Definitely do the research on your area...
Girl I started off in the low brackets $$ cause I didn't know any better & maybe the fact the person who intro me to this lifestyle was a TS provider who charged the same but once you get some reviews & get your reputation out there then you can adjust your price range... I'm not saying you need to start at the bottom but like Lexi related just do the research in your area, participate on the boards/your local & maybe offer an introductory special for ter clients, then you can get someone who is a actual reviewer... Just my .02 Good luck girl!!!I'd like to know some experiences of someone taking the jump and seeing a provider with no reviews and a higher price range?
an indie with no reviews for the reasons Lexi gave. I will see an agency girl from an agency/booker I know with no reviews. Its not about be worried about the quality of the experience as much as the possibility of an LE sting. Every couple of months I TOFTT with an interesting-looking new agency girl FOTB. Some winners, some losers, but mostly fun either way.
I think it's highly unlikely LE would have an officer post as an indy to nab guys one at a time. LE is far more likely to go after agencies.
I've seen at least one indy with no reviews in the past two years, but she was recommended by a friend who is totally reliable. She was great.
but I would be worried about a lousy session with a girl who I find I am not attracted to when I get there
Of course if I wasn't attracted to her when I got there I guess I wouldn't have to worry about a lousy session as there would be no session. lol
They run a phony ad, and one five or six-person LE crew can nab 20-30 johns in a day. They make cable documentaries out of the process here. Been dozens of them. Other cities will set up stings for outcall girls. usually its holiday inn and best western establishments. That's why most outcall girls won't go to cheap hotels. Four or five star hotels are too expensive for the LE budgets. The low-end johns don't care where they go. They don't expect the Ritz when the rate is $120 which is how they get baited by LE. Economics aside, its usually great PR for LE to look like they're cleaning up the neighborhoods. They show all of the johns on TV and in newspapers to discourage other johns from going.
It never happens like that in the Northeast and I haven't heard of it happening in other places in the US I've frequented.
Even here in Hawaii though it's rare here. LE used BP a lot for sting ads like that. They have even showed these stings on TV on shows like 60 minutes.
LE uses really hot photos with really low rates on their fake ads to pull in the most johns they can (guys thinking with the little head not realizing if it looks TGTBT it is TGTBT). The OP here was asking about no reviews and a high rate. I have never heard of LE doing that. I would be more worried about a scam, or just a lousy session (like GaG) not LE.
In any case, I have TOFTT with many ladies with no reviews but I still do a lot of homework before taking the plunge. I'm not about to answer a hot ad and set a date immediately.
Wide nets catch many fish. Given they get federal money to run stings, the more busts equals more federal money.
but THIS lady doesn't fit the profile you are talking about. First off she is not going to generate 20-30 johns a day a her rate, I am sure she can only wish that 20-30 guys would be willing to meet her $900 minimum. Secondly, she has an actual web site that she has put some work into, LE is not going to put that kind of work into a sting that will run one or two days max.
So, yes LE does run stings, but it's highly unlikely that this particular lady is LE.
I was busted at a VERY nice Embassy Suites in Greenville SC doing an outcall. I dont know why this isn't legal! It would cut out so much negative bs if it were legal!!! Like seriously, What gives? I wish these clients would learn to write reviews and become verified online.
Marriott's are especially notorious. I will not hobby at the down town Marriott for that reason, but I wouldn't hesitate at some cockroach infested motel. Cops like nice room's too, and given multiple mid to upper hotels donate the rental for stings as a tax break, why would they choose a place with giant mutant roaches?
I don't know about where you live and hobby, but in my part of the country officers pose as Indy all the time and set up stings to catch guys that way. Then again the Indys they pose as are backpage, which I avoid anyway so it does not matter to me. Agencies are left alone. I guess it depends on what is more prevalent in your area.
I've seen at least one indy with no reviews in the past two years, but she was recommended by a friend who is totally reliable. She was great.
In my area john stings aren't that rare. It is a real concern. As I understand it they are very rare in other areas. As this is a general board it is impossible to advise on actual risk of LE. Maybe where he is they happen more often then in your area.
At least three or four times a year. But the numbers are much higher than one or two. They pull 12 to 20 a weekend with John stings. They do likewise for providers. Some areas LE is very active while others they aren't a real threat.
I am a provider in this situation lol
In that case it sucks. Lol takes alot of time. I set my rate at 250 until I had a few reviews and went up to 300/hr. For me I am happy at that rate. If your higher rate is absolutely your minimum than don't budge but maybe think about adding specials or something for new client special. I used other avenues that didn't work out that great so I suggest sticking with TER. Make your presence known on the boards. Post your pic everyday and work on your website to provide lots of info for a great date with you.
Don't settle and trust your gut. And like I said before a well reviewed client has much more clout than a new no reviews client.
Not at your rates and without a single review to your credit.
It's a rare woman that can get me to shell out almost a grand as her minimum rate. It's also a rare woman that can get me to book with her without a review to her credit and with blurred pics. It's an impossibility for me to get past BOTH of those hurdles to not only TOFTT but to do so at your rates.
I am sure if you stick to it long enough you will establish yourself, if you are the real deal of course, but for me. I would have to take a pass at this point.
...I would look elsewhere for services.
She's not girl-friendly anyway so I'd pass right on by.
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It was without a good deal of hesitant on my part. I did a lot of research on them, looking for any info on them. My biggest challenge was not wanting to encounter the one situation that we all worry about.
Would I do it again? Not sure. Haven't encountered any that would cause me to pull the trigger.
Gina will screen you big time but I think it's worth it for you.
Steph xoxo
A referral from a p411 client in good standing.
from what I understand, she may still have to give up personal data to be approved.
But it has to be by an established reviewer within the last 3 months.
From p411 website provider application:
"...a good review posted within three months, by an established reviewer, with matching contact info OR a P411 client member with at least 5 Okays to vouch for you."
As for personal info, Yes they also have to provide age verification. (Which usually means some type of ID)
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Sounds like she needs to get that first review badly. I asked because of something I saw on her website about wanting some P411 okays.
Steph xoxo
But she has to fly to me, or give me a First Class ticket to fly to her.
After all, I am a whore.
I was going to propose a free session and $500 for a 10/10 review from me, but you have already undercut me, you slut.
If you set prices too high for your area you don't get many calls. Too low and you get more calls than you can handle. That's how a free market works. At some point you reach an "equilibrium" price.
Once at equilibrium you have the proper amount of business you need to make the amount o money you want/need.
It sounds like you want to start at the top and it's not working out for you.
The market simply confirms or denies the rate the woman sets is the proper one.
It's funny that some women with great looks and fabulous performance ratings can't command the same rates as other women, less attractive with lower performance scores. It's like show business, does anyone REALLY believe that the likes of Madonna or Britney Spears are really the hottest or most talented at either singing or dancing? but look at the money they have raked in.
There are certain intangibles that allow some women to command high rates while others simply can not.
I do agree the OP appears to want to start out at the top, good luck with that.
A woman may set the price but ultimately the marketplace will tell her what's she worth. That's what I meant.
Even Madonna had to start at the bottom.
You only have 3 and they all look professionally done which with the amount and quality will make people assume they are fake. Take some selfies and add them on to your website. Try to establish a presence in as many places as possible. People here do have a point about rate being too high to risk seeing someone without reviews but I'm not a fan of people telling others what to charge. If you put more pictures and ads up and utilize social media than I think you will be ok.
Although you are a beautiful woman ( based on your pictures online) check out P411 for the city of Las Vegas.
At your rate, you would be in the upper 15% of the ladies in Vegas.
There are over 350 very active ladies just on P411 with great reviews and yes, gorgeous.
Why would I take a chance on you when I have so many other options that are a sure, sure thing and most are less $$$.
For example, I would never, never see a lady that is does CBJ's. Just is not going to happen for me, NEVER.
With your lack of reviews I have not idea of your boundaries.
That would be guys with more money than brains. An educated hobbyist minimizes risk.
At 900/90 with no pics and no reviews you're up against a lot of "known quantity" competition.
IMHO, your best bet (assuming you don't want to change your rate structure) is to find a friend in the business who IS well reviewed) to either recommend you to some of her regular clients or offer doubles with.
I'm all for helping out with suggestions if a newbie has a question as to her place in the market. But not only did you up your rates from a couple of months ago, but you still have no reviews, so the answers will be fairly the same. Initial price point was $600/60 mins, increasing with no review history will not change that much.
I haven't been active until March 1st, had an emergency March 16th but between that I had 2 clients from my website both from a advertising site.
As far as my rates... yes I did raise them. Those initial prices were lower than I usually went for in the strip club.
But I would not see one at a high price point.
This seems to be a common theme on forums but I wonder are people just getting too excited over nothing?
First of all, the majority of my own hobby experience is in an area outside of the reach of TER so I mainly visit this site for the forum. Secondly, financially I always hobby within my means, but I'm not someone with enough resources to casually blow a lot of money for no reason, I like to feel I get the most pleasure for my money, as I'm sure everyone else here does.
Regarding the theme of seeing someone with no reviews and a higher price range, is it really that bad!?
I mean, I know I've had experiences over the years with providers with plenty of good reviews but have left the meeting feeling, 'meh'. A great time depends on both people, so it's very possible that I can see someone and not click while someone else can have an incredible experience. It doesn't mean that the provider is bad at what she does, it's just that it can't always be magical, such is life.
There's far too much attention put on reviews, and the forensic approach to scoring in a review, quibbling over the difference between a 7 and an 8, or an 8 and a 9, or a 9 and a 10. We're not measuring against a defined, standard scale here, there will always be a personal aspect which in unquantifiable, which is why I always feel reviews can be put into one of three groups, it was terrible - avoid, it was ok - maybe it was me, maybe it was her, and it was great. but even for great reviews it's possible for any of us to meet the same provider and have a less than great experience, it may be us, it may be her, it may be the lack of that little spark between people that can add some magic to an encounter.
It all boils down to this, if you meet a provider with no reviews you may still have a great time, there is no guarantee either way, but at the end of the day what has it cost you, yes your time and your money, but if both are so stretched that you can't afford to waste either one then the hobby may not be for you?
And on a final note. The first time i met my ATF I don't remember her having any reviews, certainly not any from my local community, and she operates at the higher end of the market. But based on her pictures and how she described herself I decided to meet her anyway. I can honestly say it's one of the best decisions I've ever met. I've been seeing her now for seven years and she has genuinely enriched my life. She means the world to me and I cannot imagine my life without her. If I hadn't taken that initial jump I'm absolutely sure my life would be a poorer place.
So that's my two cents on the subject. In essence I would say, give it a go, if it doesn't work out just chalk it up to experience and move on, but if it does work, . . . ., wow!!!
Synopsis of the OPs Newbie Post: LV stripper new to TER, has provided occasionally in the past and is now thinking about providing full-time. Has a few regulars and wanted tips on website pics, value in the market, getting reviews, etc.
To answer your question, no it's not really that big of a deal at all. Either clients will go to see her or they won't. There are always guys out there willing to TOFTT for a hottie no matter what the price point is. The more seasoned mongers, specifically those who write reviews are willing to write a review, more than likely will not at the present circumstances. I have taken plenty for the team in my time hobbying, some have turned out great and others have been regretful, but in either cases none have been at the OPs rates. TOFTT at $100/150/250 vs $900 are two different things.
First of all, the majority of my own hobby experience is in an area outside of the reach of TER so I mainly visit this site for the forum. Secondly, financially I always hobby within my means, but I'm not someone with enough resources to casually blow a lot of money for no reason, I like to feel I get the most pleasure for my money, as I'm sure everyone else here does.
Regarding the theme of seeing someone with no reviews and a higher price range, is it really that bad!?
I mean, I know I've had experiences over the years with providers with plenty of good reviews but have left the meeting feeling, 'meh'. A great time depends on both people, so it's very possible that I can see someone and not click while someone else can have an incredible experience. It doesn't mean that the provider is bad at what she does, it's just that it can't always be magical, such is life.
There's far too much attention put on reviews, and the forensic approach to scoring in a review, quibbling over the difference between a 7 and an 8, or an 8 and a 9, or a 9 and a 10. We're not measuring against a defined, standard scale here, there will always be a personal aspect which in unquantifiable, which is why I always feel reviews can be put into one of three groups, it was terrible - avoid, it was ok - maybe it was me, maybe it was her, and it was great. but even for great reviews it's possible for any of us to meet the same provider and have a less than great experience, it may be us, it may be her, it may be the lack of that little spark between people that can add some magic to an encounter.
It all boils down to this, if you meet a provider with no reviews you may still have a great time, there is no guarantee either way, but at the end of the day what has it cost you, yes your time and your money, but if both are so stretched that you can't afford to waste either one then the hobby may not be for you?
And on a final note. The first time i met my ATF I don't remember her having any reviews, certainly not any from my local community, and she operates at the higher end of the market. But based on her pictures and how she described herself I decided to meet her anyway. I can honestly say it's one of the best decisions I've ever met. I've been seeing her now for seven years and she has genuinely enriched my life. She means the world to me and I cannot imagine my life without her. If I hadn't taken that initial jump I'm absolutely sure my life would be a poorer place.
So that's my two cents on the subject. In essence I would say, give it a go, if it doesn't work out just chalk it up to experience and move on, but if it does work, . . . ., wow!!!
...it worked out just fine. Especially when my repeats were deeply discounted. As for seeing escorts with no reviews who are in my regular price range I have done that a number of times. Success rate is 50/50. As far as I am concerned every new encounter no matter how well reviewed she might be is a roll of the dice. You just never know.
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Both were high rate and both were awesome.
I also believe as a client having a good session is 50% or more up to me. The energy I bring will be matched or exceeded.
I haven't yet had a bad experience, however, I have had a mediocre experience with a medium high rate well reviewed indie. Woman would never relax! sheesh!
Home page.
I know it's on the second page but us Hobby guys are lazy and need to know right away if you are even near to where we are.
I hear Vegas rates are lower than $600 per hour for 2 hours, but I have no way to verify that.
Also, if you want the higher rate you have to get on twitter.
Also the rate per hour for 2 hour session is $500 per hour on the girl-directory link
Finally, you are blazing hot and I would really like to meet you. So get a touring schedule up! 
SA, is sort of like this. Game is played differently, rules are modified some, but for many the needs and wants are the same and their are no reviews. I've had two SA dates, but prefer a few verified escorts I know and those who are well reviewed.
For safety's sake, outcall only. Also, I usually want to meet at a restaurant or bar and then cab back to my hotel. All of this minimizes any chance of LE stings (no one controls the space).
Usually, a provider has a friend in the biz who can provide a reference... a little extra bit of reassurance.
I don't necessarily want to risk a lot (higher $$) on such a date.
I can say that I've met two wonderful ladies this way, ladies I remember well and fondly (Hi, Maddie and Grace!).
I'm sure the newbies and super-paranoid, as well as the "menu is everything" guys would (or should, newbies) never do it. For me, "The Menu Is Not The Meal".
A professional looking website would get more guys (high dollar spenders) interested imho.
You could buy yourself a whole new chicken coop for the price of her minimum session. rofl
You made me laugh with that, I almost fell out the chair. Her website looks like is made from one those cookie cutter type websites, I even see the low end providers use same site.
There are plenty of providers with a template site within my price range.
Was that necessary?
xyz and I often suggest offering a discount to get the ball (or balls) rolling.
To avoid ambiguity and problems down the road ("What happened to the special rate? I want the special rate!"), do it by the month and renew until you don't have to anymore.
You can target Everyone or TER Members or TER VIP Members (who can PM you) and offer
April Special: $X / hour; $Y / 90 minutes ...
May Special: $X / hour; $Y / 90 minutes ...
June ... until you have reviews, traffic, and regulars and don't need to discount anymore.
Back in the day we had to see ladies without any reviews. Then when TER came along I was fearful lurker, and continued seeing ladies without any reviews. In those heady days, my sessions averaged in the low 50s. Finally I had one mediocre session too many, and decided no more. When I started seeing ladies not only with reviews, but great reviews, my sessions started averaging in the mid 90s, with three perfect 100s. The price is irrelevant. The reviews are all too important.
big bucks for an unknown quantity? Some bucks maybe but not big bucks.
This exactly. My clients from the club wouldn't dare.
I asked a direct question, thank you to those who answered- I was just curious.
A few replies were not called for.
Secondly, for those who are wondering. I've been on this site maybe few months..I was not active until March 1st and had an emergency on March 16th and cannot resume until the 30th.
It was just a simple question
I'd like to know some experiences of someone taking the jump and seeing a provider with no reviews and a higher price range?