Anybody have an issue with her screening person? Terribly invasive and I was eventually denied. Work, references, two screening sites, all ok and above board my end. Never an issue.
It's like it was a joke.Will tell you to NEVER provide personal information to a provider. That is advice that I wish that I followed. There is just way too much risk in providing that information AND there are plenty of beautiful providers that do not require your real name or such evasive information. After all, sites such as P411 exist so that you don't have to provide such information. Probably 99% of providers are fine with P411 and/or TER Handle and/or 2-3 references. This is a topic that has been EXTENSIVELY discussed on TER. You could be blackmailed. Providers could share that information with other providers. Providers that appear professional (many people think that they are communicating with a provider when in reality they are communicating with her professional booking assistant) may not be. Too many flakes and/or BSC ladies out there. Ladies could get in legal trouble and compromise your personal information. For a variety of reasons, eventually you could be outed and have your life ruined. Sounds dramatic, but it happens more frequently than you think. That is why most experienced TER members will tell you to move on rather than provide personal information. Ironically those same individuals will support a ladies right to screen however she wishes. Just my 2 cents.
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No provider is EVER worth ruining your reputation or worse!
Her e-mail or website could get hacked and your personal information could get exposed that way. 
I post similar warnings about giving out personal information on occasion. On a related note, I just had a small Chicago agency tell me my 50+ OKs and multiple references were no good and that they need my real info so they could do some form of background check on me. Of course they assured me that all my info would be deleted afterwards. Give me a break. I moved on.
You should never provide info you do not want to, nor should we as providers ask for less then we are comfortable with. If someone does not meet your needs in screening then moving on is the proper way to proceed. Do not be a spoil sport if we have to turn you down, we will not get bent out of shape about you either unless you continue to push and push and push(have had it happen over and over and I am TOTALLY crystal clear on my site what I need). The only bad experiences I have ever had were when I compromised a little on my screening, so i will not be doing that again. GL to you as well, Sage
Oh and unless you ask afterwards info is usually handled somewhere, but if you do ask for your info to be scrubbed then providing a reference to a provider on your behalf is impossible because we no longer have anything to verify you with.
Same experience a while back with one of the Chicago AMP agencies. In same fashion, I of course moved on.
Let me guess... Korean Palace? They want way too much info. And besides, the quality has been going down a fair bit this year. Too many girls more concerned with you mussing up their hair and makeup than making you happy.
I don't wanna sound like a dick, but:
If you found the process way too invasive, why did you comply in the first place? Would you have posted, if you had passed their screening?
Remember that it is your money and your rules. As someone above suggested it is time to move on when they are asking for information you aren't comfortable with. Only if johns learned to say "no"...
I prefer to have everyone that I meet's full name. There are some instances that I do not demand it- but, what would I get out of putting your information out there? My email has never been hacked, and I've had the same email for I dont know like 7/8 years now. Once you've completed screening, I tag your email as verified, and I delete the sensitive information. After the session, I may jot a few notes down in your contact to help me recall you if I ever get a reference request. Not sensitive info, but maybe something like "really tall southern gentleman" or something like that. Throughout my years of both helping other ladies screen, and screening for myself I have worked out what I feel is the most discreet options for screening. Now, if you are a seasoned gentleman, you have little to worry about because if you have multiple strong references I don't require so much personal information, I do really prefer to have your full name and your phone number- thats it. But, if you don't have references, I definitely do require that you give me your full name, cell number, and confirm your employment. There has to be some sort of mutual trust. And, if you think about it- I am sure that you are not the only person with your name, unless it is super unique.
Now, the OP said that her screener wanted every option there is- if I am understanding correctly. Which I don't agree with, and does seem unnecessary. I know that often when you decide you want to see a companion it is frustrating if you cant, but if you don't agree with her requirements- just find someone else.
My main reason for wanting to respond is everyone saying they wont give out their full name. I know plenty of ladies who require ID check at door. Who has more to lose? You could be a crazy serial killer, or someone who is abusive. You could be trying to rob the companion, or a sex offender. Worse case scenario if a ladies email gets hacked- what is the hacker going to do with that information? Everyone is always using Ashley Madison as an excuse, but Ashley Madison was a CORPORATION PROMOTING CHEATING. I really don't think there are many hackers out there that are concerned with hacking into individual escorts emails. And, you can always tell the companion that you will only send your full name if she deletes the emails, and ask her to take a screenshot of them being deleted.
Basically, I look at it like this- if you are meeting a companion you will always have a certain level of risk, but I think a lot of the people, ladies and gents alike, think the risk is a bit larger than it actually is.
*Waits for the tomatoes to be thrown*
No I actually think that's more than fair Jaime Love (your name not my feelings toward you). I routinely offer my rs2k info which has my name, number, city + state. I've never had an issue with that unless I try to see someone in another city where rs2k is not prevalent. These days I do have references (thank you if you are one) and a whitelist nod.
If a Lady was asking for something beyond all of that to know I'm legit then......... I need to be fair and say that years and years ago I did offer my employment info as a screening source, but it was before I had all of the above to back me up. I think Jaime says it well when she mentions that it's about mutual trust. That being said I'd probably not offer my address or work information any longer. My social and date of birth are also out of the question.
Even with all that there are still Ladies out there that won't see me for one reason or another even though I'd see them. It's sorta bittersweet because i kinda take the time to admire her website and maybe skim a couple reviews building some type of attraction so that i too can have that mutual feeling. But i ultimately understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion and we all must be comfortable.
Quoting "Who has more to lose? You could be a crazy serial killer, or someone who is abusive. You could be trying to rob the companion, or a sex offender."
I really don't buy the premise that the girl has more to lose just because of the fact that most guys are physically stronger than most gals. In this day and age, stereotypes about physical strength are not relevant. A strongman competitor john can easily be overpowered or incapacitated by a few drops of liquid in his drink. Why shouldn't he turn the tables and say: you (the hypothetical you) could be a crazy serial killer...?
Edited for typos and clarity.
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Quoting "...and I delete the sensitive information."
Unless you're using an eraser software, you're not really erasing anything. Give me a laptop and I will resurrect all the files you think you've deleted. All it takes a stolen/lost laptop or a bust for the names to be out there.
If John has nothing to lose, good for him. Otherwise I hope he enjoys playing this silly russian roulette which is exciting until it isn't.
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Heres some food for thought: Providers who DONT screen should be your first red flag.
Since August is NATIONWIDE reverse sting month I will start there - cops never ask for any screening info. But you do walk into a straight up bust and they put your pic on the internet and local news. Google is your friend here. So if an 'experienced' ter member tells you not to look out for that they are not helping you. They are walking you into silver bracelets.
First, gals who dont screen get arrested in Chicago. Not a matter of if, its a matter of when. Which means they are compromised. Which means they can cut a deal. You know, like giving fake p411 ok's and referrals (I will discuss this below) Happy hobbying, no info guys - your the first ones going down!
The Sun Times linked rs2k with the hot towel busts, btw. Said it came to their attention through their investigation of them. Nationwide. But keep using 'em, cause thats SMART. I cant post a link cause they will take it down cause it has the owners real name.
P411 has been infiltrated - and the owner doesnt hide it which I appreciate actually - so many times I cant count. And many, many arrests were made with p411 ok's from flipped providers. She actually recommends not just using ok's. But hey, YOU say it should be enough.
A provider who screens is a provider who keeps herself AND her clients safe. She takes her business seriously. And before the whole SO MUCH BLACKMAIL crap starts - really? Cause if it did, the boards would be flooded with reports. They aren't though. Huh.
Times have changed and if you all were as concerned about your safety as you state, you would think about WHY we do what we do. Hope this insight helps.
*Claps* VERY well said!
Heres some food for thought: Providers who DONT screen should be your first red flag.
Since August is NATIONWIDE reverse sting month I will start there - cops never ask for any screening info. But you do walk into a straight up bust and they put your pic on the internet and local news. Google is your friend here. So if an 'experienced' ter member tells you not to look out for that they are not helping you. They are walking you into silver bracelets.
First, gals who dont screen get arrested in Chicago. Not a matter of if, its a matter of when. Which means they are compromised. Which means they can cut a deal. You know, like giving fake p411 ok's and referrals (I will discuss this below) Happy hobbying, no info guys - your the first ones going down!
The Sun Times linked rs2k with the hot towel busts, btw. Said it came to their attention through their investigation of them. Nationwide. But keep using 'em, cause thats SMART. I cant post a link cause they will take it down cause it has the owners real name.
P411 has been infiltrated - and the owner doesnt hide it which I appreciate actually - so many times I cant count. And many, many arrests were made with p411 ok's from flipped providers. She actually recommends not just using ok's. But hey, YOU say it should be enough.
A provider who screens is a provider who keeps herself AND her clients safe. She takes her business seriously. And before the whole SO MUCH BLACKMAIL crap starts - really? Cause if it did, the boards would be flooded with reports. They aren't though. Huh.
Times have changed and if you all were as concerned about your safety as you state, you would think about WHY we do what we do. Hope this insight helps.
I'm just curious:
If you're that righteous and willing to help johns with their safety and well-being, why are you hiding behind an alias?
A provider who screens is someone who asks screening. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't automatically rule out that she is LE. This is a public forum; anybody can read the posts here. So it is not that LE doesn't know about screening or it's protocols. The misconception is a result of the fact that LE generally tend not to target escorts or high end providers for the following reasons:
1. Street walkers and their johns are on the street. It doesn't require a lot of resources to bust them.
2. LE can earn brownie points from the public for cleaning up the neighborhood.
3. SWs and their johns typically can't afford to post bail or hire an attorney. Therefore, they will agree to plea bargains for a misdemeanor rather than spending more time in jail and go to trial. This basically means quick, effortless, and cheap convictions for LE.
4. Escorts and their clienteles typically have the resources to post bail and hire an attorney. They will successfully fend off a conviction unless they are extremely stupid or incompetent. LE doesn't wanna risk fighting an uphill battle for a misdemeanor conviction.
5. Unless you are a prominent public person (anybody remember Elliot Spitzer), you're way down on LE's to do list. YMMV!!!
So if LE decides to target escorts on large scale for some reason, they will adapt to setting up websites and asking for verification so as not to tip johns.
I'm not gonna tell girls what to do or not to do; however, the claim that "
A provider who screens is a provider who keeps herself AND her clients safe." isn't entirely true. If John is providing sensitive info, he is just exposing himself. So here is my version of the quoted sentence:"
A provider who ask for real name or ID is a provider who tries to keep herself safe at the expense of less safety for her clients."
but in essence that is what you are trying to do, tell everyone that you as a client who has never peddled his ass for money knows how things should be done in this industry. Now, I do not put you down for trying to be evasive with screening(sorry P411 don't mean sh!t, the owner herself states we should ID you!!) so please return the the favor and not put us down for feeling we need more because we are.
You are not going to force those who screen well not to just because you deem it so, and think that is how it should be. No, never going to happen.
Perhaps we should take down all reviews, they are far too evasive of our private time together and should all be removed. Now I am sure you are not into that, right? You use those reviews to make sure we are legit, info that is out there incriminating the F*** out of us all for the sake of you knowing what we will and will not do. While I like reviews, love reading mine as a nice and sexy "fantasy" read *wink*, they are actually very personal. So if you really think a name is so much more damaging then the reviews you depend upon to make sure we are ok..... Then you really should peddle some ass and then see who you would invite over for $... I would bet your viewpoint would change in a major way
BTW, I was making a point with reviews which give very detailed info as to if we stick a tongue in your ass, require a cover for oral, use FC2, as well as how we are in session.... They are a great resource and very much the equivalent of our screening, we only ask for a small amount while you all need to know details down to our cup size and if we will do more then 1 guy at the same time...
Oh and BTW, a provider keeping herself safe, keeps her guests safe.
I will reiterate what I said before though and will continue to preach in this industry. If you are not comfortable providing what a lady asks for then skip her. Move on to someone who is willing to accept only what you are willing to give. I will not be heartbroken that we will never get to meet, and I am sure neither will you. Pushing your agenda though is overstepping to a place YOU sir, have no business until you have infact been out there peddling ass yourself. Have fun with your P411 or less ladies, I am sure they are just as good and hopefully do not end up having LE issues
If you seriously think that I am telling girls how to run their business, reread my posts...
Here is the real issue: There are maxims that is being perpetuated in the board which are either meaningless or patently false. Take "screening keeps both providers and clients safe."
1. At this generality the sentence is meaningless because there is no agreed definition of screening. My understanding is different than yours which is different than hers.
2. If screening means "let's check each others reviews", then I find it to be true.
3. If screening means "let john send the girl a copy of his ID", then it is obviously false. Am I the only who has seen IDs of idiots on Twitter?
My agenda is fairly simple: lay out the risks fairly and let everybody manage their own risks. Also I am totally unapolegetic about calling BS when I see it.
Doesn't mean that she isn't conscious of maintaining the image that she wants. I think that was kind of a silly question- why does anyone use an alias?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for screening, especially with references, but full name and ID is a bit hard, especially if the provider does not provide her real name. Seems only fair, if one side asks for ID the other should offer the same to keep the field leveled. Otherwise, seems like there is a big risk on one side. I have seen a provider that had all my personal info, but she shared hers with me later, neither of us has revealed anything.
I had a girl and yes I will call this one a girl ask me for a picture of my ID and Utility Bill/cell phone bill. I offered her my rs2k info and she said ok but I'd have to reimburse her the 10 or 15 dollars cuz she doesn't advertise there. I said ok. Then after I have her my rs2k info she said because my location (on my rs2k not where i was that night) was further than her area that I was wasting her time and should have read through her screening requirements. Blocked my number from messaging her further. Never even gave me the chance to tell her I was in her area with a place for us to get together.
But this was all after she now has my rs2k info with my number, city state, and full name. I agree screening is important, but I'd be even more livid if I'd sent my picture ID to her and she now knows where i live. Who knows what she'd do with that type of information. Makes me think of that Clive Owen movie, Derailed.
even when the tax stuff went down and everyone was freaking, i reached out and found out what had happened realizing that it had been happening for quite some time. I was/am confident that my info continues to be safe with them due to the practices they have in place.
And even if I never set foot in places where there were breaches, doesn't mean it can't happen anywhere.
P411 I have had to give ok's on gents that I would rather not have due to their being rough or shorting me, for me an ok should not just be that he was not LE, it should be someone I would have no qualms about visiting again
I think what everyone is forgetting is that her screener or her assistant or her agency or whatever the person wants to be named is doing all of this and actually not the actual provider. Some of these ladies hire services and are unaware of what some of them do. And yes some of them try to scam John's.
Just a FYI, these services may do their job but they can also hurt providers chances as well because they won't communicate with provider until appointment is set. Which means providers may miss out on appointments. But also get reassurance for their saftey. It's a double edge sword.
Personally, I have interacted with Aria Moores assistant and she is obnoxious and arrogant and actually hurts Ms Moore's business
To give an alternative opinion, although thorough, I had no difficulties with Aria's assistant whatsoever. In fact, I found a few of our email exchanges to be pleasant and relaxed, even exchanging funny comments at times.
Fuck..i wanted to book her..now you have me all fucked up..