Bros, just had a totally subpar session and I was about to write a really bad review but I just wanted to get your wise thoughts first. What do you do when a girl does not resemble the pics or description on the agency site AT ALL, and you simply don’t find her attractive body wise and there is no chemistry? When the booker followed up with me after as they usually do to ask how it went, I said fine, etc., these people have my information and I don’t want to rock the boat or upset anyone.  

So, I’ve never been in quite that position. Plus, I’m always open with bookers about how things went down.  

When they contact you after a session they are looking for Honest feedback - after all, they are not in the room observing (or at least,one hopes not, lol.)   The booker is running a business with a reputation to uphold, the lady is a temporary independent contractor, & the booker wants to know whether or not to recommend her, and how long she should stay.  Top performing ladies stay as long as they want, sub-par ones get moved on quickly.

if you wanted to provide useful feedback outside a review. I would not go into great detail for them but noting that you were disappointed with the session is a good start. If they want more details they will ask. Just be neutral and "professional" in your answers -- not accusatory or insulting to anyone.

I don't want to hurt her income as this is her livelihood (the provider), and she was a sweet girl, not a bitch. I will not leave a review for those reasons.  

When booker reached out to you, that's your recourse.  The org wants quality gentleman mongers such as yourself to keep the dance card full as new talent arrives on the scene.  You gotta be honest with the booker.  Then ask booker if they want you to write your honest review or not.  Rocketbro will disagree and say something to the effect of bros before...

The more detail you can give about the substandard session, the more valuable your comments are to the booker.  I don't have to do this often, but when I do, I will often follow up in the same conversation by reminding them of the girls who are "my type/preference" by naming some well known girls (5-6) they have booked for.  Then I will say if they get new girls that are like any of the ones I just named, they are free to send me a text and I will book immediately.  Likewise, if I have asked about a girl that is not like the ones I have named, then it would be appreciated if they would waive me off and tell me she is not my type, and that I probably won't like her, and then offer me an alternative.  If we can work together to improve my level of satisfaction with the girls I'm seeing, then it will result in me doing more business with them.  They are surprisingly open-minded to working with higher volume mongers like this.  I just explain that when they recommend a girl that is the opposite of the type I normally seek out, it hurts their cred on the next girl they recommend.  Its just the way it is. I want them to know that in exchange for the level of business I give them, they have my back on making sure I'm seeing the kinds of girls I like.

I think that telling the booker is the FIRST thing you should do. The booker isn't going to get mad if you tell him/her, quite the contrary, the booker of any agency that you want to keep going to should welcome the direct feedback without having to wait until the bad reviews start piling up.

Since all bad reviews hurt income of working girls, they shouldn't be written at all as long as the girl is "sweet" ? Doesn't this follow from your logic?

I will say this might only work for when the booker directly asks your input. I've never been asked for any input from any booker,for example.  

Well it's too late now, it's been 24 hours. Anyways, I'm honestly more pissed off at the previous reviewers than the agency.
 
If a girl looks NOTHING AT ALL LIKE THE PHOTOS, don't you think you owe it to your fellow bros on here to note that in your half-assed two sentence reviews?!!?!?

I do NOT patronize agencies with such a low regard for their customers. ALL of the K-Girl agencies I utilize text me after each session to make sure things went well. The last girl who gave me a non GFE session was gone a couple of days after I gave bad feedback to the booker about her. I can only assume I wasn't the only customer to complain and the agency quite appropriately took her off the roster.

I get that you don't want to be an ass about things and that's fine. However, providing the feedback to the booker allows you to get information back to the lady, possibly in a more welcomed way than otherwise. That gives both a chance to decide if some corrective action to realign expectations exist or performance can be improved to make up for looks or if it's just not going to work for anyone.

In this case, I don't consider a booker not asking for feedback as treating me bad. I know the feedback on a review site or an active message board will be read by org, booker, org lackey or even the provider herself.  

Exactly That last part is what I'm so fucking zealous about. It's all good tho. How new were you to this agency? Are you a regular?  What was your previous experience with their other girls before?

"I don't want to hurt her income as this is her livelihood (the provider), and she was a sweet girl, not a bitch."  It seems the reviewers you are whining about merely follow your own philosophy.

I'm personally afraid of being blacklisted. Why would an org care about their reputation/quality of service when the demand for their services is so still so astronomically high. In the NE, I have yet to hear of VIP status or the booker doing more than confirming your appointment, much less recommending girls. They'll just take someone off of the waitlist after booting your ass. I only feel comfortable voicing my experiences through reviews and message boards here.

While in general I agree, I'd add that no review is a lot more honest than a generic positive review that does not mention some of the most important info and makes her appear better than she is. But that's just my opinion.

I once set up a meeting with a hot looking blond with a known Russian booker. When I got to the apartment the lady who opened the door for me was a REALLY hot brunette. I asked her about the lady whom i was suppose to meet. She answered that " she is not here now and I will take care of you" . I apologized and left  . Even though that lady was hot as fuck but wasn't the girl that I went to see. So,  I just wouldn't allow a switch no matter what. The booker called me immediately and begged me to go and see the brunette lady and told me that how good she was. I didn't go for it. This thought the booker a lesson not to do that with me ever again. Afterwards, she would text me pictures of her girls without photoshop or professionally done photos just so that I know exactly who I am going to see.
Bottom line, if the person in the room isn't who you went to see, then just leave.

NoVA is a completely different beast as you only have about 6-8 girls working across the various agencies at any given time. Not to mention that some agencies may take a year or more to get into.

& I primarily hobby in DMV.

Apparently there are people who claim, always through hearsay from “someone I trust”,  to have done nothing more than just politely walk while also politely notifying the booker that there was some mistake and that the girl behind the magic door was not who they had been led to believe.

And trust me, there is VIP status & bookers will do much more than confirming your appointment.  In my experience, that VIP status somehow magically extends when you travel outside of your home area ...

Yet somehow, I doubt it

Fortunately, there are shots for it.

Funny, because I could've sworn it was you who said that if you do walk habitually -- let's say three+ times in the row -- that you very well might be blacklisted.

What am I supposed to get, Mr. LayLow?

I'm still not sure what I'm supposed to get.

As others have mentioned, if the booker reaches out to you, there's no reason not to be honest.

You are Clueless, and perhaps should just Shut The Fuck Up & Stop incessantly posting, I suspect most here would be grateful ...

I'm replying to a thread that talks about mythology of blacklist. The post by useyrhead says that the idea of mongers being blacklisted for walking is all a myth.

Wrong. I am not bullshitting anyone with a milquetoast, detail-less, or misleading review. I am just not reviewing her period. There is a big difference and I hope you can understand that. Go into my profile and read every single one of my reviews. They are extremely detailed and honest. Because I understand that in this world, and on this site, you get what you give. We are somewhat of a brotherhood here especially in kgirl land and I won't mislead anyone but I also have respect for these girls it is their job.

Could you elaborate on what VIP status and a good relationship with the booker entails? As to demand, I view it as something that's fixed. There's always going to be people wanting to visit agencies regardless of the service. Most mongers aren't on the review boards anyway.

Obviously, it's only one side of the story, but I did hear about a monger who visited the same agency as OP, was honest about his negative experience (who knows what language he used though) and was subsequently blacklisted. I had a similar experience as you, where I was greeted by a different girl than the one I had requested twice in a row (two consecutive visits). When I asked the booker about it, I was given a non-answer, but thankfully wasn't blacklisted.

To quote YOUR OWN WORDS above: "If a girl looks NOTHING AT ALL LIKE THE PHOTOS, don't you think you owe it to your fellow bros on here to note that...?

You no that is not what I said, nor is it what I meant which means you are being intellectually dishonest and unlike the rest of the crowd here I am NOT going to debate someone who intentionally misquotes  or otherwise tries to twist what I said into something completely different.  

Is absolutely the key here.

Yes, currently the availability of K-Girls here is greatly limited to what it was a few years ago. Yes, the K-Agencies can be tough to get into. But I have had the same experience as GaG suggests previously when I was a bit more active than now and vetting at more agencies. I see the same today -- I do get bookers asking if the sessions was good and I have not gotten any flack if I mention something was not working for me (though that is not often).

before wondering what being an Asian Agency VIP entails, but once a booker considers you one, it will be immediately clear.  Along the way always be polite, courteous, & respectful to the booker & the lady, and when you show up have impeccable hygiene.  NEVER decline the mutual shower.  When you're relatively new, the booker has the ladies rate you, much like we rate  them.

I did not intentionally misquote you - that is NEVER my intention,and yes, I would consider intentionally misquoting  to be intellectually dishonest as well. You should know by now I have a certain level of respect for you, so I would never do that to you. Or anyone else, for that matter. But, there is a reason I contacted you out of all people on here. And that is respect I have for you.  

Weird, because these Asian companies and POs sure like to make mongers admit THEIR guilt. There's a word for that, I believe.  

It's not that serious, my guy. Seems like a honest misunderstanding to me.

He is just EXTREMELY frustrating to talk to sometimes.

If you get VIP status, it will mean they will be less likely to fuck you over, as opposed to when you're just a newbie monger. They will care more about your business and you probably won't be recommended the bottom of the barrel girls anymore. You may be treated more as an actual service customer than just a poor john.  

If I have patronized an agency long enough to get this so called VIP status it means they have treated me well enough long enough for me to NOT have to walk out of any sessions, or have had to complain to the booker multiple times about bad service.

To me, it really depends on what treated like shit means and what it entails. To many, being misled about appearance is awful, to me it's bad but I'm there for service. If I felt like all kgirl agencies had shit service, I would go for something else, yes. But I do feel my brothers pain when they get shown something else completely.  

but your last paragraph does prove you actually read what I had to say.

Again, I'm happy that it worked this way for you. But it doesn't work that way for many. Happy families are all alike, every unhappy familiy is unhappy in their own way.  

That’s the reason I think the whole VIP monger moniker is misleading.  

CDL's bit about paying one's dues by seeing the lower tier girls rather than the top tier girls was not quite what seems to be the claim. His point was newbies that were working hard to get into the K-agencies should not make their request for the number one girl at the agencies and expect and easy entry. However, if they ask to see the less popular, second tier girls they will find that they do pass screening more easily and can then prove they are not assholes so get appointments with the top girls much more easily.

Yes, but I believe it wasnt about first appointment - - first appointment, I agreed with him. It was about going with what booker recommends until you "graduate" or climb the proverbial ladder.  

YOU might be willing to put up with a certain amount of bullshit, but I am not.

Jensen, that is both my understanding and my experience as well.  

It seems to not apply to other people, too. Does anyone know for sure who it actually *does* apply to? Other than somebody’s idea of an inexperienced k-monger?

I recently wrote a review, and OP was part of that discussion, on Cutely; now you know how I feel.

Yup. Nobody except the monger, the girl and the booker know the real story. That is how it usually works.

Deserves every bad appointment he gets from that point on.

Err, I never claimed you are afraid to walk... I also never claimed that you kept "your feedback to the PO" and "bitching to the PO often enough", I'm afraid you're on the side of misinterpreting things now my dude.

Sorry, I'm here to stay and discuss relevant issues about kgirls and business of kgirls. I believe I haven't violated a single rule of this board.

Do you write a public review after such bad experience ? Generally, I feel like if you write a review soon about such experience after talking with a booker, they might connect the dots together.

I would just add that, as Panther mentioned, even the monger may not know why they were BL'd. Look no further than Sunny's recent experience, for example. And in NoVA, the agencies still ask for PII even with references, so just getting a new number wouldn't cut it. I've heard stories of people getting in solely with references, but those instances seem to be uncommon.

There’s no real recourse. We take the hit.  

but prefer more succinct, relevant & informed posts.

A succinct post such as one where I speak for others and not just for myself, as well as telling another poster to get voted off the island and leave ? Or a one liner where I say "one day youll get it [member name here]" ?

I  must say, Rocket, that you have a gift for not letting facts impede a good argument.  That's where the "informed" point kicks in.  Lol

You are welcome to cite any "facts" brought up by JustSttayingLow here.  

my prior posts on this subject ACCURATELY and succinctly.  

The first appointment you never make with a top girl. However, you don't have to listen to the booker's recommendation, which is always the least busy girl.

I was thinking about other situations that might be equivalent. One might be moving to a new location or traveling and going to one of the top/hot restaurants or bars. The regulars that have been going there will generally get better seating (regardless of the place taking reservations or not). If you show up and start demanding the best spot in the house you're both unlikely to get it. Moreover, you've likely set expectations with the management and staff that you're a PITA customer so will likely not get the best service and certainly not the best table or corner with the view.

Great comparison.

I'll pose the same question I posed to CDL using your analogy, if I may.

It looks like your questions have been pretty thoroughly answered, Sunny. Or have we missed something?

Agreed, UYH, a new topic would be nice because this one totally exploded on itself!!

It gets awfully quiet.

Though, obviously, I can’t speak for those who don’t want to make things easier on other mongers.

on full display for all to laugh at.  You make false assumptions when you say the booker rec will always be the "least busy girl."  The least busy girl can vary from day to day, and will not always be the same girl.  In addition, booker rec's will often consist of newly-arrived girls.  These girls may be superstars in their home city, but are unknown at the new org.  Some of the girls who went on to be LA legends, like Megan, I first saw as a booker recommendation.   So your assumption that all booker recommendations turn out to be disappointing is only in YOUR OWN experience, not universally across the board. That's why  basing your whole anti-org campaign on a false narrative is  reckless and has damaged your cred with a lot of veterans here that know better than you how these things work, and that risks and rewards are often related.  

I did not assume that all new booker recommendations will be disappointing.  

you have successfully gotten into the subject org rather than wait six or either weeks to get a response from the booker.  So what you do next is ask for one of the better girls that you can select by reading their reviews, IF you have VIP.  You're already in, so its downhill after that first one.  

Right, even if she was a fat mess and looked like nothing the pic and in any other situation you would've walked, your advice is to suck it up in order to get to the top tier and get perks. I got your sentiment, thanks again for answering.

get approved to be on the customer list so you can see any girl on the roster in the future. If you don't think its worth it, then go ahead and keep texting and getting ghosted for eight weeks or longer.  In your area, its only $220-250, I believe, and I don't know about you, but I have yet to meet a Kgirl that could not make me cum.  You're making yourself look cheap and its eroding the image you created that you are a risk-taker when the situation calls for it.  Trying to get approved at a new org is one of those situations.  Don't hold the pennies so close to your eyes that  you can't see the dollars.

This is more about the principle. We talked about how walking away is discouraged and how a newbie might be scared to do so. Has nothing to do with being cheap.  

Gotta know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em.