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One pop or multiple pops
NaomiJeanCarter See my TER Reviews 6369 reads
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Ok so this is a very sensitive topic and I just had my most awkward encounter as a provider because of it. I think I'm a fantastic provider because I sincerely enjoy what I do and connect with the people I come across. I have came a long way from when I first started where I would just go on appointments to fuck and leave, I had to understand that men don't just want somebody that's a nice fuck, but somebody whose company they enjoy being around overall and I try to be that.  
So today I had this guy come over and everything was fine but he popped pretty early, after we lie on the bed and are talking and I'm telling him about myself and my life and he continues to play with me then he asks about a rubber but I tell him I only offer  One pop an hour and he kinda tries to talk me into going again and that it's what everybody is doing but other providers that I know old or young don't offer multiple pops only really seen a few that has. And at this point I am kind of uncomfortable and in a weird situation, he then says if he had known that for my rate he wouldn't have done it and asked for a refund, which wasn't cool because I am very much worth every penny I ask for it's not my fault you finished so fast, but at this point I've agreed to let us go again but the mood has been killed. I feel like shit being in a situation like this so I start bawling my eyes out trying to get him going again and he's not into it and says it's not gonna work and left. I feel REALLLLLY bad especially because I never wanted somebody to spend time with me and not feel like it was time and money well spent. But I'm just wondering are ladies seriously offering two pops and am I out of touch? I doubt it's something I could ever really offer but I feel like I could not make it so professional all the time and use my discretion at time with certain people.

You have to run your business as you see fit but your TER profile list multiple pops allowed. He might have just assumed that was the case. Btw, your listed TER rate and P411 rate per hour also differ. Just a thought.

First, I'm sorry you experienced that.  But I can absolutely see how a gent could finish unexpectedly early (you have  exceptional skill for one so young).  ;-)

Second, this could be an interesting thread to hear on both sides of the discussion.

From my point of view there is an expectation that at (and above) a certain donation level multiples might be available during an hour session.  What that donation level would be is open to debate obviously.  But certainly ladies wanting to attract "upscale gentlemen" - especially repeat clients would do well to keep that in mind.

And as gents we have an obligation to be reasonable with our expectations.  If I were to pop in 15 minutes and I can go again and finish well within the hour, I think a that's reasonable request.  But I'm a guy.  A horny one at that.  Lol

But if I pop at 50 minutes into the session it would not be reasonable to expect a second go.  I would consider that rude of me to ask.

But our cocks have minds of their own sometimes.  Ok always.  And the best planning can go out the window in an instant depending on the way the wind blows.  Get it?  Blows?

That's just my opinion, take it for what it's worth.  But I do encourage you to double check that your TER profile reflects whatever your business model is.  The "multiple pops allowed y/n" field is what I'm referring to in this case.  That way gents can do their research and plan accordingly.  

Like think about baseball when they're with you.  

Lots and lots of baseball.

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I absolutely agree, I do believe that if somebody comes under 20 minutes with not much done to get him there it is extremely fair to let him get more bang for his buck.

Naomi,

The fact that you are asking these questions and listening to advice says a lot of good things about you.  I really respect that.

Lord knows I have a lot to learn.  

Who's giggling?

I distinctly heard giggling!

I don't understand the difference if the guy can go 45 minutes without a pop, or can pop twice in 30 minutes.  There's obviously going to be a break with the two or three timer compared to Mr Whiskey Dick. I would think the guy that can go twice would be a little better as there would be more foreplay.

Like it was mentioned above, you should edit your TER profile for no multiple pops.

I hate you went through that Mocha but to be honest at your price point, two pops is sorta expected.  "Technically" we are only paying for your time but one pop early and chit chat for another 45 mins or so isn't very realistic in my humble opinion.  

GaGambler153 reads

My sympathies are with him, not her. She has reviews that claim than one pop including her last one, her profile state multiple pops and her rate most certainly suggests multiple pops.  

 
She should contact him, apologize profusely and beg for another chance to make amends. As you said "at her price point, two pops is sorta expected", I could not agree more, even though I usually never go twice in an hour myself as I am usually at the 40-50 minute mark before cumming the first time and trying to get a second pop in an hour is simply not realistic, but if I ever do cum 10-15 minutes into a session and was seeing any woman at her price point, you're damn right I would expect to be able to go again If I wanted to.

Gambler, I agree with you - and since I said a very similar thing I will respond as well.  I said I was sorry she experienced that.  I didn't mean that she was right, only in that it happened altogether.  Much like when I accidentally hit my finger with a hammer - I'm sorry that it happened.  Lol.  

This will probably come off as white knighting, but so be it.  I had a wonderful time with Naomi recently.  She was outstanding as a matter of fact.  However, if I had experienced what the gent had in her original post did I would be taken aback too.  And possibly responded in much the same way.  I think most of my previous post bears out the fact that I personally would expect multiple pops (although at my age I seldom use them).  :-)  

That said, I think Naomi has shown a lot of initiative coming on here to ask for advice.  And from her responses so far it seems to me that she is taking our advice to heart.  I see a young lady learning from her mistakes - fast.

And for that I give her great respect.

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GaGambler215 reads

and that is VERY refreshing as you know how many young (and old) providers come on here not to actually get advice to improves themselves, but to validate their bad behavior.

 
Yes, kudos to Naomi for asking a question and then actually taking the answers to heart. With an attitude like that, she should do very well for herself, and I wish her nothing but the best.

And most, if not all, ladies at or above a certain gift level do as well. Having said that, the gent should conduct himself using proper etiquette and not exceed the time he booked.

If this is an issue for you, perhaps you may wish to update your profile to reflect your 'rules'.

I didn't put that on my profile i think its from my reviews but im not sure why itd be on there never had a two pop issue until now really but it's been a great learning lesson and you all have made a lot of good points i never considered. So thank you all.

Multiples should always be available on the menu. It's sort of like this to me- you tell me you have top shelf scotch on the menu. I ask for a 18 year Balvenie and gulp it down because its soooooooo good and I haven't had a good scotch in a long long time. I realize I still have 45 mins at the bar and would like another round before I leave.

Bartender says no - I only serve clients one drink an hour.

I excuse myself politely, (thinking if I knew that I would have gone to another bar) and go to the next bar where a 2nd round is on the menu. That balvenie sure was good and I want another one!

Sorry for the somewhat childish analogy, but then again, we men are who we are. Not to say women are like good scotch- in fact they are much better. Cheers!

As a provider with a rate of 300+ per hour, I offer multiple pops if that's what the client wants.  I have some clients that want multiple pops and others that don't.  I don't think it's unreasonable for a client to have a second round if they popped 10-15 mins into the session and paid for a full hour.  

It's up to you on how you want to run your business and what you want to offer.  However, I will tell you that most providers that I know offer multiple pops per hour.  Especially ones that are at a 300+ price point.  

Equals one visit customer.

I appreciate all the feedback because I am seeing things in a different perspective. When I first started out I was kinda tied up  with an "agency"that pressed the idea of one pop an hour and I don't wanna be talked into being taken advantage of and just kinda made it seemed as if clients are these scary people that the only way to address them is formally and professionally,  for your own safety, I'm very young in this and know I have a lot to learn which is why I reached out. and it's just a way I've been doing my work since but I honestly really thought to put myself in somebodies else's shoes. I have apologized and reached out to the guy to make it up to him. :) and will definitely start to use my discretion on the subject from hence Forth.

Naomi--

I think it was a very good idea for you to post to get some input.  If I remember correctly, ***your profile is based on the first profile made by the first reviewer***.  If I'm wrong  someone will tell us.  But if there is anything you want to change in that profile to  conform to what you're comfortable with, all you have to do is contact TER.  They  will respect and change/publish what you tell them  that you want in your profile.

I think that you started out at a price point of $300, and very recently raised it to  $400 in your ads and on P411.  At either of those price points, I don't think there is any doubt at all you should be comfortable offering two pops,  especially in  the situation where the guy might have come in the first 15 minutes or so and asks for another pop.  As people have emphasized, please make sure that your profile reflects what you want to offer--because guys will use your profile to know what to expect and that will prevent any misunderstandings like your original post related.

I can understand his disappointment if your reviews say multiple pops allowed. We use reviews to determine who would best fit our desires.

10-12 years ago when I first got into this business, every provider offered 2+ pops. I would normally receive oral for the first round, clean up then talk and play with her for a while and then pop the hat on for round two. That was pretty much standard and I can't remember visiting a provider that didnt follow that formula.

Now that I am older, I can't even imagine how I fit all that in to an hour session. It's basically one round for me - even if I can finish the first one quickly or tried two hour sessions. I'd love to relive those old days.

If I were a provider I think I would expect that they are paying for an hour and it shouldn't matter how many rounds they get. I have to ask you - are they paying you for one round or one hour of your time? If they get a two hour session, do they get two rounds - so it's really paying per pop than per hour? What would you do if someone didn't even get one round in that hour? It's happened to me before but I know I paid for the hour, not the pop.

I personally don't have a problem with a provider who is one pop, but I would definitely update your review so others don't have the same expectations. I imagine most hobbyists would be like me and expect to use the whole hour if they could.

Like I said fairly new to this and kinda just went off the little I knew from what I've been told which is kinda why I reached out to see how ppl felt about it. I will definitely start offering multiple pops to people that cum early during oral  :) definitely want people to feel like as if they've gotten their money and times worth.

I didnt mean to come across as critical of you. i was just saying what most hobbyists would expect. if i could go 2 rounds and knew she only offered one, id try to prolong release as long as possible. but its way more fun to be able to relax and let it go and not worry about what you are going to do for the remaining 55 minutes. knowing im going to see someone that week, i refrain from coming for a few days. thus the first one can be faster than wanted

Hi Naomi,

Remember me? We met once last month. Usually, I am a one-pop guy, but I suggest you maybe you can prolong the foreplay time. But I personally don't think it is not unreasonable to ask two pops. If you don't like, maybe you should specify it in your ads?

I always thought that it was standard for multiple pops for the 1 hour session if the gentleman could pull it off. I like to get the 1st pop out of the way quickly followed by foreplay , and if I am able to get back up again at my age I would like to know that the possibility to get another pop does exist.

For me now, once a king, always a king.
But once a knight is enough.

At my price point I allow 2 pops but then again that's never really discussed as I feel I connect very intimately with my clients. I've never had one ask me about that, rather things go organically and we both leave feeling satisfied with the outcome :]

I agree with GAGambler.  I always research the lady and see if she allows multiple pops.  If she doesn't I move on.  Recently I left one of my ATF's because of the same issue.  In her case after I came within 20 minutes she will get up and start getting dress and not even giving me the full hour.  Just my 2 cents.

Yeah I learned my lesson about staying the whole hour. When I started the agency I started with made it seem like after the guy cums everything is done and honestly the guys that associated with them that's how things went. But they had me charging a shit load less so it was probably guys who just want a nut and they're happy but as I grow and broaden my horizons I see that men actually worth while want way more than a nut. They want a connection, personality, conversations. Things I had to learn down the road on my own from bad experiences or constructive criticism. And now I know a lot better from this. :)

Making political posts on the discussion boards is a great way to alienate half of your potential clients.

 
Unless or until you are in a financial position where you don't care who you piss off and whether or not they take their business elsewhere, I might suggest you make your overtly political post under an alias. Going all Michelle Obama on us and claiming that Barrack Obama was the last (and possibly only) politician that made you proud has the potential to have the other half of the country who strongly disagrees with that statement looking for more suitable companionship.

 
This applies to all political positions that are galvanizing, I know a couple of providers who live and work in the very blue city of NYC who are YUGE Trump supporters, they rarely make their political posts under their work name as not to chase off the many people in that city who detest Trump and who go so far as to hate anyone who supports him sight unseen.

 
You are free to have whatever political beliefs that you want. but regardless of what those beliefs are, I can guarantee you there are about a 150 million Americans who will strongly disagree with you.

I don't care. At ALLLLLLLL. if anybody doesn't want to give me their money because of my political views I bet they never stopped to ever think if I even want it and the answer is no, and although I wasn't as enthusiastic reading it as I bet you were typing it thanks for sharing, in a public forum :) I respect all opinions.

But also I guess some people would see this and agree and think that I should also keep politics to myself and off this site and you're completely right. I apologize and it won't happen again *solider salute*

Cause I mean as strong headed as I might be this simply just isn't the place for it period. I understand. Just wish you'd address me privately and not seem to be scolding me like you're my father or something. I appreciate advice but don't do this. Cause lol. But :) I get what ur saying. Duly noted.

I saw nothing wrong with Barbie and her statement about the 44th President of these United States,  I stand with her and I agree with her. I think that it was mean spirited to attack her like she was attacked. I do not feel that it will reflect a drop off in her clientelle, I myself respect You more because of it.

I myself would love to have a session with a Trump supporter for obvious reasons. To Any Trump Supporting Providers in Hotlanta, please pm me, so as we can arrange a rendezvous.  

I think every client is VERY different. They all have expectations that are key to our success and to their happiness, which let's face it, go hand in hand. I'm always up for making sure that everyone is enjoying themselves. And at the same time I want to make sure that I am comfortable with what I am offering. If you're uncomfortable it shows and business tends to reflect that. Personally, I allow multiples, and I don't know many that DO NOT. However, if you are with me for 45 minutes and need to recover and then want to go again in a one hour window.. I'm going to tell you to book a longer session. I would say that if you do not want to offer that you should make that known on all of your advertising. No one wants to be deceived especially when they are paying their hard earned money. Mix ups certainly happen, but if I were you I would clear up any grey areas just to be sure. Another option could be for you to raise your minimum booking times. That way you are good with what you're offering and you and the client have plenty of time to recover.  

Just some thoughts..

I do one pop for the hour BUT I've had guys who are amazing, cool as hell, and they pop within 5 minutes lol. I feel bad and will ask if they want to go again since it happened so fast. On the other hand, I have clients who are completely worn out after one pop and don't even ask for a second. I also have clients who after one pop, no matter how fast... they're done, that's it lol. I always make sure though, no matter how fast they pop, I let them know that they can relax for the remainder of their time. I don't want them to feel like since they popped, it's time to go.

Guy is paying for the time - if he can go 3 times in the hour, should be allowed

I can attest that you are absolutely in the minority - (almost) all providers in Atlanta offer this

Up to you I guess

Absolutely.

Strange that I've seen a few ads lately where only a single pop is offered in the hour.  And an additional is either an upsell or out of the question.  What gives?

Ladies, you can run your business any way you like however my advice to you is...

If you want to compete in Atlanta
If you want to ask the "going rate" (or more)
If you advertise a GFE type of date
If you want good reviews
If you want a good base of regular, upscale clientele

More than a single pop in an hour is an absolute must.  

I don't use more than one typically at my age but if I requested another and was denied that would be one of the fastest ways for a girl to get on my DNS list.  I mean honestly, that's just being a rules lawyer.  And essentially it penalizes (or is it penile-izes lol?) gents that have a hair triggers.  Ladies - we gents can't always control our cocks.  Hell, our cocks usually control us.

I totally agree with Caldon, we're paying for a lady's time and companionship.  In my fantasy world my girlfriend doesn't kick me out if I were to pop after 20 minutes saying "well, we're all done here!"

;-)

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I totally agree with what electr0n's saying.  We're paying for time, not by piece.  

AND, the rest of what he ways is good business advice.  

One thing about me is, I never care what other providers are doing as I'm me and they are them. LOL if I were to be concerned with how other ladies run their business and how to be like them, what would make me different? I run my business in a way that's successful for me and at the end of the day makes me and my clients happy.

I love all my clients and never have had an issue with MSOG as I stated in my initial post. An Hour is only a hour, I can only imagine  a guy having 3 pops in a  H if he literally pops in 2 minutes each time and no actual bonding time with the provider lol. My H is never a wham bam thank you mam . I relax with my clients, talk, offer snacks and all lol. I offer more than just "pops" and that's the kind of clients I gladly attract and seek.

I was born a minority lol  so that doesn't change in the minds of some in this business. As with me, I don't allow that to effect how I run my business or how I view myself. Business is great and so are ALL the clients I've had the pleasure of having an encounter with.

xoxo

Would you want a guy feeling that he deserved a discount / refund if he got 0 pops in an entire hour? My advice would be to not treat it like a pure business transaction. For the guy it's a fantasy and he's trying to enjoy that as much as possible in the time he has. Help him experience that fantasy for the time he has and he'll be back enough that it won't matter.  While I don't deal with many, the ones I do deal with are regulars - and having regulars is better and safer than trying to squeeze in as many as you can.

Kudos to you for trying to do the best you can in the biz. I met you once and seeing your concern about this actually makes me want to meet you again ;)

Back when I started hobbying in the U.S.  I would only do HH or QV sessions.  It wasn't necessarily by design, it was just market I suppose.  The first hour long session I got was an eye opener.  After we were done the first time and cleaned up, we talked for a bit and then she initiated the second round.  I suppose that set the tone e.g. hour session = 2 pops.  It wasn't until recently when I started to notice a shift in the market.  I drove up to D. C. (3 hrs) to see a provider that I had wanted to see for sometime, her rate was $400.  We got acquainted, did the do, and then she proceeded to get up and get dressed making up some excuse about running errands.  Needless to say I was a bit peeve but I just went on about my business and made my way back home.  Since then i have ran into that several times, even with providers charging as much as $500/hr.  To me that is just bad business.  Nowadays providers seem to think that a their presence alone is worth X amount of dollars and that the john should be happy with just one pop.  Take the following into consideration:

1) You said "it's not my fault you finished so fast" well it kinda is.  he saw the pictures, got excited, service matched or exceeded his excitement and he popped fast.  It happens, clients aren't porn stars, in fact no one is, not even porn stars, we are going to pop fast on the first nut because of the excitement, the build up, and probably abstaining from sex before seeing our fantasy girl (in this case you).

2) Money doesn't grow on trees.  I know a provider looks at locations or appointments and thinks dollar signs, but for the majority of the hobbying community $300 is lot of money.  Maybe for some it is pocket change, but For others it's about 3 to 5 days worth or pay.  I too would feel ripped off if I blew $300 on an hour long session and blew in the first 20 mins and couldn't go again.  

3) Hobbyists, especially those here on TER look at reviews, so if the majority of your reviews say "Multiple Pops Allowed: Yes" then that is going to be expected.  If that is not the case then you should make sure you state that on your website or let that be known somehow.  For me, MSOG is a deal breaker, I simply don't have that kind of money to waste on someone who is going to get me to blow fast then waste the remainder of the hour talking and adding fluff time.  If it happens then she definitely won't be on my list of ladies to see again.

4) Providers spend so much time devising ways to get more money out of a session e.g. requiring 90 minute initial sessions for "get to know you time" or the one and done session that IMO it has gone away from what it started out as.  I wouldn't say that you're out of touch, I would just say that you've gotten the wrong type of advice as far as customer satisfaction.  I'd much rather see a lady that offered a second pop, even if I decline, than one who tries to bs the rest of the hour away.  For me her review will reflect how I felt things were handled, even if I smile and nod as she is rushing me out.

Posted By: Mochaabarbie

Ok so this is a very sensitive topic and I just had my most awkward encounter as a provider because of it. I think I'm a fantastic provider because I sincerely enjoy what I do and connect with the people I come across. I have came a long way from when I first started where I would just go on appointments to fuck and leave, I had to understand that men don't just want somebody that's a nice fuck, but somebody whose company they enjoy being around overall and I try to be that.  
 So today I had this guy come over and everything was fine but he popped pretty early, after we lie on the bed and are talking and I'm telling him about myself and my life and he continues to play with me then he asks about a rubber but I tell him I only offer  One pop an hour and he kinda tries to talk me into going again and that it's what everybody is doing but other providers that I know old or young don't offer multiple pops only really seen a few that has. And at this point I am kind of uncomfortable and in a weird situation, he then says if he had known that for my rate he wouldn't have done it and asked for a refund, which wasn't cool because I am very much worth every penny I ask for it's not my fault you finished so fast, but at this point I've agreed to let us go again but the mood has been killed. I feel like shit being in a situation like this so I start bawling my eyes out trying to get him going again and he's not into it and says it's not gonna work and left. I feel REALLLLLY bad especially because I never wanted somebody to spend time with me and not feel like it was time and money well spent. But I'm just wondering are ladies seriously offering two pops and am I out of touch? I doubt it's something I could ever really offer but I feel like I could not make it so professional all the time and use my discretion at time with certain people.

If a provider turns me on I will be ready to go again after a 10 minute rest between pops. I will start to get another erection. Many are surprised to see that happen with someone in there mid 50s. If a provider tells me she only does one pop per hour I won't see her again. It is nice to chit chat and bond. Excessively it comes off as a scheme to get a guy to purchase multiple hours imho.

Very impressed with your maturity in taking constructive criticism.  As has already been said here many times, multiples is the standard practice for an hour, especially at your price point.

The deviation to this practice, that I've noticed, is with some of the Asian agencies and the girls on BP that market 15 or 30 minute visits.

This is all fictional and for entertainment purposes only ;)
There's a reason I charge what I charge, and MSOG is one of the reasons why I feel confident charging what I charge. A client is paying me for the HOUR, not for any single service rendered. I've met and known quite a few ladies in the business (I took a few years off, but have worked in the hobby for 10+ years) and have never known any of them to NOT allow it. I really think that sort of gets into offering a "menu" of services, which may be fine at a different pricing threshold, and maybe you can make it work for you, but I think, unless you are upfront about it all the time, you will find some gentlemen disappointed.  

Actually, I think whatever YOU are comfortable with can be made to work, so long as your potential clients know what to expect.  

That said, to the gentlemen: PLEASE don't attempt to start something new 5-10 minutes before your time is up, unless you discuss it and agree to pay more. It puts us in a very uncomfortable predicament.

If you are going to effectively stop the session 10 minutes early, you should discuss this with the customer and agree to have him pay less (1!6 of the time is about 15% less)

That should help with your discomfort.

Your profile says multiple pops are available. It is the providers responsibility to contact TER Admin and correct errors on her profile.

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