Yet K-mongers bitch and moan about price increases today when the prices haven't changed very much (until recently) in THIRTEEN YEARS.

Guess what? If the price of that hot dog changes now, people are going to be upset. Never mind that it was the same price for 35 years.

Have you ever heard of a "loss leader?"  Costco loses money on their hot dogs.  They also lose $30 to $40 million a year on their $4.99 chickens.  The low prices on the hot dogs and chickens are used to get the customers in the store.

Whether or not they're losing money is irrelevant.

Costco prices are always low since they don't make money on items that they sell.  They make over 3 billion  dollars yearly on their  membership fees. The cost of chickens and hot dogs may go up but it doesn't matter. They make up for it with the increases in their fees. To compare sex workers fees to the prices in Costco is like comparing life style in the U.S. to Haiti. Just plain stupid.

What you're saying about hot dogs is equally applicable to K-Girls.  K-mongers are used to the stable prices and they will not like the prices going up.  What you're saying is that K-mongers don't care that the rent on K-girls' apartments have increased probably 50% since 2008.  They still want to pay $250.

Well let's talk about fees.  

I think youre mishearing - I'm saying ALL consumers and buyers dont like sudden spikes in prices, no matter how justified they are. Be it hot dogs, be it tuition or rent control suddenly disappearing. Whereas consumer is far more likely to be OK with gradual price change.  

$250 was a quite of leap from $150 AMP pricing when apartment incall business model was introduced in mid 2000s.  Therefore $250 stayed for a long time.  Now with inflation/North Koreans coming with BBBF/covid/less competition from white girls caused prices to spike to $280-340 no BBBF or $300-$380 with BBBF.  

No consumer likes sudden spikes, but I think it's willfully ignorant of mongers to expect prices to remain artificially low compared to the rest of the country. Yes, market conditions differ based on location, but how long did they think agencies would hold back price increases knowing that the majority of mongers would pay them? Is there any actual anecdotal evidence that it's become easier to book girls due to decreased demand?

You say "...rent control suddenly disappearing."  FYI, rent control in California only applies to apartment buildings built BEFORE 2005.  I seriously doubt any K-girls live in apt. bldgs. built before 2005 so their apartments are not rent-controlled.  And even if they do live in older buildings, their rent would have been subject to annual cost of living increases of 3 or 4% over the last thirteen years.  That would amount to at least a 40% increase over a period of thirteen years, assuming the orgs kept the same apts. through the years (which of course they didn't).  

Um, the loving rent control part of my argument was meant to illustrare a sudden spike. It had nothing to do with kgirls.

And it DOES have something to do with K-girls.  Agencies have to rent apartments and they are paying a lot more than they did thirteen years ago.  How are they able to do that if K-girl rates haven't increased?

You see KMongers discussing pricing here because this is a forum dedicated to KGirls. Spend some time over at the General Forum and you’ll find plenty of complaints about pricing in general.

I brought sudden ending of rent control as an example of a price spike people won't like.

May I ask, who is responsible for prices being "artificially low" throughout the years and hence setting certain expectations? Pretty sure it's not the mongers/buyers.

I think the issue of responsibility is irrelevant to my point because how can an economic "expectation" continue to be valid 10+ years after its inception when every other good has risen in price?

Huh? I just told you that expectations are a byproduct of historical data. If a hotdog cost 1.50 when you were born, and is still 1.50 right now, the expectation, however irrational it is in terms of economics, is that it will remain 1.50. And if price ever jumps people will be unhappy. Whereas since Costco fees have been rising up every five years by five dollars, that rise is both expected and taken in stride. The responsibility is on seller to set expectations. If you think "we do what we want, and you take it as it is and do  what you can" is a valid two-way business partnership, Idk what to tell you. There's a reason why there are things such as rent control, to prevent spikes in prices.  

...you also seem to be equating getting this basic human need fulfilled ONLY through this "hobby."  If you want to satisfy your basic human need without paying, get yourself some game, go to a club and pick up a civvie.  Then you won't have to worry about the "spike" in price.

I am not equating that at all. And I don't see what it has anything to do with spike in prices, tbh. Just because it may be possible to get a $1.50 meal elsewhere, will not make people any happier about their 1.50 hot dogs spiking in price. Our whole convo is and was in the context of the hobby.

like it was for us coming of age in the 70's and 80's, when pick-up bars were the preferred way to get some short-notice sex for both men AND women.  It was a skill you had to learn quickly if you wanted to avoid taking matters into your own hands, and I think pretty much an art that is a little lost on subsequent generations.  As you know, we learned to "read" women quickly to know which ones at the club or bar were there for sex and which ones were only interested in having free drinks. Its like riding a bicycle.  Once you learn, you never forget how.   When they are trying to score women on the internet, or by texting, you can't read them as well, and these yutes of today end up wasting a lot of time with girlsl who are not really prospects to hook up THAT night.  

Either you have P4P, where you get right down to the action or you are meeting and dating women to work your way into a BCD situation! They both take money to get to the end result and sometimes dating/pick ups can be expensive without the desired happy ending! Just sayin', ain't nothin' free!

That quote should be the last word in this thread.  It was said by a very highly respected K-fanboy.  If HE believes K-girls are underpaid and if HE is okay with the increases, then the rest of you K-fanboys should also be okay with the increases.

Also, fallacy of association.

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Im new to kgirls - started the hobby a couple months back with some normal providers and I could not believe how the former charges 500+ an hour vs the 260 for the kgirls, and I thought the latter did a much better job with services/attitude. I don't think I can ever go back? And on top of that they have an agency that takes a cut? It seems criminally low to me (at least in comparison) to my first 2-3 visits hobbying.

that I found on "That Mall."  Unless you have had experience paying $400-500 for an hour session, I think its difficult to appreciate the VALUE in a one-hour session with a Kgirl.  Less money and better service 90% of the time, IMO.  I still see indies to keep my references up for other indies I see when I'm traveling on business to cities who have no Kgirls, but I only see one  for every 10 Kgirls I see because of the difference in value.  That's why I have no problem with modest periodic price increases.  

..."indies" were $300 and K-girls were $250.  Today indies are $500 and K-girls are STILL $250.  You may "have no problem with modest periodic price increases" but most K-fanboys rend their garments and tear their hair out at the thought of a modest price increase even one time in 13 years.  Why do you think that is?  (Please don't use the $1.50 Costco hot dog as an example.  rocket has worn the shit out of that argument, lol)

As I alluded to already, I think its endemic to guys STARTING their hobby life with Kgirls instead of making the transition from indies to Kgirls like many of us "K-fanboys" did.  Most of the Kgirl veterans on the Kgirl board started with indies like I did and then moved over to Kgirls once they discovered that market.  You almost NEVER hear this group of Kgirl converts complaining about price increases.  Of course, most are in their 40's, 50's and 60's, so they're a little more savvy about economics in general than the younger ones who complain a lot about price increases.  The market has not been static at $250.  There are still a few at that price, but in SoCal, they are mostly at $270-$300, and $300 is the standard rate in Las Vegas and on the East Coast.  There is usually an upcharge for BBFS which brings the rate to $380-$400.  I believe the lowest average prices are still in the BA, and ironically, some local mongers don't seem to appreciate the value they are getting and still complain about prices.  

ok James Bond.  You are so smooth that you didnt have the need or desire for a provider.  Handsome, check.  Ultimate male date, check.  Actually ALL WRONG.  

You seem to be too fixated on hot dog portion of the argument to understand that my argument is simply the following :

I knew you were back trying to get my attention because I already got some PM's asking, "Who's the dick-head that is stalking you?"  A great way to start back, don't you think?  You're irrelevant here, so post all you want.  

i have no interest in going back to indies for a while cus the value is such a large gap IMO, and i love the korean milfs they might be older but their bodies are still very banging. i am curious of one thing though, is it more or less risky going to these places? my first visits were in a nice condo type location but im worried that some orgs might not be as safe or might be more prone to LE?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I see them because that's who I'm attracted to!

The only reason I still see indies is to keep a few current provider references in order to be able to get some pussy if I'm in a smaller town on business, which I usually am at least once a month.  I agree that indie pussy isn't Kgirl pussy, its its still better than NO pussy.  Lol

This is for Big Papa San, but I'm attaching it to Rockets post because I believe Rocket is simply saying nobody likes an increase in anything they are buying!

How about you give us a few links to reviews for indie pussy that is not asian?

Not at all, badger.

Your words, "You're still on ignore".

"Since then, I mostly see indies in the $500 range, plus or minus, when I'm in a city with no Kgirl agencies."

my alias, you moron.  This is your one response for the month.

Stayed that way till about 2 years ago...But back to the subject. When I was into the whole K-Girl scene, say around 2005 or so it was $250 in LA...what is it now, 260?? By the way, best hot dogs are at Costco, buck 64 for a dog and drink

Taco Bell was 5 for a dollar, but only lasted for about a year.  Now,  on Taco Tuesday, I'm eating a Kgirl taco at $260-$300.  Lol

Just in 2020, all inclusive kgirl menu in the bay area, including bbfs  and 2 pops was 220

Back in the Gold Rush days, Asian prostitutes would shout out the windows of a brothel: “Two bittee lookee. Four bittee feelee. Six bittee doee!”

Hope this isn't too far off track,  but do any of you guys eat Jack in the box tacos? Do you think they taste the same? I had some a few weeks ago and didn't think they tasted the same!

I cannot compare how they taste today to how they did in 1972.  But, I do like 'em.  And, they are 2 for 99 cents!

in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and those who consider price alone are this man's lawful prey.      ---- John Ruskin

.. the golden days when you got $160 FS at AMPs from beautiful K-girls at a dozen establishments within walking distance of my office. Yes I've been spoiled.
But I still think the K-girls (now ncluding a lot of J-girls and C-girls) remain a good value and don't begrudge them at the 300-400 rate, especiially since a lot of the others have gone from 3-400 to 6-800.

No doubt about it, and it's because of consistent baseline "floor" for service.

And up until recently if the Lakers held the opponent to under 100 points, everyone got free tacos.
You probably had the Super Tacos..those have too much fluff, not the same as their regulars.

No, I only get the two for $1.00. I'll try a different Jack in the box and see how they are.

No offense to these guys (photo), but the pink is supposed to be on the INside.

I wouldn't eat a Jack-In-The-Box taco from 1972. It would probably be pretty nasty by now...

I lived near a 24 hour Jack in the Crack in 1972. I finished all the tacos I bought. But maybe they would have lasted at least as long as some other fast foods:
http://www.today.com/food/mcdonalds-burger-fries-shows-no-sign-rot-after-6-years-t60026
McDonald's burger and fries show no sign of rot after 6 years.
We're all getting older, but some of us show the years more than others. Then again, some — like a certain McDonald's combo — don't seem to show the passing of time at all!