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elegantGFEelise 3393 reads
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but chaffs at the mere thought of his own sister, mother, daughter being used in the same way?

I've always loved the two tier line of thought.  That you and yours are better than we and ours.

Do I smell a stinky hypocrite? PEE-U

Hell, who knows, you may have even "hobbied" a whoring soon to be chaste, caring, integrity driven nun...  

Stranger things have happened.

Basically, your argument lacks linear logical thought.

Nevermind you seem to be confused regarding your identity.

You can take a Logic class at local Jr. College and there are plenty of certified Gender Therapists to be found in most major cities.

You really can stop hating that young girl inside your heart.  You were only pulling the wool over your own eyes.  

Strong feminine side.  Now where have I heard that before?

Elise

I was talking with a provider friend of mine who told me she's thinking about changing her business structure a bit and migrate from offering hourly encounters to offering only longer term arrangements, like monthly or whatever timeframe she would deem appropriate.  Cool.

It was the way she described this transition that got my attention.  She described it as transitioning from being an escort (providing hourly encounters) to being a courtesan (focusing on the longer term arrangements).  We didn't discuss the differences between the two at all so I'm not fully clear on how she differentiates the two.

How does a courtesan differ from an escort to you and does it relate to the amount of time spent together at all?  Does the term "courtesan" imply a different kind or quality of experience than the term "escort"?  From a broad perspective, the terms could *almost* be considered synonymous, or at least they might be thought of that way by J6P.

For me, the term "courtesan" implies a more "intimate" experience since the lady would be more in tune with her sexuality and be in a mindset to expose her sexuality to me freely and openly.  I'm not saying an escort can't provide the same kind of experience but that's what comes to my mind when I hear the term "courtesan".

Your thoughts?

Peace...

I like to wear different hats depending on my mood. I am your dirty whore when I am wearing ripped nylons and smeared red lipstick, I am your slut when I wrap myself in saran wrap and tell you to jack off in my mouth slit, I am your concubine when I am tied up, your mistress when I am wearing a strap on, your escort when you have deperate needs that need attending to, your PSE when you must get something others don't provide, and your courtsean when you want to be on another planet for awhile. Everybody pays. It is one lady that does it all. She kicks off her stillettos and calls it a day when she clocks out, and sinks into the bathtub, vanishing into the bubbles.

Have you ever worn all of those hats in one session...

On an overnight yes, of course, and I don't pack light when I travel for a reason. Personally I am a big fan of after dinner taking off the Armani and spin wrapping up myself in saran wrap, then cutting out the orfices with an exacto knife and playing for keeps. After he recovers, then we jump into a cab and troll for SWs then go back to the suite and role play what we saw. Sleep? lol. He can sleep on the plane.

Semantics!......Though I tend to think of a courtesan as a woman skilled in the art of conversation, knowledgeble on many topics, highly independent and sexually charged. Which describes many of the wonderfull ladies here. The word itself lends to a "upper-class respectibility" as opposed to just escort. Please don't feel I'm diminshing escorts, I'm not. Just my thoughts. Peace.

Her description is far more detailed about a particular period in history.  Yours is more general and applicable across a wider range of history.

One thing, (meant for the general audience, not you personally), it's not a question of either this or that. It's about groups and subgroups.  All courtesans are escorts.  Some escorts are courtesans.

I've never really thought about a differance.  I have always thought of them as the same.  However with just a few seconds thought, I remembered the how I originally thought about escorts as people who would accompany someone to a social function or out for the evening.  I didn't think about it often, but when I thought of escorts as a teenager, I thought that most were only evening companions and that only a few would actually provide sexual services.  Courtesan seems to specifically mean a lady who provides private intimate services, and that word didn't enter my vocabulary until I started the hobby and I looked it up.  But I generally see them as practically the same in hobby.  I've seen some ladies describe themselves as courtesans in their ads, but it seemed to be mostly just a tantalizing marketing word.  These weren't women who confined themselves to long term arrangements.

Its all the same to me........

Now there is a significant difference or at least an expected one from escort to any of different ways you would call a streetwalker.

But Escort and Courtesan....there is none.

Other names that were used in Wildwest days, that I find interesting.


Soiled Doves, Ladies of ill repute and Ladies of easy virtue, shady ladies, good time girls and painted ladies.

Then there is always: providers, escorts, working girls, call girls, hookers, prostitutes, street walkers, ho's, crack ho's and the list goes on and on.....

I think it all depends on the class of the lady and what she feels comfortable with being called. It's all the same, just a different name. Aren't we All exchanging time for money?

My 2 cents worth,

WWK








-- Modified on 6/4/2004 4:51:35 PM

I have actually read up on famous courtesans (Im a grad student and this was a topic in my research about the upper class society of Europe) and when described, they were often depicted as women who were able to mingle alongside high society and deemed as noble and well-bred because they were very worldly,charming, articulate, etc. Though not born into wealth, they were able to "pass" with their keen desire and intellect to develop high culture alongside their arts of lovemaking...they could be devastatingly gorgeous, but they didn't attract too much attention in public.  Sexy, but not overly provocative.  But in private, yes...those were where the "other" skills came into play.  

Some women are really hot and sexy but if you took them to a business function or a high profile affair, etc they may not always be able to carry their own or get into a highly intellectual debate about politics, literature, fill in the blanks.  It's more a question of education, I would say. And Im not trying to say non-courtesans are not educated, it's a certain type of education to which I refer (the elegance, etiquette, manners that normally upper society is privy to). That being said, I think being an escort or courtesan is really a matter of the individual and her interests and neither is necessarily "better" than the other.  

Many women in the business are extremely intelligent and captivating without needing to know how to recite Baudelaire or quote Sartre..whatever..Personally, I admire courtesanship and high culture and strive to fulfill that role when I am able to get to know someone in this line of work over an extended period of time, it just will not happen in one hour! To each their own.  I hope this helps!

Naomi Madrid

Aphra4327 reads

I'm not sure that historically courtesans were accepted or welcome in high society as such - for instance, they couldn't follow the "Season" because they were not received at Court.  Their social circle was high but they operated in the demi-monde - their own parallel world - complete with its own hierarchies, etiquette and protocol.  

The most famous ones were very well known indeed, celebrities of their day.  Kate Hickman in her book "Courtesans" refers to one (interesting photographs of an astoundingly beautiful woman called Catherine Walters) whose dress designs aristocratic women used to flock to copy.

You're right that in a world where women were little more than chattels, courtesans enjoyed great power, independence and wealth.  They were exceedingly accomplished at a time when few women were educated to anything more than a rudimentary level.  Hence, they were fashion icons, linguists (in the true sense!), musicians and poets, accomplished at political intrigue as well as knowledgeable in the erotic arts.

Probably the most famous courtesan of her time was Harriette Wilson, who wrote the first "kiss and tell" memoir (in itself a fundamental breach of the courtesan's code).  Her lovers included the Duke of Wellington, who is reputed to have scrawled "write and be damned" on Harriette's attempt at blackmailing him.

~A~

Young Girl At Heart3526 reads

who just happens to have a strong feminine side, so the name is accurate.  I never claimed to be a woman in any of my posts.

I have decided to give up this alias.  Using it has been..."interesting".  However, I will say that I want to thank you for calling my mother and my sisters whores, for calling many caring or even chaste women with integrity (and yes, there are some) whores, for calling Mother Teresa a whore, for calling your own mother and sisters whores, and every mother, sister, daughter, and wife of every hobbyist or provider (no wives, obviously...unless they live in Massachusetts) on here a whore.  You did say ALL WOMEN...and please, don't feign that it was semantics.  Check yo self befo you speak.


-- Modified on 6/5/2004 7:34:44 AM

Keeping it real3774 reads



-- Modified on 6/5/2004 12:44:08 PM

but chaffs at the mere thought of his own sister, mother, daughter being used in the same way?

I've always loved the two tier line of thought.  That you and yours are better than we and ours.

Do I smell a stinky hypocrite? PEE-U

Hell, who knows, you may have even "hobbied" a whoring soon to be chaste, caring, integrity driven nun...  

Stranger things have happened.

Basically, your argument lacks linear logical thought.

Nevermind you seem to be confused regarding your identity.

You can take a Logic class at local Jr. College and there are plenty of certified Gender Therapists to be found in most major cities.

You really can stop hating that young girl inside your heart.  You were only pulling the wool over your own eyes.  

Strong feminine side.  Now where have I heard that before?

Elise

Young Girl At Heart3198 reads

Your pedestrian psychology may provide rationalization for your own decisions in your life, but you don't have a clue as to what I think or what my life is about.  As you seem happily blinded by your misconceptions regarding me, your incorrect assumptions as to what the meaning of my post was do not warrant a retort.

Keep your personal agenda out of this forum, please...it stinks more than anything could, and it doesn't change the truth of what I wrote.


-- Modified on 6/7/2004 9:14:00 AM

This reminds me of my earlier thread a way back. If a vegetarian prostitute swallows, is she still a vegetarian? (don't just stand there with your mouth open, you know I only play ball from the left field ladies, c'mon lets play.)

Here slap me on the clit. I like it. I won't even charge you for it.

Sharon Peters3587 reads

JOKE! sorry I couldn't help myself on this one.



-- Modified on 6/4/2004 8:37:29 PM

You can lick her balls while I suck her toes and maybe between the two of us we can send her over the top! :)

Peace...

Can one still be a whore, and yet never engage in whoring?  Or do you mean that he women who claim to never engage in whoring actually do?  Can you make this judgment of 50 percent of the population?  I can't make a judgment like that of every man.

Instead of trying to elevate the insult by lowering the rest of humanity to it, it's better to recognize that "whore" is a delusional term.  Reject it.  Don't use it.  If anything, monogamy is the socially accepted perversion, and polygamy, even for the exchange of gifts, (such as money) if freer and more natural.  If society has given us a term like "whore" it's because society is sick, and has been sick for sometime.  

/Zin

Thanks for the great responses!   So, it seems when you get right down to it there's not much "real" difference between a provider who considers herself an escort from one who considers herself a courtesan from a service perspective.  From the semantic perspective, it seems the difference can be much greater given people's perceptions or understanding of the terms "escort" or "courtesan".

Kind of like the terms "used" vs "pre-owned".  Both refer to the same thing but one has a different connotation than the other.  Of course, "used" and "pre-owned" are NOT associated with the terms "escort" and "courtesan" at all, I just used them purely as an example.  :)

How does the use of these terms influence the ladies that are sought out?  If a provider who provides excellent service identifies with being an escort, will she attract a different set of clients than if she identified with being a courtesan if her service remained the same?  By "identify with" I mean use of terms in advertising and on websites, etc...

I've enjoyed reading the responses and appreciate the input.  ON a side note, I think we need to come up with a special term for netmichelle since she can be just about anything for anyone!  :)

Peace...

-- Modified on 6/5/2004 12:44:50 PM

Not that a good provider is not....but from a historical point of view....the courtesan was a woman of education and means in a socity that did not educate woman, but consdered them as property like a horse or a spear.

The Courtesan's role was not so far from just sex. Actually, they studied lanaguge, politics, art, science and sat as equals with their Lords. In return for their 'art' the men paid them well and took great care of them over a lifetime.

In fudal Japan, the woman were put on a status of a minor Godess. They were some of the best educated in their time.

Sex was  part of their fuction...but a small one at that. A man was considered of high reguard if he was able to keep a Courtesan and she was very helpful to him in most of his affairs
from politics to business to life/love and yes, sex.....
To a Lord of the time....she was as indespensable as his very breath.  Talk about a GFE experience????

Today it seems that we focus on sex way too much. I enjoy a beautful woman as much as any man....and it has been one hell of a long time since I've made love to a beautful woman...but having lost my beloved and two boys over two years ago, I miss the closeness of a woman. Sex aside, if you can't talk to them and reat them with the same respect as anyone on the street, I can assure you that the 'sex' will not be all that good.

Bottom line, I think a man should treat his lady with all due respect. Fo9r whatever reason, we choose to turn to these woman for sexual release or for comfort because we are not able to get it elsewhere. Yes, they take our money...but they give one hell of alot of themselves for our pleaseure. Be her a sister, a lover or an Escort....be thankful for the gift they bring to your life. Being lonley and alone for over two years really sucks the big one.

i before e2818 reads

The difference is that a courtesan is deluding herself into thinking she's not a whore.  A courtesan was a woman (unofficially) attached to the court. Not just longer-term arrangements, but generally with the great and the good or at least the well-connected.  Not just any old mistress.  I've seen some women here call themselves courtesans because they're ashamed to tell the truth. And some others who, admirably, face up and are proud of who and what they are. More power to them.

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