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PSE...Really?
SimplyGFE01 See Agency Profile 3377 reads
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I am sure this  topic has been discussed. However, I have seen a rash of requests for porn star experiences. I really was not sure exactly what that meant . So, I just had an exchange of text messages with a potential client who explain to me exactly what that is. In case you're wondering, it is apparently full service bare back services I don't know  how to say it any nicer than that. You know, I have seen pretty much a lot of things in my life and I expect usually in this business that I am dealing with adults .  However, when I find out that so many people are actually participating in this practice in this day and age it is mind-boggling to me. So, I did a little research and apparently a lot of porn  stars have died from each HIV. And I'm not talking John Holmes in 1988 I'm talking as recently as this year and for the last 20 or 30 years . So it is mind-boggling to me why anybody would even consider such a thing it was basically the same as far as I'm concerned as playing a game of Russian roulette and I'm not interested in playing a game and I wouldn't think it be too many people that would be but apparently there are. So if you want to know what a porn star experience is then maybe you should  use your friend Google and do some research and find out. It's not all it's cracked up to be I got to tell you anyway anybody has anything to add to this feel free to do so  what what I do and what my practices and hopefully the gentleman that I was texting will see this and understand that I will not under any circumstance is do business with him to me he is a very high risk individual that we are probably  splitting hairs a little bit here but I think that this practice is not just borderline but way over the edge insanity. Just my two cents!

If someone is asking for BBFS, just delete, block and move on.  

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What??? I have never heard of PSE requiring BBFS. I offer PSE and I definitely am not offering BBFS. I think your client is wishful thinking, trying to dupe you into bb, or seeing the wrong people.  

PSE for me has always been wilder than GFE incorporating kink, greek, dirty talk, interesting positions, and locations- not BB. From the many women I know who also offer PSE, I can guarantee that they're not offering BB either.

Please don't go around saying that all PSE includes bareback services, because it does not. Clearly there are some that do offer it but I would wage to say the a GOOD majority of providers don't.

Tell em girl he was trying to trick you baby girl..

however there is a rash of this going where the guys want or have to have BBFS.  To them, just say carry on....   I offer PSE style sessions but also mention that I play safe so please do not assume that just because a lady offers PSE that is includes BBFS

Who are selling themselves in this line of work do not offer bbfs... some even do not offer bbbj's... so idk why when one offers PSE its  assumed as bbfs...  

Be safe when playing naughty!!!

Don't know why you think that's an issue, agencies post here often.  

In addition, it sounds to me like he is trying to keep people safe, not to "spread incorrect information".   The point he appears to be passing on is what he was told and to remind people that BB is crazy risky.  That can only be a good thing, right?

Yes, "PSE" (like GFE) have different meanings to different people -both providers and clients.  I find it helpful that many of the well-established and experienced ladies participated in the conversation to help clarify.

-- Modified on 10/18/2017 5:36:38 AM

Their has been a deliberate attempt to hijack the term PSE and change it' meaning to include BBFS. For several years PSE has mainly referred to Greek being offered. I say "mainly" because even worse than GFE there is no universally accepted definition of exactly what PSE entails.

 
Anytime someone, especially an agency owner incorrectly states that PSE=BBFS the closer we come to the day that it really will mean just that.  We are all adults here, or at least we are all of age, and does anyone here really need to be "reminded" about the risks of uncovered sex? I suppose we should start making posts "reminding" people to look both ways before crossing the street as well?

You really should look both ways before crossing the street...LOL  I am not spreading incorrect info at all.  In fact, I have only been back a short time and it is apparently becoming very common.  So, please investigate before you make false accusations of me!

good for you Mike..nail this pretentious know it all cocksucker,,

Posted By: SimplyGFE01
Re: But he is spreading incorrect information
You really should look both ways before crossing the street...LOL  I am not spreading incorrect info at all.  In fact, I have only been back a short time and it is apparently becoming very common.  So, please investigate before you make false accusations of me!

Lol. And not to talk to strangers....

I don't think we are at the point yet where we are ready to agree on definition of this term. There are expectations even I have when looking for PSE. To me I'd be hoping for cimnqns. Swallow the life out of me after exhausting me with hard deep penetration with plenty of dirty talk.  

Bbfs is not on the menu

Agree for a long time it just meant Greek. Now it means hardcore sex with BBBJ and no kissing not fs. Who the heck would want that?

There is an agency in town that appears to have a number of "porn stars" in its lineup, and they state (imply) on their website that BBFS is available if the gentleman can provide documentation of recent STD testing.

Stuff like this may be what is changing the definition of PSE in the minds of some.

I have usually assumed it to mean that the provider offers Greek travels and/or CIM/swallow.

Thank you for all the feedback.  It appears that at least one or two providers took exception to the subject matter and were especially upset that I posted this trying to disguise myself as an individual provider and not an agency.  I apologize that it may have appeared that way.  There was a time on this board where everybody knew me as Mike "The Assistant" either with "MTA" Independent Escorts or "Simply GFE".  I have been away from the business for a few years while caring for my Mom who is 86 and has Altzheimers.  

Anyway, I am back obviously so now there won't be that confusion hopefully.  Also and obviously I do not have time for any moron that wants to participate in the above subject matter whether they are hobbiests or providers....period.  It is your choice obviously but my personal opinion (which I am entitled to) is that it is equivalent to playing Russian Roulette and just insane!  

The topic by the way is not new.  As far back as I can remember, girls complained about this guy or that constantly trying to get them to do bbfs.  My instruction to them was that as soon as they brought up the subject to pull out a flavored condom and let them know that their session just became totally covered.  This is how passionate I am about this and I think if everybody followed suit, the guys would stop asking for that nonsense.

This has become a common thing here.  I have asked a few guys that inquired about pse services and they indicated bbfs and that they have a recent certified hiv testing paperwork.  They were informed that we do not practice such nonsense and that if they wanted to book an appointment with us, their session will be completely covered.  TESTING....REALLY?!!  Give me a break!  For those of you out there that think they still want that type of service...a porn star experience...use your google and see how many porn stars have contracted not only std's but hiv and died in just the last 10 years.  Then maybe you will reconsider...or maybe not!

Just because its on google... doesn't make it true =)  We had access to everyone's testing info when I did porn, I don't see how HIV could go undetected so far as to develop AIDS , ESPECIALLY in recent years when we were required to test within 5 days of a shoot that detects HIV infection within 72 hours.

It was required we get a special test that's way more sensitive than the standard elisa test your doctor gives you. We had to show proof of this from directly calling with our social security numbers. It detects within like 72 hours of infection and we had to have it like less than 5 days old. If this was not provided, we were not allowed to do the shoot. Even doing amateur porn we had to show this or condoms had to be worn. I fucked tons of guys bareback in shoots back in the day and the only thing I ever got was a UTI and that just sometimes happens, sex or not.

 The amount of porn stars getting AIDS ( which could be from drugs, not sex) is probably inflated on non FACTUAL articles, just like all the reports that say all the escorts are all disease filled people. I've been a swinger, porn star and escort for many many years and its the standard "casual fucking people" that are the most unsafe. Swingers party of 100+ people barebacking each other. Not everyone but a huge amount. bar sluts, tinder hook ups, things like that.

 People trying to put a dark light on porn and escorting need something to try and sway their husbands from contacting us or buying our material. =) Super jelly soccer Mom's that are stiff lays are our bread and butter but also the thorn in our sides!

Also -PSE is a style, an attitude, an energy with specialty languages and I usually post mine that says bbffs is not part of this. I would think only newbies or guys trying to be pushy assume that PSE is BBFFS. I've been around for 16 years and all the girls I know and have known view PSE the same way as well as 99% of the guys. So, you're speaking about a tiny amount of people and get a bunch more riled up over it.

are the "party" specials.  No idea what they are asking but I am guessing drugs has to do with it.  I do not do drugs, rarely drink and am a pretty clean person so I am hoping they are maybe just asking about trio's or our annual orgy party.  However this last week alone I have been asked twice about a party special and when I did not know what they were asking about but clarified on a couple things, never heard back.

Anyone have any idea what a "party" special is?

Oh wow that's crazy I think he is either misinformed or was trying to run game because that isn't the PSE I've been offering and the other women I know that offer it I know that isn't their style either. No lady with any respect for herself would risk that period no matter the amount. But I've heard that about porn stars cause a lot of people have been faking their tests, sad.

Had a girl offer PSE for an upcharge AFTER we already had sex (with the rubber of course). I excused myself for a shower and left. I was paranoid for months after that I got sick somehow despite numerous times I've been tested giving me the all clear. I believed I was that 1% chance with a false negative. I quit this hobby for nearly a year and a half. Haven't used Backpage since.

ModernLover6670 reads

This uncertainty and misunderstanding is solved in most cases by the following:

1)  Quit using vague, subjective terms like "PSE" and "GFE". I've seen so many wildly different explanations for these terms that they're mostly meaningless to me now.

2) If people insist on using these terms, provide a short description of what they mean to you.

3) Note on your websites and ad listings what activities you absolutely will not do.

Why people don't do some or all of these has always been a mystery to me.

When I think PSE, I think maybe a little fetish or role play is on the menu.  To me PSE means fantasy and an escape from the ordinary.  It does not mean being stupid and engaging in risky behavior.

I agree PSE has nothing to do with BB. It is more about having a session that would be like something you would see in a porn. Rougher sex, multiple positions and dirty talk. Don't let any guy tell you that bbfs is any part of any kind of session an escort would offer. I'm sure very high priced escorts would have the option but the cost is more than most men could ever pay. I tell guys who ask that my bbfs is 10,000 dollars. No one has taken me up on this offer yet.

I am a PSE provider and DO NOT offer bbfs. Anyone telling you different is definitely mistaken. I get some guys who compare a porn star experience to porn and see no condom so assume no condom. WRONG! For me it's called an EXPERIENCE for a reason. We can recreate porn scenes, fuck like porn stars, and keep it safe. BBFS is BBFS, not PSE. Anyone asking for bbfs should be blocked and not given a second thought. Stay safe and play smart! And again for the people in the back PSE DOES NOT INCLUDE BBFS! Maybe a spanking, Greek, or cof though.

engrguy108 reads

I would say PSE is NOT about BBFS.  But that is me.  It is about raw f--k me know passion.

No disrespect to provider's that advertise on TER... however there is another board that's pretty much non-existent in Chicago but huge in other parts of country, that gets it.

The provider's ad (showcase) in general keeps it simple and spell out EXACTLY what services are offered  
and which are not.

BTW - glad to see you are back Mike, used your agency several times a few years ago and was never disappointed.

I am referring to the end of this guys post.  Listen, I actually sat down and try to come up with the number of appointments I have booked and gave up when I realized it was in the tens of thousands.  So, having said that, the term "you can please some of the people some of the time but not all the people all the time" comes to mind.  Obviously you are bound to have some disappointed customers...no doubt.  However, with all the thousands of ladies and who knows how many agencies, why would you go back to one that you are "very" disappointed in "several" times?  HELLO!  Duh

I must be getting some kind of old or something!  Apparently, I misread your post sir and owe you an apology.  I thought you wrote "very" disappointed when actually you wrote "never" disappointed.  My apology sir and thankyou for your compliment!  Sorry!

PSE does not + BBFS.

PSE stands for "porn star experience," a difference from GFE. Raunchy, kinky, deep throating/gagging, possibly greek, not a lot of cuddling or talking. It's sexual fantasies and nonstop hotness.

Offering BBFS is someone's individual choice to take that risk, and your decision to take that risk with someone.

I also feel like a common tactic in asking for BBFS is to say “so many other people are doing it” when that may or may not be the case. This person was trying to use your naivety of the term to his advantage, as many providers know what PSE is not something that requires BBFS.  

Yes there is discrepancy over what exactly it means, but honestly it’s fairly intuitive - a lot raunchier of a time than GFE.  

Some ladies choose to further define it as other things; I have a write up on my site of what different experiences mean to me for clarity on my definition:
“You can rest assured I am armed with a loaded toy box, a closet full of racy outfits and sexy costumes, a very dirty mouth, and an exploratory spirit- all signs that things will get interesting very quickly.

These experiences are great for people who are interested in any or all of the aforementioned; if you enjoy trips to the Mediterranean isles, an additional woman (or man!) in the bedroom, groups, role play, sensual foods, water sports, or any other things, this is also for you.”

Whenever someone asks for BBFS, best practice is to decline then delete and block their number. Even people who ask about CIP and cream pie. I feel these people are unsafe. My fear with people who ask about these things is that they are boundary pushers- even if I were to see them, who is to say that they wouldn’t “stealth” me instead (pulling off the condom during sex) or deliberately try to ruin condoms (thereby costing me money). I don’t deal with clients who I have to watch carefully instead of enjoying my time with them. And I like to watch the equipment slide in and out of me, I would be absolutely horrified if I looked down and couldn’t see the condom

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