1. What your goal is: branding, lead gen or sales?
Sales
Billboards
Bus wraps
Radio, TV (Super Bowl Halftime or Infomercial)
Digital Radio (eg. Spotify, Pandora, etc.)
Product Placements
OTHER - BP, CV, TER, P411, Eros, ... 4. Track your results.
5. Modify and Optimize
($ ad, -$$$ nuisance, -$$ earned) versus ($$$ ad, +$$$$ nice phone chats, +$ earned).
But you can't spend "nice phone chat" at Victoria's Secret. Keep track of things for a while and see where you are getting the most bang for your ad buck.
What is the point in advertising on BP if 99% of the guys on there don't know what a reference or a review is?I heavily screen all of my clients for safety reasons just like most of the ladies.But the majority of my calls come from BP so therefore I still advertise on there like an idiot in hopes of getting a client who actually has references or reviews.But what I really want to know is...how come most of the guys on there are so clueless when asked if they have any references or written reviews?
I won't book anyone there.. but it's all the same.. women seeking men.. section
It's not closed, the forum just moved to women seeking men. I figured a former BP queen like you would have known this.
Actually no it didn't.All the women advertise in the women seeking men dating section Now.do your research fancy
There are plenty of experienced clients who still keep up with BP; I am one. You are either on a bad run of luck or for some other reason, you are attracting the slugs. I hope things change for you.
Either they actually are clueless or they're just pretending. I don't know which is worse for your purposes.
1. What your goal is: branding, lead gen or sales?
Sales
2. Write out an advertising plan.
3. Which advertising channels to use?
Billboards
Bus wraps
Radio, TV (Super Bowl Halftime or Infomercial)
Digital Radio (eg. Spotify, Pandora, etc.)
Facebook
Twitter
Product Placements
OTHER - BP, CV, TER, P411, Eros, ...
4. Track your results.
5. Modify and Optimize
A bunch of annoying newbie calls with some or several succe$$ful meetings may be better than a trickle of polite, educated, well-to-do gentlemen callers, none of whom complete a transaction. If you can put a $-value on the annoyance or the pleasant interactions, the equation shifts a little bit.
($ ad, nuisance, $$$ earned) versus ($$$ ad, nice phone chats, $ earned).
($ ad, -$$$ nuisance, -$$ earned) versus ($$$ ad, +$$$$ nice phone chats, +$ earned).
But you can't spend "nice phone chat" at Victoria's Secret.
Keep track of things for a while and see where you are getting the most bang for your ad buck.
They are mostly bottom-feeders looking for cheap price and expanded menu that most providers will not allow. That's why LE uses BP so effectively for stings. They put up hot photos and a $120 rate, with words like "no limits", and these guys can't wait to show up at the motel 6 incall.
Truth...your post just offended half the guys on this site. LOL
It means I DIDN'T offend half the guys on this site. That's really all I was going for.
First of all, I don't use BP either. That said, there are large parts of this country not served by TER-reviewed women. For those areas -- and there are a lot of them -- BP is the only game in town.
I am glad I live in a "target-rich environment."
Let me ask you this Jake, if you lived in a part of the country with only BP as a resource and NONE of those women had reviews to be found anywhere, would you still partake?
YES!
Excellent. Men do not have to partake just because they can or limited options. There are other ways to score pussy.
NO one is forcing anyone to participate in the hobby. If the good are not available a man can say no. There are other avenues to sex and fun. How about a more traditional relationship of sorts?
I dont buy that just because BP is the only option that it's ok to use.
Men can say no. In fact more men should say no more often.
Peace
I am glad I live in a "target-rich environment."
In New York City, for example, touring girls who are TER reviewed will put up an ad on BP when they come to town. You just have to find the ones with reviews and stay away from the skanks, B&S girls and ROBs.
It's not that complicated.
because I plainly said in my post
"Let me ask you this Jake, if you lived in a part of the country with only BP as a resource and NONE of those women had reviews to be found anywhere, would you still partake?"
and you said "YES"
FG about politics.
So lemme 'splain this to you, dunce. When I said "YES" I meant I'd use BP. Not that I'd call any damn listing like an idiot. If you don't get the different you are beyond dumb.
You really need to enroll in JDU's Remedial Reading Comprehension For The Barely Edumacated.
I have to confess, in the small city where I now live the only hookers are the BP variety. Why do you think I switched to Sugar Babies. I consider myself quite "risk tolerant" but when the only game in town is BP hookers with no reviews, I choose to play another game.
I further admit, I LIKE fucking a different hooker every day or two, but I "can" live without doing so if I have to. As long as I am getting laid on a regular basis, I can mainly give up hookers for another year or two while I live here.
advertising venue. When the phone isn't ringing, it can make things happen. If a tour is slow, it can fill in gaps.
However, it DOES tend to draw a certain clientele as you describe. Not all, but many (most?).
My advice: Use BP when you need it, as part of your marketing strategy - but don't let it BE your marketing strategy.
It sounds like you need to focus your marketing on sites that attract a more sophisticated clientele, and use BP only when necessary to avoid the guys you are "mini-ranting" about.
No...avoid BP.
However, it DOES tend to draw a certain clientele as you describe. Not all, but many (most?).
My advice: Use BP when you need it, as part of your marketing strategy - but don't let it BE your marketing strategy.
It sounds like you need to focus your marketing on sites that attract a more sophisticated clientele, and use BP only when necessary to avoid the guys you are "mini-ranting" about.
BP is the ONLY practical advertising venue. Not everyone lives in or travels to a large metro area!
I've met a few of our top TER ladies from a BP ad when I recognized them.
Now I would recommend the NEWBIE GUYS stay away from BP because they are clueless how to separate the wheat from the chaff and have no clue how to set up a safe date.
However, for a provider, BP can be a last resort savior for a slow tour.
Don't forget, you don't have to use bp no just because it's your only option. Men and women have been fucking for thousands of years without bp. Use your charm, intelligence, good looks and humor to get laid. Wait. You do have those things right?
... So it shouldn't come as such a shock that few of them even know what a reference or review is. Many of the "ladies" that advertise there don't seem to know what they are either, nor care all that much.
That's fine. We don't need them. We have lots of our own dolts.
Excellent way to keep the pop value ratio down. I saw one provider about 32 times for an average rate of $60/half hour.
There were some downsides, fucking in the basement floor (luckily I had a portable yoga pad to fuck on), fuck on her mother's sofa and almost got caught at lunch time. One time before she moved out her own row house I saw her when the electricity was off at 90 degrees, lol.
I hope you've had a recent, full-spectrum STD test.
For the silly shit girls pull. Sometimes you are just there, and have to go with what's going down.
I can't recall how many mothers I have met on the first "date"
That is why these are good when you hobby.
Case in point. Bottom of the barrell.
in a half hour besides take off your clothes, take a shower, and then get dressed again. I always though it was for Alzheimer patients where the girl undresses them, TELLS them they had a great time, and then helps them gets dressed again.
if you're an escort advertising on BP they assume you're available without an advanced booking and are eager to grab some cash.
some have reviews and references but don't want their "higher class" regulars to know they bottom feed on BP.
Some have reviews but are harsh when disappointed and know to keep their review handle private.
Some actually are clueless about reviews and references, but you probably don't want them as customers either.
To address fancy, the site hasn't shut down, it just found a loop hole. To address the OP, nothing wrong with advertising on BP, I still peruse from time to time to see if I can find gem or two and if she has a TER account then that's even better. To answer your question, the majority of guys that search BP are not hobbyist like you may run into on TER, they don't write reviews, and they sure as hell don't keep up with references. Also, they are not necessarily clueless, just unwilling to give reference info because it's BP. I'd suggest (if you don't already do this) make it clear on your ad that you aren't willing to see gentlemen who either don't have references or are not willing to write reviews. You may still get the occasional asshole who will call and try and get by without it, but thats part of the price for dealing with BP. As us clients have to deal with fake pics, immaturity, and unprofessionalism. Maybe don't post your phone number, and only allow initial contact via email.
Would not solicite review
Would suggest email only and require references with first contact
Also possibly add no same say booking
Will not get as much response but will get rid of many you most likely do not want
Since it's actually a dating section, and no longer a escort section.
BP advertisers should no longer be surprised if guys call looking for a free date
They still manage to find your number even if you don't put it on an ad....still it's gotten me some good regulars over the years. Newbies are usually more likely to become regulars.
insecure guys, the most stressful part about hobbying is seeing a new girl for the first time, so if they find one they like early on, they have a tendency to repeat with her for awhile.
Not everyone needs variety...Some guys decide to try it out and find a provider they like after one or more attempts...Sometimes they aren't necessarily newbies but not quite hardened hobbyists and after some bad or just ok experiences they find someone they have a lot of fun with. I got these kind of regulars years ago after moving to Raleigh and then lived in Long Island for a year and came back. Many of them returned and it was as if we didn't skip a beat at all...I suspect something similar would happen with my LI clients.
Cant remember the name.
I've always been under the impression guys cruise BP to avoid just that.
Why are they clueless? They're looking for a BJ, not a 9 to 5.
Do you run B&S ads with your ads, many shoppers can spot those ads, and book who they think is you.
Whenever I am in the mood for a ripoff, Rob, or an LE sting. No other reason to go there...ever.
And, yes. I have references.
There are a lot of different ways to verify clients. When girls ask for to much information I just laugh. To many good choices out there that are not making you put your information out there for someone to find.
I'm afraid you must be looking into the mirror. It said right there Rule #1 for Listing on BP: - THERE SHALL BE NO REFERENCE REQUIRED ON ALL LISTINGS (LOL)
Welcome to an alternative universe where the concept of REFERENCE is unheard of if not by 99% of the advertisers then 99.99% of the clients.
What was the saying again "When in Rome do what Romans do" ? TER and BP are about as different as Mars vs. Pluto
And you are all clueless 75% of girls on Ter advertice on bp. Or stated on backpage got client base and did other advertising.
and where pray tell did you get YOUR 75% statistic from? Or more accurately should I ask "from what orifice did you pull your ridiculous number?"
Just what I see in the Milwaukee area most of the girls on TEr advertised on backup than got reviewed and ended up on TER. And that is low balling the estimate. No I did not do statical analysis I used my human calculator
BP is for the bottom of the barrel gents and for the most part ladies. I know a lot of people will be pissed, but it's the truth. There are more fake ads, strung out gals, pimped, cheap, and unreliable people who deal on BP, clients included. It's a step above street walking.
Guys who look on bp are cheap and will screw an Arby's beef'n'cheddar if they had to.
Don't get me wrong, there are some diamonds in the rough. Those that climb out of the bp shadows can step into more professional, discreet, and reliable ways of doing business, advertising, and carrying themselves.
BP has not shutdown either. It's moved to the personals section. Ha!
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Your post is ridiculous and full of stereotypes. Btw my last review was of a provider I first found on BP.
Guys who look on bp are cheap and will screw an Arby's beef'n'cheddar if they had to.
Don't get me wrong, there are some diamonds in the rough. Those that climb out of the bp shadows can step into more professional, discreet, and reliable ways of doing business, advertising, and carrying themselves.
BP has not shutdown either. It's moved to the personals section. Ha!
Sooo, why do you care what a stranger thinks on this board. If you are happy with your selections cool. I could care less. Believe me, backpage by and large has little to offer. I did say there are diamonds in the rough. Where I am maybe one in thirty ads or ladies on BP are worth the time, money and effort, which means BP is not worth the effort.
I have about ten ladies I see on a somewhat regular basis and only one started out on BP. She has upped her game and moved on from there.
Regards.
Glad you found someone you enjoy.
This myth has been going of forever. It doesn't matter where a gal places her ad. It only matters if I can verify her here and/or on other reputable review sites.
We can't fix stupid HH. We can only hope to contain it.
Too funny. You also settle for low quality and any past that will accept your money. It's no myth. You find more $40 and $60 specials on bp than a street corner. In all honesty, there is nothing special about that deal. Go ahead and defend your no friends Mr. WhiteBPKnight.
Have you read the posts here? Most agree, avoid NO.
You also must belong to the Velcro shoe club. You fawn over any pussy that you get and are a walking ATM. Cant fix desperate or classless.
Cheers.
We can't fix stupid HH. We can only hope to contain it.
contains cow vagina mixed in with the other meats to form the loaves they slice. Probably why it has a familiar taste for most guys. Lol
Makes sense for some of these guys.
I could not have said it better myself. All of the above is true. TER is where the quality girls are.
Guys who look on bp are cheap and will screw an Arby's beef'n'cheddar if they had to.
Don't get me wrong, there are some diamonds in the rough. Those that climb out of the bp shadows can step into more professional, discreet, and reliable ways of doing business, advertising, and carrying themselves.
BP has not shutdown either. It's moved to the personals section. Ha!
Sometimes you see everything you need to know.
On a separate note, some of the best pussy I've ever fucked was free.
Don't get me started on what's cheap or not.
Guys who look on bp are cheap and will screw an Arby's beef'n'cheddar if they had to.
Don't get me wrong, there are some diamonds in the rough. Those that climb out of the bp shadows can step into more professional, discreet, and reliable ways of doing business, advertising, and carrying themselves.
BP has not shutdown either. It's moved to the personals section. Ha!
Amnesia.
Liar, is atop the first page of my resume. Looks like I speak French too, or was that Latin.
"Diamond in the rough" is a bit of a stretch. Lemme give you a f'rinstance. BP was my gateway into it he hobby. I never booked a provider off of it, but it was by looking at ads and clicking on links that I found out about TER and P411. Without those sites, I never would have met a provider, and I've rarely ever been back to BP since.
However, even though I was a total newbie I distinctly remember picking out three girls as possibilities my first day perusing BP. They later turned out to have many reviews, with presences on local boards and solid reputations. That's how easy it is to use BP, even for a hobby virgin. All I did was pay attention to who had professional websites and non-bargain basement prices. (Once I figured out the range of prices, that is.)
That being said, BP is by and large the place to go for bargain basement prices. It's just that quality providers aren't as rare as diamonds. It's not worth it to me to even look at BP when I have TER, P411, and Twitter, though.
have been screwed over by women on BP at least a few times (3 times for me).
Those of us who are respectful, who have references, who write reviews, don't see ladies on BP who aren't well reviewed on TER. This is because a very high percentage of women on BP are unreliable, fakes/bait&switch women.
If you fish the bottom of the lake or river, you are bound to catch the bottom feeder fish, it's really quite that simple.
This is, of course, not to say that you are unreliable or a fake/bait&switch. But you are evidently fishing for bottom feeders.
Well said....some guys think they hit the jackpot with their bp friend and settle for anything.
I was burned a few times as a Newbie. All B & S issues in my case, but I have friends who were robbed by girls working with pimps, some at gunpoint.
Some have to start somewhere, but those that want to up their game will leave BP. Both clients and entertainers.
In Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana BP is bad news. Been burned before. Occasionally a great lady will emerge there so I keep tabs, but depend on independent sites, TER, EROS and a few other boards too.
To each his own. We each play where we can afford and that appeals to us.
I have very amazing reviews.I have ALOT of good ones.no negative reviews whatsoever.And I still advertise on BP daily.My rates are pretty high.so cut the shit about "alllll BP providers are cheap" because that's not true.I see high end providers with over 100 reviews advertise on BP from time the time.case dismissed.or anyone else willing to argue my point?no I don't think so
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You may be one, and not all girls on BP are cheap. Some are expensive, but just not worth it.
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There are always exceptions but as a general rule BP caters to lower quality hookers and lower quality mongers.
Like I said, diamonds in the rough exist. No way to tell if you are or not. Wil take your word for it. That's all we can do. Impossible to argue what we can't see. Then again, I don't care. I know my experience and selection to choose from. As long as you are happy.
More a of a chance experience with a gal who was better than average.
I think you've answered your own question.
Most of the guys here have figured out that "looking for a diamond in the rough" on BP is largely a waste of time and energy as you have to wade through so many scammers, B&S, ROB's, not to mention LE stings, that it's simply not worth it.
Most of the gals have figured out on their side of the equation that most of the guys shopping on BP are, cheap, flaky, demanding and are unlikely to even no what screening is, much less are able to pass screening.
So who is the one with the problem here? Those of us who are smart enough to simply stop wasting our time on BP, or you, the one posting a mini rant about how it sucks for you? If you want to stay on BP, that's certainly your right, buy YOU ASKED for our opinion. I can't help it if you don't like the answers.
cheap guys looking for that HH at a discount. Why would any "reputable" escort even place an ad there?