even more blurred lines. Most girls have a kid when in 20s or 30s. Milf means mom I like to fuck. Then people act all indignant when someone calls their precious atf a milf. Yeah she is, now what?
How come I never hear about the intent to make the girl seem better than she is though? This is what I'm talking about. The assymetrical world is disgusting.
There have been literally 1000s of posts and hundreds of threads on overly generous reviews, and whether they are just guys blinded by the the sex they got to have (perhaps because they don't get it otherwise or from women who are much less attractive) or shilling for their favorites.
There have even been some since you joined on.
I will speculate that one possible reason you have not seen them is that you always seem to cast all of those as intentionally fake/misleading and if anyone ever suggests that might not be the case you tend to see that a defending the "shill" or the claimed double standard.
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me the definition of a MILF is blurred, until now. I think most guys understand a MILF is a woman with children, not babies, who is turning the corner from hot to matronly, is between early thirties and mid-forties, who's body is not what it was in her 20's (maybe a little sag here and there, or a few extra pounds on her hips an thighs), but may still be a decent fuck.
I think you just made a dumb statement that you can't tell a 25 year old from a 40 year old (which I'm not buying, but its what fits your narrative), and now you want to redefine MILF to help support the dumb statement. You bury yourself like this all the time.
Milf had always been a blurred term imo.
Let's see what ud says
A MILF is any woman with children who has men that want to have sexual intercourse with her. The term is also sometimes used to describe women above a certain aged (30 or 40+) who are not mothers themselves, but are deemed to be sexually attractive, and also have men that would like to partake in sexual intercourse with them
So yeah, most kgirls are in their 30s,and most of them are milfs. The tw gals are gilfs. I really don't see the issue here.
This is yet another instance of trying to make girls look better than they really are.
I dated a few Kgirls on the outside that were legitimately in their 20's (back then I was only 50-ish and still competing as an amateur senior weight-lifter), and one thing I can assure you is that even the younger girls look better at the incall than they do on the outside. Trying to make themselves look better than they really are is not unique to the older Kgirls. Other than oversized tits for a Korean, a lot of the Kgirls of all ages would not get a second look from guys passing them on the street in the light of day.
Dude, I did not mean girls themselves (or guys for that matter) trying to make themselves look better than they are.
I meant some mongers trying to make girls look better than they are, both when
A) exaggerating their looks and performance in positive reviews
B) attempting to discredit negative reviews of girls
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This is at least the second time he’s gone round and round lamenting the fact that words are used so imprecisely. Yeah, I know. It’s been more than that. But who’s counting? This time alone it’s been going on for over 4 days.
The deception in this world is just horrible. Truly horrible. Why, the next thing we know there will be an entire large subgroup of people who go around paying for sex and never telling anyone! Gasp! There really are liars everywhere! Who knew? To say nothing about trafficking of children, the increase of child abuse throughout the world in these crazy times. Still, none of this can be due to men who are confused, deluded or just lazy. It must be a conspiracy.
So one would think with as many days as we’ve all been dragged through this knothole he would have figured out and recommended a possible solution, or even a definition of the terms that upset him so much, right? The fact that he hasn’t must indicate that solving the problem isn’t really his issue.
The only common thread across all of these seems to be that he wants us all to recognize how horrible this is for him. Seriously. Look through all of his threads and you’ll see that this is his most common refrain. I guess all we really can do is simply to tell him we understand his pain and that we sympathize with his dire plight.
This time of year can be tough on everyone. And we wouldn’t want him to do anything rash.
Another condescending post of your that attacks me instead of discussing the issue on hand.
Let me remind everyone, when several negative reviews appeared for new arrivals at LSC, what did you say? Oh right you said there's a conspiracy of orgs warring.
Funny how conspiracy is used by you to discredit me and my posts, but when it came down to less-than-stellar review, it was magically your crutch.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Positive reviews are never a conspiracy but negative reviews are, in your eyes. Double standards all around.
So far you have yet to prove a conspiracy of any sort.
Honestly, for a guy who claims to work so hard on whatever it is you claim to be working on, you have produced very little product.
Still, I respect how much pain you have to deal with. You are forced to face all of the lying orgs and hypocritical mongers all by yourself. It must be very hard.
You call me out for "conspiracy" yet you yourself cried conspiracy when negative reviews dropped for LSC, lol
You've called out three negative reviews, as soon as they dropped, dismissing them as untruthful, simply because they all atrived at the same time (and the org in question had new girls) :
I get it, when it's positive reviews coming in a bunch, it's normal. But when it' ls negative review it must be a conspiracy!
Just so you know, this is exactly what I'm talking about when discussing hypocrisy and double standards.
People saying positive reviews with inaccurate info are "honest mistakes" and same people condemning negative reviews as fake and furthermore, claiming that multiple bad reviews at the same time means
"the odds of those being 'representative and truthful' are surpassingly low." just because they're negative.
These people are willing to blame mongers or even rival orgs for writing these supposedly hit piece reviews. But never allowing for possibility that in fact the girl was of subpar quality.
Funny shit. As usual, trying to make the girl appear better than she really is.
This is EXACTLY what disgusts me. Double standards and hypocrisy.
So, what are you talking about and who are you talking to?
As I said before, I understand how hard this is for you. It’s a difficult season for many.
The link is to a thread.
If you can't find your post about reviews in that thread, not really my issue. Invest in ctrl+f skills.
But you still quoted sag and not me. Sounds like you need to work on reading. It seems to be a continuing problem for you. Prove that what I said in my part of the thread is wrong. Or just prove your conspiracy theory.
If you’re so upset that you can’t even read properly, I strongly suggest you reconsider your current stance of hiding behind an alias so no one can ignore you.
You really don’t need to be so afraid. I’m sure there will be plenty of people who still read your myopic rants on k-girl pictures and on reviews of girls you haven’t seen.
Look at it this way: in the time you spent researching your last reply to me and writing it you could have been half done with migrating everything to your username. The only thing stopping you is fear. You can do this.
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I literally quoted your post in the message you've replied to.
Here I'll quote you again
"But we’re talking about a storm of bad reviews. The odds of those being “representative and truthful” are surpassingly low."
This is a statement that was done by you. Fine, I'll link it since your ctrl f skills are abysmal:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/re-k-drama-21410?view=1
This was your post. You claimed that these bad reviews were unlikely to be representative and truthful, simply because they were done close to each other (all three of them lol)
This was a reply to my post saying how the most likely hypothesis was negative reciews are just what they are - truthful and representative negative reviews.
And in the post above you implied that the negative review could be eveything BUT a girl quality being subpar:
"Orgs snipe at each other. Girls get snippy about you seeing other girls. Well, the girls can get snippy about a lot of things. But that’s another thread.
And, sometimes there are guys who didn’t get treated the way they thought they deserved and write terrible reviews in revenge."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/k-drama-21404
So again, your posts are exactly what I'm talking about. Hypocrisy and double standards. Never ONCE have I seen you call out positive reviews as fake ones. But when the negative reviews appeared in small batch, guess who showed up to denounce and discredit them?
When have you *ever* seen me call out a review? Yes, I’ve commented on someone else calling out a review.
So, saying you haven’t seen me call out a positive review is meaningless.
Sorry, dude. You’re going to have to do a lot better than that.
Who was that someone else in that thread. Prior to your post, no one called out those reviews as fake.
Certainly sag did not call out those reviews as fake. If anything, sag laments the lack of quality in the bay. Twoom posted his post about orgs warding after you posted yours. Literally no one in that thread called out those reviews as fake before you did. You questioned credibility of those reviews.
Anyway, since you got the ability to read your own post after accusing me of not reading well
Good. As I was saying, it's a great example of hypocrisy and double standards. You would never react to multiple positive reviews the way you reacted there. QED
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A beautiful example of your creative reading.
It is amazing how far you will go to stay in the center of attention.
If it bothers you so much that I call you out on your blustering, you know what you can do. Grow a pair of balls and drop your alias so I can ignore you.
What are you so afraid of? Your actions speak louder than your denials. The flimsy excuse of all that work of doing a little cutting and pasting doesn’t hold up. Only fear could make you go through all the mental gymnastics you perform.
Don’t worry. I’m just going to keep calling you out for everyone to see. I’m not the only one who sees through all the logical fallacies and manipulation you use so much.
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As expected, you fail to address the actual topic of this little conversation and you switch to the dumb little copout topic you use about me using an alias. If ter allows me to, I'll gladly switch to nonalias account so you can't use your little copout anymore.
Now you've refreshed your memory, the fact that you called those bad reviews as not truthful and not representative, simply because they came in a batch, is exactly what I was talking about in this topic.
We all can see who is trying to discredit negative fake reviews barely off any evidence. But with positive fake reviews it's "honest mistake".
Double standards, ladies and gentlemen. The same way negative reviews supposedly don't work with kgirls. Same hilarious horseshit.
"If ter allows me to, I'll gladly switch to nonalias account...."
Are you saying you don't have the ability to click the little down arrow in the Name drop down box an select your TER account name rather than the alias you setup?
and if you really want to keep the Rocket name you can always ask them to change your handle to that name.
For someone who claims to be a smart guy, you sure make some dumb statements at times.
What I meant was switch my reviews and everything under the rocket name and make it non-alias.
I've asked them and I think it happened. Let's see.
Well, it happened halfway. You can ignore me now but it still does not show my reviews here for some reason...the alias system is kinda garbo. Not just for this reason.
And I never claimed to be smart, btw.
But anyway, useyrhead got his wish he bitched aboutf for so long about with all his dishonesty and cowardice. Let's get back on topic.
Like I was saying, he is a prime example of double standards and hypocrisy. He can't even bring himself to answer truthfully who benefits from.negative reviews being discredited.
Sorry, dude. None of us have to play your game. I know what I wrote. Anyone else can read it. And it doesn’t say what you want everyone to believe.
Notice just how few people ever agree with you about your interpretation of what I said. Yeah, it’s almost always zero.
Just man up and stop hiding behind your alias and I’ll stop calling you on your crap so often.
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Yes, when I wrote "And sometimes, a non-positive review is simply a representative and truthful review. Especially if trusted mongers who usually give high scores, give a low score. In fact, it's probably the most likely hypothesis"
You wrote back "But we’re talking about a storm of bad reviews. The odds of those being “representative and truthful” are surpassingly low."
You literally said because there are many negative reviews ( you called it a storm, I wonder if you even read those reviews - there were like three) they are unlikely to ve representative and truthful.
So again, you thought several negative reviews were unlikely to be truthful simply because they were negative. Obviously you would never say garbage like this about positive reviews. Guess what? There can be as many negative reviews coming and they all cna be truthful with equal likeliness.
There are subpar girls out there, no matter how much you and your pussy whipped coward buddies like maui like to deny this. And it's evident in everything you talk about. Shit on fellow monger bros but never shit on girls? Yet another hypocrisy and irony. Negative reviews being useless on a review site is still the funniest thing I've read all year.
So much irony calling mongers cowards for not walking when PO threatens BL, and calling me a coward posting behind an alias when it was purely circumstantial. Yet you can't ever bring yourself to even admit orgs/pos/girls benefit directly from negative reviews being discredited.
Finally, remember this, I never give any fucks who agrees with me. I won't ever appeal someone agreeing with me as some proof to me being right. I don't give a shit about any likes I receive or dislikes I receive. I cherish anyone who supports me but I won't ver use them as proof of me being right.
I call and will call ANYONE who calls out a fake negative review off different criteria than a fake positive review, a hypocrite and having double standards. If you are OK with someone making a working girl appear/sound better than she is,but not OK with someone making a working girl appear worse than she is, you are a hypocrite with double standards. It's very simple.
People can and should err on both sides equally.
Either you skipped all your English lit and other classes that are required for a degree in college, or you know as well as everyone else that what I said doesn’t mean what you so loudly proclaim.
Now man up and quit hiding behind your alias, son. You are severely damaging your own credibility with these misdirected rants. A simple change on your part and you won’t need to keep embarrassing yourself like this so often. Quit trying to convince yourself and others that you are something you are not.
Don’t be so afraid of being ignored. Even that is more in your control than you fear. You can do this.
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I've literally QUOTED what you said. You keep trying to dodge this is absolutely and utterly pathetic. But what can you expect from someone who cant bring himself to answer who benefits from negative reviews being discredited. Or someone who keeps saying that negative reviews are useless for kgirls. Lol. E-40 made a song about you 25 years ago that still holds true.
You're so caught up in your denial, that you even don't realize that I posted my last 6-7 messages or so without an alias,something I've mentioned on this thread.
You see how my name is not greyed out anymore? I don't have an alias anymore. I am posting under my only handle that isn't an alias.
But yes, keep saying how I can't read when it's you who can't read to save his life. All you can do is to have double standards and hypocrisy for fellow mongers VS girls, dodging tough questions that expose your bias or indicate that someone might be benefitting from review manipulations.
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If you haven’t stopped using it, you’re still hiding. You can do this. Conquer your fear.
I made a few bets that you couldn’t follow through. I was really hoping to lose those bets. Oh well.
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Are you slow? I'm not using an alias anymore.
Sounds like the whatever labs you work at, their fumes got to you.
Let me explain it to you, again. Slowly spelling it out.
I've asked TER to change my alias to be my username.
They did it. Now that alias is my regular username. You can ignore me, etc. The only thing that is missing is my reviews under my name, sadly. But I will inquire about that. I don't have any other alias, and I'm not planning to use one. My name is my name. And that name contains a rocket.
How about you now drop your pathetic narrative of me cowering in fear of people ignoring me.
This time it actually let me put in the Ignore request. I can’t thank you enough for finally facing your fears and keeping your word.
There may be hope for you yet!
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Respectfully Userbro,
We all must fight our own battles. You and me are bros and we're cool.
Has Rocketbro offended you to the point where his input is not of any value to you?!
Curious...
I’ve caught him lying so many times past my limit of tolerance that I no longer believe anything he writes.
I haven't lied a single time on this board, to anyone. I've always told the truth and am proud of telling the truth in a sea of lies that this biz entails.
Just more lies spread by a coward who can't even bring himself to say that orgs/pos benefit from discrediting of bad reviews. Why am I not surprised he's buddy buddy with maui, a backstabber who chose to betray trust over an advertisement in the forum it didn't belong in?
Are you guys going to get another thread to run completely off the right hand side of the page?
I don't normally follow these branches, but I have noticed that just about EVERY branch that starts running off the right hand side of the page has one thing in common. YOU are always part of it. lol
Ok, you guys can get back to your pointless bickering now.
I was biting my tongue so I didn't say anything. Clearly I didn't need to.
Good, you finally understood it. Bye. You won't litter my posts on double standards and fake reviews anymore with your garbage narrative.
I've never feared anyone btw.
The least are cockroaches who can't be honest with themselves and who sell out for advertising vagina over fellow mongers.
Keep your head in the ground like ostriches do, to pretend that entities don't try to influence reviews to make girls look better than they are. It's where it belongs.
I will be still here talking about fake reviews and pieces of shit who pretend to be mongers, writing reviews for their own product.
The good news is that you won’t have to spend so much time trying to make up plausible lies about people calling you on your crap anywhere near so often soon. Won’t that be nice?
If you can overcome your fears long enough to follow through.
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particular post. If you make it easy to go to what you're talking about, more people will follow the conversation. If you make them search for it, they will just go onto another post and skip yours. It does make little sense to talk about useyrhead's post, but link to the OP on the thread. Some dishonest posters always goes directly to a post because they like to take things out of context, but most people will read a post or two up the thread from the linked post to get the context anyway.
He also attributed Sag’s comments to me.
This is more than just a problem with not understanding how to link a post, it appears.
Agreed that MILF is about age (and hotness) and not about status as mothers. Unwed teen mothers aren't usually considered MILFs and there are hundreds of childless porn stars who make MILF videos.
Try mongering in Japan, Korea, Singapore and Thailand. All of the Asian girls chop five to seven (or more) years off of their age unless they actually are in their early 20s.
You really can spot the genuine early 20s girls pretty easily. They pretty much all have that baby fat in their faces and on their bodies. And, no, just because a girl might be plump doesn’t make her look younger. It’s hard to fake that layer of youthfully firm baby fat. Another way to spot a genuine early 20s girl? The majority of them don’t have much in the way of real skill. But there are always those rare exceptions.
The net is that this Asian girl practice of claiming to be younger is pretty global. More travel is not going to fix the “problem”. At least not from what I’ve seen.
I am not interested in "the way things are everywhere". Slaves were everywhere before Civil War. And? Women couldn't vote 120 years ago in most places? And? Pointing fingers at others and saying that's how things are a lazy, status-quo copout.
Besides, this is about review evaluation and not advertisement evaluation. I care that the review evaluates her correctly. I know the ad is likely fake.
You’ve been reading too many SJW blogs. That comparison is pure hyperbole.
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Maybe I'm missing something here but the ad ages and the understanding that they do under report (23/24 means mid 20 and under 30; 25 means early/mid thirties; 26 means late 30s very good looking early 40s; 27/28 means 40s and 29 means late 40s at best)
The TER profile breaks then lump basically mid 30s and below into one group and everyone else. That's just a crap filter to try using in the profile. And it is largely not something anyone but whoever submitted the first review has any control over. So I don't really see that as a review bit but an ad thing -- which is a different issue and should not be mixed in with the discussion about fake reviews.
I agree that the TER age ranges are broad, however, few people call out age discrepancies between the TER profile and a more "accurate" age estimate (myself included). I can see how that could be considered an implicit acceptance of the profile's stated age, making the issue one of reviews, not ads, although those are also relevant.
makes a review fake. Most white guys who are new to the Kgirl scene are really bad at figuring out what age bracket a Kgirl falls into, so they will often just accept the age the ad says, which usually falls into the 21-25 bracket. I would be more likely to call a review fake where the reviewer said a 20-something was a MILF. White guys always err on the side of guessing a younger age, rarely an older age, than she actually is.
This is why almost all of my reviews have an age correction in the first paragraph. I feel like I'm doing a favor to both the girl and my fellow mongers. If guys go in knowing what to expect, they are less likely to be disappointed. Disappointment in looks often results in a lower review score than what may have been deserved by the performance.
With that said, I think there should be some restrictions set up on who can create a profile for a new girl. I have written some reviews that had to correct other profile statements besides the age. There is no excuse for that. Calling out a fake is much more certain if the first reviewer doesn't mention the Bonsai tree tattoo that covers half of her back, or is more than one cup-size off on her tits. I read a recent review that had DD cups on a girl that was a B. Even a blind guy should be able to feel his way through that one. Lol
I actually generally agree with you. I don't think that age miscalculation is a basis of a fake review, unless there are other factors and patterns.
Although I don't get why guys err on the younger side. I always err on the older side, even if the provider plays the "guess my age" game- being pretty honest with them. I have fucked and been in relationship with so many Asian girls, I consider myself pretty good at estimating age. Still, sometimes even I get stumped.
I saw this girl last year who I figured could be anywhere in the late 20s to mid 40s range. Her body was looking youthful and she enjoyed fucking, but she had the kind of small wrinkles and her face was a tad older. I erred on the older side and said shes late 30s/early 40s and received many a "she's way younger" messages.
Then I heard from a fellow monger who really liked her and became her SD back in Korea. He said she turned 50 last year.
There are no providers in the bay right now that are under 30. My $.02
I’m considering most of the last 20 RA’s I’ve seen to be B&S grade discrepancy between pics and what’s behind the door. It’s not even sly at this point. 75% are not even the girl in the pics AT ALL.
many will argue it, but I’m really trying to be honest in my assessments and am not trying to slam anyone undeservedly.
I’m not in this game to hit up RA’s that are my age. If I were the Chinese girls are a way better price point.
How serious am I? I’m out of the kgirl game for now. That serious. A year ago the girls were hot. And frisky. Now, well, just look at the reviews. Read them! 6’s and 7’s with statements about how it was ok. One guy just reviewed a girl and gave her a nice review but also said in the same review that her belly fat was hanging so unattractively in CG that he had to flip to mosh because his wood was going soft.
This is all bullshit. I’m calling it.
Also, when I log on and see six girls all reviewed in the span of an hour I’m not buying it. That happened this afternoon with a bunch of girls from an org I used to revere.
Maybe it’s the pandemic. I don’t know. But I’m putting an Icon lift on my truck this winter with that money.
Yes, I’m sad and frustrated.
sag
The other reviews are bad reviews. Those might be just sloppy or uninformed or inexperienced reviewer or they might be intentionally misleading.
The problem is that in ALL cases most of us can only make some inferences based on indirect information.
But if the question is about double standards then lets get to the core of the matter. Both floor and sunny are reading here. Both called out the review due to the mismatch between claims physical attributes and known facts or what other reviews said (and one review said 36-26?-36 so that last 36 is not saying no ass unless the woman is 8 ft and 180 or something like that).
So, lets say the scores were not the 5/6 and 6/6 but 8/9 and 9/9? Are you two calling those out? Not calling them out because you don't bother to read them so don't see the discrepancy? Not calling them out because they are good press for the girl? Something else?
This thread is neither about floor nor sunny nor that thread. I made this thread as a spinoff to ask this question in general, specifically.
Think about it this way, I'm writing an algorithm and need a threshold of what can be considered enough evidence to call out a fake review. Bad or good. I'm asking if age difference is big enough to call them out? If so, I have heaps of shill reviews that slob on a girl saying she's 20s and she's in her fucking 40s.
Or are different peoples opinions weighted differently?
You were given the criteria: fake reviews as reviews of sessions that never happened. Non-fake reviews are reviews of sessions that did occur and can be good, bad or intentionally misleading. Inaccurate aspects of review can be called out without any attempt to classify the review as fake, or even to claims the motivation behind the inaccuracy.
But for you to actually make strong claims of fact you should have first hand information. If you're going to attempt to infer some conclusion from reviews requires you first start classifying the reviewer. That will also require first hand experience with girls you have both seen.
But at the end of the day what most want from reviews is useful guidance about future sessions with someone they have never seen before. That means the person using the review and the reviewer also need to have some shared preferences about what they will get in the session. So even an accurate review from someone that enjoys something I don't get anything from and doesn't care about activities I do get great enjoyment from might be useless for me -- and my reviews useless to that reviewer. So here, useless is useless and fake or even accurate (from the writer's perspective) doesn't really matter; it becomes more of an academic/moot court type of issue.
So to your last question, yes. Different people opinions are weighted differently AND those weighting will differ across the people trying to figure out what weighting to give.
"reviews of sessions that never happened." is not a criteria. You cannot know for 100%sure if it happened or not. Stop playing dumb.
A criteria is something a review has that you can compare against your information.
So like I've said, if I KNOW the girl is a lot older than the review says, if the review mentions physical or service traits that the girl does not have, than can I conclude that is a fake review?
Again, you exhibit double standards. In your view, if a girl is said to be older than she is or getting a feature wrong, then the event never happened.
But if she is said to be younger than she is or mentioned having a feature she doesn't have, then it might hav happened but the reviewer exaggerated?
This sounds so silly it's hilarious.
No, you don't get to pick and choose, bud. Give me actual criteria that fits for both positive and negative review, otherwise it's a hypocritical stance.
There are countless reviews calling a girl who's in her 40s, in her 20. Can I conclude that event did not happen of they're so far off? And if not, don't ever say it the other way around. You can't have it both ways.
Quite moving your goal posts rocket. Your OP is "fake reviews" now you want to talk about positive and negative reviews.
The criteria is the reviewer. That is the source you need to evaluate, not the review itself. This has ALSO been pointed out to you many times but you seem to wanted to only look at the review. But even here you charge of "cannot know" applies until you have actually seen the girl -- which largely makes the review useless for your purposes it seems.
The criteria for this is comparing the reviewers reviews to who you have seen that they have reviewed. That will also require building up a number of observations for comparison, not just one or two. Another heuristic in to greatly discount any review by a reviewer with just that one review -- especially if that is the ONLY review. You can also look at the pattern of reviews for any given reviewer to see if they are all 9/9 or all 6/6 or if they have a range of scores indicating they have some type of standard to apply and make some judgements. Last, read the actual reviews and see how the text and the numbers related.
If you do that, one of the natural results is very likely to be that fake reviews and intentionally misleading reviews will start getting filtered out. However, you will not really know if they really were fake or misleading or just bad (or good for that matter). But you will start getting a baseline for reviews that can be relied on in the future for seeking out good sessions and providers you have not yet seen.
I'm not moving any goalposts. I wanted concrete criteria. The criteria I saw someone use was calling someone a milf and thus being off in age and saying she had (allegedly) thinner ass.
Now I'm wondering if this criteria is good enough to swing the other way. And - what a fucking surprise - it apparently isn't. Fake positive review and fake negative reviews get different treatment from you hypocrites.
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as you yourself pointed out. That is very subjective. Some might not accept is if applied to a 20 something mother while others might. Other think the term refers to a hot looking woman that is in their 30s or 40s.
You're asking for something that largely doesn't exist. To the extent it does exist it resolves so few of the problems it's not even worth the effort to make a bit deal about because everyone already gets those situations.
First, apologies. I got carried away a bit, but I get very pissed off at double standards.
Second, yes and that's my point. When I was my presenting my cases it damn near took me a lot of clear-cut evidence and yet I was still questioned,
while a guy like this dude is called out on very thin basis. I don't get it, and I don't have any other explanation for this other than that people view fake negative reviews different from fake positive reviews. The threshold is clearly much lower here.
This is why I said I will also seek out reviews where age discrepancy is big and review has false info about physical apprarsnce. I had to hold out and find concrete evidence, but now I see that all one needs is discernible difference in age and discernible difference in physical appearance.
This makes my mission in identifying and exposing fake reviews a whole lot easier.
you posted a nice analysis about what you concluded was a fake/misleading review (personally I think you should try keeping the two separate in you own mind and rhetoric) and got a very nice complement from GaG. I agreed with his take. What I think made it good was the neutral tone, non-accusatory and non-lecturing style of writing you adopted for that one post.
You might find that following that as a model will make any contributions more welcomed by the audience here.
I might also note that such post are also likely not to generate as much in the way of feedback. Generally the bar is pretty high to get a bunch of people responding positively. I did not post my "*This* was a great post compared to all your other posts rocket" response because others had already done so. That may be a bad meme but seems to be the case -- people will hop on the "that was stupid/annoying" bandwagon all the time but tend not to do so for the "good job" bandwagon.
It's tough not to be accusatory in these . I take each every fake positive review personal, as each is aimed at extracting more money from my monger brethren. It makes my blood boil.
... is like, well, it's like trying to guess an Asian woman's age. :p It's pretty damn difficult without a lot of research, evidence and experience.
So I can easily see where a relative hobby noob, especially new to KGirls, can report age well out of alignment with reality. And consider a first time review writer who wants to get their review approved and wants to be accurate. I can see that guy scrupulously copying data like height, weight, body type AND age from the provider's ad, lest he be called out as faking the info, even though he just dumped a satisfying load somewhere on, or in, her body. Once our intrepid noob gets some more experience, and perhaps reads reliable blogs (like this one - MINUS the incessant, immature back and forth trolling - AHEM!) he will learn that providers, and especially KGirls and other Asians, always advertise as 20-ish while actually being at least 35, and probably closer to 40-50 or more.
For me, I never rely on a reported age, so I'm not worried about the review being "fake:" or unfair based on age. Instead I rely on "pictures accurate" and the reviewers description of her body and face. An example: I recently booked a well-known KGirl who has been cited here many times as being 40-50, while the pics in her ads look very much like a 22-26 year old Race Queen model in a skimpy, tight-fitting bikini. I knew she was older, but unlike my Sugar Baby standards requiring hotties generally 18-26, I didn't care. Why? Because even at (or especially at) 40-ish, she is HOT. Her body is tight, her energy was sexy, affectionate and sensual and I never got any middle-aged hag vibes from her.
So for me, if she looks hot, she's hot and I want to fuck her.
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I am totally with you. Even about the incessant, immature trolling. I apologize for feeding the troll by replying to him. That was a rookie mistake.
At the end of the day, we’re all a bunch of horny guys who want to fuck hot women who are willing to at least convincingly fake enthusiasm.
Well, it’s also about at least one more thing, I think. YMMV. It always bears repeating. No reviewer, no k-girl, no forum sage or wannabe sage can even come close to guaranteeing anyone else will have a great time. We’re each on our own when we step through the magic door. No amount of pixel peeping or review analysis can eliminate YMMV. And, honestly, I wouldn’t have it any other way.
I appreciate the post, but I think you're not really addressing my question. I want to know what is the basis of which a fake review can be called out because too many people on here treat calling out fake negative reviews differently than they do calling out fake positive reviews.
I do agree with you it's all about fuckability. I have quite a few gilfs (non Korean) that I enjoy sex with. Best eye candy is very often a very boring fuck or gps issues.
But this is about treating a similar confidence interval/standard deviation/etc differently depending on whether it's on the positive side or negative side that gets me.
It's the same with assumptions that happen when multiple negative reviews pop up. Like the guy who responded to your post, the one who calls me a troll, when he saw several less than stellar reviews pop up at LSC, he claimed right away that it was some drama going on. Whereas the most logical explanation was that LSC got new girls and they were less than stellar.
Can you imagine me making such a claim about positive reviews? Lol.
This is my main issue here, herbt. Multiple positive reviews of new girls are rarely a concern here. But negative ones somehow are. A review that calls a girl older (and not even sure by how much? I myself call girls in their mid 30s milfs) is called out as fake, whereas a review that calls a girl who is in her 40s as in her 20s is thought to be perfectly fine.
I really, really dislike double standards. I really dislike white knighting. And what I see is whiteknighting and double standards, unfortunately. If you are going to allow leeway and large standard deviation, do it properly - on BOTH sides. THAT is my main issue.
I hope you see the inherent flaw in that idea.
Unless you write the review (or did a MMF session with the reviewer 
, you will never really know if the writer is being realistic and accurate, or just projecting what he wishes his session was (or was not) like. I suggest rather than trying to compare a review by one person to reviews from others, you can get more meaningful insights be reading other reviews from the same reviewer. That can give you a better (though not perfect) baseline to use when judging the veracity of any particular review.
But come on Rocket... you've been around long enough to know when a square peg is being jammed into a round hole (pun intended). If your Spidey senses say a review is BS, call it BS, read more reviews about your potential KGirl and book or not based on your instinct. Unless you want to set yourself up as the Official KGirl Review Authenticator (and you'd better be getting a paycheck from TER for that!), I suggest you can be happy sharing your experiences and advice with the group and trusting each of us to think with our dicks.... err... I mean heads.... err... well you get the idea.
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Particularly when writing the review fresh from the high.
But yeah, I suspect many (most?) are about making the session (and the reviewer) sound like what they wish was reality.
No, I do not see an inherent flaw.
I have myself a bunch of criteria that I look for when finding fake reviews. Yes it includes obviously looking at other reviews of that person. (and for that matter the person who got called out here was also dissatisfied with age of an independent woman, so it was quite consistent - he expected not to be lied to by agencies about age)
This criteria works very well. I have a database of reviews, as you might know. It's easily searchable for patterns. As you also might know, there are people out there offering the services of writing reviews. Hell, I think you can pay a few people on fiverr to do so. These people aren't paid nearly enough to care about the quality of their reviews and leave patterns.
And I'll ask, If I were a troll, why would I go to lengths as to do all this work for free? Maybe because I'm passionate about hobby I'm engaging in and don't want subpar talent to be propped up incorrectly?
But anyway, again, I'm complaining about double standards when assessing different type of reviews. People on here will justify a fake positive review but will crucify a fake negative review. Like I've said, I understand if an org/girl/affiliate does it, it's directly in their nterest to discredit a negative review. But why do mongers want to make a girl look better than she is, than the other way around? I don't fucking get it at all. Why is negative review treated as an outlier that must be justified as anything else othe rthna the girl being not good, and a positive one never does?
All I want is for people to allow for same treatment of negative and positive reviews. That's all. Bullying of people who are brave to post negative reviews is not cool. Dismissing their reviews as anything but bad experiences, off "spidey sense" that only works in one direction is not cool.
Being fine with making girl seem better than they are, but balking at anything that makes them look worse than they are is hypocritical double standards.
And I appreciate that you took time to spell out your process and reasons for doing the work.
It's certainly more than I would do, probably for two key reasons:
1. I'm not too interested in finding new talent frequently, unless one of my go-to providers is unavailable or leaves the market. So I'm comfortable getting a preponderance of data and opinions that indicate I will enjoy my session and I'll book based on that. For me, I'm usually (say 90%-ish +) happy with the results.
2. I actually spend a similar amount of time and effort in the Sugar Baby space for similar reasons, though those who participate on the Erotic Highway board are almost unanimously against posting or even discussing individually named SB's. But I do invest a great deal of time analyzing profiles, trends, demo- and psycho-graphic data and more in the hopes of ensuring I can reliably find SB's that I will enjoy with whom I can optimize my sugar spend.
So hypocrisy, is thy name HerbTCat? Possibly... :p
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Well, I think (and this is just my guess here, if I'm wrong please accept my apologies) that you do a lot more research for SBs likely because you will be spending more money and time on them, so it's in your interest to have your larger investments not be a dud.
I don't know whether it qualifies as hypocrisy here. It's just that pizza analogy that says if you can afford many girls in a timeslice, than you can afford some misses. Or maybe your misses are so rare that you can afford one or two per hundred.
The hypocrisy starts when you start to hold negative reviews to different standards as positive ones 
Cheers and thanks for holding a normal, respectful conversation. It has been a pleasure.
I'm a few days late but ...
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There's a big difference between fake or fraudulent and incorrect or mistaken or erroneous.
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I consider a fake or fraudulent review to be one spun out of whole cloth: no meeting ever occurred or other fakeness almost that extreme.
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I consider an incorrect or erroneous review to be one with mistakes which could include an age assessment. Some errors are due to poor memory or confusing Providers with one another. Some are due to a lack of Carnival Barker Age Guessing skills. (When it comes to age, I care less about actual chronological age than I do about a BELIEVABLE age ... that is, an age that I will believe, not an age that my hostess will believe.
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I've read "no tattoos" about girls with enough ink that it shouldn't have been missed. Or "short hair" on someone known to have long locks; maybe she wore her hair up that day? Some reviewers will swear to "Naturals" when everyone else knows that they are really well done fakes. And so on.
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Fake reviews and error laden reviews are both bad. But the motives of the reviewers differ.
Spinoff of the other thread.
If a review is off by a significant number of years, like 15-20 years dro the actual age, do you consider it enough grounds to CA it a fake review?
Let's say you know this girl is in her 40s,easily. But review says she's in her 20s. Do you consider it a fake? And vice versa, if review says she's a milf but you know she's in her 20s?
Or do you just flag these reviews but don't make a conclusion yet?
Me, I'll do the latter. I'll correct the age if it's a mini or girl discussion on the board. What about everyone else?
Again that's fair, but where do you draw the line between a fake review or incorrect review?
Like you've said, if someone says no tattoos and the girl is inked up, is that a fake review or an inaccurate review? If someone is off age-wise, is it a fake review or an incorrect review?
I've seen people dismiss real reviews as fake reviews (at least on other boards), even though I've had the same exact experience as the "fake" reviewer did.
So I want to know what is the criteria to say "this is review is fake rather than inaccurate". Ive observed thus far that people think that if one thinks a girl is younger than she is, it's inaccurate... but if one thinks she's older than he is... It's a fake review. I think it's absolutely unfair to say this.
We’ve tried talking to him before about the possibility of some reviews that he is calling fake actually being honest mistakes. But nobody has gone into as much detail for him as you just kindly did. Anything other than photo perfect accuracy has been called a lie so far. Though who knows how he makes that determination. Since by his own admission, he’s not actually seeing any girls this year.
It will be interesting to see if he is able to accept your explanation. If he is able to do that, it will represent significant progress in the Rocket dialog. Frankly, more progress than anyone has seen with him so far. If that happens, kudos to you.
No matter what the r-boy’s response, that was a good explanation. Thanks for that.
Honestly fake reviews piss me the hell off but you also have to consider that some people are just bad at guessing age, especially with Asians, who age very well/are hard to pin down accurately. Plus, taking into account the low/dim lighting in a lot of kgirl incalls, and makeup, etc. and the issue becomes fuzzier still. I personally don't look at age listed for kgirls, I assume they are all 30-40ish unless reviewers specifically call her young/very young. And even then, they've been wrong.