Actually, I asked a provider myself about why she did not see AA. She said she had had a terrifying experience and she felt scared from seeing AA.
I felt she was offended bcause she responded : do you think i am a racist? and felt that turned her off :p
I am a 5'10, 35 year old pretty well built and respectful African American male who has been hobbying for close to five years now. I am currently in the top 25 in Atlanta as far as reviewing providers and most of my experiences have been positive except for the occasional bait and switch scenario.
The reason I am writing this is because lately I have seen a rash of providers that do not wish to see AA hobbyists. While I surely am not one to question a provider's personal preference, it has occured to me that some providers are starting to follow this trend not because of a personal preference, but because they see someone else doing it, or they get a horror story from another provider.
This saddends me because as far as I knew it, assholes come in all shapes, sizes, and COLORS. I never see the AA providers don't say "No white men." No one says, no Indians, or Latinos, or any other nationality. So why the negativity towards us? CHEAP, STANK, BAD MANNERS, and the like come from everyone. So why are we singled out? It even goes so far as to being that one provider, who shall remain nameless, has done VERY well because of the post I gave her (I was her first and that started her being posted a lot). She and I had a great connection and I was always good to her. Next thing you know, she posts "no AA men," and wont even speak to me or at least tell me what happened.
Are there a few providers who post here that do not wish to see AA men that can tell me why we are singled out? Please let me know as I am quite interested in your answers. And please be brutally honesty. Much appreciated.
CDAV
Actually, I asked a provider myself about why she did not see AA. She said she had had a terrifying experience and she felt scared from seeing AA.
I felt she was offended bcause she responded : do you think i am a racist? and felt that turned her off :p
You think racial discrimination is the only kind in the hobby? I've had providers turn me away because of my age (61). Deal with it and move on.
Certainly not as much as pricing critiques, ncns complaints, rants about fake pics, etc. It's just that this particular topic throws people into kneejerk response mode. Your response, case in point.
mine isn't the only "kneejerk" response. In reference to a post near the end, I find it interesting that we never see any threads complaing about black women who won't see black men.
You're grasping at straws to find fault with a perfectly legitimate topic.
Gnarly said it best. I don't care that some providers have it as a TRUE preference. What bothers me is that I have heard others doing it just because they saw someone else do it, or have heard someone else's story. But it's all good. Several of you have hit me in the PM box. Thank you for the kind words...and to those ladies who invited me to see them...I definitely may be taking you up on the offer very soon! 
. I am sure it will take my mind COMPLETELY away from this issue for good!
Cdav
Of all the damn things one needs to be worried about, you are worried about why a provider doesn’t want to take your money and fuck you.
Dude, for every one that doesn’t there is at least 5 that gladly would.
. I am sure it will take my mind COMPLETELY away from this issue for good!Cdav
So telling him to move on is pretty useless. Especially since he didn't say "he guys, what I should I do about it?"
Really, you could say "just move on" to any other complaint that makes its way onto this board. But I'm guessing the no AA policy complaint is the only one that elicits that particular response from you. So why does a black man discussing what I imagine to be an incredibly annoying occurrence for him bother YOU so much?
If a search of your previous comments reveals that you regularly tell OPs to get over their grievances, then I apologize and stand corrected.
I asked this question when I first got to Atlanta as well, and recieved millions of different answers, which most made no sense at all. I agree that bad hobbyists do come in all shapes, sizes, and COLORS. As do providers. My personal opinion is to judge the man and not his AGE or RACE. But in the end it is ultimately the providers decision. I believe there are alot of providers here (besides myself) that still see AA hobbyists and older hobbyists. I hope you find the answers you are looking for. Keep your spirit up Im sure you are a wonderful man!!!
xoxo
Sunny
Well put I couldn't add anymore to it then what she said babe! I don't & will not judge by race or age but on Respect towards me .
xoxoxo
xoxo
Sunny
Thank you Sydnee!!!!
xoxo
Sunny
I know of an Asian place that won't allow me in as a client, but I am not going to cry and complain about it on the boards.
Just get over it and accept it.
cdav i just looked at who you've reviewed and i would consider you a respected member. I've never experienced racism so i can't understand how you may feel.
"Racism" Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama sadly there are sick individuals in these States who dislike individuals because of their skin color! Ladies do not want to lose business, if the word gets out that she's blowing AA men some racist clients may stop seeing her meaning she will lose business.
"Fear" AA men are well known for committing crimes not to say whites don't commit them Ted Bundy and the Craig list guy were white, but Blacks are responsible for 51 percent of rapes, 67 percent of robberies, and 35 percent of assaults. I'm on vacation and i had to stop and pump some gas in a crime filled neighborhood and i have to admit i was scared as hell while pumping my gas!
Personal Preference Some woman don't fuck black men because of their Dick Size, others family Culture not to date out side of their race. Just as Men may have a personal preference not to fuck ugly or fat woman. Another example vegetarians who choose not to eat meat.
Hang in there cdav for every five ladies that turn you down theirs another five hundred who can't wait to take your money lol.
The reason I am writing this is because lately I have seen a rash of providers that do not wish to see AA hobbyists. While I surely am not one to question a provider's personal preference, it has occured to me that some providers are starting to follow this trend not because of a personal preference, but because they see someone else doing it, or they get a horror story from another provider.
This saddends me because as far as I knew it, assholes come in all shapes, sizes, and COLORS. I never see the AA providers don't say "No white men." No one says, no Indians, or Latinos, or any other nationality. So why the negativity towards us? CHEAP, STANK, BAD MANNERS, and the like come from everyone. So why are we singled out? It even goes so far as to being that one provider, who shall remain nameless, has done VERY well because of the post I gave her (I was her first and that started her being posted a lot). She and I had a great connection and I was always good to her. Next thing you know, she posts "no AA men," and wont even speak to me or at least tell me what happened.
Are there a few providers who post here that do not wish to see AA men that can tell me why we are singled out? Please let me know as I am quite interested in your answers. And please be brutally honesty. Much appreciated.
CDAV
Don't take it personal just move on. There are many reasons that I have heard. Lack of respect for that provider, want too much for they money. Or they are too big, the reasons go on and on.
For every 1 white provider that won't see you, 10 more will meet with you no questions asked.
Its what you get after seeing the wrong girl
"Next thing you know, she posts "no AA men," and wont even speak to me or at least tell me what happened."
That is fucked up. Obviously, she can do what she wants and who knows what happened after she saw you that would lead her to the 'no AA' rule. But not even giving you an explanation after you helped her in the beginning? That is just uncool and says way more about her than you.
PM me who she is so I can make a note never to see her (or see her again if that's the case lol).
Sir C
Two points,
In Atlanta, I bet there are more AA men that are in the hobby than other races. That is just speculation because of the make-up of the city and marriage rates among AA etc. So I wonder by excluding AA men they don't get any clientele (or as much).
Second point, I wonder if the thug culture puts people off, especially women. When I go the 'dance' clubs, it always seems like the fights or the shootings seem to be started by AA thugs. Obviously that isn't the norm but it isn't hard to notice a trend.
I am AA and I think we are cursed because some people don't want to act right.
Also, in some of those posts, AA women say not to AA men.
Sorry you have to deal with this. But, I guess some girls have preferences. I'm cool with anyone that passes my screening!
sk
I would like to say that I empathize with you, but being an older white male I don't think that I truly can. The truth is that everyone in life carries preferences and biases. We can call them anything we want, but in the end we all favor or disfavor certain things. Race is such a fiery topic that it is easy to have this discussion. I doubt we would be seeing a posting and debate like this in response to a provider's ad seeking only men in height over 6 feet. We already see many ads restricted to mature gentlemen and those over the age of 35. Personally, I think a woman can seek those gentlemen she prefers, and not have to explain her reasoning. And the day I see an ad forbidding old, short, white men with too large a belly, I will just sigh and move on. I will figure it is just her loss lol.
To me, wouldn't you want to know up front if she has a preference? I personally do not think it is a bad thing if they put something like that out front. I myself am an older bigger white guy. If this is something that a lady does not like, I would rather know before I go to the appointment then after a lackluster appointment because one of my characteristics was something that turned her off. Just like when we make an appointment we are looking for something that turns us on, how can you blame them if they have some preferences of their own? I agree there is a difference because one is the customer and one is the provider, but if they don't really want to see somebody like me, then I would rather know ahead of time. IMHO.
Kind of sucks if you have to say up front.
"Yea, I am black, are you into that?, NO, sigh"
Unfortunately, in America...
Think of these stereotypes.
Asian American Male - In America, this stereotype has been associated with geekiness, academics, meekness.
East Indian American Male - same thing.
African American Males - the stereotype has been associated with violence, aggression, jail, etc.
I am AA, I don't like the stereotype and I know the thug type. Even the thugs are misunderstood. But I guess to a provider, they may tend to lump all AAs in the same group.
It's all in our communication leading up to our meeting and the screening process. The only color that concerns me is green.
I have heard that often a provider will still see you if you act respectably and pass her screening, but she has to put this in her ads either because her SO doesn't want her seeing black men, or her pimp doesn't want any other AA men attempting to steal his girl away from him, et cetera.....
I have met clients who mortifyingly asked me during the middle of our meeting, "You don't see black guys do you?" with a look of terror on their faces because round 1 had already happened and I would lie and tell them no just to keep the situation cool. That is a fact.
so maybe you only see what you want to see. I wonder if you voted for any candidate other than Obama in '08. If that's true did you vote for him because he is black ? It sure wasn't because he was the most qualified to run this country. He wasnt even close to any of them. Hilary had more qualifications and experience in her toenails than Obama does even still today.
It is what it is and it seems somebody who has been around for 5 years and seen as many as you have could have figured it out by now. Personal preference is personal preference and in the end maybe this very OP of yours is the answer you seek.
No...I didn't vote for Obama thank you. I am a business owner and I understand economics and capitalism WELL. Romney is a great capitalist...but damn he's a bad liar and flip flops more than Obama! It's like picking the worst of the two rotten apples! But that's for another place, another time.
Then since you understand business so well you should know that all businesses , including the business of selling pussy , have a target market they cater to. Why would somebody take the chance of jeapordizing their bread and butter, which could be in the form of old school Dixie who sees them twice a month, to see you one time.
Hey, I like the way you skipped ahead to this November and avoided '08. If this was the P and R board I may have had to ask if you would have said Romney if the Hermanator was still in the race.
People have a choice whom to associate with or not when it comes to their private lives. Civil rights, feelings of equality and what not doesn’t really matter, when it comes to personal choice. Moreover, even if they see you, what fun are you going to have. There are many racial stigma attached to many races, who the fuck cares?
Manipulating anyone to do anything they don't want to or enjoy is nothing more than imposing your will on them, call it whatever the fuck you want to call.
Note: I am not white or Black or oriental, or latino, or european, or hispanic! Have never run into this problem and I tell the provider ahead of time what racial classification I belong to. I am very well aware of the stereo typing of my ethnicity.
"Remember this: You can only exercise your freedom as long as your right to exercising yours doesn't interfere from others exercising theirs”. Fundamental tenants of a free society and it appears everyone has forgotten this simple contract between people.
Is when an AA provider won't see AA clients....
however I do have two black bi-female friends and we have yummy good sex together.
You said brutally honest.
The reason I am writing this is because lately I have seen a rash of providers that do not wish to see AA hobbyists. While I surely am not one to question a provider's personal preference, it has occured to me that some providers are starting to follow this trend not because of a personal preference, but because they see someone else doing it, or they get a horror story from another provider.
This saddends me because as far as I knew it, assholes come in all shapes, sizes, and COLORS. I never see the AA providers don't say "No white men." No one says, no Indians, or Latinos, or any other nationality. So why the negativity towards us? CHEAP, STANK, BAD MANNERS, and the like come from everyone. So why are we singled out? It even goes so far as to being that one provider, who shall remain nameless, has done VERY well because of the post I gave her (I was her first and that started her being posted a lot). She and I had a great connection and I was always good to her. Next thing you know, she posts "no AA men," and wont even speak to me or at least tell me what happened.
Are there a few providers who post here that do not wish to see AA men that can tell me why we are singled out? Please let me know as I am quite interested in your answers. And please be brutally honesty. Much appreciated.
CDAV
Middle aged, balding fat men with small pleasure units and more c notes than c sense.
It sucks to be cut out from a target of your erection. Does not happen often but there are a few AA women that do not want to see white men. The worst discrimination I deal with are ladies that do not accept skinny wallets, that is frustrating, cannot imagine the frustration built up from racial exclusions.
Keep searching dude. It sucks, but what can you do, lady gets to choose who the lady wants to scrxx.
A few ways:
1 claim that a "preference" based on "race" isn't racist
2 claim that AAs are thugs and violent, or that they like "thug life"
3 claim that AAs should not complain about recent trends that seem racially motivated , since it's just "facts" deal with it...
All entertaining perspectives...
Ok how about this. You go fuck some old ass ugly fat worn out should have been retired 25 plus years ago chick! (NOT many of those around Atlanta) OR you go with what FITS and go with the flow (You WILL have a fabulous time this way) OR you continue with negativity and end up "Fucked" anyway because you dwell on that, the NEAGATIVE! Sooo why not just find a lady that everything is a go and um.... GO FOR IT!!
Either way, I hope you find what makes YOU happy.
Hugs and kisses
TL
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Offering a service to everybody who has money UNLESS they're of a specific race is hardly the same as a paying client opting to see the type of provider he's attracted to. Not to mention the comparison of black men to an "old ass ugly fat worn out should have been retired 25 plus years ago chick."
You've shown a lot of tact here, though.
it is simply a prefernce. Thats all. FYI I am fine with any race but if a lady CHOOSES not to see an AA then it is her preference. SOme ladies are just not attracted to AA men. It is what it is and nothing anyone can do to change that. So why not find one that DOES and go see one of them. No use trying to convince a lady thats not going to hear it. it is HER body and her preference.
Hugs and kisses
TL
...a racist one. Call it whatever you like, but that's still the case.
Yea ok! lmao!! I will be expecting to see a review of that woman that you are totally NOT attracted to soon. You are very narrow minded if you think that is racist.
TL
Have you ever thought that some people might be tired of the race card being pulled out every time this subject get brought up? Agree with my way of thought or you are a racist! Please....STFU. You are not going to be successful in trying to guilt trip me with your reverse psychology babble. Everyone has a choice of who they want to see and that includes providers too. Plain and simple. Her choice will always be more important than your quest to find out why she may or may not want to see certain individuals. It's called freedom, and I value your choice to see who you want just as much. If you don't like that a provider doesn't see specific races, then don't see them.
notice that you are the one saying STFU not me ...
Fair enough. I do apologize about that part only.
I did not even read all the posts in this thread. Been discussed many times and always the same responses. The fact remains that until the hobby ever becomes legalized, ladies will have the right to choose who they wish to see and last I checked, guys have the same right as well.
Have to admit though that being the fine-figure of a wheezing geezer that I am; I would be concerned if I thought I noticed a trend on ladies specifying a minimum criteria on size or stamina. I mean we overweight, outtashape, quick on the trigger guys need lovin too, right?
Seriously, CDAV - I have enjoyed your reviews and have found you are usually spot-on when it comes to massage-related providers. So it is the lady's loss if she chooses not to see you, assuming she offers decent FBSM service. Selfishly, don't let the AA thing bother you - such advertising is usually cyclical.
The provider will not be able to refuse service based on race or gender.
Why take it personally? I'd rather not see someone who is not going to enjoy being with me.
And if she's spending time with clients she isn't attracted to on a regular basis unless they're black, yea, it does make her a racist.
Ok, I see this piece is still going lol. Wow! I am FULL NATIVE AMERICAN. I am very much into my culture and understand it as well. Yes we are intermixed with AA, whether it be through slavery or roots back to beginning. Go through the Genealogy sections of google to learn. Idk, this is crazy last time I checked even God says we are the same. But for technical purposes and to gain knowledge of your ancestry read up on it. I have included a link to just one site that isnt the best but helps. My Blackfoot Nation sites will even help. Through slavery everyone mixed together. And yes Natives were first on North America, lol, but seriously all of our continents were together at one time, so to say we are all different is not true. Further more if Adam and Eve were the first, think about that. I cannot stand racism as I have dealt with it all my life bieng native. This is not to bash anyone or argue but seriously what I am reading is nonsense. Just read and learn, do some studying before you think you know. LOVE ALL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
Unless I am reading this wrong, not all Natives are mixed. I could be wrong though
http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/easterncher.html
Some were denied payment because they were found to be white, black, etc
This is very interesting stuff though really
Hugs and kisses
TL
1. It is her body and she can choose who she wants to let in it, on it, or around it and she does not owe you or anyone else an explanation ever.
2. Just because a woman does not want to see a black man does not mean she's racist. She just doesn't want to have his dick in her mouth, ass, or pussy. I think that's pretty reasonable.
3. Contrary to what people in this hobby may think this is not a "the customer is always right" type of business. If I don't like you I'm going to make damn sure you enjoy the HELL out of me but I will most likely never see you again and I don't owe you or anyone else an explanation. You came, you fucked, you paid, you leave. End of transaction. You may want to add fluffy language to that but at the end of the day to some people that's all that it is.
4. Women can and will choose to not see races of men because that's how they are brought up, they're not attracted to them, they scare them, their dicks are too big, whatever the case may be. She has that right and again doesn't have to explain that to you or anyone else. At all.
5. Why would you want to see someone who will not be attracted to you? I wouldn't.
These are again some of the things that you should think about. We are ALL capable of making up our own mind about who we want to see and what races we don't want to see. In a business that is incredibly intimate I would imagine eliminating those with whom they'll share little attraction to is just good business for them.
If I open a restaurant and I don't put the type of food served anywhere and people don't know what's in it then I'm setting myself up to disappoint people who show up. That's a broad generalization but the fact is that if they don't narrow down the field a little bit then the ONLY person they're disappointing in the end is YOU.
If you showed up and a woman didn't know you were AA and she was hostile or gave you bad service because of that wouldn't you have wanted to know ahead of time that she wasn't attracted to or partial to seeing AA men?
Just a little food for thought.
And no I have no ban against AA men. I love most men, not all of you dirty bastards, but most of you. I don't discriminate on race just intelligence.
or racism either...
what being a provider is like! Are you a provider? Probably not! When you go out to eat the next time, try ordering something you just dont like to eat, make sure you eat it all now. We as providers have every right to choose who we want to fuck! Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? Surely you are NOT calling me racist! Hell I am not partial to any race, I am just stating the facts.
Oh BTW can I shove my big purple cock up your ass? Let me know
Hugs and kisses
TL
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is all the ladies who say "I don't deny AAs", yet they're arguing for the ladies that do with such passion and anger. Too much protesting if you ask me. If you're as indifferent to the subject as you claim, why are you going so far out of your way to chide the OP for bringing up this subject?
And let's not be disingenuous here. Providers are able to put their physical "preferences" aside when seeing clients. That's why they're providers. That's why they can make a living doing this. Why does everyone conveniently forget that when this topic comes up? You think these ladies love the sight of every white gent that walks through the door? Haha, cmon.
I don't run across escort ads with a laundry list of "preferences." I do, however, see a lot of ads denying black men service. Suggesting that the proliferation of these types of ads carries no racial bias (ie racism) is pretty asinine.
First, the OP asked for brutal honesty. Second, I am just trying to help others understand why some ladies dont entertain AA's. Call it what you want but at the end of the day I only fuck gents that I want to see. Black, white, purple or yellow does not matter BUT I do know ladies that do not see AAs and I have discussed this with them. Just maybe some of us providers see the other side of things. Hobbyist see one side, we can see both sides so as odd as it seems, some of us are just trying to help others understand "WHY" this happens.
Maybe some providers can put thier physical preferences to the side BUT not all ladies do this. To me the most attractive man is one that is clean, courteous, well mannered, intelligent and fucks me good! There is no color in there! a gentleman is a gentleman and thats it!
FYI I have seen ads that say gents over 40, no obese, no one under 30, no india guys etc but why is none of that ever called out? Its all the same. It is a personal preference. My personal preference is to have a nice fat cock reguarless of the race ( I do PREFER men over 30 though) 
What I find odd is how you come on here and state what it is like for a provider when you are not one.
After you have been a hooker for a year, then come back and tell me how it is or should be.
Hugs and kisses
TL
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for me. Racism is a word that is pure hate. No use trying to explain to you why ladies prefer what they do. Stay stuck where you are. May I suggest you GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON to a lady that will truely enjoy your company. If the lady does not want to see you for ANY reason then find another. As I have said OVER and OVER there are thousands of ladies in Atlanta that DO see AAs so find another. No use attacking me over this because I am just trying to help others understand. If you cant accept that then IDK WTF to tell you. I really dont even know why I am responding to you because you just dont get it and probably never will. I wish you the best and please try to find a lady that truely enjoys your company. Not sure why you would want to see one that wouldnt enjoy it anyway.
TL
You know, there's quite a bit of irony in you telling someone else to "get over it" while being so emotionally vested in this discussion. I guess you have more of a right to feelings than the person that the topic actually affects.
Agreed and I have a couple of points:
I think it is classic "racist", it is almost word for word racist like in the restaurant and hotel signs from the 50s and 60s. "No blacks allowed".
Sure, we don't look to providers for their take on civil rights and not all providers are like this. The OP and others can certainly go elsewhere. But let's at least call these kind of posting bad for business and bad for the hobby. What is the opposite? "I welcome everyone and love everyone". I would much rather see those posts than those singling out people to exclude.
And what is there reasoning behind the posts? I bet some of providers end up seeing a bunch of thugs (black thugs) and think that all AA men are like that. That isn't the case. What are you going to refuse Obama? You might word your posts, "No thugs or smelly, convicts". I don't know.
Im surprised that people are still surprised by these ads. Given the history of this country and this region in particular. Let it go. Fly some ladies in. Take a few trips outside the US, where no one gives cr@p how tan you are. Trust me you will have a lot more fun than spending time with someone who doesn't really want to see you
This has definitely been debated ad nauseum. Racism is a little different than the other analogies in that in the past skin color was used to enslave and deny basic rights. Those memories carry over to today and so it becomes more about how it makes one feel as opposed to logic.
Well said.
Everyone has something that they carry but slavery is
This nations original sin. Sucks for all.
When you put up a sign, "No Blacks Allowed" or posts with "No Blacks", there is the actual case (this is Georgia after all) that the person you are about to meet is racist. No blacks is not friendly civil rights terminology for "we welcome everyone".
African American men and blacks in America do have to worry about being victims of racism. They could not have read a provider's "No Blacks" message and when a black hobbyist gets to a providers location, some white pimp starts shooting at him.
Some providers keep talking about "preferences", maybe it is a provider's preference to rob from black hobbyists. And I would hate for this trend to continue. Sure one or two on BP are posting "No AA men" but shouldn't we try to say that the trend isn't OK?
A provider has a right to post that message but some of us are saying you can also rethink how you word your ads and maybe even your "preference". And I think everyone appreciates the provider that is open-minded and without the crazy preferences, extra tips for you.
Please tell me I don't have to start dating like a normal person.
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