It is always best to be as informed as possible. And mitigate risk whenever and however you can.
And never trust someone whose attention need is as extremely high as that guy I keep on Ignore.
I pre booked a session two days in advance with a booker I have worked with for over a year. I go through them at least once a month and this was the third time, I was seeing this girl. I confirmed the session that morning! I'm getting ready and I get a text to book a few hours later, that time didn't fit in my schedule, I declined! I do two-hour sessions with certain girls with them and consider myself a good client!
What's the chance I was bumped?
I don't like to think that, and I know things happen, but it just seemed like it was out of the blue! I know when I ask for a session and that time is not open, I go to the next time! I wouldn't want to bump anyone, just like I don't want to be bumped!
Mongers, your thoughts?
Yes, sometimes you get bumped.
But, mostly (at least in my experience) it is something else which causes the sudden cancellation.
* Monthly visitor showed up early
* Girl got sick
* Previous client got rough with the girl
* The house decided to throw a party for one of the girls (no kidding)
* And, yes, a favorite client might have called at the last minute
All of the above and others have directly happened to me.
And I, too, generally book 2 hour sessions at a relatively high frequency (though not lately). But these last minute cancellations still happened. It is why I try to always have a backup plan.
Backup plans are harder these days with the scarcity of quality AMPs. I recommend having at least a couple of regular girls who respond when you call them directly and are likely to try to fit you into their schedule at the last minute. I used to have a couple of girls who would actually cancel appointments to see me. Something I always try to avoid doing to another monger. But sometimes that happens, too.
Have fun.
* And, yes, a favorite client might have called at the last minute
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because of the girl and not because of the booker. The first time it happened to me (2015) was when I was a regular with a popular OC girl and I texted the same day for an appointment. I specifically told the booker I know its short notice and I did not want to bump anyone else who already pre-booked. He told me she already instructed him to give me priority whenever I wanted to see her, and wouldn't tell me if he had to move anyone to accommodate my request. I was uncomfortable with it, so after that I always tried to make my requests for her at least 2-3 days in advance. I never booked same day with her again. So my point is, its not always up to the booker. Sometimes the girls that like you and want your business are behind the bumping and the booker just does what they ask, so you should not always blame the org.
That's why they re-named Orange County Airport in 2015. Conspicuous Dick Lover never asked for that to change the name from JWA to CDL. In fact he objected so much so that he stopped flying from JWA to his hourly job at Albertson's in Costa Mesa.
Young K-Girls will tell you that he is so upstanding that he asks to go doggie out of respect to his dog named CKS. However they had problems with him removing his condom and telling them that it was good for their country. What an outstanding citizen and member of this community.
Oh, none of that ever happened. Neither did his lies above.
I almost never as for a specific time but rather ask when the girl I want to see is available. Now, I've generally had a lot of control over my schedule and now, sans accidents or such, it's total control so that's an easy approach for me.
So I think the only way I could possibly bump another guy would be if the booker or lady were already looking for excuses to avoid the person. But in that case they simply would not have let him book one would think.
Or was the correct response to your post "Of course we don't blame the org, we blame YOU." lol
Maybe it was you that bumped me! LOL! At least I could have been invited to the party! Thanks for the post, good info! I will start having a backup plan!
Maybe we should start a thread about what is currently working and/or not working in regard to making and keeping backup plans.
This would be so much more useful than a long thread featuring arguments with an internet troll’s ego posts, don’t you think?
As I’ve said before, AMPs used to feature heavily in my backup plans. Now I just try to find girls who are here clearly traveling from someplace else and have at least one review I like.
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Two different paths come to mind.
1) Make sure you know who else is in the area that you are interested in seeing, more than one is best.
2) Make sure you're arranging your schedule with the flexibility to make adjustments, or at least try to build that in -- not always possible but without it the potential for using a backup plan go way down.
3) While not really a backup plan, always keep in mind cancellations are possible so be mentally prepared for such an event. Regardless of how egregious one views such events being mentally prepare can result in not burning a relationship in a fit of anger/frustration that you otherwise would have liked to keep. This can be important for ensuring you have path one available if needed.
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I disagree with number 3. The more people let them know what they really think, and more times it's piblicly voiced, the more they will know there spushback for shit practices
Otherwise, you give them a hand, they'll take the whole arm.
Number two is good in theory, but in practice it's tough for people wjtg specific schedules. If you schedule evenings or nights, you get less and less possibility to see someone you're even interested in. And if you like to take last appointments, then if your metro doesn't have aamps going past 12, you might be SOL. Also, for someone like myself who often would binge two, three or more girls on the same night a cancelation meant strictly one less fuck and wasted time as you can't make that time up last minute before the next appointment.
Given that NOTHING is what I said in point 3 had ANYTHING to do with what anyone knows or says just what are you disagreeing with? Just another of your straw men you keep adding to my posts.
I disagreed with the part about anger/frustration and burning bridges being bad. I'm of the opinion of people can't handle a monger being frustrated and would burn bridge as a result, these people aren't worthy to keep a bridge with to begin with.
I feel that when you get to a certain point, burning a bridge, I hope you have some time to see if that is a good course of action! You think about it and what could happen down the road, after burning the bridge and say "Fuck it"! I will live with my decision!
So, what I'm getting at is, burned bridge, some time goes by and now they are the only org with a new hot superstar that is the latest buzz! I guess you can get a new phone number, but you'd be dealing with an org you cut loose because you said, fuck 'em & good riddance!
You can always wait for her to use another booker or there are plenty of other stars out there to see!
It's probably not the first or last time you either missed out or had to wait to see a new girl!
I guess it depends how much fuel you use to burn the bridge! The booker/org can move or start a new setup and remember you and shut you out from the new place!
P.S. I am using "you" to mean all mongers, I'm not singling anyone out!
If you decide that some agency or person is doing something you want nothing to do with you don't need to burn the bridge by getting into arguments. Just leave and never go back. At that point those people/agencies are not part of the equation at all and never will (nor would someone want them to) figure into a backup plan.
Completely unrelated to the subthread Useryrhead tried to start. [edit to fix the missing "un" of "unrelated"]
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I can think of a few agencies that started off kind of rough, i.e., mixed up appointments, etc., where two guys would show up for the same girl at the same time. After they get their shit together and developed a system for tracking everything, they may become just like any other agency, so why CREATE an adversarial relationship because you didn't like the way it went. As badger pointed out, there might come a time when they are the only agency still standing, and they won't respond to you because of a prior bitch-slapping you gave the booker that really didn't change anything. He just needed time to learn the business and get his own act together. Stop going, and if you start to read reviews about what a great experience working with that booker is, then try them again. Burning bridges does nothing but make sure you will be excluded in the future no matter what happens or what changes they make.
I hold the view that if someone is concerned with customer satisfaction, he/she should listen to your complaints. And yes, apologize. If the booker is unprofessional, and is called unprofessional, he/she shouldn't get mad for the truth.
OK, fine. Let's say you walk away and not burn bridges. How do you communicate that his/her handling of the matter was shit and unprofessional, without burning bridges?
Walking away quietly (again, I assume that's what meant by walking away) also just opens up other mongers to a similar shitty experience. Why would you do that to fellow bros?
All the time " to learn the business and get his own act together"... wouldn't other mongers during that time be affected as well? I'd personally say Id consider it my duty to tell everyone of such a shitty and unprofessional experience, so that other mongers aren't Guinea pigs during that time. Ie, if they need time to get their shit together, ideally no monger should go to them during that time. Agreed?
How do you let them know?
"[booker name] [issue -- e.g., canceled session to give someone else the time] is very disappointing to me. I feel it is unfair to go back on our agreed schedule on such short notice. It is nice that you are at least offing an alternative time but I had planned my day and at this point lack the flexibility to rearrange my other commitments. This is really disappointing for me. I'll have to get back with you on when I can make another visit."
Not that hard, not accusing anyone of anything or starting arguments but clearly expressing you lack of satisfaction with the situation. There is probably about as many other ways to communicate that same thing, without yelling or making it personal with the person so it escalates to an argument as there are people seeing providers. However, if you cannot come up with a way that is "your" way feel free to use the above template, making whatever modification might be needed.
The good thing is the above works even if you never plan of using them again.
That's fair, and btw you didn't have to call me socially inept.
But what about the other part? Can you tell fellow mongers PUBLiCLY about spcecific shit and unprofessional behavior and tell them to not see the org/booker/org until they figure the kninks out? Without worrying about being BLd and put on dns list? I'm not so sure we can. Would you agree that we should have a right to do so without being worried that we might lose access to all korgs because of a truthful post on a board?
My comment was completely related to #3 point you made. I pointed out that frustration is natural when someone on their ends fuck up, and people shouldn't have their emotions stifled with the fear of burning bridges. Once people sniff out that monger is afraid to criticize a bookers practice or exercise his rights, next time they won't think twice about applying a shit practice to him because they know they got him valuing his membership too much.
Quietly (at least I assume that's what you meant) leaving and not going back doesn't do anything to the org.
I personally think if booker or org fucks up, they should be able to listen to frustrated mongers speak their mind. Just like customer service elsewhere has to deal with pissed off customers. It's part of the job.
Again, this is just my opinion on your topic, which I disagreed with. You get again are trying to discredit it for no reason.
We will have to agree to disagree. You are taking an opportunistic approach, while I'm taking an ideological approach.
To me, truth, pride and dignity comes first and will not be eclipsed by any pussy.
No matter how many superstars they have coming in, if I feel like they wronged me, I say so. I don't think of "how can they be useful".
Pussy is always replaceable. Dignity isn't. I am not ever prepared NOT say something I feel like saying,
just because someone might be useful down the road.
Again, simply my opinion and you're welcome to disagree with it. Just don't tell me it's off topic, lol.
Needles to say, I always hated "networking"; and any job I have, I pick out to make sure I can say exactly what I think every time I talk to anyone above me in the chain.
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I was just saying that burning a bridge can be pretty final. I think you can get your point/concerns across to the org, through the booker and still remain in good or ok standing, if you choose your words and tone correctly! That might sound like being afraid or kissing ass, but I think it would make the people that you are addressing a little more receptive to hearing what you're saying and work with you!
This being an illegal business, like all others, the front man is or can be on a power trip! After all they can either open the velvet rope or keep it closed on a whim! They demand their respect for the power they wield!
Another thing that comes up when you come at them hard, being Asian and this has been brought up before, losing face can come into play! That can take it to a higher level problem!
I feel you can keep your dignity and pride as long as you show respect to whoever you are addressing! I just see it as a two-way street! You will get what you give! Also, to be clear it doesn't always work out, but it doesn't hurt to try!
Our goal is to visit the Kgirls we want to see, and their goal is to get us there, without anyone losing face!
To use an old term, I'd rather get along, then get it on!
of an old maxim that I use in my business . . . . . "Respect can me demanded, but loyalty must be earned." This makes the hobby a two-way street. Besides the respect that bookers demand, they are also trying to win our continuing business, so bridge-burning will apply at the point that you have made yourself more trouble than your business is worth. They will put up with a LITTLE bit of pushback, but not a lot.
And, at the risk of stating the obvious that seems lost on some, this is a business transaction and business settings. One should behave with a level of professional courtesy regardless of how others behave. Doesn't really matter which side of the transaction you're on.
"the front man is or can be on a power trip! After all they can either open the velvet rope or keep it closed on a whim! They demand their respect for the power they wield! "
Yes, that is a problem. What's funny is that the power wielded should be flipped imo. Without mongers to visit, they don't exist. Mongers can exist without them, though. They are way more dependent on clientele.
I don't see why someone mustnt lose face in the process. If you fuck up, own it. To me personally, admitting your errors and being able to listen to frustrated customer is way more saving face than not doing that.
As far as two way street, I agree. Unfortunately in reality, it is not a two way street with supplier wielding power to bl on a whim and setting rules.
In the industry I'm in, we joke that most annoying and loud customers also do the most innovation indirectly. Because they force us to add custom features that then often become standards. I know it's a pipe dream, but I'd like to see this business customer-driven than supplier-driven.
Still, while I respectfully agree to disagree, badger,it has been enjoyable to debate this with you,sir.
Why is all this general discussion in the k-girl forum instead of GD or newbie forum? It has nothing specifically to do with k-girls.
I ask because we have now seen dozens, if not hundreds, of comments on this and related topics posted over and over again all started, mostly, by the same guy.
From what I can see this all fits much better in the newbie forum for sure. And, as long as we don’t try to claim that these issues are unique to k-girl and asian girls (and they’re really not), the fit works pretty well.
Just wondering if I’m the only one who doesn’t think all this repetitive posting of information for newbies belongs here.
Repetitive posting is a pain! Whether it's good info or trolling!
The way I see it and I opened the thread is about working with bookers and orgs to see the Kgirls, we all like, and the ins & outs of this part of P4P!
I'm interested in the Kgirl scene, that's why I put it on this board!
a lot of the discussion is really not about K-girls, or even Asian providers or their agencies/bookers per se.
[But if the admins move it you might get some hate mail for that observation 
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I don't see that actual basis for your view that just because this is not a legal activity in the USA that the middle man has any more incentive to such behavior as exist in legal settings. To the extent they hold some level of monopoly power in terms of who uses them for booking that may hold. However, as has been said many times, there are plenty of fish in the sea so I suspect those who behave will generally be selected out of the market by its customers.
Other than that I agree with you. The old saying about treating others like you would like to be treated is not without merit.
Well then, if booker treats customers like crap, then he/she wants to be treated like crap. Right?
I’m pretty sure we’ve been having this same discussion, with very few variations, for at least a year.
Maybe we should start saving links to these posts and just repost them for those who are interested?
Reminds me of an old joke I heard as a kid. Young guy does something dumb, gets caught and goes to prison. In the dinning hall periodically someone will shout out a number and the room burst out in laughter. This goes on for a while and finally the young guy gives up trying to figure it out and ask one of the lifers.
They are jokes the old timer says. We've all been here so long we've heard them all many times. Finally we decided it would be easier just to number the jokes. Next day at lunch the kid wants to start fitting in a bit better and during a quiet period yells out 43!
No one laughs and he gets a few odd looks. Turns to the old guy as asks what happened. Sorry kid, the old guy says, but jokes are all in the delivery.
Unfortunately here we're probably end up with a string of posts with all the thoughts and all the trolling as well LOL I can only imagine what a newbie would make of that -- and how long they might quietly read before working up the nerve to ask. In other words, hell yea, lets do it Will make the forums much more interesting and possible more fun.
But yes, we do end up beating horses over and over here -- but at least in some cases someone tries to paint the dead horse a different color first or something so it kind of looks new.
This is the only forum on TER I know about (never been on the P&R forum, though) that is as tolerant as we are of those who go over and over the same info as if it is somehow new. People generally get told to do their homework before reposting the same material or asking the same basic questions.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for tolerance. But I think maybe, just maybe, we’ve taken it way too far here.
It seems kind of odd, though. The same guy who takes advantage of everyone’s tolerance here in the Kgirl forum, mocks us for being too tolerant of the mistakes of others.
last week, whether I can just link posts I have put up in the past that answer the same questions that are coming up lately, but I didn't want to be accused of being disrespectful to the guys who were taking the time to write out their answers, whether they've said it before, or not. If you link when given the opportunity, I will too. Lol
Links are the way to go. Anything to shorten your posts would be great. You are ALL YESTERDAY'S NEWS ANYWAY.
Newer hobbyists don't read your posts anyway. You are as irrelevant as your orange poof haired friend. Over the hill and just making a fuss like him as well.
You're correct, Jensen. Treat others well and you're likely to receive the same in return. It's worked for me in all aspects of my life, including the hobby.
As to the monopoly discussion, any monopoly requires unequal bargaining power. In our hobby the power is 100% equal. Consider:
The lady sets the donation. The guy decides whether she's worth that donation to him. Equal bargaining power.
If you treat a lady in a manner that she believes is inappropriate, she has the right to refuse to see you. And she has the right to tell her friends and booker about it and urge them not to see you (what the little felcher calls blacklisting). In the same vein, if a lady fails to deliver in bed, or uses fake or photoshopped pictures, or works out of a shady or unsafe area, or has a manager, the guys have the right to not see her again, and to tell their friends that she's not a good escort, explain why, and recommend that they not see her (i.e., write a negative review). This is the exact same thing as an escort or agency blacklisting a hobbyist, assuming other hobbyists trust the review. Equal bargaining power. While I'm loathe to compare escorts to other products or services, it's really no different than going to a restaurant. You order a meal, eat it, and decide it tastes horrible, or doesn't look like the picture on the menu, or that the service was bad. You have to pay for the meal you ate, but you have the right not to go back to that restaurant and to write bad reviews on as many review sites as you like. By contrast, the restaurant has the right to decide you're a bad customer and refuse to serve you in the future.
The same is true for bookers. If a hobbyist is aggressive or is an asshole towards a booker, the booker has the right to refuse to schedule that guy with his ladies and to warn other bookers about the hobbyist's bad behavior. Again, the same right rests with hobbyists. If a booker treats you rudely, or uses fake or photoshopped pictures for his/her ladies, or has ratchet ladies, we have the right not to use that booker and to warn our friends. Equal bargaining power.
I've been in the hobby for nearly 40 years off and on. I've had great experiences, and not so great experiences. I've reported issues back to bookers, but I've always done it in a measured tone and explained my issue in detail. Every time I've reached a resolution with the booker, and seen his ladies again without acrimony. I've also texted bookers when their ladies were exceptional to say thanks. It comes back to treating people how I want to be treated. Nice guys don't finish last (sorry Leo), assholes do.
First, I find it weird you list "not using the booker" or "not going to a restaurant" as a right. That's always a thing for a customer, a priori, regardless of any actions.
We are the ones who are shopping, and they are the ones try to sell us stuff. They should be making sure we are happy, not the other way around.
This is where the dynamics in the hobby start getting fucked up and become a far cry from the 100% equal bargaining power you claim.
Take the post on the DC board. The guy got bumped last minute and called booker unprofessional. Did he have a case? Yes he did. The booker in turn went and not only BLd him but put him on the DNS list. How is that 100% equal bargaining power? A monger got wronged, showed his understandable frustration at a booker, and then got fucked yet again.
Now let's look at the equivalent. Not even the worst review in the world can deny a girl all work in an area.
Clearly, the powers that the two sides yield are not the same.
You are absolutely right that we have the right and should write bad reviews and tell others about it. But that's not what the majority here agrees with. They think you should walk away and not put the org/booker/girl on blast or be super critical. Yet, they think that booker is justified in putting a customer who called them unprofessional (which was the truth) on blast. Again, this is double standards imo.
I dont think its even close, until a single monger has the power to "cancel" a booker/girl the same way a booker/girl has the power to cancel a monger, the sides will never be equal.
Alternatively, if bookers had thicker skin or less feeling of unabridged power, maybe they would take criticism as feedback to improve on, and everyone would be better off. Until then, sorry but this isn't an equal bout in any way, shape or form.
This obviously doesn't apply to bookers who actually care about their clients and can take criticisms and don't lie. God bless them.
"I [sic] dont think its even close, until a single monger has the power to "cancel" a booker/girl the same way a booker/girl has the power to cancel a monger, the sides will never be equal. "
To say it again, useyrhead nailed it here. THIS belongs on the newbie board because it's a lesson everyone starting needs to learn.
Every single monger can simply no go see an agency or a particular girl any time they want. That is exactly the same power as the agency has as dc pointed out. Let me say it again. All you have to do is just NOT GO. Done the agency or girl is now 100% blacklisted from you. Absolutely nothing they can do.
The only way your claim even approaches having some type of meaning is if the guy has no control over his dick and gives in to his yearning for that particular girl or the girls generally found at the agency no matter how poor they treat him. If you lack the emotional maturity to control yourself then don't blame the girl or the agency. You need to grow up and control you own emotions and wants rather than stomping your feet and blaming the world for not being how you demand it be.
I can understand when a newbie get tripped up over this but anyone who has been at this for (being generous I think) at least a year generally figures this out. If not this is a wake up call for you. And it is NOT unique to K-girls or Asian ladies but ubiquitous in the industry.
Um, what?
Let's try this again.
The agency and booker have the power to put a monger on a list that will prevent him from seeing not just that agency, but most if not all other agencies in their metro area. On a pure whim.
Does a monger has such power to do so to an agency, booker or a girl? So that they can't see other mongers?
No, he does not. No matter how harsh of a review he puts out, he does not have power to cancel the other side. But the booker does!
We are talking about power level of one side over the other, and it's not even close here.
Only one side gets to say "you play strictly by our rules and be at my mercy or else you will get fucked with everyone else". That is NOT equality. Never was, never will be. And you're right. It's not specific to kgirls/korgs. This applies to every provider/agency, especially non-kgirl ones.
"Stomping feet" is exactly what bookers often do as well, just like the booker in case of beg/Tessa has.
Where is reprimand for that? Ah, right. He/she didn't like a complaint so he/she just went and banned the guy from everywhere. Why not just say "yeah my bad, will be better next time"? Instead of dealing with an angry customer head-first, a problem that the booker was at fault for, the booker decided to execute a power move. Because he can and there is no corresponding move the monger can make.
Hence, please - leave these fairy tales about 100% equality to someone else who is more naive.
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Felcher boy, you are the most naive, closed-minded monger we have on TER. You have one droning narrative, and you repeat it over and over in thread after thread. It’s no wonder you’ve been banned, blacklisted, and put on Do Not See lists, and based on your actions on these Boards I’m 100% confident you deserved it every time. Maybe if you treated people nicely as Jensen and I suggested you could beg your way back into some booker’s good graces. I know you’re too hard headed to understand this, but maybe you could ask someone who cares about you to explain it to you. Or, you can keep jerking off in your parents’ basement. Your choice.
Instead of addressing my point, you choose to attack me, including saying things that aren't true (AFAIK I'm not on any dns list nor am I banned from any org; plus I'm fully anonymous so even if I was...)
Do you just assume I argue this because I was banned? Lol.
My point is really simple, you can't say the two sides are 100% equal when:
1)
Seller can deny the buyer not only access to this seller, but to all other sellers, at the flick of a wrist.
2)
Yet buyer has no possibility of denying seller access to all other buyers.
It's very, very simple. For a supposed two-way business, the situation is very assymetric and saying both sides have equal power and equal relationship is very close to a dishonest statement.
First, I didn't attack you, I DESCRIBED you. There's a big difference.
Second, your reply shows your naivete or willful ignorance. A blacklist/DNS is exactly the same as a bad review. A blacklist/DNS is a booker or hooker telling other bookers/hookers that a specific hobbyist is an asshole, an abuser, cheap, a complainer, etc, and is not worthy of their time and should not be seen. It's only as effective as the booker's/hooker's reputation and standing in their community. If they are widely trusted/respected, other bookers/hookers will respect their recommendation and will not schedule or see the specific hobbyist. If they're not trusted/respected, then the blacklist/DNS will have a lesser effect. You consistently mischaracterize a blacklist/DNS as though it is a law, or an edict from God, and is absolutely binding on every booker/hooker in a metro area (i.e., "a booker can deny the buyer not only access to this seller, but to all other sellers, at the flick of a wrist"). You're 100% wrong on this one. You're claim depends on the fact that every hooker and/or booker in a metro area listens to, trusts, and relies on the recommendation of every other hooker or booker in that area. That is simply false. That's why I say you're either naive or willfully ignorant, or more likely both. I think Jensen had it correct as applied to you in one of his earlier comments. Apparently you've pissed off the bookers who control the specific KGirls that you want to see, and are now ostracized from their ladies. That's very different from being excluded from seeing any hookers in the SF/SJ/Peninsula/East Bay area.
A bad review is a hobbyist telling other hobbyists that a specific hooker is not worth their price for any of many reasons. Exactly like a blacklist/DNS, the review is only as effective as the hobbyist's reputation and standing in their community. If they are widely trusted/respected, other hobbyists will not schedule with or see the booker/hooker in the negative review. If they're not trusted/respected, then the negative review will have a lesser effect. That's why the most knowledgeable hobbyists not only read the contents of reviews whether good or bad, but also look at the reviewer's history to see whether their reviews are worthy of belief.
In the end, whether a blacklist, DNS list, or a bad review, they're all the same, and are dependent upon the veracity and standing of the proponent.
Lol, calling me a "felcher" is describing me? Look at you having the nerve to talk about integrity when you're lying to my face.
Again, I was never banned or placed on any dns. I've never had any real spats with bookers myself. That doesnt mean I approve of their ways or means.
To now address your post. Most orgs have networks. They certainly have a network here in the bay. Also same thing in LA. A do not see/bl list is serious in that most if not all of orgs in network will follow suit.
Equating this to reviews is silly. People see girls regardless of reviews. People can and still see girls with shit reviews, if there are no other option, etc. A bl/dns is the kiss of death for that monger kgirl and often cgirl career. Or at least that numbers career.
You can't physically go and fuck these girls. Once again, reviews don't prevent other buyers from seeing girls of seller. Bl/dns do prevent buyer from seeing girls of sellers.
Let's translate the situation to a real two way business.
Imagine making a reservation at restaurant and when you are about to head there, they say oh you've been bumped to another time. You tell the manager that they're being unprofessional, and the manager says oh yeah, well you're banned from here AND you're also banned from other restaurants.
Can you see this happening outside of this biz? Yeah, me neither. You know why? Because restaurant customers aren't treated as atm John losers who don't have a voice.
Yup.
Here’s a real world example.
Set up a checking account. Exceed the maximum number of bounced checks too many times (“too many” varies from bank to bank). Boom. Your account is closed. And you are told your business is not welcome there. No arbitration. You’re just done. And your credit rating is now in the toilet, too. So, it’s harder to work with any other bank. Especially banks that have a relationship with the original bank.
Here’s another.
Call Apple support. Use abusive language with the support rep. Don’t apologize. Blame Apple. Escalate and abuse the reps supervisor. Though you’re probably blacklisted before you even try that.
From that point on you won’t be able to buy Apple Care or use Apple support ever again. You can buy Apple products on the used market. But the Apple Store won’t take your money. Maybe if you pay cash. But not if you provide your AppleID.
And, yes, I have extended family members who have done both of these stupid things. The consequences are real.
Bounced check example is so contrived. When you bounce a check, you are in the wrong.
Bounced check is equivalent videotaping the girls. Yes you should and will get blacklisted.
Just because you're a customer you shouldn't be exempt from not doing shit you're not supposed to be doing.
Also a note - as long as you pay for a bounced check promptly, your credit score won't change because bounced checks don't get reported to fixo per se
The apple support example is more akin to what we're talking about here, however. I do think an apple support can handle being called unprofessional without banning you from apple and especially apples competitors.
Useyrhead, you can explain it to the little felcher until you’re blue in the face. Your examples are perfect. Mine were pretty good too. Jensen and CDL have tried to help him as well. He’s so dense that no matter what we say, four very experienced guys, he sticks his head in the sand and argues with us and drones on with his victim narrative. I’m putting him back on ignore. I tried, but his responses confirm that he just wants to argue; he isn’t interested in learning. I now understand why he’s been banned from the Donkey (and probably a few other sites). If only TER would do the same. Thanks for trying.
I was never banned on that site. You must be confusing me with twoon or maui or someone else who did get banned.
You wanting TER to ban me for simply standing my ground is hilarious and pathetic. Ignoring me iand my posts is not enough for ya? Lol.
I will always fight for mongers rights and will always address injustices and inequality in regards to mongers. Anyone abusing their power on the seller side will hear from me and I'll give them an earful.
And a booker/org/girl who has power to ban buyer from his own org as well as all other orgs, inherently wields more powwr than customer, who cannot *ever* do so unless they report the org to popo.
I will repeat it as many times as you want to hear it because it's the truth. This is an unequal relationship and calling it 100% equal bargaining power is nonsense. There is a reason many more ngers are afraid to say the truth or walk - its the fear of bl. Do orgs fear anything that is done by customer in the same way? Hell no. Power hungry bookers be banning mongers for bookers own fuckups. Does this happen from customer side? No, you can't ban a booker or gilr from taking any other buyers.
There's no victim narrative. There are some power hungry sellers who think they can run things because they have pussy to sell. Everyone protects girls and bookers. Who is protecting the mongers? Exactly. All I fight is for consumers to be protected at least to the same extent the girls are. Because to me bros >>> pros. Each day and any day.
I don’t really think he positions himself as a victim. But he does commonly position himself as the One True Pro-Monger. Others are granted temporary True Pro-Monger status as they stroke his ego and agree with him. But he, judging by his countless posts on the subject, claims to be the final arbiter of True Pro-Monger status.
Well, he claims it by implication. Because no one else seems to fully qualify according to his aforementioned prolific work here on TER.
But that’s OK with me. Anyone who actually knows more than a little about mongering, also knows that the diversity amongst the monger community is extreme. Not just talking about ethnic and economic or even cultural diversity here.
The monger community includes more than a few members who are LE. There is also a significant number of people who consider laws (not just those against prostitution) as more like guidelines than actual rules. Some of these are people you do not ever want to meet in a dark alley. To not be acutely aware of that in everything you do in this pursuit, I consider to be dangerously naive.
The only pro-monger status I’m interested in is supporting people who believe in treating mongers, girls and orgs with significant and equal respect.
All that said, I’m really not interested in spending this much time on posts that belong in the Newbie or General DIscussions boards. Rocket needs to get a clue and start putting posts where they belong. I’m just grateful that I can put him on Ignore until that magnificent day when he does get a clue arrives.
My suggestion? Let’s all just ignore these time wasting threads and get back to things that are actually fun.
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I do not grant any statuses nor do I position myself as the only true monger or any other nonsense you attribute to me. I'm a simple man, in situations where you have a monger side and provider side, and you're forced to pick a side, I see a side you pick and call it as I see it.
Thats it. And whoever picks one side 98% of the time and claims to be fully objective and unbiased, is, well, full of shit. Because if you believe equality, this means you should be picking each side around 50% of the time in the long run;
I want to protect mongers. I don't claim you or anyone else SHOULD protect mongers. The choice is always yours. Just don't say one thing and do another is all I ask. Double standards and hypocrisy are the WOAT
And yes, if one tends to pick providers with juicy pussy who gave him tons of pleasure,over some guys on internet he never talked to and maybe never will, believe me- I understand that, even tho I may not agree.
But just because it's understandable, doesn't make one any less biased. Not even an iota less. Sorry.
of the which you are so fond of. Its simplistic to say that if someone was unbiased he would be picking each "side" 50% of the time. That presupposes that both sides are equally valid, which is seldom the case. There is a reason why prosecutors win criminal convictions much more then defense lawyers get acquittals. Its because the prosecution must be sure that their argument is better than the defense argument to begin with, or they won't even charge the alleged crime. Otherwise, 50% of defendants would be acquitted according to your logic, and in reality, its a fraction of that. So its possible to chose one side 90% of the time and still be unbiased because the argument presented by that side is more convincing and supported by facts, not conjecture.
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I used to fill in for the web site admin of a popular monger board once upon a time. He had certain health issues that imposed a good bit of downtime.
Because of the aforementioned experience, I saw things I never would have known about otherwise. Just a few examples.
* Mongers who wrote in for help on some of the most personal issues having to do with mongering.
* Org owners wanting to advertise (we didn’t accept ads) or wanting to curry favor in other ways.
* Girls who felt they had been wronged by a review or reviews or by a monger they “knew” was a member.
* Spouses - well, I’m sure you know what they wanted. Those were painful.
The only side I took was to protect the web site and its members to the best of my ability. Fortunately, I never had to keep up with it for long once the admin returned from absence du jour. Mostly I was able to just forward things to him.
The funny thing is that almost everyone who didn’t get the resolution they wanted felt they were being discriminated against. And that’s how it works. You can be as unbiased as humanly possible. But some people will simply never believe it unless you agree with them or give them their way.
And that’s just life. No matter who you are.
The only false equivalency here is you equating a monger vs provider/org situation to a case where someone has been charged with a crime by the state.
The funny thing is that theres already a bias baked in here - many on here think the monger side is guilty just because there is some conflict or dichotomy in the first place. Ie, the illogical and pretty dumb thought that says that the monger who got into some conflict is already likely responsible for some of conflict if he got into conflict in the first place.
If you claim that you equally treat mongers and orgs/girls, you have to assume a uniform distribution. Otherwise, you are already showing bias to one side
If you think it is possible that 98% of the time one side is right, it further showcases what you think of the monger side. Lol
BTW cdl, I'm glad you joined the army of people who claim to ignore me and yet read and respond to my posts, defeating the whole point of ignoring posts. Welcome back!
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CDL, you raise an interesting analogy about the prosecutors, and useyrhead too talking about some of the folks on here being really bad guys and/or cops, and it got me wondering:
We all know that the little rocket felcher claims not to have seen a hooker since March 2020 (when he submitted his last review). We also know that he self-servingly denies ever being bl'ed, on a dns list, and/or having been banned from other review sites (I, for one, don't believe that). He has also denied being broke (even though he admitted a few months ago that he couldn't afford to buy TER VIP) or that his little pp is broke and that's why he's abstaining from KGirls. So why wouldn't he be seeing KGirls or other hookers? After reading your comments cdl, and useyrhead's, it got me wondering, whether the little rocket felcher might be one of those bad guys that useyrhead referenced who a prosecutor convicted and put in prison. I had a former client a couple of years ago who went to a minimum security federal prison in California for year and he had access to a computer. Maybe that's why the little felcher is on here all the time, because he's in prison with access to a computer and arguing with us is his social interaction when Bubba is sleeping (LOL).
Alternatively, the little felcher also seems to have a pretty complete database about hookers in general, and KGirls to be specific. Maybe it's because he's a cop, and he's trying to infiltrate our Boards to get information against TER members (of course he'll deny this as he denies everything else when it comes to him)? Maybe that new website he posted last week is a way to get guys here to log in and he strips their personal identifying information based on their login? Maybe not, but then again maybe it's something that Admin should have a look at? The last thing TER needs is to be infiltrated by LEO.
Just a couple of thoughts. I'm probably wrong, but who knows. Lastly, I do agree with useyrhead that we should stop engaging him and debating with him (I've had him back on ignore since his dishonest responses yesterday), and that he should be posting on the newby board rather than the KGirl or GD Boards.
It is always best to be as informed as possible. And mitigate risk whenever and however you can.
And never trust someone whose attention need is as extremely high as that guy I keep on Ignore.
on "no true scotsman . . ." while eating lunch earlier and rocket's response to him came up when I returned to the forum index, and I realized I had not logged in because I could see what he started out with and decided to read it, which led to my post. Its actually the first post of his I have read in several weeks. I haven't read his response to me (I'm not even curious), because I blocked him again, too.
DC, you make some very valid points. I always wonder why guys who are not active for over a year with Kgirls even come here and read the boards. What is the point? I know why the trolls are here, but guys who have reviews, regardless how ancient, who have stopped hobbying, really have nothing to contribute that is current. Having no RECENT reviews, and board posts that are based on the way things were a few years ago rather than how they are NOW do not add to one's cred. The Kgirl scene has changed tremendously since 2018. Being incarcerated or a member of LE are indeed plausible explanations for both the time he spends here and his attitude towards the orgs. I agree there is a chance you're wrong, but hey, if the dots connect there ought to be SOME kind of picture emerge sooner or later. Lol
Ironically he accuses me of my imagination running wild...
First I'm a "felcher" who lives in my parents basement, then I'm homeless, then I'm in prison, then I'm LE.
LOL it's choose your own fucking aventure,or rather lie.
I have mentioned - and it's not a secret - that I stopped mongering during covid, until I got the Vax.
It's funny that you don't ask someone like useyrhead why he had no reviews since around the same time as I. Jensen also doesn't have any reviews since then. Ah I get it, you only ask these questions to those whom you don't like. You employ double standards after all!
If I was LE who actually wanted to bury the orgs, I'd do it a long time ago. I wouldn't complain to ter when people post full address in reviews. I know the apartments orgs use, I know who comes by to collect money (late appointments have their perks). And so on. I like to collect info and I have so much it'd be enough to implicate a lot of people here and possibly elsewhere.
If I was Le, I'd certainly pay attention to a certain poster in this thread being accessory to a person disappearing.
Yet, I'm no LE and I don't snitch. Unless my life depends on it I will not snitch. Just like I don't snitch to any mod on here.
It's funny how you made this about me instead going back to the topic of uneven bargaining power.
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Are we having fun yet?
Let’s close off this thread.
Rocket, I get that you must compulsively have the last word. But this has gone on long enough. We’ve all humored you and tried to make the best of the situation. Now it’s time for you to demonstrate that pro-monger attitude and start a new thread.
All you’re doing at this point is making it difficult for other mongers to find things.
I remember seeing a particularly hot and enthusiastic little kgirl a number of years back.
She really liked popping her g-spot with the old mushroom head. But she kept getting so carried away with it that her momentum would pop me out all the way sometimes. And then she’d quickly slip me back in. At least 3 different times though, she missed putting me back in her little kitty and almost slid me in her ass.
Finally she just looked at me and said “Fuck. Let’s just do this thing.” And that day was when I realized that some girls can actually handle more in their ass than they can in their kitty.
That was fun.
We’ve missed the target in this thread more than three times now. Can we go back to having fun and talking about having hot sex with kgirls now?
For the Newbie forum.
For all of us here, in my opinion, this is what many of us have been saying over and over (and over) again.
Still, it’s a great response.
Honestly, only a school yard bully equates being polite as representing fear or “kissing ass”.
I think I was 12 or maybe 13 when I realized I didn’t have to yell or be obnoxious when I didn’t get what I wanted. And by choosing to not “burn bridges” I found that life was not only better for those around me. It was better for me, too.
If there’s anyone I don’t have on Ignore who actually doesn’t understand that, please let me know. I’ll be happy to explain without rancor or judgement.
Absolutely! This is exactly what the little rocket felcher doesn’t understand, and it’s probably why he’s so worried about being blacklisted and/or put on a do not see list. It’s also why so many of the long time participants in this Board have issues with him. And it’s probably why he hasn’t been able to see an escort since March 2020.
He’s been beating the same dead horse for more than a year, pushing meritorious threads into the right margin. Maybe he’ll listen to you. He just keeps arguing with everyone else.
Judging by what I can see, it looks like the only responses other than yours, Mr. 36363, is a criticism of some sort.
But let’s see if we can keep the list going.
* SBOT. I know. What does the State Bar of Texas have to do with mongering backup plans, right? I’m talking about Sugar Babies on Tap. Back when I was playing in the sugar bowl, this was a pretty viable fallback plan. I’m sure it still is for those active SDs out there. And, yes, according to recent Erotic Highway posts, Asian SB’s are not impossible to find at all. Though I’m unsure of Korean SB availability.
* UTR girls. I used to always have at least 3 of these I stayed in touch with. But, since Covid, they’ve all moved on. However, Twoon and his gumiho/vampire girl is at least one example of an active UTR girl who remains in the area. I’m absolutely certain she’s not the only one. But, as always in the mongering world, I can’t prove it. The caveat here is that, in my experience, UTR girls don’t tend to have very flexible schedules. Though the experience of others may be very different.
Any other backup plan ideas? Or tales of backup plan successes? Or failures?
Reason #3 happened to me a few years ago with LV in North SJ.
Douchebag client just before me was so rough with her that PO messaged me about it, and LV subsequently quit and went back to Korea.
She was a relative newbie to the biz and we really clicked. Hope she recovered ok.
Based on useyrhead’s analysis, there’s a 2 in 5 chance you were bumped. I wouldn’t worry about it unless it happens again.
Have had sessions canceled many times over the years. POs have said, among other things, that the guy before me decided to extend so I was bumped. Have been canceled the morning of, while trying to confirm, on my way to an appointment (maybe 30 minutes before start time), and even one time while I was knocking on the door LOL.
Yeah, that last one was obviously due to the girl looking at my ugly mug through the peep hole.
Don't let it get you down, move on and don't think about it. if a particular agency does this on a regular basis then you might want to skip them in the future but it's your call.
I don't hold this crap against an agency or PO, at least if the girl is one who I really want to see.
when I'm seeing a new girl for the first time. All of my repeats are two hours (and I have done a few that were 3 when its the birthday of one of my regulars), so even though I have never asked to bump another monger, I know it has happened in order to accommodate a two-hour request. It has also happened TO me with the orgs that I use less frequently. Its part of the game, and you can't take it personally. The booker's job is to maximize the revenue stream and so two-hour sessions get priority in most instances.
I agree that Useyrhead's list contains some of the legit reasons for last-minute cancellations. To that list, I would add two more that are more common than you might think 1) Too much drinking the night before after work and she's hung over (which especially happens when you book 10:00a), and 2) a repairman or maintenance man is inside the apartment (usually a plumber unplugging a sink or toilet. A blocked toilet brings the whole schedule to an immediate halt until its fixed, for obvious reasons. Who can fuck while smelling a backed up toilet?).
To answer your question, the chances you were bumped go DOWN if you are requesting two hours, and down again if you are using that org at least 3-4 times a month, because there ARE mongers who are booking two hours AND using that org that often who will get priority whether they proactively ask of it, or not. Bumping to give priority to someone else is about 60-70% of the last-minute cancellations. The rest are comprised of all the reasons on Useyrhead;s list and the two I have added, put together.
I don't have anything to add, but just think that it's funny how you're trying to quantify this.
will attest, there are many things in the Kgirl scene that can be quantified relative to how often you hobby, how much time you book, how much you are spending with each org, and how much trouble it is for the booker and/or the girl to continue to accept your business. You can even quantify how long it will take you to learn things on your own based on these same factors.
Fortunately, there are many veterans here with knowledge you can acquire just by reading about their experiences. I won't name them all, because its apparent by the content of their posts which ones are veterans and which ones are still newbies. (I have nothing against newbies. Hopefully, they will stay in the Kgirl hobby long enough to become veterans in their own right.)
What is the value in attempting to quantify such things when the true volume of business is unknown? For example, what is your statistic of 60-70% based on?
I think every reply to the OP involves some level of quantification as there’s no way to answer with absolute confidence (i.e. 100%). The alternative to Yes, Bumped or No, Not Bumped can only be maybe.
My estimate was that there was a 40% chance he had been bumped. CDL’s estimate is 60-70%. You are correct that the true volume of business, cancellations and bumps is unknown (to us mongers). As far as your question as to what the value of assigning a percentage is, I would answer that it’s just a way of quantifying the “maybe” answer that has been the consensus of replies in this thread. Assigning a number gives us a differentiation that could lead to further discussion, if one were so inclined.
thousands of posts and PM's from mongers who have experienced last-minute cancellations over the years. There are some common threads form which reasonable estimates can be made. Since you didn't start here until TER re-emerged from the darkness of 2018-2019, I agree there have not been enough NEW posts on this topic, nor has it been a hot topic for PM's (most guys I talk with privately are veterans who know its common and just shrug it off as part of the game, as I said above), so if you are depending on THIS particular board to draw any conclusions, then you haven't been here long enough. There have been many other Kgirl boards over the years (AF, RB, LAks, all now closed, and others that are still open but cannot be mentioned on TER), where guys have posted about this happening to them with enough detail to conclude what it takes to avoid being bumped and how often bumping happens.
I'm not depending on any board to draw conclusions, because like I've implied, it makes little sense to me to try to rationalize why a specific instance of bumping occurred when you're not in contact with the girl. Once you consider that most mongers are not active online, it lends even less weight to the "thousands of posts and PM's" you've received.
I guess I view the use of such statistics in this context as an attempt to bolster your credibility on here, which confounds me, as I'm curious why anyone would care enough to do that.
P.S. Might I also add that your "having literally read" these posts and PM's sounds like a lot of second-hand information to me?
because I don't get bumped more than a couple times a a year, and its only with the orgs I am low-volume with, but compared to the number of sessions I have in a year, it doesn't move the needle much, for sure less than 1%, so yes, a lot of my conclusions are anecdotal from info gleaned from others that I trust to be reliable. .
If you spend time on any board, you get a sense of who knows what they are talking about after being there awhile, so even though its "second hand info", I deem it to be mostly reliable and in line with what bookers have told me. With PM's you get to know Kgirl mongers much better and can discuss their being bumped in private to get truly accurate information. Granted, when you are new and don't know very many people, it may work for you to be more skeptical, but that's not how to get to know guys on a personal level. Board personalities are often not the same as they are in PM's.
In other words, cdl is ok with relying on second-hand info as long as it fits his narrative and idea of credibility. But if someone like me uses second-hand info, it is criticized.
Did you expect anything else, floorhump?
Also, as usual, seems like cdls idea of solving this issue is simply becoming a vip who gets to bump others instead of being bumped. Whereas the issue on hand is exactly the people who are infrequent visitors getting the short end of the stick. The regular Joe's of the monger world, mongers who might see one girl per month, and then are fucked over in favor of frequent visitors. Imagine you booking your hotel room in advance and then getting kicked out when you come all ready to the door, because some vip decided to take it. Shit ass practice.
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Its important to learn which hobbyists write REAL reviews and which authors write FAKE reviews.
-Some write reviews so that they keep their VIP access for FREE.
-Some write reviews as an alternative form to old porn literature like Penthouse Forum.
-Some write reviews that are a grudge match.
-Some write reviews to grab bragging rights.
-CDL write reviews and that are obsessive, compulsive compositions of pure bullshit.
-Some members NO longer write reviews. its a personal choice to contribute and a high % no longer do so.
Secretly desiring the top spot on the TER home page, in the "News" Section (which features a provider each season), CDL can't make shit up fast enough at times.
His false narrative perspective is narrow at best. Yet CDL pretends to be "Mr. TER", offering advice based upon make believe bias. Veteran hobbyists object at his absolute positions as a "know-it-all" who offers misguided perception. When anyone takes a position opposite his, CDL breaks into hate filled rants. He often attacks Black, Brown, Mexican and Jewish providers.
So disregard CDL (and his alter ego CKS). They both live in an altered state when they peer into their computer screen. By sifting out the garbage you will find sound advice.
wtf, hilarious.
Priority is given to "vip" mongers or those who book for multiple hours often. It's a shitty practice, of course. It actually is very prevalent in the storefront amp world, where girls working there always prefer bird in the hand to the one in the bush.
There are a ton of other reasons to be canceled on, of course, like am y have mentiones, but many I fthese reasons can be ruled out if the girl is available later on in another time slot.
The problem with the practice is that you'll never be able to prove it and it always be a judgment call on your part. The girl and the PO will deny it in 99% of cases, especially if you're just a regular Joe and not an influencer/insider/etc.
Thanks for all the posts and good information! Always good when a thread is helpful and informative without any left field input! I hope I didn't jinx anything, LOL!
At the front door, huh! I 'd be pissed, but I wouldn't say anything, at least not out loud ^^! That's if I still wanted to use them.
Like the Richard Pryor joke where the bosses wife hits him on the head and he says, " well shit, god damn me, you mother fucker"! But, I said that to myself, now!
Thanks again and good mongering!
So you are effectively scared to say something to them because they have the power to bl you if you were to complain?
I wouldn't use the word scared, but sometimes you have to use discretion to play on their field! I also know there are other fields to play on! And I do play on them! Sometimes you have to play along to get along! But, if I do get pissed I'm not beyond taking it up a notch! However, I'm a grown man and have been around the block, a lot! I don't get offended, I get the pussy I want! That's the name of the game, right!
Apparently it wasn't seen that I put the laughing eyes at the end of the sentence, I was kind of joking!
I even added a Richard Pryor example for some humor! Google him if you don't know who he is!
PM me if you want the name of the skit.
And, I have walked away from orgs that I felt weren't right or didn't have anything I was interested in!
Personally, I'm well aware who Richard Pryor is, hell I'm a fan.
I just don't see any laughing matter in the serious topic about being bumped off. Being bumped off sucks and the more it can be minimized, the better off the mongers will be and the more fair the system will be. The less disappointment for regular Joe mongers, the better it is overall.
Have you walked away from orgs that bumped you off or you've felt bumped you off?
I stopped using an org that was doing bait & switch and calling it photo shopping. I've been asked to reschedule, but never after the session was confirmed! I have been penciled in to see if the girl would work that day. The booker said their girls confirmed a working day, the morning before that day, then you would be locked in. This is from a few different bookers I have used.
I wasn't joking about getting bumped, that does suck, just putting some humor out there! I guess I have to work on my delivery!
If an agency habitually abuses its clients then the clients should leave and give their money to more deserving businesses. If they have some bad/inexperienced providers that use their services, but generally provide a good value and service proposition then feedback for improvement is good for everyone.
It seems the days when humor on this board as possible have passed. Hopefully as more come back to TER, with the attitude you've been showing, there may be hope for the future.
The clients should at the very least let all the other bros, even those without premium access, that the agency is trash. Leaving silently is a disservice to
fellow mongers, because they are the ones who also gonna be fucked. Why would you want your fellow mongers to ever be disappointed the same way you did? Is it some kind of royal Nonesuch from Huck Finn?
“Hold on! Just a word, gentlemen.” They stopped to listen. “We are sold – mighty badly sold. But we don’t want to be the laughing stock of this whole town, I reckon, and never hear the last of this thing as long as we live. No. What we want is to go out of here quiet, and talk this show up, and sell the rest of the town! Then we’ll all be in the same boat. Ain’t that sensible?”
I also love how the whole attitude is "shit happens". Yeah shit happens when the girl gets sick, etc. No doubt.
Bumping off for VIP monger is not "shit happens". It's a deliberate BITCH move by someone who doesn't respect their clients, and does not treat them equally and justly. Why would you respect someone who does bitch moves? Why are we supposed just to shrug and say "AW shucks diddly poo I guess it wasn't my day" when someone is laughing in your face and doesn't respect you? Some apologists here are funny folks, they won't condemn a single shitty practice and they will always ask bu bu but what's the impact, what's the frequency, etc. Always downplaying and discrediting accounts of regular folk mongers gettinf fucked. They'd rather protect girls because I guess not enough girls are protected by white knights. Lol.
Can you name this org publicly, badger? Because I went through your reviews and couldn't find a hint.
What was the name of org that b&s'd you? I'm sure many fellow mongers would say thank you to you for letting them know,publicly. I certainly will be the first man to say that to you.
I know youre a bit more reasonable than resident white kngihts, so I have some faith in ya.
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I didn't do a review on that girl & org, don't exactly remember why. I know I didn't like the double cross and just said fuck it and fuck them! I had just returned from a hiatus and unfortunately, I didn't consider the power that could have been used against them and maybe make them straighten up and fly right, by doing a review! The first couple of times they used real out of date pics and when I asked about them the booker said photoshop! The last time was a straight out bait & switch and when I asked, they used the same excuse, PS'd! So, by then I was fed up and just walked! I think they're shut down, but it was acektownla! I haven't seen or cared anything about them!
Thanks man! That org had real shit rep and I'm glad it's gone.
My dude badger had no problem naming a shitty (albeit defunct) org in public. And I bet he can say good things about good orgs too.
I'm sorry for perhaps derailing your thread, sir. I feel strongly about bumping practice and I think overall mongers would be in much better place if such practices are eradicated. I also think they'd be in much better place if they had the balls to publicly post about bad as well as good, not just the latter! Kudos to you.
As far as legit cancelations, as a guy into service, the last thing I'd want to see is a disinterested, sick or dead-tired or drained girl. Unlike bumping, if the girl feels she cannot work, imo she should not work. Don't be Brett Favre on the Jets.So believe it or not I actually don't mind being canceled even last minute IFF it's a legit reason. Girls aren't robots and they shouldn't perform when they can't perform their best. Zero tolerance for bumping on a whim tho
No problem Rocket, I used them in the early days and didn't realize the practice of heavy PSing and B&S by the org's. Some of the Kgirls I was seeing were using their bodies, but blurring their face. Once you had visited them and saw the pic again you could see that is was them on the website! After that I could get an idea about how any new girls looked!
No derail that I could see! It stayed on topic and had a lot of good posts!
Just to be clear, the girls I was talking about were not from aceKtown! I only had trouble with aceKtown, nothing ever worked out, looks wise, with them! Service could be from ok to surprisingly good! I only saw maybe three girls and no repeats!
On the topic of getting bumped...
For your consideration and approval...
Kgirls consider the present and the future. We mongers are placed in a 'pecking order' to help the kgirl achieve financial freedom in the now and retirement. Can you really blame them!!??
Sure good looks, charm and magical abilities on our part keep us in the loop but don't ever think these qualities trump ca$h.
So, we can get bumped by a regular who wants to purchase our time slot for the rest of the day, whole day, weekend, etc.
There was a time when I'd like to get an appointment on a Friday or Saturday night at 8 pm or 9 pm for an hour. There are long standing appointments by VIPs for that slot and I'd bump em or they'd get my prebook canceled.
It is what it is...
YEMV
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But maybe that's just me who cares about well being and fairness to regular Joe mongers,and will take it any time over pussy.
It's really simple, ask yourself, would you *ever* like to be the guy who's bumped? I bet not, so why would you *ever* do the same to another brother?
This especially goes for bumps off whim for VIP mongers, and not the cases of renting a girl out for a day, etc. In such cases I hope - from the very, very bottom of my heart - that the girl and the org never gets a single dime off the bumped monger again. And I similarly sincerely hope that he becomes aware of such situation, by any means necessary. Truth tends to come out; shit practices that think they can bump mongers at whim, need to be eradicated with a goddamn flamethrower.
Think about it - if you had an appointment with a doctor and you knew he bumped you because he simply had another patient he liked more than you, scheduled for the same time-what would you do? Personally, Id find another doctor, and make sure on every forum/site that reviews the doctor this shitty practice is well documented. The great thing about the jnternet is that it gives voices to regular Joe's, ie guys who get bumped rather than bumped for.
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I received a text from the booker and was told the girl was sick and to give it a couple of days for her to get better. Period, maybe? Total time frame would be 4 or 5 days, so that fits. Plus, booker did reach out!
I'd ask for a negative covid test just to be sure! If she's on BC, I'd imagine her period and recovery time would last less than 5 days, if she even has one.
Period was my guess. The 4 to 5 day time was my estimation. From when it started and then was told give it a day or two.
First, sorry it happened to you and glad to hear that you got the answer and it was not you getting bumped by a higher valued client. (Just as an aside I don't really know if it is worth caring about the why -- regardless you don't get the appointment when you planned. It's not like this type of last minute cancellation never happens in the "real world".)
But I have to say I cannot think of a single time it has ever happened to me. I am sure I'm not one of the clients that is going to be granted special treatment.
So I'm wondering, who else has had a last minute cancellation (or even a bit of lead time cancellation) and what would they say the frequency has been (cancellations over total scheduled sessions)?
Here goes Jensen, likely trying to downplay the practice by asking about the frequency. Even one time is too fucking many, what difference does it make if the frequency is one in 10 or in 50?
Here's a quote by a certain "bobthunderballs" from another forum
"LOL, the girl wanted to see me and my $ more than she did the other guy’s. I don’t remember if it was her idea or mine to cancel the other guy. I think she may have offered it to me if I took his hours"
Dont be like that guy (he has posted in this thread btw).
I personally had several last minute cancelations. Literally at time of appointment I text that I parked and then waiting for green light and he says not available anymore. Obviously no PO will tell me the reason. I had to scramble all those times to get appointment with someone else from another org because the replacement PO has offered have been subpar products or just someone I didn't want to see. Ended up losing at least half an hour because of this. And sometimes when there's a cancelation in back to backs I lost an hour of fucking I could've had.
In all but one case of last momsnt cancelation, the PO has not even said so much as "sorry" or acknowledged it was not ideal. They really think it's normal and don't give a shit about customers.
with the guy that was bragging about bumping another guy's session?
Go ahead and ignore the bit I said about how it really doesn't matter why your session might have been cancelled, or that multiple causes were listed or that in this case we're told it had nothing to do with being bumped for someone else. Whatever the reason you miss you session and it really doesn't matter if you think the reason was legitimate or not.
I suppose we're all expect to assume for some reason these girls and agencies need to be held to a higher standard than other businesses because I sure as hell have experienced more cancellations and rescheduling of work and meetings outside seeing hookers than with them. But then you only have the very broad brush to paint the "orgs" with and keep trying to tell everyone that the ones we have here are just like yours (with 0 experience with them at that -- what were you taking CLD to task for about again?)
No, I was not equating your question with what that guy (again, he's in this thread) said. I merely said, I think you're asking the question in order to downplay the shitty practice. Everything else in my post had nothing to do with you or your question.
I did not ignore any of the stuff you've said. I disagree with it. The reasoning behind the cancelation matters a ton, just like intent matters. If my doctor canceled my appointment to jack off, I would not continue to see this doctor. If my doctor cancels my appointment because he liked another patient better... I wouldn't continue to see this doctor. To say that we're holding orgs to standards higher than other businesses is absurd. If we were to know the reason for appointment cancelation, you're saying we would not be appalled at cancelations on a whim? Double booking as well as preferential client systems are not well tolerated in service professional industry.
I know - and yes, that does come from "hearsay" - that plenty of people in your area are getting double booked, BLd for no reason, b&s with pics that are twenty years and twenty pounds off, and so on. All of your orgs do the same thing. Be it beg aka clubvip, discreet story, AG and so on. Many girls - who aren't innocent at all in this whole "preferable monger" conundrum- tour all around the country, and I'd estimate that a third of girls in your area spend time in the bay area.
Are you gonna tell me with a straight face that none of this is going on in your area? LOL sure. The beautiful thing about internet is that there are plenty of ways to gather information. And disgruntled mongers who aren't vips and insiders who have ties to bookers like Michelle (let's say, someone like klientdmv) , will talk, maybe not publicly because they're afraid that orgs will read it and go after them, but they will talk about the bad practices.
I'm not sure what you meant about your last bit about "cld". If this is about cdl and how it is in his backyard, I know well how his favorite orgs and bookers treat mongers who don't give good reviews. Many orgs in LA are sister orgs to bay orgs anyway and LA girls visit bay and vice versa, I'd say 66% of LA girls. So yeah. Practices there are very similar to our practices.
There are enough people who aren't afraid to talk about shit pactices in public regarding LA orgs. Maybe not on this forum. And about bay orgs, not even close. Also I've got enough complains about some NYC orgs, and EPM in Philly. I'm writing all of this down, of course.
It’s all a matter of perspective. I don’t think most readers took his answer as an attempt to downplay the practice of bumping. But your perspective is unique. You really are invested in tracking bad experiences with the orgs/POs, so any incidence of such an experience seems like a bigger deal to you.
That’s understandable, as with you experiencing multiple last minute cancellations, it seems like a big problem to you. Just remember that you’re the exception, and not the rule. I just don’t think there are many guys here who have experienced the cancellation level that you have.
At the end of the day, the OP asked if he had been bumped for a VIP monger. We can discuss it forever but we’ll never know. It’s all speculation. Thinking we’re going to “fix” a problem here is just tilting at windmills.
I don't really get how you can say I'm the exception, when a certain invidual in this very thread says, I quote,
"Have been canceled the morning of, while trying to confirm, on my way to an appointment (maybe 30 minutes before start time), and even one time while I was knocking on the door LOL"
Guess who bragged about bumping off someone else?
Again, I'm not invested in just tracking down bad experiences necessarily; I'm invested in holding orgs/girls accountable for shit practices and put heat under their ass and call them out publicly...as well as protect the regular Joe mongers from such practices.ike I've said many times, there are plenty of white knights who protect the girls religiously. Where is protection for mongers who get screwed over?
It's very simple
Double bookings
Bumping off for VIP clients
Bait and switch
Pics that are 20 years ago and 25 pounds off
Advertising same girl ad two different ones
Blacklisting or chiding for negative reviews
Are all shit practices that I will call out for specific orgs and girlsand bookers. Just like I called out Tim aka Alex in oc/sd. Just like I'm calling out cindy/lily at epm. I sincerely hope what they make off each shit practice they lost trifold. Treat mongers, however infrequent visitors, fairly, or I will be on their ass.
And people who attempt to downplay shit practices and sweep them under the rug for the sake of pussy, I will be happy to call out.
You cited two, including yourself, who have experienced multiple last minute bumps. I can cite at least two here, including myself, who haven’t experienced a last minute bump. I venture to say those are exceptions and the rule falls somewhere in between our two different experiences.
You lump in a host of grievances together, but fail to discern that intentional bumping is something that’s virtually impossible to pin down. You never can really know if you were bumped due to illness, a delayed flight, or preference given to a VIP monger. So why dwell on it? I think it’s more emotionally healthy to shrug off a first time occurrence and move on to the next provider. Far better than dwelling on it and stewing in your own juices.
I think it's time you re-read the thread.
First: Bluedragon, well known by his other aliases here, openly says korgs do this. He's from Nova. He's directly connected to bookers. So that's at least three people in this thread talking about bumps they themselves experienced.
Second: I DID "discern that intentional bumping is something that’s virtually impossible to pin down"
This is my direct quote: "
The problem with the practice is that you'll never be able to prove it and it always be a judgment call on your part. The girl and the PO will deny it in 99% of cases, especially if you're just a regular Joe and not an influencer/insider/etc."
However, I also gave examples when it was possible to pin down. One guy elsewhere bragged about bumping another monger.
Finally, how you arrived to your initial statement that these accounts are exceptions are not rule, given that your limited sample size tally was 2 to 2, is beyond me. And even more people acknowledged that you will get bumped. And that's not even getting jnto double booking, which is very closely related to the topic on hand.
Also, seems to me you're confusing tilting at windmills with me attacking shitty practices. Instead of downplaying shrugging and effectively eating the shit you're given instead of a meal, I merely suggest airing the people who give you shit and throw the shit back at them as hard as possible. Even one unhappy monger is one too many.
Great reply.
Keep up the good work, dude.
That statement was about the bouquet - or collection - of bad practices. A bump is just one of them.
But here's another way of finding out which orgs/girls do bumps - you can test it out if you have different numbers for yourself (which I do). Perhaps too complicated for those who don't like snooping around or testing things, but it's yet another, quite elegant and beautiful way to see how much love of money trumps customer satisfaction. Orgs/girls that have some hint of conscience will not bump your original number.
If you have some trusted mongers nearby is to have them try to schedule at your spot and see what happens. Especially if some of them include vips/"insiders". Or maybe they go for 2hrs.
It's a super easy test that exposes practices and answers. It is helpful when you think you might be BLd and it's helpful when you think they are full of shit.
Needless to say, if a girl accepts your second number or another monger appointment at your time, it is NOT
* Girl got sick
* Previous client got rough with the girl
* The house decided to throw a party for one of the girls (no kidding)
And you just got bumped. And have proof of shitty practice. And BTW, useryrhead also said he's had last minute cancelations. How come you didn't count him?
Once again I don't care what my cancelation was. I care about eradicating shirt practices. If they engage in shitty practices, air them out to make them want to engage in them less. Simple and succinct.
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First: Bluedragon, well known by his other aliases here, openly says korgs do this. He's from Nova. He's directly connected to bookers. So that's at least three people in this thread talking about bumps they themselves experienced.
Let's note: 1) he DID NOT SAY he experienced bumps himself, and 2) he said "thought not that often".
I think you get too much information from Jackson's board and the yahoos that post there. I'm not sure why they have so many grievances. The world just ain't that bad...lol.
So you are saying he's citing hearsay? Interesting.
Since you're at it, maybe you can also translate "thought not that often" into English.
I get my info from plenty of places, some of which you and others might be surprised about.
Your assumptions are hilarious. Shitty practices are shitty practices no matter how you slice it or what excuse you use to defend it.
you had tried to have the discussion I was starting you might have contributed to producing an answer to you question about just what "though not that often" might really mean.
Though I'm not sure you care as your response earlier was something along the lines of "even once is too much" -- though I suspect you meant that to apply only to getting bumped by a high value session -- i.e., something that makes the girl and the business more money (a profit maximizing behavior by a business).
The quote is "thought not that often", I've been called out for "misinterpreting" typos so I wanted to make sure this is indeed what he meant.
The whole concept of "its OK because it doesn't happen often" is just one hilarious fallacy.
Imagine if you apply it to shit practices when it comes to the girls
"customer was asked to not cip but he did. It's OK it's not that frequent"
"customer videotaped her but hey it's OK it's not that frequent"
See how that sounds? I'm sure you will cry false equivalency, but that's essentially what your justification for shitty practices is. You just have different standards when it comes to bobz/vagene having seller rather than penis-wielding buyer.
I just know how white knights think.
Shitty practices are just that - shitty practices. One way or the other way. It's NOT false equivalency. Unless you think that mongers don't matter but girls do. In this case, you're simply employing double standards and being hypocritical. Think of shitty things that mongers can do and think of shitty things the other side can do. If you assume a priori that somehow the latter is difernt from the he former, you are clearly very biased.
I like how you've yet to address my way to test
So I'm gonna ask you directly -
If I test with one number getting an appointment and use another monger/my other number to bump myself off, does this constitute enough proof that an org/PO/girl bumps people off?
I believe there is only one answer. If so, then don't you think it's fair game to call them out for shit practice?
Until then all you are doing is saying "Here is thing the is bad by definition. Isn't it fair game to call it bad?."
Note, the entire thread started with the very question about was the cancellation due to a bad cause (bumped for a "better client") or an acceptable cause (sick, period. etc.). So rather than just acting on belief do the experiment and get some actual data to base an position on. It wasn't a thread about how giving preferred treatment to special clients was or was not a practice that is liked or supported.
By definition? Gotta admit I'm pleasantly surprised by you even saying that.
And yet neither you (prior to this post) nor cks have said explicitly that yes, it's a shitty practice that does not make anyone look good.
If you were to just say that and not argue with me, guess what? I would have close to nothing to say. But that's not what happened, right?
All I've heard was "but the frequency". When I told about my experience, (which I actually don't consider too bad myself, ironically), I was told I'm the exception, and people used this thread as argument even though more people in this thread have admitted to being canceled on than not.
All people from my area, and even your shill klient from nova.
Then when I said shit practices should be called out, there was "but how do you prove" question , which Im sure I put to rest. You won't be able to prove a particular instance, but you will be able to prove if this agency does shitty practice. Which is more than enough to call them out.
You're asuming that I haven't had done the experiment. I have. It works. Works even better for bl/girl availability purposes.
Once again, if everyone called a shitty practice a shitty practice that is actually a deliberate practice, I wouldn't say a peep. But it was a bunch of "cest LA vie" and "what can you do" "unlucky" and so on. Has nothing to do with luck and has to with people doing shitty things.
Is the girl "unlucky" by running into a customer who treats her unfairly? No, that's solely on the shoulder of a POS customer. Is a monger "unlucky" by running into shitty practice? No, that's solely on the shoulder of POS provider/po/possibly org owner
All people from my area, and even your shill klient from nova.
Aand please note the use of scare quotes by which I mean that I do not agree with your use of the term.
Just wanted to make that nuance of human language clear for you, Spectrum Computer boy.
I didnt know that posting a lot was a prerequisite to being a shill.
Pretty sure it isn't.
I did notice the absence of quotes for "Spectrum Computer" term. Does this mean I disagree with the term now, even tho I have no clue what it means, since I put scared quotes around it?
Is this term supposed to be some insult or something? Lol.
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First, your use of quotes below is clearly not a scare quote usage. Rather, you are using the marks to denote a direct quotation!
Second, I guess you missed the post in our earlier discussion regarding your lack of understanding of human language in which I attempted to explain my name for you.
Third, it is not an insult. Just how I think of you - you clearly relate better to computers than people and seem to have an emotional capacity on the autistic spectrum.
I did notice the absence of quotes for "Spectrum Computer" term. Does this mean I disagree with the term now, even tho I have no clue what it means, since I put scared quotes around it?
Is this term supposed to be some insult or something? Lol.
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You mean I used it to refer to a term? Right. I do not remember you explaining your name at all, but it's a common name anyway.
I dont relate to computers more than people.
I get off more on seeing karma materialize and shitty actors getting what they deserve, than any pussy in the world. No organic body feeling can compare to the feeling of justice catching up.
I don't believe computers experience schadenfreude,do they? It's purely a human feeling concept. So is the feeling of justice,for example a group (monger clients) being unjustly marginalized and unprotected.
It's really simple, really. If you engage in a shitty practice, be prepared to be called out. If you don't wanna be called out as a bitch, don't do a shitty practice. Simple! If you engage in shitty practice to earn more money, prepare to be called a greedy bitch. Simple, too.
Dont like it? Dont do it. You wanna engage in shitty practice and not be called out in public? Be prepared to be called a greedy hypocritical bitch who cares about public opinion.
For other hobbies/industries, there are entities that protect consumers. There are no such entities that protect mongers. But theres tons of people who protect the girls. I'm simply standing up for little guys, regular joes and non-vip mongers who deserve more respect and no shitty practices. That's all. Good day to you sir.
You just really can't understand contextual information bodied in human language. It is a pretty interesting case.
"I attempted to explain my name for you" meant that I tried to explain why I called you "Computer Spectrum boy".
LOL, and you thought it meant the statement "I tried to explain the name Kyungjean TO you".
Thanks for clarifying - this indeed makes more sense. My bad for misreading.
Ah, another thread forced to the right margin by the little rocket felcher. It must really suck to be him. If only he could find a job, or a friend, or an Org that hasn’t black-listed him. A sad little fella is he!
Does anything about this guy’s posts lead you to believe that:
1. He would actually perform a properly designed experiment. Or if he’d actually do it himself rather than say he heard about it being performed on some other board?
2. On the off chance that he actually designed and performed a well designed experiment (if that could even be done in the mongering world), what is your confidence that he would be able to perform an unbiased analysis of the results?
It is far more likely that he would do what he has always done since joining this board. He would put together some convoluted hypothetical and then claim it proves his point.
But, who knows? He’s bound to actually get something right every now and then.
It’s absolutely a false equivalency, and while I’m not about to break out a syllabus of a Logic 101 course to deconstruct the fallacy, I’ll make a very obvious point. There’s NO comparison between a criminal robbing or sexually assaulting a provider and the inconvenience of having a date cancelled.
As far as your test goes? A theory that looks good on paper, but fails to deliver when attempted in the real world. Are you expecting us to believe that you’ve used a second number to successfully get yourself bumped? You’ve NEVER called out an org/PO that was exposed using this method. And you never will (if you’re committed to telling the truth here). Did you forget your “second number” needs to get screened? If you’re established with targeted organization with your “real number”, do you think they would bump for a “second number” that had never even been to the place before? What are you going to do if the organization DOESN'T bump your initial request? Follow through with the appointment and spend $$$ to find out they don’t bump? Are you going to announce the non-bumping PO’s as well?
1. Filming provider is hardly robbing her. And I get it, any shit tactic by org/provide is merely "inconvenience"
2. Huh? Who said the second number never been to the place before? What the hell are you talking about?
I'm talking about having two or more established numbers for the same org. Many orgs here and in LA only go off references and don't require full pii shit. I personally have several different numbers I use for same orgs, and I never gave so much as my real name or id to anyone. And never will, most likely. I value my pii info.
If you don't like several different number strategy, I've suggested using a fellow monger as a second number. Its super effective when you have two points of references which are two different people in the org eyes. You don't have to ask yourself "am I blacklisted" "does the girl discriminate against me" and so forth.
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What are you going to do if the organization DOESN'T bump your initial request? Follow through with the appointment and spend $$$ to find out they don’t bump?"
If the org doesn't bump me off I take the appointment. Duh. I'm sure there's someone you want to see at the org in question. If not, can cancel - if not last minute, usually not a big deal.
Besides, Im willing to spend money to expose shit tactics. Shit practices should and need to be called out.
No, I'm not going to announce non-bumping Pos or providers as well. You dont get a cookie for doing shit you're supposed to do as a seller of a good. Unless you want to claim that everyone bumps people off, then maybe. I'd like to believe you guys that it's not an everyday occurrence.
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Since you haven’t called out any orgs that bumped you as a result of this testing method, I’m going to assume it’s ZERO.
Times bumped for another monger: 0
Times not bumped: ?
Sure thing. I love to experiment and research. Just the other day I managed to dig up some very, very peculiar public records related to clubvip fiasco in May.
Anyhow. the experiment, with two different orgs
1. Number #1, Profile: my main number that I generally use. Profile: a visit usually every week or two weeks
2. Number #2, Profile: about one visit per month or two. Pretty much regular joe shit
3. Number #3, number I established a bit longer ago than #2. Profile: about one visit per month. Fallback/reference generator for other orgs
4. Number #4 - a very trusted monger's number; a regular with few girls he sees often - sometimes many times a week
Numbers 1, 2 and 3 only have age, race and name established for both orgs. They do have references. Trusted monger has his number associated with his info for other orgs but for the org I used it with he only had refs (just like me)
"Success":
Number #4 was chosen for a specific girl monger buddy is a regular of - he sees her usually two-three times a week.
First, I scheduled around his preferred time (late evening) on a day he usually does not see her.
I was confirmed to have this time.
A few hours later, monger budddy contacted booker and asked to see his regular girl at same time. Booker first said he will check with the girl. After about 15 mins he said hes good to go
Monger buddy lets me know
A bit more than hour before the appointment as I am supposed to confirm and say Im on my way, I get text saying last appointment is an hour before and confirm for this time instead. I say I cant make it. he says cancel ? Im like um yeah cancel we scheduled for that time and now youre saying see her now when Im an hour away lol.
status: "success". shitty org with shitty practices.
"no bump":
Contact PO and make appointment with number #3 for another org
Wait a couple of hours and try with my #1 number. Maybe not VIP enough or regular enough, I get the reply that shes fully booked.
status: "failure" but a good thing, of course.
I'd say, having a monger is a better way and you really need to setup your numbers so to as have some elevated status. Is this way perfect or accessible? No, it isn't. Still, it is "a" way. Way better than just shutting up and taking it up from the behind,pretty sure
Times bumped for other monger:1 (org: Sam's shop in the bay)
Times not bumped for other monger:1
If anyone else does this I'll be very interested to know the results.
Small sample size, will do more in the future. This is solely for the bump experiment.
So after trusted monger booked his regular girl, and got you bumped, did trusted monger stop seeing the girl?
Didn't you just say you didn't monger for most of 2020 or 2021? How are you maintaining those different profiles if that's the case? If you meant to say that the frequency for those profiles was before 2020, then I don't know of any agencies that respect status for more than a few months, much less a year and a half.
high volume, i.e., 6-10 sessions at the same org in a month, they will keep you in their client list for years. I'm still getting text messages announcing the arrivals of new girls at orgs I have not patronized since the beginning of 2018. If you respond once in awhile that you're in a relationship right now, but you will come back when it eventually blows up, it will keep your name on the list for another two or three years.
If you had two sessions with an org and then you are gone for a year, then yes, there's a good chance you might be purged from their files. I have encountered this a few times in the past ten years in cities that I visit on business infrequently, and since I won't have any local refs, my only chance to get screened again on short notice is to find a girl I know (if possible) who is touring that city, text her and tell to to clear me to see her with her booker. After she gets me in, then I know I can see any other girls on that same booker's roster. If I'm there for a week, that's enough time to show some volume depth by seeing two or three other girls before I leave, which will keep me on the list for awhile. Then hopefully, I get back to that city again before he purges me again. Lol
What cities are you referring to where they will only keep you on their customer list for only a few months? That sounds pretty unusual to me unless you only had ONE session at that org and never went back.
In other posts you are the fucking expert on indi's when in face you seldom review indi's...so in that sense you are closer to your knowledge points. However aside from your foolish MAKE BELIEVE international forays like London and Korea you've only really researched a few markets (OC, LA, LV). The rest of it is PURE BULLSHIT.
So spare the board the space and the hobbyists from the garbage and stop playing make believe god here...like you really have a wide knowledge base.
Can anyone else corroborate this? Why would a business, with an almost-inexhaustible stream of demand, treat you like a high-volume monger for years after you stopped seeing them. They care about profit. Why would they give perks to someone in the hopes that they return to use their service? They can easily find tens of mongers to fill the financial void you've left behind. Same thing goes for the relationship business. Why would they care about that? Once you stop paying, it makes little sense for them to maintain your status for "another two to three years". How did you come up with those numbers, by the way? Sounds like yet another thing you pulled out of your ass.
but when I took a break from mid 2019 to the end on 2019 the one agency still operating in 2019 (the other, unfortunately got closed down by LE) that I was with didn't bat an eye when I texted for an appointment. I was something of a long time customer but hardly a high volume one. Sometimes I would not even go there for a month or so (better choices at the other place) but sometimes I would be there 3 or 4 times in a month.
Just mentioned it had been a while since my last visit and they just said "who and what time". So that is over 2 years. I'm sure some others on the board here have experienced the same. Number stays on file and if you were in good standing the door is still open for you. Not sure why you think leaving a number in the database is so much trouble or a cost the agency would need to avoid. I would also expect that different agencies might have different policies.
Maybe it's futile to answer this if you're not part of an agency, but I'm not talking about them keeping your number in their system. I'm referring to status, which you failed to address in your response. Will an agency maintain status after close to a year or more of not visiting them? So far, both you and BDP have failed to answer this.
What's a "BDP?"
It's not a "what", but rather, a "who" and in this case it's you. You should know it by now, Bouche-de-poulet. I can't believe I have to repeat what Rocket has said before, but look at you ignoring my prompt.
It was meant to draw attention to how important reading is for young people and how much fun it is to read.
You are so self absorbed in being understood that you don't take the time to read. So here is what you questioned:
both you and BDP have failed to answer this.
DUH--BDP is a poster. What's don't you understand?
A simple apology will suffice. That means three words. No rationalizations. No insults.
You've never done this before. It will be so much fun for us to read.
What status are you talking about?
The only status that seems important here is their willingness to let you make and get an appointment. As I noted for me, my status must still have been good as I was able to make the appointment without any issues or screening.
It seems like you're missing the premise of Rocket's experiment which is that different visit frequencies equate to differential treatment when it comes to getting bumped. I'm challenging that the visit frequencies he lists in his 4 different profiles remain relevant to agencies after more than a year of not using them. That's the status I'm referring to.
No, my premise was NEVER that. I merely described profiles of different accounts so it has some context.
It doesn't really matter to me why or what metrics are used for a bump. I couldn't care any less. All it matters is that there is a bump. I am not interested in excuses. I am interested in outcome. You can't work, cancel the appointment. That's fine. Even lst minute cancel is fine. Bump tho? Not fine.
If the context of the profiles had no impact on your experiment, why mention it?
I did not say it had no impact. I said, it was never the premise that certain profile get preferrrential treatment. Yes they do, but the goal was never to tie the profile to degree of preference.
The most important profile there so far is of a trusted monger who also is a regular of the girl.
As to why mention it? I am a big believer in the concept of "the nore info for context =the better"
I expected less questions would be asked and less accusations flying around by people who dislike what I'm doing here.
True, I keep him on ignore so if I'm logged in I don't see his posts and even when I read without logging in a try not to read them most of the time but find I have to check now and then or he spins his stories. I just saw that post a few minutes ago.
I don't understand why you think it would be a problem keeping that information around for as long as they keep the number around. People tend not to change much so if an old client used to be high volume returned and called they might reasonable expect similar results as before.
I have not idea just how much effort they put into data but it would be really simple to put an expect value for answer a call from number nnn-nnn-nnnn. As you noted they are in this as a business and the main goal is making a profit. Normal profit maximizing approach would be to prioritize customers based on value contribution to the bottom line, and particularly from an ongoing, repeat relationship perspective. And, as you noted there are a lot of interested customers but what you didn't mention is that a lot of those are the ones that are interested in one visit and then off for something new.
Near zero cost of keeping the information that was already generated and a very non-zero expected gain of considering giving that have value customer preference when the call. Of course if he shows for one session and then is gone for another year before coming back clearly the track record is changing so might be downgraded or something. But why would you think that would be any different than just keeping the number around but forgetting about all the prior history?
Again, the point is not whether they would forget your previous history, but whether they would continue to treat you as a high-volume, valuable client after more than a year of not using them. In what industry does status remain relevant after a long period of disuse?
My question is why would they change it if they have the information and the person previously demonstrated the valued behavior as a frequent flier as it were. They are not really incurring much, if any, of a cost in thinking the past would be an indication of current behavior.
For travel related status for me it's been a year or two that I need to make the cut offs in activity. That activity could be very lumpy in terms of when I engage in the activities that grant me the program status level. So I can easily go most of a year, or more, without using the services and still maintain status. The criteria is amount of business in some period rather than distribution within some time period the amount was generated. Obviously the status and related benefits are not without cost to the business entity I work with and I suspect those costs will play a role in maintenance period length for keeping the status level.
But for the K-agencies I'm not sure there is much of a cost to them for just accepting prior behavior will be repeated when an old customer returns so they could just let the person prove they changed before reassessing the status granted. So they could operate with a longer maintenance period for keeping status I would think.
Raising the question about the claimed experiment with multiple numbers when rocket tells us he's not been making appointments about a year and a half made sense. But I do think we have real observations suggesting the agencies do welcome old customers back without needing to re-establish and have not heard anyone mentioning that they were treated differently on return from how they were before. Weak evidence for the idea status is maintained for the same duration but we're not hearing stories that suggest any loss of status on return.
Although there is a “almost-inexhaustible” demand for KGirls, my experience here in the Washington DC market is that the agencies are very risk averse to having to screen new clients. From following the regional board, it seems there are some long established agencies here that will go months without accepting new clients. Yet if you’ve had several appointments and are using the same phone number to contact them, it’s possible to go for months without a visit and then pick up the phone and successfully schedule a same day appointment.
I think he is conflating “almost-inexhaustible” demand with there being a similar amount of customers who can pass screening at the various orgs. Sure, everyone in their right mind wants to see Kgirls, but many cannot pass screening. This is a frequent lament of many would-be Kgirl mongers on several Kgirl discussion boards, not just here.
The places that get busted are the ones with lax screening. When you hear of a bust, its NEVER due to outstanding police work, its because the booker didn't do his job and let something slide on the screening process and an undercover LEO gets through. The ones who have never been busted want to stay that way, and so they are harder to get into.
There are also many new guys who don't want to give up any personal info, like employment, in order to pass the screening, so even though these guys are part of the perceived "demand", they have already taken themselves out of the game, which in turn, REDUCES demand for Kgirls.
Bookers know once they have screened a guy, and then have gotten the reports back from the first few girls he saw, if he is going to be a good customer, and if so, there is no reason to take him off their list unless he is inactive, or does not communicate with them, over a period of years, not months.
Being on the black balled list throughout the DC/MD/VA market CKS is painfully aware that once you are a dick to agencies they flip the switch to off.
Isn't that why you "service" CDL these days?
Come on asshole, tell the truth. WE know it is hard, unlike your buddy who is eternally limp. At least he can't hurt the back of your throat, right?
Nice catch. Looks like you’ve discovered what I’ve believed for a long time: The little rocket felcher is long on rhetoric and has a vivid imagination, but he’s very short on character and integrity. He just makes shit up to advance his vendetta against KOrgs and KGirls hoping guys won’t call him out like you did and I have (I’ve had him on ignore for a few months; that’s why I’m no longer in his arguments). The sooner more guys realize this and ignore him the sooner we’ll have less threads running into the right margin.
I never had a problem with you besides you slinging personal insults at me, my family and so forth.
1.
I'll let everyone know, I pride myself on my integrity. Even in instances where a lie or not telling truth or sucking up would be extremely beneficial to get info, "friendship" and so forth, I put integrity over such connections every single time. I lost a lot of potential benefits by refusing to be bribed or "go with the flow".
2. I don't have any vendetta against korgs or kgirls. Corgs and cgirls, and especially non-Asian agencies or independents are even more guilty of these practices most of the time. I simply know korgd/corgs/storefront amp scene the best so I talk about it. I like kgirls, and said many times they are troopers and they give by far the best service. That's why I mostly use korgs over other agencies.
My issue is providers and agencies takin advantage of mongers and practicing bad practices. Since mongers don't have anything and anyone to give them protection from such practices, I call these out. About the only tools mongers have publicly are forums and reviews. And even then, when they voice their opinions, they are often attacked by white knights, "senior members" , people who traded truth for pussy or connections and agency reps themselves who bully them for not writing good reviews.
By publicly naming them and listing their shit practices, I merely attempt to have them fuck off and care about customers rights and satisfaction instead of money.
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I left TER on when I fell asleep last night and when I looked at it this morning I was logged out and I could see the posts of folks I have on ignore, so I saw your response. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP! If your goal was to protect vulnerable mongers, you would:
1. Post reviews of your dates, and specifically post full and complete reviews of the ladies (and their Orgs) who you claim have deceived you through fake or deceptively photoshopped photos. That would actually help and/or protect vulnerable mongers. You haven't posted a review since March 2020 - 20 months ago - so you're doing the exact opposite of what you espouse. At the same time, you're on here posting and arguing on the Discussion Boards virtually every day, so either you're mongering and withholding reviews, or you're not mongering and you're just another troll like the guys who stalk cdl.
2. Name/Identify the orgs who have bumped you, and identify the orgs who you've caught in your *alleged* bumping tests. If your goal is to protect vulnerable mongers you would put these orgs on blast by names so the vulnerable mongers would know not to go there and get mistreated and/or ripped off. But you don't, meaning you're either lying about being bumped and conducting these *alleged* tests, or you're just another troll like the guys who stalk cdl.
You're right you've never had a problem with me, because I post honest reviews and name names of ladies who provide inferior service or use old or fake photos. I've told you a couple of times I don't disagree with your premises. What I object to is that you inject your *issues* in most of the threads you participate in, and you argue over and over with anyone who doesn't completely agree with your premises. I, like most of the guys and ladies on here, come on TER to share information, find compatible ladies, and stay safe in the hobby. Your repeated arguments, regurgitating the same premises over and over in thread after thread, push threads into the right margin and we, hobbyists and providers alike, have to read through your trash in our quest for helpful information about our collective hobby. You actually hinder us more than you could ever help.
So, based upon this analysis I have concluded, with a very high degree of confidence, that you have deep personal issues with KGirls and/or KOrgs. Whether it's because you've been blacklisted, banned or blocked by KGirls and/or KOrgs? Or because a KGirls giggled at your tiny micro-penis or poor sexual performance? Or maybe it's something deeper and you have severe mental illness? I don't know. But I do know that you make the Boards, and specifically the KGirl Board, less enjoyable for guys and ladies like me searching for valuable information about the hobby. And that's why even though I haven't seen your posts for months when I see you driving a thread into the right margin I occasionally chime in and comment about your bad behavior, hoping that peer pressure or reproval might encourage you to stop. But it doesn't, making severe mental illness the most likely source of the vitriol that drives you. Personally, I hope you get professional help, not for our sake but for yours.
And with that, you're back on ignore again.
You've accused me of having no integrity. I've answered that I pride myself on integrity.
It wasn't a secret that I wasn't mongering for a long period of time in 2020 and 2021. I've openly stated as much. Yet, one can be on the sidelines and still help players on the field.
I did name the orgs in my tests, you should read my posts closer when you're not ignoring them. I never hesitated to name names. I also named CL l in vegas, beg in nova, ebk and Sam's shop (again), Asian health club/asianworld/sandiegoasiangirls (cdls bud shop) and so forth for other transgressions.
I already said I don't have problems with korgs and kgirls, anymore so than other agencies or indies. You can find me arguing in general forum too, about monger rights and providers' shitty practices.
Mental illness? Well, we are on a forum where we talk about buying pussy with money. Yes, stepping up and laying out for the Johns who buy sex, with my persistence, can maybe be perceived as such. But as you've noticed, I don't care about public opinion.
You should know that peer pressure does not get to me. When I arrived at this forum I had the opportunity to join shitting on big papa. But I didn't. Because he hasn't done anything to me and I haven't seen why I should join in a public beat_ing. People told me he hated kgirls, but I saw that he was bitter towards kmongers and the superiority complex they had over regular mongers and other providers. Did I agree with him? Not really, I like all mongers who aren't white knights. But I saw no reason to gang up on a fellow monger. Plus I knew that people on here had no idea that I would not let go of my convictions and beliefs, and I figured eventually I'd be in the same boat for some people. Like I've said, I'm willing to die for my beliefs, is it illness? Maybe. But I firmly think if any of your beliefs can be bought or compromised, what are they really worth? It's just a business decision then, not your beliefs.
Have a nice day brother. I'd probably rather have someone who doesn't like me who does what I preach, then the other way around. Although I do cherish anyone who is with me.
I'm sorry you feel that way about me, but you can always ignore my posts like you're doing.
Cheers
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It’s not just Kgirls and Korgs he clearly has problems with. It is, as you mentioned above, any monger who dares disagree with him. He has two favorite terms he uses for these people: White knights and different variations on anti-monger.
If you disagree with him, you are automatically labeled as being anything but pro-monger. Because, in his book, he is the definitive pro-monger defender. How could anyone who is pro-monger ever disagree with him? Or so he seems to think.
The vast majority of his posts are about reviews he finds lacking (not about the girl, mind you - it’s about the white knight or anti-monger coward who wrote the review)
Anyway, back to the real reason we’re all here —-
Here is a question I’ve been asking myself as I looked up new kgirl listings: Who are the current best under 32 yrs old kgirls? Or those who can do a better than average job of passing for under 32?
That said, I’m not positive answers to the above question are allowed in the forums here on TER. Can any of the TER guys who’ve been around long enough to know answer that last question? Though, if you choose only one thing to which you feel inspired to respond, I hope it’s about the younger hot kgirls.
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for the agency scene it seems the best for younger ladies is the Chinese place here. If you're traveling here and looking for the under and passing for under 32 that is where I'd point you. Narumi would be my specific recommendation for that - she is in the under 25 category and I'm highly confident that is "is under" not just "passes for under". Japanese. They have some others there that are under that 32 age as but not sure if they are as good a choice.
I think for the Korean side of things we're still having problems with getting the ladies from Korea to the States. When I was talking with the girl up in Toronto she was pretty clear that the perception in Korea is that the USA is a really bad place for COVID right now. (She had just come back to Canada within the past couple of weeks).
Still would think the LA area still has a lot of local talent that is on the younger side -- and of course you might hop a plane (or drive even?) to Vancouver and find better options if you're looking on the west coast.
I am not aware of any restrictions on sharing this type of information in the forum -- it's not shilling or writing a review without actually writing a review so I don't think TER has any issues with the question or simple answers to that question. And if needed links to the reviews of the women could be added.
Spectrum boy - what excuse did I make?
Do you get angry at the grocery store when they mist the vegetables with water so they look fresher??
I feel like you do. Lol!
In the years I’ve been seeing k-girls, I’ve had this happen a pretty small number of times. More than 5, but definitely less than 10.
I know that to some having it happen even once seems unacceptable. But let’s put this into perspective.
I’ve worked with people who schedule data center and demo center activities for a very long time. Last minute reschedules simply happen. It doesn’t matter if we’re talking about 5 figure projects (where they happen much more often) or 8 figures. They happen. I’ve had them happen here in Silicon Valley, Wall Street, the UK, France and many other countries (oddly, or maybe not-so-oddly, never in Germany).
But I completely understand that there are idealists out there who are outraged that scheduling snafu’s ever happen - to them. If anybody tells you they don’t care about it happening to them, it’s just the principle of the thing, I will suggest that I have a lovely bridge I can sell you. I’ve had to smooth over the ruffled feathers of people like that from tech companies all over the world. I get it.
I hate it when it happens to me, too. But we live in a world where schedules get screwed up. The less time we spend obsessing over it the more time we’ll be able to spend having sex with the women of our choice.
We all hate reschedules because we have planned work and other activities. What I have found is that those that are the most resentful of a cancellation, and generally demanding explanations they can then judge as acceptable/valid or not tend to be the ones that are both less desired in the effort and, often, less productive over all.
The phrase "just move on" really does apply. Shit happens. We generally cannot control it so staying flexible is better for everyone -- and suggests always having several backup plans in the event something is cancelled.
That said, I do get that in this specific setting it's a bit more disappointing and often more difficult to be flexible with due to the nature of the situation for many -- they have to keep this hidden from others and not merely due to legality aspects.
I've never experienced a last-minute cancellation.
A few morning of cancels, credibly due to illness.
Doesn't seem like bumping is a big deal here!
I figured you guys would like the answer to my thread post. Had the session, really great by the way, I was kind of wondering what was going on and would I be bumped, shined on, or told not to bother them anymore! I didn't know if I'd get a confirmation text! I know, I am thinking too much about it, but that's how it played out!
So, I get to the incall and ask, "are you feeling better" she leaned in and whispered in my ear, "Period"! The whispering made me think the walls have ears? It was kinda' cute!
Thanks again for all your participation and informative posts!
As Twoon would say, "Monger on Brothers"!
Much ado about nothing?
That is if we are to believe the girl. Which is something I geeneraly wouldn't do.
Quite a few informative posts to be about nothing! And, a lot more then I thought it would generate. Also, it didn't seem to go off topic or really have any annoying BS Troll posts, I recall one!
I would consider my question answered to my satisfaction and things are back on track, until the next time a monger brings something up!
Hopefully, any future thread will have good info, some humor, good discussion and no immature trolling! I wouldn't count on it, but you never know!
I would guess it would be like a Billy Wilder comedy or massage parlor finish, a happy ending^^!
EOM! But, not the thread?
You seem to be putting those fears to rest with your update.
I would be curious to hear you summarize what you think the good info was here. My perspective would be there were two main areas: 1) common causes for cancellations (and perhaps which are the most common) and 2) getting bumped. The second then seems to split into 2 aspects as well a) judgement of the action and b) how to react to the event.
You might well have see the discussion fall into different buckets so feel free to resort into a different collections.
That's true, at first I was pissed off and skeptical about being confirmed, asked to make another appointment and then she's not well give it a couple of days! But, in the end I had the session and the girl told me the reason! But, that will not take away my skeptical nature.
Userheads info was good, also his have a back up plan!
Don't let it get to you, always another session down the road!
The other Mongers experiences!
Incall maintenance & hangovers! I've run into those!
And, always the guys questioning the other guys posts, which can have some info or maybe be entertaining, if they don't go to far off topic or get too involved!
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/washington-dc-6/tessa-312087?page=1
Sounds like an utterly SHIT practice to me by someone who doesn't respect clients' time. And pretty much exactly what we discussed. Almost ironic that this topic was created yesterday, uncanny timing.
Guy gets screwed and when he complains about it to PO, he gets blacklisted. How nice.
That is really fucked up!! Some of these bookers are on a power trip and hopefully it will catch up to them!
I was going to tell you about JR's post. But then figured you would find it yourself!