"Pro tip," indeed! That should work. I have asked for a particular girl, been told "no more," and then been sent an HONEST picture of the girl that replaced her. I have also had the experience where, without prompting, I was sent two honest pictures, their names, and ages (which, after seeing the girls, I can say were at least in the ballpark).
One of the girls is my ATF (singular) and I was disappointed that they only showed her with her head turned. After eight or nine visits with her, I had no problem knowing it was her, but they obviously, or so I assume, think she isn't pretty enough to show her face. That hurt, lol. She's still my ATF.
Answer: Ask for her by name when you make the appointment!
That may seem absurdly obvious to some of you, but not everybody understands the way Asian Crapshoot Services work. There are hobbyists I've PMed who, upon questioning, acknowledged they didn't know the name of the girl they saw and, upon reflection, realized she didn't remotely match the physical descriptions in the profile or earlier reviews.
It's clear form looking at some reviews of girls that work at ACSs that guys read a good review of, say, "Yummy" and want to see her. They call the number and make an appointment only to -- and usually unaware throughout the visit -- get serviced by another girl, "Mummy." She, too, works at that ACS, usually in the same apartment. The guy left it to a 50/50 crapshoot whether he would see Yummy and lost. Important point: the word 'crapshoot' need only apply to the case where you're seeing an unreviewed girl!
Upon returning home, our fellow enthusiast, being the helpful TER member he is, writes a review of decrepit Mummy...in Yummy's profile! What we see is a new review for Yummy where the description of the service provided and scores are wildly off. (While we're at it, if you think you're going to share with us a review of the experience you're having, at some point during the visit...ask her for her name: "What's your name?" Or, "what can I call you?")
Further, if the guy in our example had asked the girl's name at the door, he could have asked to wait until Yummy, in the next bedroom with her legs in the air, was available. By my experience, unless she has a customer waiting, she's not even going to ask you to go back to your car. Instead, you'll wait with her in her room. Hey, after looking at her for several minutes, maybe her back-from-the-grave frailty piques your interest and you decide you want to fuck her after all. Then you'll get to experience the joy of creating a new profile for a girl at an ACS and see the TER screening process in all it's fucked up glory.
I have been PMed three times (I only have 15 reviews) asking me for advice from guys who want to prevent being "B&S'd" when looking to see a girl I reviewed. They knew enough that my mention of ACS in the review was uncharted waters for them. My answer is, wait for it... ask for her by name! I have only ended up seeing a different girl than the one I was trying to revisit once, and in that case it wasn't clear that it was intentional. My point is, if you ask for the girl by name, maybe even throw in that you'll leave if you get there and it's a different girl (though I don't think that's necessary), you will either see her or be told "she no more, new girl," or other eloquent words to that effect.
Tangentially, but indicative of the general truthfulness outside of the ad itself, I once texted an ACS I had used before about their new ad and asked, "Do you really have new Japanese girls?" She texted back, "Yummy and Mummy." LOL. "OK, I'll see Yummy again, thank you." No new Japanese girls; same delightful Chinese girls.
that they will not accept a review for a specific girl unless she is identified with photos in their web ad. Many of these places put only SOME of the girls' photos up and the girl you see may not be one of the girls displayed in the ad, so your example of Yummy and Mummy being combined into the same review is most likely the fault of the reviewer, because he just used the same agency link as Yummy had in her review(s) and when you click that link, it shows Yummy and not Mummy. THAT would cause TER to put the review under Yummy. So a reviewer setting up the profile must go to the agency website, find the photos that go with Mummy, and create a new link to go in the new profile specifically for Mummy.
When you are setting up a profile for a new girl, you MUST have a dedicated link that takes you to HER specific ad. Otherwise, she will be put under one of the other names at that agency. The turnover at these places makes it imperative that one not delay in getting their review up. Once the link expires, your review will not be approved and you wasted your time writing it. Generally, you have a little longer window to post your review with Kgirls working at AAMP's, but things move pretty fast in the Chinese FS massage places.
Wrong. That's how things are supposed to operate, but at least in NoVa, plenty of ACS reviews are for profiles with links that don't mention names and include clearly irrelevant pics. TER admin would actually have to care to enforce this.
or a post on the discussion boards that gets moved, TER can only go by the information that is contained therein. If you provide good links and accurate info, they have been excellent IMO in getting my reviews onto the right girl. I had ONE instance in all of these years where a review went onto the wrong profile and it was easily corrected in a few hours by PM. I still say if these things are happening, then its because the reviewer is NOT providing accurate info when he writes the review. I know there are a few relatively new guys here that don't ever own anything they do wrong, so I won't belabor the point. Its GIGO to use a shopworn tech term.
Your post supports my point. Where do you think TER gets the links that go to the irrelevant pics, or that don't mention names? They are provided by the reviewer. The reviewers have to actually cared enough to supply accurate links. I don't know why there are so many here that have problems in understanding this concept. WE supply the info in a new profile. If you don't supply EVERYTHING that is asked for on the review form, you are indeed risking your review being in the wrong place, but why is that on TER, and NOT on the person supplying the info?
The onus is on TER to deny those profiles. Why are they approving them in the first place if the links aren't specific?
to a web ad that identifies THAT particular girl, with photos. It means when the profile was originally created, the reviewer submitted a working link to the girl's ad. Otherwise, the review would not have been approved. I have had reviews rejected because I waited too long to write the review and the girl left the day I submitted the review, and so the link I put for her ad all of a sudden didn't work anymore when the mod tried to verify it. If the girl returns within 3 months, then I can resubmit the review with a working link. Otherwise, it sits in my review graveyard indefinitely.
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This is so obviously wrong that it would never get by us. There are two glaring errors that TER let go. Take a look. Don't look for more than a couple minutes, though. If you spot one or both, let us know. I'll reveal both errors after a few responses. And sorry, I'd love to offer an award for catching both errors...but all I can give you is kudos!
https://adultsearch.com/washington-dc/washington-dc/female-escorts/2569609
You linked an ad, not a profile. D'oh!
You posted an ad without a name, but there’s no review attached to this ad. Where are you getting the idea that TER “let two errors go”?
Oh, fuck me! I copied the wrong link. Here's the link for the profile in question:
https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/candy-5714712115-364006
TER moved the profile to MPG, but you can still challenge yourself because it's still all fucked up. However, this time you'll need to actually look at the review to catch the errors. Emphasis on *look* at the review, you don't need to read about his experience.
HINT:
Not only did TER move the profile to MP, but they engaged again in a practice I thoroughly reject, have seem numerous times before, and you should reject it too: they switched the ad since I my original post. *TER* switched the ad! However, they made a huge mistake in choosing the ad to replace it with.
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MPG?
"Massage Parlor Girls"
This has NOTHING to do with K-Girls.
You really should take your personal concerns regarding TER, and this particular review and profile to TER and Will -- he's been around a long time.
First, who's Will?
More importantly, referring to my "concerns" as "personal" is totally missing the point. I'll post another example soon that's actually egregious, not just sad. It won't be a quiz. It will highlight awful behavior that's going to hurt a working girl and deny other guys of seeing her reviews and then, as a result, the pleasure of seeing her.
I found her on TER through her reviews: on a couple occasions, I saw a new review for her show up in my list. I said to myself each time, "I want to see her!" Well I finally did, and last week was my 13th time with her in 3.5 months. She's awesome, and that's almost universally agreed.
I've tried more that you know privately to get TER to treat providers with the respect they've earned, that they deserve. Wait until I post about Tina, then tell me this should be a backburner concern among us. Respect. That's all. They owe it to providers and clients alike. I want the chance to find more like her and for others to find her, too.
"First, who's Will?" Are you kidding? The guy who WROTE the review you're talking about.
And yes, this does appear to be more a personal issue than anything else. You keep bringing up "problems" no on else can verify because "something has changed" since your first post about them or you just don't provide the information. I don't think I'm alone in this but all the "problems" you keep calling out have simply NEVER happened with one of my reviews or to a review I've seen in the past or that I've ever heard anyone else on TER mention.
Why shouldn't I, or anyone else, see this as a personal problem you are having rather than some systemic TER problem?
As for this review, looking at it not it has both the links -- the one you say was replaced and the one you initially posted -- and separately or collectively they would qualify as MP ads so a MP review. I don't have VIP so cannot look directly but one post even says the review itself seems to fit the MP situation.
Last, this STILL has NOTHING to do with K-Girls. Please take it somewhere more appropriate.
Isn’t Will also allcomers? That was my conclusion.
I didn't pay attention to the reviewer since the problems I have are:
1) That it ever got published in the first place with the errors in it
2) That after I pointed it out to you guys, TER switched the ad...to an ad matching the phone number, which is the wrong number for the review. The first ad was correct, only the number was wrong, Now both are wrong.
3) Then, after pointing that out in this thread, TER added a bunch of other reviews, three of which are incorrect. They're chasing their tail on this one.
And non of this bothers you guys?? TER is manipulating profiles!
CORRECTION: That should have read:
3) Then, after pointing that out in this thread, TER added a bunch of other **ads**, three of which are incorrect. They're chasing their tail on this one.
After a profile is established, any changes are as a result of Problem Reports submitted by guys (or sometimes the providers themselves). TER does not add "a bunch of other ads" on their own. It's not what they do.
You said "TER is manipulating profiles!" You are attributing something sinister to TER which just isn't true. It may be a mistake, human error or downright incompetence by a TER staffer but it's not manipulation.
I beg to differ. Have you ever submitted a Problem Report? If you have, then you know they don't react in a matter of hours, not even days sometimes. I have receipts this time.
And while you're at it, take a look at my thread about "Tina" on the DC forum. I have receipts there, too.
Yes, it's manipulation and all of us should care.
if you're not going to pay attention to which name you post under?
passion has two n's. Lol
He's a real beauty. A felcher boy wannabe. Probably one of those Neurotic Donkey guys who migrated here when the Donkey stopped giving them free VIP for their fake reviews of cheap ACS and MP girls. Heck, even the illustrious BPOS called him out for his idiocy.
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You know what's most interesting about that...It let me! All day until just a while ago, I've had to switch it to my alias — this one slipped through. It was bugging me enough that I closed all my open windows and cleared my cache, and yet it persisted. It was bound to get me. LOL. Not a big deal, but the fun for me has been taken away. 
by making me agree with BigP, but he's right on this one. Lol
When you review a girl that already has a profile, you don't have to use the link that is already there in your submission form. You can submit an ad link that's different as long as it still goes to the same girl. TER mods will ADD this new link to her profile, and that's how a girl gets multiple ad links. Not all of them are good forever, but as long as it worked the day the review was approved, it will be posted in the profile. At some point in the future, if it doesn't work anymore, you can submit a problem report and TER will remove a link that is no longer active for that girl. TER does not continuously monitor profiles for accuracy. They depend on members like us to bring subsequent discrepancies to their attention via a problem report to keep the profiles updated for your fellow mongers. I'm not completely certain what the rules are for turning problem reports into free VIP days. Sometimes I've gotten them and sometimes I haven't, but its still good to keep everything updated, and if you can help in that regard, you should.,
LOL
I was thinking that there is a remarkable skill when someone can come on this board and produce agreement from all the warring factions.
tell allpassion that he knows he's on the wrong side for sure if he can get BigP and I to agree on something. Lol
1. If you had a problem with the review you should have contacted Will.
2. Since you posted your complaint as an erroneously formatted riddle, we don’t know for sure what your issue was. That said, it seems your upset that it’s been placed in the Massage Category. Why? There are four ad links in the review. Three of them point to an ACS with no names included. The only one that seems to list a name has a phone number that’s not listed in the profile. TER is very clear about requirements to get a profile listed in the Escort section, and this profile as it stands does not meet that criteria.
3. Next time you decide to put a reviewer on blast, please don’t do it in riddle format.
3. Next time you decide to put a reviewer on blast, please don’t do it in riddle format.
The reviewer isn't and never was the issue. It's been TER from the start.
Can’t you find more ACS girls like her just by searching the Massage Girls section for girls in your area? I don’t see why this is such a big deal? I think the reason that so many of us disagree with you is that we don’t see ACS/Massage Parlor girls.
A fine idea, until you try it. The problem is that the escorts who have been relegated to MPG don't show up when a client attempts to review them. Instead, they're presented with the option to create a new profile, which usually gets rejected by TER for lack of a provider name (that part is fair enough). And that's usually where it ends. No new review.
Okay. I'll leave you to your own issue and stay out of it. Starting to sound like it might wind up like the Club Love Line situation in Vegas which ended poorly for the agency, the ladies who worked there, and the guys who stanned them. Best of luck to you.
Hold on, I have no idea what you're talking about. So, before you leave, how about a link or someway to learn from the history of which you speak?
Nah. You consistently tell me and other experienced members that we’re wrong and you’re right, or that we don’t understand and you do. I’ll let you research this one for yourself. But if I were you I would tread very carefully. You’re starting to look like you’re promoting or shilling for DMV area ACS girls and that won’t end well for you if Admin agrees with me.
That's pure shit, and you know it. Show me a single example of me saying "experienced members" are wrong where they were right. Just one and I'll concede.
You turned sour when I told you I had "experience" in using the MPG reviews and they proved useless. Your response made no sense and I let it go. Maybe you could start there by telling me, first, how that was saying *you* were "wrong" and, second, how *I* was wrong.
I'm not about picking fights, I'm trying to open eyes. (And can we dispense with the spurious, made up claims...I'm shilling... cut it out. That's the sound of empty arguments. You can do better.)
Allcomers has stated he’s only acting in the best interest of the ACS girls vis-á-vis visibility, but his board comments and reports seem to be having the opposite effect. Might be best if he takes a step back and allows the TER/ACS ecosystem settle back into its previously undisturbed state.
Correct. I’m hoping Admin will pick up on his act and take the appropriate action. For now I’m done responding to him.
I think you should try to convince the places you visit (that is, convince the owner / operator / Mamasan / Providers) that it would in their best interest to create a website and provide other details that would make it easier to be reviewed on TER. A website with real photos and real (Provider) names would enhance the popularity of some girls which will be advantageous to the others, as well.
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And even fear of a negative review isn't always justified because it can IMPROVE the experience if they follow up and correct the issue. "... cleaned me up with a cold water wash cloth. Puh-leeeze, use the warm water!" "The door on the last room on the left doesn't latch properly and keeps popping open. I'm not going back until they fix that." And even constructive criticism about the service itself.
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I don't think TER will change. Tell your ACS places to change!
A fine idea, until you try it. The problem is that the escorts who have been relegated to MPG don't show up when a client attempts to review them. Instead, they're presented with the option to create a new profile, which usually gets rejected by TER for lack of a provider name (that part is fair enough). And that's usually where it ends. No new review.
Read the review and read the Cost of Service in the profile. Where do you get the idea that TER "moved the profile to MP"?
I'm not sure what you're looking at, but I assure you that it went from ER to MPG *and,* in the process, the ad got switched from the one in my original post to the one that's there now.
While we're at it, anybody ever heard of "kittyads . com" before? Looks third-rate. Seriously, what the hell is going on here?
Also, do you all get the serious claim I'm making? No, not that they do a bad job of processing reviews. It's very serious, I think.
OK, time's up: here's the PRIMARY error in the profile that TER let go:
The phone number is for a different girl. It's not just wrong, It's for ANOTHER GIRL.
The second error was that the ad didn't mention a provider by name.
And, despite all their fucking about with the ads in the profile, they have never fixed the "original sin," the phone number is still terribly wrong (and it's for another girl, an independent 30 miles away who has over 20 reviews on TER!).
Actually, TER is pretty rigorous about making sure the name of the girl you're creating a profile for is listed in the ad somewhere, anywhere. I've been through this with them numerous times where they kept rejecting a profile for lack of a name...a name that is clearly in the ad (ok, maybe it's not always so clear -- sometimes it's buried as an annotation in a picture). Even with specific instructions like, "to see the name, open the ad and look at the firs picture," they still reject it until they finally give in and open the ad. Then you get a, "we opened the ad and saw the name." No "sorry for taking your time by ignoring your instructions the first five times."
What confuses things further is that, after some period, they change the ad and maybe the link in the profile takes you to an ad the does *not* have any name. Or, the girl has moved on so the link is inaccurate. So be it. But trust me, at the time you create a profile they will not allow it unless the name matches the ad.
In fact, and I hate to say this, but if ACSs didn't want their girls reviewed they could just create all their ads without names. Then it would be up to the ad site to enforce ads with names, which they should do. This shit needs to be legal for everybody's sake. It sure would help clear up this mess.
and sometimes ACS’s run different ads on different sites. It’s a gray area and I think TER is trying to give the benefit of the doubt to get reviews of these girls published while adhering to TER requirements.
This convo seems to have strayed afar from the original post, “How To See The ACS Girl You Read About In A Review”
This "discussion" has strayed, but not very far by recent TER stds. It really was meant as a simple public service announcement. At least it hasn't devolved into a tit-for-tat troll contest. LOL. Give it time and I'll bet it does.
Bedpage is the worst offender wrt not requiring names. I mean, they might, but if they do there's no enforcement. And BP is where ACSs flock to. I personally like the chaos, just wish they forced the use of names.
So let me ask this: Do ads for AMPs include lines like this one, which is pretty much standard for ACSs? Not asking if you've seen an AMP ad with this type of language, I'm asking if it's completely routine, like it is for ACSs:
"69+bbbj+gfe+cim+BBFS"
And Latino, white, AA and EE ads also include them -- generally on the Escort section of such ad sites.
That is 100% irrelevant to the point that was being made. What is being offered really is not driving the differentiation between the MP and the Escort review qualification. FS is nearly always on the table at some point for patrons at the MP that are reviewed here. That does not move the review to Escort.
And Latino, white, AA and EE ads also include them -- generally on the Escort section of such ad sites.
That is 100% irrelevant to the point that was being made. What is being offered really is not driving the differentiation between the MP and the Escort review qualification. **FS is nearly always on the table at some point for patrons at the MP that are reviewed here.** That does not move the review to Escort.
The first is to point out what you call ACS is more about the ad site than the ethnicity of the provider. It's a low-end ad tool where everyone I've ever heard from , and my rather limited experience, all say most of the time you're going to find coal, not a diamond. But all the ads claim to be diamonds.
I'm sure you can find some examples as I noticed them without even looking. It's not like every ad will do that and I suspect the places that do don't for ever ad they place each day either. Just noting what I've seen before and since I hardly go to such sites if I see it I have to assume it's fairly common -- but I suppose it could have been an odd coincidence.
The ad saying it's FS (or any other sex act) or not is not what matters. Look at the ads for any of the better K-agencies, or the C-agency, in the area. I don't think ANY are saying anything about sex. They tend to talk about models. The few times I've gone to an AMP around here I have always been told next time FS would be available, generally $200. The AMP would still not be eligible for an Escort Review because of the ad they run.
We're already established that ACS ads don't qualify as Escort Reviews, however the disagreement stems from whether they provide the same service as escorts and should be classified as such, which they do. FS at an AMP doesn't qualify as an Escort Review because of the ad and also because it's not the primary reason for the visit. It's just one part of the whole experience. Even in your example, FS on a repeat visit is not guaranteed, as many times, girls will say that to get you to come back.
And since none of the non-ACS Asian agencies in the area have ads with the terms listed we should think they are (storefront) AMP?
I didn't bring in the who services listed in any ad. I just pointed out it has nothing to do with the OP. However, the other aspects do -- how the place operates and advertises most certainly affects the ability to "ask by name". And this will related to the class of review. If someone is using an Escort review they should have the expectation that the name on the review is for a unique person. Scheduling a session for that name should get them a session with the same person as everyone who wrote a review.
If they are looking at and MP review then they should expect that whoever it is they are working with considers the women working there basically warm, interchangeable bodies and think this clients should think the same. Asking by name at such a business may or may not produce the desired results.
In theory, the categorization of a review may be wholly dependent on the ad that it's based on, however, in practice, that isn't the case. If you ask most mongers, they'll tell you that although the ad is the point of departure for experiences, it contributes the least amount to them, because the bulk of reviews are based on the service that was provided. When the "ability to ask by name" is the smallest difference between ACS' and AMPs, they cannot both be classified as MPs. I think a better argument would be that ACS' don't fit into either of those categories, but that's not the hard-headed argument that you're making.
Your first statement is not really related to the rest of your post.
Let's start with the first point. If practice is not following the "theory" -- I assume you mean according to the stated guidelines -- then reporting the error and having it corrected is the solution. It sure as hell does not point one to creating a third class of reviews as you suggest.
Now about the rest. If the ad does not provide any means to identify a person then when you go looking for reviews your just a blind squirrel hoping to find that nut. If you search the reviews based on the phone number you're going to find reviews for every provider reviewed using that booking number. The way to interpret those reviews is to see them as assessments of the group's/agency's/booking service's consistency. You cannot infer anything about a specific provider in such cases, which is what the Escort review is trying to provide.
The idea is one can learn something about a specific person with an Escort review. That is not something one should expect from a MP review. There is no need for a third category whatsoever.
Again, this has nothing to do with the location (commercial or residential), what services are offered (FS, BB, GFE, PSE, FBSM, S&M, Fetish or anything else). The distinction is can the review be read as being for a specific person or not.
hobby career, I spent a short time at Asian massage places, which I visited a few dozen times before graduating to escorts (indies first and Kgirls nearly a year later), and I think you hit the nail on the head. The owners believe all the girls are fungible. Customers are SUPPOSED to be getting the same service no matter which girl you get, so they don't see why you would be upset getting yummy when you asked for dummy. Its an assembly line to make it affordable for most guys. If you are asking for specific girls by name, if they are run the same as when I went years ago, I think you are lucky if you get the girl you asked for 50% of the time. It goes with the territory.
This reply is actually a reaction to the quoted Jensen replies, but it's too long to be stuffed ten in from the left margin, so I'm putting it here (sorry Floorhump). So sue me.
I didn't bring in the who services listed in any ad. I just pointed out it has nothing to do with the OP. However, the other aspects do -- how the place operates and advertises most certainly affects the ability to "ask by name". And this will related to the class of review. If someone is using an Escort review they should have the expectation that the name on the review is for a unique person. Scheduling a session for that name should get them a session with the same person as everyone who wrote a review.
If they are looking at and MP review then they should expect that whoever it is they are working with considers the women working there basically warm, interchangeable bodies and think this clients should think the same. Asking by name at such a business may or may not produce the desired results.
If you're will to acknowledge you don't have valid experience with ACSs, good. But why then wax eloquent on the subject? Guys seem to react to the unflattering nickname, "Asian Crapshoot Service," and decide on its face that there's something wrong with it. Really, it's just different...with an unflattering nickname. ACSs are incall-only escort agencies, period. Please read on and let's straighten a few things out:
I've stated numerous times, and it actually was meant to be the subject of this thread, that you ABSOLUTELY CAN ask for a specific girl when you book your appointment with an ACS. True, you won't know who you want based upon the ad. It will have to be based on a review you read (the scenario for the basis of this thread) or someone you've seen before.
And, yes, I'm using the word 'appointment' loosely because the actual time is up to 30 minutes off. In dozens of visits to various ACS, and we've got tons of them in Norther Virginia (NOVA), I've had to wait only a handful of times, maybe only five. Waiting even longer than that is something I have lots of experience with in life as I've had a fair share of doctor appointments, hair appointments, car repair appointments, etc.
ACS ads are *never* accurate WRT to the girl's age, looks, pictures, or anything else having to do with her. Her appearance is a crapshoot, and that where ACSs get there name! However, the written services listed are consistently accurate. I hate websites where the girl tells you all about herself EXCEPT what you can expect by way of services. If she's not reviewed somewhere, I have no idea what I should expect and that's a game of crapshoot I don't want to play.
And the "coal v. diamonds" derision is not my experience. Tsk tsk, so judgy. I've seen plenty of reviews for girls with with agencies that have websites that say the girl's pictures are 20 lbs ago or 10 yrs earlier or whatever. PSing is rampant. They're not exactly batting 1000 in that department. But like my vast experience with ACSs, it's usually something the reviewer is able to overlook in light of good service.
Very importantly, the main problem with reviewing ACS girls is that it's rare that the ACS includes their names in the ads! They do on occasion, and I jump on the opportunity to write a review when I see it. There are ACS girls I'd love to review, but I can't for lack of a name plus ad combo. It would be up to the ad sites to enforce listing names, and they clearly don't. And it pisses me off. CKS nailed it with his comment about that.
So, if you want to know about ACSs, read my numerous posts with lots of info on the subject. It's not conjecture, it's fact. And more than anything else that I object to in the replies I get, the ones that get pointed replies in return, are that ones that assume I'm not telling the truth. WTF? That's nuts. Cut it out.
And for some background information for the inquisitive reader, I started out in my pay-for-it endeavor by making multiple visits to half a dozen AMPs in what is about the most celebrated AMP locality in our area, Herndon/Sterling. Herndon is renown for its AMPs. Some reviews measure the service they got by comparing it to the service you get in Herndon. Despite this, I'm not familiar with the type of AMP you describe, whether directly or through reviews. By my experience, FS is extremely rare and strictly a ymmv deal. I actually did bbfs with a girl at an AMP, but it was never on her menu, it just developed (and she was a gorgeous Korean).
And finally, I found my first escort on tryst, and I was really disappointed in the service. I was so glad to find my next girl, Judy, who many of you are now familiar with. And then after that...I found ACSs! Let's here it for ACSs!! "Life is like a box of chocolates (read ACSs) ..."
Now, taking all that I've told you about ACSs as factual, i.e., the truth, do you still really think that ACSs should be treated like AMPs? Do you still think that, say, Mimi, who is my ATF and who has been here for more than a year, should be hidden from view, stuck in MP Reviews, because the ad used for her profile no longer has her name in it? Is that what happens when your girls are no longer on the website of the agency you use, or do they eventually get a "Report New Website URL" and stay in the Escort Reviews section? You want that guys shouldn't be able to read my review of Mimi and have the choice of calling the number to ask for her and go see her? After carefully reading what I've said you still think ACS girls should be treated differently than your favorite girls because TER has taken a negative position on them? Or it should continue as is because TER mods don't want to take the time to understand it similar to some of you?
If you're going to answer and you're about to say something unfounded, please check what I've said to see if I haven't already dispelled it. Or ask a clarifying question. Don't think about your opinion of me, think about the girls and think about the guys who can't look to reviews to discover them or add reviews to their profiles. I'm serious. Can I get some serious and considered responses?
No one is treating the girls differently here, certainly not me. What is being distinguished here is the ad that is being used. If the ad has a picture and a name for a specific lady you can make an Escort review. If it doesn't provide that then it will not be acceptable as an Escort review. If the had is not very clear about it then a judgement will be made, which will mean reasonable people can disagree about the decision but in the end it's TER's decision to make.
Clearly, if the ads are not sufficiently differentiating among the providers that are currently working, or those who passed through but at now gone, any review will be of questionable value in making a choice as the reader is not sure they will see the person reviewed -- this is true even if they ask by name.
But good effort at trying to ignore that simple point.
Since you want to suggest some type of persecution aimed at Asian provider I think you should look in the mirror. Your Asian Crap Shoot is not about Asians but pretty much all the providers on begpage. Why call out the Asian rather than the ad site and us BCS (begpage crap shoot)? That would at least be a more well-defined term than your ACS term.
than any other escort on TER. Tend to agree with Jensen here. If a provider has an ad with her name attached to it, she can be reviewed on TER. If there’s no name attached to the ad, she doesn’t.
than any other escort on TER. Tend to agree with Jensen here. If a provider has an ad with her name attached to it, she can be reviewed on TER. If there’s no name attached to the ad, she doesn’t.
I tend to agree with cks and Jensen more than Allcomers. Let me try to explain why.
I have four ATF KGirls, Gloria, Amanda (Becy), Quinn and Moli. I've seen each at least five times. All of their ads have their names in them, and every time I make an appointment to see one of them they are the lady who answers the door and rocks my world. The same has been true for the other KAgencies that I've used in Vegas. Thus, all of their reviews are dependable and useful for me.
By contrast, there is an ACS house near one of my homes in Southern California. Really close, like three minutes away. It's been there for 10+ years in the same house. And over the years there have been 4 or 5 other ACS houses in that area, all within 10 minutes of my house. They're Chinese and Mongolian ladies rather than KGirls, and their donations are 120/160 rather than the 260/320 for KGirls. The service is also different, with no showers and less gfe service (and they tend to use unpackaged condoms, which is why I always bring my own). Needless to say, because of the convenience/proximity I've been there more than a few times when I was in need of a quick release. When I first went there the ads were for ladies named "Coco" or "Yoyo" if I recall correctly, and later other names were used. Currently the ads don't have names, just pictures with phone numbers and services. The pictures were always complete fakes, and the ladies changed every two weeks or so. They never looked like the photos, and the service varied widely from great occasionally to horrible occasionally, but usually 5s or 6s. After a few visits I knew that, but I returned when I needed a quick release because of the convenience. There are many TER and Neurotic Donkey reviews of the ladies at this ACS house. Reviews of these ladies are completely useless to me (and everyone else) because the looks and service are dependent on the actual lady there when one visits, and that changes every two weeks or so. This is very different from the KGirls I've seen where the ladies in the reviews are actually the ladies that I see (although the photos are usually blurred or photoshopped). Now, I also know that there are KAgencies that swap names of mid-level ladies, and change the names of ladies who have bad reviews, and the experience in those instances is often closer to the ACS ladies (although it follows the KGirl script). Because I do a lot of research before I see a KGirl that hasn't happened to me (yet?), and hopefully it doesn't.
So, my conclusion based on my experiences is that ACS ladies belong in the AMP/Massage section on TER along with a warning that the lady who answers the door is unlikely to be the lady who was previously reviewed. I would also be ok with creating a new ACS designation and a new ACS forum board so we don't mix ACS and AMP with KGirls and KAgencies. That way TER has warned review readers of the risk and potential for seeing a totally different lady than the one in the prior reviews. I also believe that a similar warning should be added to KGirl reviews where the KGirl and/or KAgency has a history of completely fake photos and/or the lady has a history of changing names to avoid bad reviews. If our goal is to provide quality information to one another, then let's do that.
First, thanks for a considered response.
(2) The service is also different, with no showers and less gfe service (and they tend to use unpackaged condoms, which is why I always bring my own). Needless to say, because of the convenience/proximity I've been there more than a few times when I was in need of a quick release...
(3) Currently the ads don't have names, just pictures with phone numbers and services. The pictures were always complete fakes, and the ladies changed every two weeks or so. They never looked like the photos, and the service varied widely from great occasionally to horrible occasionally, but usually 5s or 6s.
(4) Neurotic Donkey
(5) This is very different from the KGirls I've seen where the ladies in the reviews are actually the ladies that I see (although the photos are usually blurred or photoshopped). Now, I also know that there are KAgencies that swap names of mid-level ladies, and change the names of ladies who have bad reviews, and the experience in those instances is often closer to the ACS ladies (although it follows the KGirl script).
(6) So, my conclusion based on my experiences is that ACS ladies belong in the AMP/Massage section on TER along with a warning that the lady who answers the door is unlikely to be the lady who was previously reviewed.
(7) I would also be ok with creating a new ACS designation and a new ACS forum board so we don't mix ACS and AMP with KGirls and KAgencies. That way TER has warned review readers of the risk and potential for seeing a totally different lady than the one in the prior reviews. I also believe that a similar warning should be added to KGirl reviews where the KGirl and/or KAgency has a history of completely fake photos and/or the lady has a history of changing names to avoid bad reviews. If our goal is to provide quality information to one another, then let's do that.
(2) Every single ACS I’ve visited offers, always suggests, sometimes demands, a shower. “…in need of a quick release,” but not a shower, I guess.
(3) This is at the heart of what makes and ACS a “crapshoot.” Let’s be clear about one thing, though, at the time the first reviewer creates the profile, the ad MUST include the name of the girl. Other than that, the ad cannot be relied on for ANY info regarding the girls physical characteristics, including her age. I’m going to guess that 2/3 of my encounters have been ‘7’ or higher.
My ATF is an ACS girl who I gave a 5/8. As time goes by and my number of visits is surpassing 50 and my days at this are numbered, she may actually be a 10. A solid 10. Yeah, she’s stuffed over in MP — a crying shame, as I see it.
(4) LOL (about the name)
(5) This is where it should start raising questions in your mind about treating Mimi (as an exemplar) differently that the K-girl who wasn’t and the performance that stunk. Mimi’s profile should be tagged with a “Report New Website URL” and a near total rejection. The ad had her name when each of us who have created profiles for her did so. The ad HAD to have her name at that point. And she only has multiple profiles because even TER doesn’t recognize MP at the time a profile is being created.
(6) Then do the same for the K-girl profiles where the agency has switched the original girl out and guy don’t notice they’re writing reviews for a girl who’s long gone.
(7) I think that’s too complicated and I have trouble even beginning a list of how to work around the problems. Simpler is just to treat ACS girls just as you would a K-girl. After all, there really is no difference. I deleted it, but you say that you have become an educated consumer and that has reduced your risk being duped by K-agencies. I’ve done the same with ACS agencies. Over time, neither of us will be able to claim complete success. I’m sure you and I are not the only two who have studied the industry enough to be able to avoid the worst of it, though. But (lightbulb) here’s an idea:
Put users in the review screening loop to pre-process them *before* TER mods get their inexperienced had on them.
You citing an anecdotal example of your ACS girl’s review being moved to MP doesn’t really tell us anything concrete. It’s all conjecture. How do you know that Latina providers advertising just like the ACS’s aren’t treated the same?
More to the point though, you offer no solution that benefits the mongers relying on reviews for assistance. Are you suggesting that reviews be allowed with ad that don’t include names? If we went that route, any pimp with a burner phone could create a profile for “Sally”’s incall at the Motel 6.
IF ONLY! Hahaha. Getting them move back is difficult and it only work 50% of the time for no discernable reason. Why this one and not the other? They don't even bother answering. So I just remind myself to be happy moved a half of them.
I actually have a thread going, limping, on the DC board about the Latinas that seem to follow the ACS model. They don't even get reviewed to suffer the insult of being relegated to MP. LOL.
I have been offering a solution all along: TER should invite certain users to do pre-processing of reviews. You have to know that we'd do a better job of following TER's own guidelines for reviews. Read the Review FAQ sometime...they don't even do half that shit. We would because we care and, importantly, we have the time! Here's an elucidation from a while ago:
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What I am suggesting is that TER *invite* members based on criteria *TER* develops to do *PRE-screening* of reviews from *their locality.*
So, a few ideas, all open for rational debate. If more people were to take this seriously, this list would grow and the approach would be refined. Much of this is based on forum models that are well established, e.g., nationwide dating apps. I've said all of this before, it just keeps getting overlooked:
1. TER has the final say, just like today. Invited users only pre-screen reviews, and only local reviews. (Local-only is subject to being market-based. Some markets may not be large enough to support this.)
2. Peer-reviewers cannot reject or approve reviews, only send recommendations to TER with supporting info.
3. Reviews go into a queue for a local "peer-review." If no peer-reviewer processes the review within, say, 36 hrs, it gets bumped to the TER mods. (I chose 36-hrs to give each review a solid 24-hr window where for part of it reviewers are awake, available, and outside single-day holidays.)
4. Peer-reviewers would use the exact same criteria TER "says" it uses, but we're actually motivated to do so. Any additional criteria or screening guidelines would be at the approval of TER.
I don't think any of you doubt that at least *I* think this has great potential for improving reviews on TER. I'm convinced it would work if TER were to buy in.
This comment is pretty much a verbatim rehash of your discussion over at Suggestions & Policy. Why not provide a link for those interested?
I started that thread in GD. After only a few days it had over 1300 reads and 65 comments. TER moved it to S&P where, in a month, it has gotten only a handful of reads and exactly two comments. Case closed. LOL.
I'll tell you what, though, to those who claim I haven't been offering solutions, my second post to that thread was about further defining the general problem (the OP was kind of a special case), and offering a solution...the one you are familiar with.
I think the problem with S&P is nobody wants to look there. And when they do, they don't care enough to post parially because, and I guessing, they know nobody will see it.
I can tell you that at least for kgirls, they never get moved to mps. Even when their profiles have no current ad link and they're so far away gone that the only place you can find the link is on webarchive way back machine.
To be truthful, for the pseudo-acs houses here in the bay, that operate either from motels or Apts (we call them low level corgs), I ALSO have not seen any evidence of the reviews being moved. That does not mean this does not happen elsewhere tho.
I think luvmtiter, a reviewer who seems to frequent such places here, would agree with me that very few reviews of such establishments, if any, get moved to mp.
Maybe it's an east coast thing? Maybe some competition does this? It's def worth talking about and discussing though, imo.
Edit:most of these places here do put up some names, often random ones. So I guess that could be the difference. But often ads don't even say the names and they still stick around as profiles.
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Okay, THAT is seriously interesting about the corgs. I like "COrgs" a lot better that "ACS." By the reaction to my posts mentioning them, all the way back to the first one, I knew something was off. Then some of the auto-negativity posters actually said they'd never dealt with an ACS before. And now I think I'm learning that part of the problem seems to be the terminology. You figured out the model I was talking about pretty quickly, but never mentioned corgs, to my recollection. Hmm. I think I need to look at TER reviews for the Bay area.
Is it corgs, COrgs, C-Orgs, or what?
I personally don't care much about terminology, as long as everyone understands what is meant.
Corgs merely means Chinese organizations. The term lumps all non-storefront establishments usually. This includes places ran out of motels (low level corgs with usually milfs/gilfs) or ran out of private houses or 10-day korg-style apartment upsell central setup. These usually cost 120/160 (some at 140/180 now) with the upsell central having upcharges. Since this year, most places upcharge for itemized things. And there are expensive under the radar (kinda) orgs that specialize in eye candy cgirls, younger than kgirls but also weak service and conveyor belt establishment; overall worse value than kgirls.
Typically the low level Asian corg has girls working out of a motel, has little screening and employs gilfs. On the bright side, they often offer Greek, along with bbfs (obviously depends on how you look at bbfs) and because they can't have GPS as grannies they usually are there to please you. This is generally what I assume your definition of acs is, except the motel part. They post ads on classified sites (starting with adult) with explicit services mentioned, but they often have real faces published (still with ps).
Many times the link for the ad changes to a different ad and different named girl advertised, but such review still stays.
Yeah, I got what it stood for. It's a far better moniker than ACS. ACSs started out with one wheel in the ditch and I'd love to know who coined the term. Probably dead now. Offed by the ACS bosses lol. Corgs is far kinder.
You just described ACSs to a tee, almost exactly. Every article I've ever read about Chinese prostitution in the US has them based in Queens. I'd love to know if Corgs are also run out of Queens or a separate "corporate" structure with a WC city as its US base. Ultimately, from what I've gleaned, the top of the ACS orgs are all in China. Multiple ACS, very few Chinese bosses. Kind of like a franchise operation. If I say to much, I'll probably have a Chinese mafia hit out on me.
Not really. The OTHER escorts don't have the situation where the ad url is used for some other girl. The entire ad becomes unavailable from the url for the other escorts and if you attempt to access the url in the profile before it's changed to "Report New URL" you will get an HTTP 404 error -- page not found.
What is happening with your case, as is the case for other MP ads as well, is that the ad URL stays the same but the content changes. The ad is not a dedicated ad for a specific person but the ad the entity uses to advertise whoever they are advertising this day, week, hour....
I don't claim to know how TER actually does anything but checking to see if a specific web page exists or not is pretty straightforward so seriously doubt TER does such checks manually or just relies on problem reports. It is probably part of a QA automation job TER runs periodically on it's review DB.
In your case they may simply have a check on the ad URL. If a new review is submitted for a different provider than the one that is currently associated with that ad url, then by definition would make the entity a MP type operation so all profiles/reviews using the same url would be moved during a clean up job.
Jensen, you’ve been here a while. Do you know whether TER gives free VIP days for massage girl reviews? Seems to me that prior to FOSTA/SESTA there were no VIP days for MP and ACS reviews. Is that still the policy?
Not that I know of. Paragraph 7 of the guidelines has not been updated and still says MP reviews are not eligible for VIP days so would think that still holds.
I thought so. Gives this thread a different perspective.
What perspective does it give?
If the review originally posted as a regular review and then gets moved, I doubt you lose vip days.
Edit: my autocorrect just changed vip to cip. Uhhh.....
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You are correct, VIP are not taken back after the review was originally accepted in ER. This almost went off in a really unfortunate direction!
Rocket is correct, no VIP days deduction.
After all this, it's hard to believe that anybody doesn't just accept as fact that my only motivation is that I want to be able to find girls through the reviews and the is rendered much less effective by TERs review screening processes.
I joined TER for the reviews. That was my sole reason. And then to find that they fuck them up? I decided I'd try to get some changes. I PMed with TER about all the issues I've raised here...a lot. Finally I brought it to the boards. Yeah, that's working great. Sheesh.
As far as the process exists today, do you see any revisions outside your primary crusade that would improve the process?
C'mon, you can't tell me you're saying those things after reading what I wrote. I suggest reading each paragraph, focusing on the extensive discussions about ACS ads, in particular the inclusion and exclusion of names, what happens when an ad drops that girl's name after her profile and review(s) has been accepted, and all the other details on the matter. And you somehow have concluded I "ignored" the subject. You cannot have read the post.
After the second or third time I asked you to provide some actual evidence others could look at to confirm you claims and you refused I largely stopped paying attention to your generalized claims of problems that I am suppose to just take on faith are true because you say so.
I'll ignore you claims of superior knowledge but might be interested in actually testing one of your claims. Name your top one or two AMPs in Herndon. I may go check them out to see how they compare to where I've been.
It seems you don't like TER's requirement that reviews must have a web ad that identifies a specific person for whom the review is being written. Fine, take that to the Suggestions and Policy board where it belongs. Make your case for how changing that would improve TER and the member's experience in finding providers to see. If it's a good case, you get a lot of positive feedback from the membership and TER agrees the policy could be changed.
I don't see how that would be a better solution.
1) If anyone can submit a review without even providing an ad that is supposed to be the person reviewed TER will be flooded with fake reviews.
2) If the entity placing the ad doesn't have the conviction or commitment to promoting the specific person while they are here working I have to question the quality and commitment to customers of that entity. That is more about telling me who not to see not who to go see. Useful but it doesn't really accomplish the goal I think most are after (I don't say I'm after as if don't really rely on TER reviews that much these days).
3) If you are thinking of allowing a bunch of reviews for different people to all use the same generic ad URL I suspect you end up with a lot of providers with a limited number of reviews. (That seems to be what I saw when looking a while back.) A limited number of reviews get submitted before the URL changes and, after the ad is changed to a new girl/no name, further reviews can not be demonstrated to have been with the reviewed provider. Limited number of reviews is not what people trust so would actually just clutter up the review DB with low value entries that do little to reduce the risks guys here seek to avoid by looking at reviews. In other words that would degrade the quality of the review DB, not improve it.
Let me start by saying I'm glad to even have the opportunity to respond to a rational reply, much more so if I could clear some things up. Thanks. I’m going to answer it detail. I’m hoping you show me the same respect and address specific things I've said with which you take issue. You may even go back to my post to see if you can back up what you’re saying; I’m confident you’ll see you misread me...a lot:
But just like with the high-priced ones, WE catch it, report it, and get at least a “Report New Website URL” in place of the bad ad. Now, what if WE were doing pre-screening on ads. Would we just throw the baby out with the bath water, or would we do what was needed to alert TER to alert the reader about problems with the ad, “Report New…”
But point it important to what I’ve been saying: some don’t get further reviews because they were relegated to the dark dustbin of MP.
Important: I have never said the onus was entirely on TER for improving the review process, to wit the original post in the thread, this thread’s raison d'etre, it’s destiny, lol. *This* thread was created with a focus on getting users to accurately ID the girl they’re seeing *before* they write a review (as well as improve their experience by actually seeing the girl they went to see).
Can I ask you to respond, particularly in those cases where I took issue with your characterizations of things I said in my earlier post? You can tell I’m eager to have a reasoned and considered discussion. I actually came pretty close to deciding last night I would go back to addressing TER directly through PMs.
I will not do the justice you're asking but will provide some responses.
1) Re the whole S&P board as a place to kill threads. I disagree. I DO agree that it is not a high volume board. However, the two threads you mention were actually appropriate for that board. The VAST majority of the discussion and posts were more argument than policy discussion. The fact that the arguments didn't follow to the S&P board (which they should not have anyhow so that was good) is not any indication that TER intended to kill the discussion. One could just as reasonably conclude that lack of follow up on that board was a strong indication that there really was very little interest in the actual policy related discussion or suggestion as that the move was designed to quell discussion. It's not like all the participants were not aware of the move or don't have access. Not like it got moved to the reviews only board. (I believe I've already mentioned that board as another venue perhaps more suited to your efforts.)
As for the many reads of the Mya thread, I suspect much of that was due to the train-wreck nature of that thread and it's entertainment value/spectacle type attraction than real interest in either the policy about aliases or selecting Ms. TER.
Number of comments of it self in a policy thread doesn't really mean much. The goal is to present the idea to TER and try to make a good case they would agree with. In fact, large number of response to such posts are more likely to indicate lack of agreement within the TER membership than some form of support for such effort.
Strong case claim. I don't want to go hunting for it so how about just a quick Executive Summary/Cliff Notes version here.
Problem: ...
Solution: ...
Key points why solution solves problem: ....
Try to keep the problem and solution statement to one or two simple sentences.
Try to limit the key points to 5 or 6 bullets if possible.
No need for fancy prose, just short, sweet to the point.
So far the only thing I've seen offered is that members should be involved in the review vetting process some how. Hopefully you have something more substantial than that because I don't think that will actually do anything to improve the quality of reviews. But even that idea requires a lot more detail than some "we can help" before it's a plan that can be assessed much less implemented.
The other point to consider here is what is the work effort to do this improved process compared against how many reviews will be corrected. Keep in mind, whoever submitted the review might be expect to check on the status and where it ended up. In this regard I think it would be good if MP reviews did not use the same form as the escort reviews -- at least change some header text so the two are clearly different. Finding MP reviews should be very simple. Run a validation script that will grab the ad URL and do a text search for the name. Not found review goes to the MP bucket for any further approval processing. I don't think too many false positives get generated on that so seems like any solution needs to be very low effort. Which having reviewers take "ownership" of their review accomplishes without needing any other changes or anyone else doing anything.
However, lets see your problem statement, solution proposed and key points of your strong case.
Reviews are about as good as they ever were on TER quality/reliability is not why I don't pay much attention any longer. I just don't need them to find what I want. I understand how the agencies I use work and how to look at the ads they run. I have also learned that all reviews are not equal. Different people have different tastes and desires and what really makes a great session for one person can be a very mediocre session for someone else. That means knowing the reviewer and what they like/don't like from the reviews is more important than just the review. As I also have some PM and off TER communications with other guys the generic set of reviews from unknown reviews is not a high value to me. That is not really something that you could fix no mater what solution you're proposing.
That's why I said I don't need to worry about them and why I said a few reviews are not of that much value to anyone. The obvious exception being when the reader knows the other person's reviews and has seen some of the same women and is in agreement.
Regarding the some don't get more reviews because the review they got is an MP review, I don't see that as a problem TER or the community here needs or wants to solve to the entity (whatever form it might be) behind the girl. We want more transparency in the ad, not the opaque today we have Lisa, the next day it's Peaches, then comes Svetlana the following day and after her we have Yumi. Why not expect them to step up to meet TER's ad requirements for reviews and have a dedicated ad for the providers working there. And if the providers or the entity don't want to do that then fine. I don't think that is bad or our loss here as those are the very cases you are calling Crap Shoot services. When they want to stop being -- or functioning like one -- crap shoots we can welcome them to the club.
That's about all the effort I will put in to repeat what I've already said several times before.
They didn't read it or most of what you've posted throughout this thread, I suspect. They stopped engaging in good faith a long time ago. Their modus operandi now is to repeat the same flawed arguments over and over until you grow tired of responding.
allcomers that OTHERS are repeating "the same flawed arguments over and over . . . .?"
I doubt it but it seems he seems to think the observation has merit so is hoping to turn it back on those who made it originally even though the source of the repetition is not the target of his accusation.
The source of the repetition is the target of my accusation...
Yeah, no curiosity, just irrational clinging to what they think they know. I don't even think some of themcan see their arguments are fatally flawed, compounding their intransigence and total focus on putting personalities before issues. It's willful ignorance, and I won't likely change that. It's not dissimilar to the politics-motivated anti-vaxers, you won't ever get them on board. And like the anti-vaxers, they're putting themselves at harm! The virus killing its host. lol.
How did we go from ACSs, the subject of this thread, to AMPs? With ACSs, we're talking full-on "escort" services. They are run out of condos, apartments, and hotels. Not a parlor or other "business address" in sight. AMPs have a store front, massage tables, etc. Yes, there are lots of independent masseuses who work out of their residences, but they aren't AMPs either.
Yes, you could rightfully have two profiles pointing to the same ad posted by an ACS. However, that ad *must* list both girls names within it for TER to accept the review. Sometimes the only place you can find the name(s) is within an annotated picture. So be it. The name is there. TER allows this, but you have to tell them ten times to open the f'ing ad and look at the picture(s).
Please, just once, tell me something I don't know. Or, take the info I'm providing and make good use of it and maybe even learn something. I'm glad you took the time to read my post, but...
Its when you put this in your OP . . . . .
"Further, if the guy in our example had asked the girl's name at the door, he could have asked to wait until Yummy, in the next bedroom with her legs in the air, was available. By my experience, unless she has a customer waiting, she's not even going to ask you to go back to your car. Instead, you'll wait with her in her room."
This sounds like the kind of experience you get a massage parlor. I've been visiting agencies for 13 years (starting with massage parlors at the rate of three or four a week for the first six months before I graduated to full service escorts) and seen over a thousand unique ladies, and I have never heard of "waiting in the room of a girl who is NOT busy to see the girl in the other room." Do you slip into the closet if she gets a customer, or what? Don't these places you go to work by confirmed appointments, booked in advance? Why should you have to wait at all for a girl you booked with? If you're getting baited and switched at the door, then why are you even patronizing this place? What if the girl you wanted to see is booked solid for several hours? Do you still keep the girl in other room from working, or do you shake hands with the guy coming into see her as you're being sent back to your car? What if Yummy is only 10 minutes into a one-hour session? Are you going to sit there waiting for nearly on hour for "YOUR TURN?" These questions are what makes it appear you were talking about a Chinese massage operation (AMP) that also offers full service because they seem to be the antithesis of a well-run agency escort service. I have never heard of this kind of operation before in all my years reading this board. So my responses were based on the assumption that you HAD to be talking about a massage operation. Since your description was they were an "Asian Crapshoot Service", I thought you were being sarcastic in denigrating a typical Chinese massage place.
I'm sorry that I was not able to tell you something you don't know. Its good to know we have a guy here that has such a wealth of knowledge after 15 reviews. I have 346 reviews, but I doubt there is anything I could tell you. Maybe if you move upmarket a little to Kgirls, who work by confirmed appointments and you never have to wait while she fucks someone else in the next room, I will be able to give you some help someday. I thought I had seen and done it all when it comes to agencies, but if what you say is accurate, you have informed me of a service I didn't know existed, and would probably never use because of the lack of respect for the customer that you have described. I wonder why none of the other guys from your area have never brought up this kind of operation before? We have some Chinese escort agencies in the suburbs of LA, mostly in the San Gabriel Valley, and they get busted a lot, which is why I seldom go there anymore, even though they are run more like Kgirl apartment incalls.
Maybe these types of agencies are an East Coast thing. They don’t have their own websites. It’s just a phone number attached to an ad.
I’m going to take allcomers word that he’s an experienced monger when it comes to these Asian Crap Shoots. Only 15 reviews, but keep in mind that he’s probably had a good number of visits that couldn’t pass the TER Review process. Maybe he could be the forum’s expert in this niche market.
these are the AAMP setups that advertise on bedpage and similar sites. Calling them agencies I think is a bit of a stretch for as most of the Agencies here seem to have their own websites for advertising which ladies are currently working in their places.
He's not really talking about the real agencies that have name recognition. Some of who he is focused on are working out of hotels, at least some of the time based on his reviews.
But I agree with CDL. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck until someone comes up with a really good reason not to call it a duck that label makes the most sense. In this specific setting just because they don't operate out of a commercial building doesn't seem to be a good distinction.
AMPs typically honor appointments. There is no such thing with an ACS. Additionally, if you ask for a particular girl at an AMP, you're likely to get her or have the MMS at least acknowledge that she's not available. I consider ACS' to be agencies not in the sense of scheduling/advertising, but because they usually have multiple locations operating under the same number/booker. They also guarantee FS, like agencies, and unlike AMPs (even the ones that are known for FS).
Cripes, I was wondering when you were going to acknowledge fully that you know and have experience with ACSs. I could have used the support in getting the point across. LOL! You and I even tried privately to sort out a review that looked whacked for a girl we both saw and liked. We decided it was either a fake review or they had a second girl at the same location and the reviewer got confused. I should add for the sake of others, it's a profile that I started.
Also, when I use the word 'agency' in a post or review related to ACSs, I try always to put it in quotes. They sure enough are agencies, loosely interpreted, but not the way most of these guys have experienced.
My next thread is going to ask "Do you know what an ACS is?" I'm curious how many cities they service. I only know for certain they're in NYC (in a big big way) and DC. It doesn't seem they're on the West Coast. It could be a territorial thing, like the Cosa Nostra East/West Coast back in the day. I'm getting the idea it's so. They're definitely their own breed and highly organized. Now I'm wondering if it's a much more localized phenomenon than I until recently realized.
As for timeliness of "appointments," when, as a repeat customer to an ACS, I ask when she'll be ready, I actually do get a straight answer. On the first visit, though, you can ask all you want, what you get in return is some version of "text when you there" or "you come now." I've only had to wait in the parking lot a couple of times, but it is very common with ACSs that you will. One time with a regular, after wafting about a half hour, I called an ACS I knew was set up in another hotel in the same parking lot. That turned out to be one of the most memorable, raw, experiences I've had...nasty!
Oi. You cracked the door and I can see some light. Thanks. Yes, it's becoming obvious now that much of the confusion is because West Coast guys are trying to relate their experiences to something that is actually new to them. We've been talking past each other. Another guy, who has been a complete pain in the ass, unwittingly posted a nugget of truth: "...if what you say is accurate, you have informed me of a service I didn't know existed..." Okay then, why not try to understand it or just say, "nah, this is a topic of no interest to me, doesn't affect me, I have no opinion about it."
And to your giving me the benefit of the doubt, I thank you, but why wouldn't you? That's the light shining through I was referring to. When the other guy says "if what you say is accurate," why would I be going too all this trouble about a fictitious business arrangement for Chinese providers? That just doesn't make sense. It would never be the first thing that occurred to me to think that somebody was concocting some elaborate lie for absolutely no apparent gain.
BTW, ACSs are run out of the East Coast, but I had no idea it wasn't nationwide. That never even occurred to me until your post.
Well, last time I was in San Fran, the only agencies in the city proper were ACS.
And I was also shuttled from one room to another, and one woman to the other, while another guy came in. He was an older gent, handlebar mustache, wearing a beret - an interesting look!
So I can only assume the complete pain in the ass you mentioned is Certainly-Dinky-Length. That refers to both the length of his cock and the space in his mind for thoughts!
I agree, it's ludicrous to think that ACS' don't exist on the WC. Just because you haven't been to one, doesn't mean that they're not there lol. As far as the "pain in the ass" is concerned, I thought comers was referring to Yansen!
We had ACS/massage parlors all over Southern California. I went to my first one in 1984 in North County San Diego. They were all over San Diego, Temecula, Riverside, San Bernardino, Ontario and Palm Springs. Some were in strip malls, some in hotels, and some in apartments/condos. I quit them by the early 90s because the women were almost always older (50 and up) and eventually I found escorts on the internet. Even now I see ACS ads on escort sites in California, Nevada and Florida.
in SoCal as well, but it wasn't until 2007. They were always in strip centers or an older house on a street that was zoned commercial AND residential. I found the ladies to be too old as well, and then I went to indie escorts for awhile before a friend pointed me to the Kgirl scene.
I agree, it's ludicrous to think that ACS' don't exist on the WC. Just because you haven't been to one, doesn't mean that they're not there lol. As far as the "pain in the ass" is concerned, I thought comers was referring to Yansen!
I had to pull a patented Certainly-Dinky-Length move and read while not logged in...And the quote that irked Allcomers was written by none other than Dinky.
C'mon, it was pretty obvious!
While I think you have some points the entire tone and constant harping on your idea makes me largely tune you out. If you have to keep repeating that something is so great for others it doesn't take too long before it sounds like one of those late night ad which is selling a crappy product while trying to sell it as some high quality item.
As for the problems you have been going on about for a few weeks now, I suspect most here (this board) just don't have those problems; I certainly don't. So I do agree with you that your campaign really should not have been moved to this board.
Two things you might consider.
1) If you have an issue with TER there is a Suggestions and Policy board for such discussion. If you don't get good support there don't drag it back out into the General Board repeatedly. Since a lot of what you are advocating is in fact changes to how TER is functioning, that would be the appropriate place. Doesn't mean TER will listen but at least you'll have your say. If the community (or a good number of its members) doesn't get behind you then just give it a rest. We really don't need a messiah or a John the Baptist crying in the wilderness.
2) If what you said about getting PMs and helping people improve their experience and the feed back has been "Wow, this is great. Helped a lot." why not write up a FAQ about how to do this and post it to the Newbie board. It's possible that TER will even pin it to the top or integrated into The TER Instruction Manual. Then we all would have a nice simple solution that we can refer to those struggling with these problem. An you can get all the credit as your FAQ post will have your alias attached for perpetuity.
Hopefully this will come across as, and you will take it as, constructive feedback rather than a lengthy "Will you just shut the fuck up!" post. The intent is the first, not the latter. But you are starting to detract from the enjoyment of this site for me so I just start tuning you out (or at least try to rather than be bothered by it).
I like how Jensen always speaks for the community and especially how an amount of members to get behind an idea or you have to give it a rest. I mean he isn't a mod, admin or anything but he is a very important member on here.
Hey allcomers, this site is clearly for jensens enjoyment - so even though you didn't ask what he thinks of your opinion, now you know. Be very wary of him tuning you out - you'll wear the Scarlet Letter of TER if that happens.
He - along with others - have been saying hows he tuning me out for over a year at this point and yet still replies to my posts.
My advice to you, jokes aside - keep doing your thing and fight your fight. Don't give in to peer pressure of people who claim they represent the community.
How can you say that when you aren't even paying attention? Oh, yeah, that's the only way you could say that. This thread is user-centric. Is there is a one-sentence TER dig? Sure, I couldn't help myself. But the initial post provides tips to users who were disappointed they didn't get the service they expected base on the review they read, only later to find that they didn't see the girl whose review interested them. They can pretty much prevent it from ever happening again. Or, if someone sees this first, they never have to have that disappointment.
How do I know this happens? By direct contact with those individuals. Sometimes I reached out, others sought me out. It led me to assume, correctly I suspect, that it happens a lot more than need be and some would appreciate the insight. I've even gotten PMs in response to reviews: "What an ACS?" And I'm happy to explain.
The newbie board is a good suggestion. Sorry to see you go. Maybe you want to put in a problem report and get it moved before you leave.
Good bye, if this is it. Get the door on your way out, wouldja.
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While I appreciate your insight, my experience is that your advice only works if you've seen the girl before. If you only know her name, you're going to get who's available.
No. The post is about getting to see the girl in the review you read. It's based on a lot of experience. If you want to see her, ask for her before you even go. If you want to double check when you get there, ask the name of the girl who answers the door. You don't have to have seen her before, she will tell you her name. ACSs are totally unreliable regarding the pictures they post, and totally reliable -- in my dozens of experiences with them -- regarding the services offered and in the communications leading up to the visit. Well, as long as you don't ask if she's pretty or young or anything else about her physically. If you've been burned by an ACS, I mean actually burned, not terribly disappointed by the age/looks of the girl, then you are 1/1000. Go play a 4-digit numbers game...right away if it happens again. Otherwise, I stand by the content of the thread starter.
Yes. That's what I do. I ask for her by name before I get there and before I enter the apartment. Still has yet to work for me.
I don't understand. What is it that doesn't work? Could you give me an example, made up or actual, of what happens?
After seeing a review for an "Amanda" at an ACS, I text them asking if she's available. Of course they say "Yes". They give me the address and when I arrive, I state that I'm there and reiterate that I would like to see Amanda. They say, "Of course," and when I open the door, someone who doesn't match the description of the girl in the reviews answers the door. I ask her what her name is, she says, "Mimi".
Allcomers’ advice increases the chance you’ll get to see the girl in the review, but it certainly doesn’t guarantee it.
If you’re asking to see an ACS girl based on a review you’ve read, you better be asking to see her within days of the review being posted. If not, there’s a strong chance she’s already moved on from your city, never to return, and you’ll end up seeing whoever was shipped in to replace her.
Pro-tip: If you’ve read a review of “Amanda” and want to see her, don’t call and ask for Amanda. Call and ask what girls are available. Then you’ll know whether there’s even a chance of seeing her.
"Pro tip," indeed! That should work. I have asked for a particular girl, been told "no more," and then been sent an HONEST picture of the girl that replaced her. I have also had the experience where, without prompting, I was sent two honest pictures, their names, and ages (which, after seeing the girls, I can say were at least in the ballpark).
One of the girls is my ATF (singular) and I was disappointed that they only showed her with her head turned. After eight or nine visits with her, I had no problem knowing it was her, but they obviously, or so I assume, think she isn't pretty enough to show her face. That hurt, lol. She's still my ATF.
Okay, I get it now. It did actually work in that, when you asked her name at the door, you were able to learn she was not the girl you wanted to see.
What didn't work was the communications prior to the visit. Sorry to hear that and fuck them giving ACSs a worse reputation than they already have -- much of it undeserved, I'd like to add. After dozens of visits, that's only happened to me once and it's not clear it wasn't an honest mistake.
As an aside, was it in C'ville and was it really Mimi? If it was, I hope you went in. She is my ATF. Not "one of," but my actual ATF.
ACS ads are crazy, and crazy fun. This one caught my eye and made me cry...laughing. And it's an ACS I use...god love 'em. Be careful, though, it may just cause you to try starting a go*fund*me page for the poor thing:
"I am 'Mio' a young Korean girl from Seoul .My photos are 100% real and recent. I don't have a rich family, my parents both left me when I was very young, I grew up starving sometimes until I have a chance coming to US months ago. Now I get donations by offering No restrictions GFE companionship and Nuru Massage service. Your generosity is appreciated while giving me a chance to get to know you and prove I am your best asian doll choice." [sic]
Now doesn't that just make you want to charity-fuck her?! Go do a good deed. LOL. Can you see it now why we love ACSs?!
(Ads aren't allowed, so please don't ask me for a link...I'm in enough trouble with TER already)