The murdered provider they talked about was Alexis in Las Vegas. It is important to point out that she was NOT murdered by a client. She was killed in her home, which was not used for incall (she only did outcall). The prime suspect is her slimy boyfriend, who I belive LE is still looking for. She was killed the last week in June.
Hobbyist Cheesewiz (or cheezewiz) was the guest. He was walking about the provider that was murdered in Vegas. He also touched on the "bar escort" scene in Vegas. He puts a very human touch on things when he says that he can't Hobby anymore due to the loss of such a great friend. You can see the pain is still fresh when he talks about her.
It's interesting watching the Hobby through another persons eyes.
Cheezewiz claims to have spent about $150,000 on this Hobby so far.
So I vote for Cheezewiz for the "Hobbyist of the Month (october)". Any seconds on this?
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Hi,
I didn't watch Dateline last night. Who was the provider that was murdered? It seems to be happening everywhere. It makes me nervous because I am traveling to different cities now.
Providers be careful out there!!!
Screen!! Screen!! Screen!!
Selena
I heard a provider was raped in Freeport LI buy 2 assholes at his home, they said it was in the paper. Does anyone know the details?
there have been many instances of violence against providers over the past few months, quite a few resulting in death. What's also troubling is the mean spirited, mysoginist point of views that are becoming more frequent on message boards.
mi·sog·y·nist
mi·sog·y·ny ( hatred of women )
Alexa...mean spirited...yes(sometimes)...misogyny...NO...I believe the majority of NY ter members(myself included) whom post on this board absolutely, unequivocally,adore women.
As an aside, I for one appreciate your posts on this board from a female perspective.
Cheers!
((mi·sog·y·nist
mi·sog·y·ny ( hatred of women )
Alexa...mean spirited...yes(sometimes)...misogyny...NO...I believe the majority of NY ter members(myself included) whom post on this board absolutely, unequivocally,adore women.))
Contrary to popular belief, most "hobbyist, johns, clients" whatever you wish to call yourselves, do hate women on some level.
It has been said that 99.99% of hookers are hookers because they have some sort of hatred towards men ie: They have been raped, molested as children, and or physically, mentally or emtionally abused. And the same has been said about why some men pay women to have sex with them.
We are not in this "pay for sex world" because we do not have some kind of issues towards the people we are dealing with.
It's how you deal with them that's important.
The clients that are hurting, killing, and raping escorts obviously have no other way of dealing with their issues.
Sadly.
"Contrary to popular belief, most "hobbyist, johns, clients" whatever you wish to call yourselves, do hate women on some level."...and other degrading stuff about "hookers" and making us all out to be hoodlums. I mean no disrespect but I seriously don't think you speak for the well reviewed TER provider data base.
TER members like myself represent ONLY a segment and percentage of a customer base for providers.I'm sure providers have other sources of customers.Like any good, going business concern... based on TER's statistics...a business would most definitely want to market our database.(TER's policy is understandly that it is not for sale...thank God) If I point to just statistics,let's look at the TER segment. Half of us are married, 80% have Associates degrees or beyond,higher income levels... and so on and so on...Check out the surveys yourself.That being said....
We are not about to spend $$$(64% of us shell out at least this much per hour) and up... because we hate women.Quite the contrary.
We are customers of providers we choose to see and whom choose to see us because of an increased level of sophistication,choice, and reduced risk that is afforded by the The Erotic Review service.The providers that I have met are all classy women whom screen out the varments you speak of.They are certainly rewarded handsomely for their efforts but most seem to genuinely appreciate their time spent with us as an added bonus.There favorable reviews speak for themselves.These are not "hookers"(talk about degrading yourself) who see an entirely different client base with higher volume and risks, and at a much,much, much cheaper price.That's a whole different world...and one that I will not participate in.So I stand by my statement 100%.
I believe the majority of NY ter members(myself included) whom post on this board absolutely, unequivocally,adore women.
There will always be a few bad tomatoes in th bunch. You see them at the ball games...We are not women hating hoodlums but the majority of us are decent, human beings & fun loving(women especially)guys.
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One will encounter strange, dangerous and odd individuals in any line of work.
To say that men that see escorts are "women haters" and that women that are escorts are "theives" is the same thing as saying all priests are moral.
There is game and sludge in any industry (even religion). There is a lot of it in the entertainment business but equal amounts in marketing, business, sales and real estate. Anybody ever buy a car? Sick of them putting on the pullshit sales tactics and manipulation? Both parties get what they want. But we all wish it could be different. And that is why Saturn made the stride at flat rate, nonnegotiatiable deals. An odd analogy but I think the auto thing has some similarities. Men cream over cars like they cream over women and probably go through as much trouble if not more, making that purchase.
Let's really break this down outside of auto dealer row....
Hobbyists...5% might have "women issues", 20%!! might be shy or really enjoy the companionship element, 30% married or have girlfriend, 10% between relationships, 15% jaded/wondering if they will ever find love again or what it really is, 10% looking for "the perfect woman", 10% free riding/get bored easily.
Providers...10% students, 25% single parents, 10% older women who don't want to be tied down but like male company, 5% materialistic male hating hustling wenches, 5% boyfriend living off of them/bad male influence, %15 very independent women. 5% run their own businesses, 15% sick of the 9-5 grind, 15% aspiring model/actress/singer whatever.
That's my take.
Back to polish the hubcaps...
HB
...but I wonder if the math stats are accurate, especially if the number of women in the biz add up to 105%.
Seriously, your analysis of hobbyists and providers as to type is right on and I appreciate your post on this topic. Thank you.
We've been down this road before on the Las Vegas board when Alexis was killed.
She was found dead in her own home, far away from anywhere a client would have been with her. Not one client, myself included (it was my inquiries that led to LE finding her body) were suspected of the crime. Her boyfriend is still wanted by the LVPD, so far as I know. Her BF, not her client.
Yes, there are people with issues in the hobby, male and female, but your analysis is wrong. They aren't as plentiful as you may believe. There were other recent incidents of provider deaths and as I recall no clients had any involvement in them as well.
Perhaps amongst those practicing the "hobby" on the street are as you describe, but I seriously doubt your allegations relative to this level of the hobby.
and most importantly, I'm very sorry you feel as you do.
I...Y...Tomatoe...Tomato, you get the gist of what I'm saying.
I appreciate that you think my posts are valuable contributions to TER, but don't ignore the negative comments that are made by others. It's very indicative of a segment of hobbyist's and their view towards providers.
There will always be a couple of rotten ones in any bunch but I stand firm that the vast majority of us... absolutely, unequivocally,adore women.
Please check out my reply to Vanessa.
Alexia, I hear what you are saying but these women aren't exactly girl scouts. Prostitution is a dirty buisness and inevitably you will encounter pimps, murderers, drug addicts and thieves. Hopefully most of these women will build a clientele that they can trust so they won't have to endure the pain of meeting those kinds of people but like the old saying goes, "IF YOU CAN"T STAND THE HEAT........."
not much information given out.
and hang them by their balls in Times Square...On New Years Eve
,around Midnight,no less, and no more...from you know what!
The murdered provider they talked about was Alexis in Las Vegas. It is important to point out that she was NOT murdered by a client. She was killed in her home, which was not used for incall (she only did outcall). The prime suspect is her slimy boyfriend, who I belive LE is still looking for. She was killed the last week in June.
...by the Hobbyist. They are usually boyfriends, pimps and some are possibly drug related.
Yes,
I also saw the small story in Newsday about the poor 18 year old gal who was raped by the slimeballs in Freeport. I am surprised that the agency didn't do a better job of screening. Anyone know who the agency was ?
Makes me shake my head.
Too bad also that Vanessa feels the way she does. Just like it takes all kinds of hobbyists, the same with providers.
Alexia comes through as a sweethart and then you have Vanessa who I don't know but certainly doesn't give the best impression of herself with her comments.
by the above responses to Vanessa's post, I can tell that most hobbyist can't really comprehend what's being said, because they don't behave that way and don't encounter this.
Thinking that these acts are only perpetrated by low class people is just plain naive. You'd be surprised at the amount of verified clients with six figure incomes, and a family life that beat, rape, or rob providers as well. It's not about class, it's about the power. We ladies know the reality of it.
1way, I really hope I didn't make you uncomfortable. Ladies really don't discuss out in the open. It's like a waiter at a Italian restaurant telling you where the veal comes from. I've been lucky, but know of quite a few girls who weren't.
Although basic capitalist principles are involved also remember we really put ourselves out there.
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location of residence or quantity of education "completed". It is an inherent characteristic in both men and women regardless of those earlier statements. It's a state of mind.
That, I believe, is what 1WAY may have meant - but if he didn't, then it's simply a statement from me.
Also, women are BY FAR the most beautiful beings on this planet and, I believe, most of us cherish them dearly!
In many cases, you make many of our lives bearable.
IMHO
I never said class was represented by quantity of money. I said verified, six figure incomes and a family - What many of us consider upper class or upper middle class. Which was in response to the statement that violence towards providers is usually carried out by pimps, drug users, and gentlemen that patronize cheaper priced girls.
I would like to know how my comments don't give a good impression of myself?
I am speaking from what I know because:
1. It's being posted in this very thread about rapes, murders,and escort beatens.
and
2. As Alexia stated( thanks btw) "We" live this ,and know a bit more about the real goings on with other working girls then someone else would.
Not all clients are sweet, respectful and decent.
My knowledge comes from what us working girls share with each other ( you know, just like how you guys share which girls to avoid because they are rip offs) There are girls that have been beaten, robbed, and hurt by clients.. Clients they have screen very well, and yes, even clients that they have been seeing for years!
I understand not being able to grasp the fact that there are some men out there that hurt women intentional, especially if you are one of the good guys that can not fathom the idea of hurting a woman, working girl, or otherwise.
BTW, just to clarify, my original posts was in response to the growing number of working girls being hurt by clients. I understand the murder in Vegas was by a lover.
I admit there are MANY wonderful, sweet, respectful clients out there, and I have been VERY lucky to have met many, but there are some men out there that get off on hurting working girls.
It's Disgusting, and I wish such men did not exist.
stay safe.
As one of the nice guys, maybe I did take things the wrong way and I didn't mean any knock against you. I am aware there are many jerks out there that the screeing process can't block for you.
As one way said, as a good guy it's tough for me to fathom and like a meat eater who doesn't like to think about where it came from, I just prefer to block out the lousy experiences that nice ladies like you, Alexis and the few others that I have met (reading this Chantal ?) have experienced.
Good luck and stay safe.
in all walks of life, probably in all geographic locations, and in all societal groups. Hopefully, the good far outnumber the bad (although I am not convinced of this).
Reading all these posts a couple things become very apparent. First, terrible things happen to providers. Just like other women providers are subject to all kinds of abuse. Is it all from hobbyists? No, but it does happen. We need to be as careful as possible but even this will not guarantee our safety. It's just like you can go home and lock your doors, have private security cruising the neighborhood, set your alarm and still have a someone break into your house.
Second, reading the responses from the gentlemen on this board who are a little peeved with the fact that this type of thing happens shows the majority of guys are not this way.
We need to remember there are bad people in the world. Not bad hobbyists or bad providers, bad people in every walk of life. Just take care of yourself and use as much caution with things as you can.
Take care and be safe
Charis