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A Q from a newbie.
SBLegal 3 Reviews 3779 reads
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I had my first ever session with a provider the other night and have a question before I post my review.

She used a regular condom and a female condom.  With the current health climate, I guess I can't really blame her for using an abundance of caution, but it kind of took away from the overall experience.  I had never even seen a female condom, so it added to my education, I guess.  However, the two layers of protection had me watching the session from the outside rather than actually experiencing any passion.

I have read many reviews and usually see something like, "she put on the cover and away we went" or something like that.  I have never read, "she put in the cover, put one on me, and away we went."  Well, to be honest, I read something about a guy that was turned off when this provider showed him a "femdom,"  but I didn't know what a "femdom" was.  As he said it was something she showed him, I put it out of my mind and made contact.

So, my question is, is it the norm for a provider to use both of these forms of protection?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Roxy Tomato3709 reads

knew you hadn't been with a provider before and were too hot to trot, so she figured you were going to power through at least one layer of protection with your seismic semen, and she was just takin' precautions.  Are you hung like a horse, too?

Seriously, darlin', one layer is the norm.  She's probably the real newbie.

Ok, Roxy,
inquiring minds want to know...

I know you have been asked before, but would really like to know...
who are you?

Please PM me or just respond if you wish.

Thank you, darlin'

B

..  The manufacturer advises against it.  It increases the chances of tearing both.  Use one or the other, but not both.  Your lady did not know what she was doing.

I threw out my package on my female condoms, and obviously you never use latex to latex, but are we giving the right information when we're talking polyurethane to latex?

I've certainly never tried it, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

Just asking

Elise [email protected]

"there is still the old myth of using more than one form or "double bagging" for extra protection. This myth arose from the idea that two layers are better than one. Nothing could be further from the truth in this case. Using any two methods of barrier protection at the same time (two latex or a latex and polyurethane) is never safe. Double bagging, whether it is with polyurethane or latex, male or female condoms, will cause friction between the material causing it to wear down and increase the chances of breaking..."

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-- Modified on 5/3/2004 11:02:44 PM

I had a provider use both.  She put the cover on Mr D for the first cup.  She then asked if I wanted to try the female condem for the 2nd cup.  I actually liked just her using the female condem for the 2nd cup.  It felt more natural for me.  I do not know which one offers the most protection

Mathesar3360 reads

The following is taken from the article "Use-Effectiveness of the Female Versus Male Condom in Preventing Sexually Transmitted Disease in Women", by P.P. French, MD, MPH, et al, in the May 2003 issue of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Journal of the American Sexually Transmitted Diseases Association). My comments are in braces {} to distinguish them from the text.

{First, the introductory summary for those who want a quick read.}

Background: Data are limited on the female condom's effectiveness against STDs.

Goal: The goal was to compare STD rates between women given small-group education on, and free supplies of, either female or male condoms.

Study Design: Female patients at an STD clinic (n = 1442) were randomly assigned to condom type and followed via medical records for STDs (gonorrhea, chlamydia, early syphillis, or trichomoniasis).

Results: In an intention-to-treat analysis, the odds ratio for comparison of STD occurrence between the female and male condom groups was 0.75 (95% confidence interval [CI], 0.56-1.01), and it did not change with adjustment. In a second analysis among women returning for subsequent screening, incidence rates for the first new posintervention STD per 100 woman-months of observation were 6.8 in the female condom group and 8.5 in the male condom group (rate ratio = 0.79 [CI, 0.59-1.06]).

Conclusion: Compared with those provided with male condoms alone, women counseled on, and provided with, female condoms fared no worse and experienced a nonsignificant reduction in STDs.

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{I think the first part of the article proper is also worth repeating, especially since it talks about HIV.}

There is an urgent need for methods that women can use to protect themselves against sexually transmitted disease (STD). The need is particularly critical in the case of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) because this disease continues to spread among women in the United States and is devastating communities in Africa and Asia. Given the disappointing results from a large clinical trial evaluating the effectiveness of a vaginal preparation containing nonoxynol-9 against HIV, the need to exploit the potential of every available prevention method is even more critical.

A host of acceptability studies across numerous populations and settings have shown that the female condom is a realistic alternative to the male condom for STD/HIV protection. Other studies have shown it to be a proven contraceptive. Yet the female condom is still not fully accepted as providing dual protection equal to that of the male condom against both pregnancy and STD. Our objective was to test the hypothesis that women counseled on the use of, and given, female condoms were no more likely than those counseled on the use of, and given, male condoms to present with incident cases of STD.

There are compelling reasons to expect that the female condom will provide protection that is at least equal to that of the male condom. The female condom is a prelubricated polyurethane pouch that, once inserted, lines the vagina and extends outside it to protect the outer labia. The device operates on the same principle as the male condom in that it prevents contact between mucosal surfaces and therefore would be expected to provide a similar degree of protection against STDs. In fact, the female condom has three design advantages over the male condom that may bolster the female condom's method-effectiveness as well as increase the chances that it will be used, thereby enhancing its use-effectiveness.

First, polyurethane can be used with either oil- or water-based lubricants -- an important feature, given the continued confusion the the general population about how to properly lubricate latex male condoms. Second, the female condom provides more extensive coverage of the female external genitalia than the male condom. Finally, unlike male condom use, the female condom can be used at the initiative of the woman, without the active participation of the male partner.

Availailiity of female condoms remains an issue. Although female condoms cost more than male condoms, there are many public-sector distribution programs that provide the female condom at no or low cost.

The distinction of the latex male condom as the gold standard method for STD prevention was codified early in the AIDS epidemic when in 1987, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) expanded the labeling of male condoms to include protection against STDs, including HIV. Although there has been no randomized trial investigating the effectiveness of the latex male condom in preventing STDs, subsequent observational studies of the male condom have supported expanded labeling for several STDs. A meta-analysis of the male condom in preventing HIV suggests that their effectiveness is 87% (60-96%), with the lower bound emphasizing the importance of consistent and correct use in determining use-effectiveness.

In 1993 the FDA classified the female condom as a class III medical device and required labeling that read, "If you are not going to use a latex male condom, you can use Reality to help protect yourself and your partner." This labeling placed the female condom in a distictly inferior position relative to the male condom. Results from in vitro studies conducted before approval by the FDA have shown the female condom to be impermeable to both cytomegalovirus and HIV. Subsequently, three studies have investigated in vivo STD effectiveness. The first, a small observational study investigating the prevention of trichomoniasis, found no infections among women who used the devise consistently, but it lacked the power to detect differences between users and nonusers. Nonrandom assignment in this study also limited inference.

Randomization was achieved in a Thai study where 71 brothels employing 504 sex workers were assigned to either a male-condom-only group or a group instructed to use female condoms if a male condom could not be used. This study did not allow for a direct comparison between a group randomized to male condoms or female condoms only. However, this study did show that the use of the female condom was associated with a reduced but not statistically lower STD rate, compared with use of the male condom alone (2.81 vs. 3.69 per 100 person-months of observation: P = 0.18). A third, community-level intervention trial conducted in Kenya found no differences in STD incidence between groups provided with male condoms or with both male and female condoms.

Thus, data on the effectiveness of the female condom against STDs are limited. Yet it remains impossible to conduct the strongest possible study design: a randomized double-blind trial comparing the female and male condoms. In the current study, we accomplished a study design that combined the random allocation of women to a male condom or to a female condom group and prospectively followed them for incident STDs, with the screening for these outcomes performed with blinding to study group. Unlike the Thai study, we encouraged those in the female condom group to use female condoms consistently, not only when they had failed with the male condom. We tested the hypothesis that women assigned to counseling on use of the female condom were no more likely than those assigned to counseling on the use of the male condom to present with incident cases of any of the following four treatable STDs: gonorrhea, chlamydia, early syphilis, and trichomoniasis.


-- Modified on 5/3/2004 11:08:33 PM

Mathesar2544 reads

{The middle of the article is omitted.}


{The following is the last paragraph of the article. Length limitations on posts required me to post it as a separate post.}


The current study suggests that women educated about and supplied with female condoms are at least as protected as (if not at lower risk of STDs than) women educated about and supplied with male condoms alone. Results of this study provide no support for the view that the female condom should be offered only as a "second-best" option after the male condom. Rather, this study suggests that the female condom is an effective condom option in the battle against STDs in women.


-- Modified on 5/3/2004 11:03:07 PM

Loth_a_rio1817 reads

The references show equal effectiveness in protecting WOMEN, but how about the effectiveness in protecting MEN?

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