She was quite overweight and 15 years older. She saw the look on my face and said "this isnt going to happen is it?" To this day I occasionally see reviews where she gets 8s on looks.
As a hobbyist have you ever walked out of an appointment after meeting the provider? If so, Why? And as a provider have you ever denied a client other than him being drunk or high? If so, why?
A new client flew me to his city to spend 2 days together. Risky, I know, but his screening checked out, and I'd never had any problems doing this before.
I get to his hotel and he's ok I guess. We head straight to dinner and at the bar, he starts POUNDING back shot after shot of straight liquor. He's getting drunk and loud and starting to embarrass me.
When we leave dinner, I try to pretend I'm not with him, walking a few feet behind him, but he grabs my hand. I try to let go pretending that I need to check my phone, but he holds my hand even tighter.
We get back to his hotel room, he has another drink, and we have sex. He is super rough, jamming his fingers into me (I am as dry as the Sahara desert at this point!) He did other things as well (sexual aggression) that I won't mention. Worst sexual experience ever.
Eventually we go to sleep (or he passes out), snoring all night.
The next morning, he goes to work. He says he'll be back that evening and that I can go shopping or siteseeing and enjoy the day. I decided to LEAVE! I left a note that said I'm flying back early and left him the donation he paid for the second day. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a flight home that day (it would be insanely expensive) so I wound up booking a cheap, crappy hotel room to wait (alone) for my originally booked flight leaving the next day.
So that is my only "walk-out". He was awful.
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1. Bait and Switch - I have a pretty high tolerance for Photoshopping, but when it's clear there was an intent to deceive the customer, I walk out.
2. Slaver Operation - If I arrive and see ANY of the tell-tale signs of sex slavery, I leave immediately.
Otherwise, I will stay for the session. If there are other issues DURING, like drunkenness, high, lack of hygiene, etc., I simply won't repeat.
you would share with all these tell-tale signs of sex slavery.
that you didn't specifically request ahead of time.
on my part that when I was a Newbie, I inadvertently patronized a couple of these places until I figured it out. I still carry the guilt with me for not figuring it out the first time I went to one. As we all know, when the blood rushes to your dick, sometimes your brain doesn't work right.
Signs you can look for:
-- More girls than available rooms. You walk in and there may be five girls in the living room of a 2-bedroomn apartment. You pick a girl and go into one of the bedrooms.
--There is a foul smell of body odor. Girls don't often shower between customers, and many customers don't shower before arriving nor while there. 20 and 30 minute sessions with only one pop is the norm.
--The girls do not make eye contact or try to engage. They would actually prefer NOT to be picked.
--The place is not clean nor well-maintained like a typical Kgirl incall. There's often litter on the floors, dirty floors, counters, etc. If you get as far as the shower/tub or toilet, its going to be gross and you won't want to use it.
--If you only speak English, they may not say a word throughout the session. If you speak their native language, which was Chinese the few times I went, I am told they may ask you to help them somehow (contact their family, slip them extra money, which is often a scam that the owners put them up to, and other "services" to try to help them out).
--If you're clueless like I was as a Newbie, the owners do not like you to repeat or get close to a particular girl and will try to steer you to someone else if you ask for a girl you're seen before.
Fortunately, both of the places I went were raided and closed down. Anyone that has been to one of these can see there is a world of difference between these operations and our regular Kgirl incalls where the girls are working for themselves, even though LE insists on painting ALL Asian incalls as slaver operations. If I ran across one of these now, I would report it in a heartbeat. You should all do the same. Its a miserable existence for these girls. No one ever smiles at you.
How does one go about reporting this? I transitioned from AMPs to kgirls and I've been to a place that at first, I was a newbie as well this was maybe the first or second place I had ever been to, seemed fine but I realized after a couple of trips was definitely suspect and fits a lot of the descriptions you mentioned. I think about what I saw from time to time and felt really bad for the women but aside from calling a police station, had no idea what I could do.
pay phones around, which are pretty anonymous. Not sure how you would do it now unless you block your cell phone. Make sure you didn't stay for the session if you're going to report it. Otherwise, you may have some splaining to do. They call it self-incrimination, I believe.
I'm pretty sure all police departments have some type of anonymous crime reporting infrastructure (just how anonymous might be a question but would give an initial layer of protection) and as mentioned blocking the number and there are a lot of cheap burner options that are pretty easy to setup.
Of course a phone should not really be required, see the link I found with a quick search.
Otherwise you run the very real risk of getting a "consenting adult" arrested, jailed and her livelihood ruined just because you read things wrong.
A good rule of thumb is that is you have to ask how to report it, you aren't a good enough judge on the subject to run that risk. There are a LOT of very willing AMP girls who simply work too hard of their own free will, or who simply don't want to "connect" with certain customers who will give off that "vacant" look that can be misunderstood as her being there against her will.
It is HIGHLY unlikely that any white (or black) guy will ever encounter a situation where a K-girl or AMP girls is there against her will. I am not saying that human trafficking doesn't exist, but your local storefront AMP is not where it's going to happen, I don't give even a single fuck what the news or the police report says about it as they have their own agendas.
So please all you wanna be Capt save a ho's please be POSITIVE the girl is under duress before reporting anything. You are MUCH more likely to be ruining the life of a hard working consenting adult who is trying to make a better life for herself than you are to be some kind of hero who has "rescued" a victim of human trafficking.
I will confess to being in one place that did give me the heeby jeebies was one place long ago patronized exclusively by Chinese and Vietnamese customers, without a white face in sight, that operated out of a dingy apartment with some girls who were very "bottom of the barrel" looking. I did get that "indentured servant" kind of vibe and left with my dick still firmly inside of my pants. This was a place I am positive nobody with round eyes was ever going to set foot into.
She was quite overweight and 15 years older. She saw the look on my face and said "this isnt going to happen is it?" To this day I occasionally see reviews where she gets 8s on looks.
There was one girl who was clearly on something, with whom I had already had enough headaches that nowadays I would've bailed 1,000 times over. But this was very early in my hobbying career, and I went through with it. There were hygiene problems to boot. But I actually ended up having a pleasurable experience, despite having to do all of the work myself. Plus, she was attractive.
In future I will bail under similar circumstances. Not worth the risk.
I did a few times when working for agencies, but those agencies did not screen. In those cases, I got there and the guy seemed way unsafe and aggressive... or, tried to negotiate, or ask about 'services' or something.
As an independent, it's happened twice since 2008.
Once, the guy had about 10 OK's on Date-Check, and booked 4 hours. I drove out to PA (nearly 2 hours each way) to see him. When I got there, he had porn playing and acted really paranoid. He asked me a bunch of really odd questions and just seemed very off. Definitely seemed like he was on drugs, or something. I left.
Second time was about a few weeks ago... this guy had 50+ OK's on p411, and I contacted a bunch of the more recent ones. All of them said he was a sweetheart; one told me to tell her he said hi. Well, it said on his profile that he really liked a dominant type of session. I told him that I was not a hard-core BDSM provider but had some experience with light role play. He said that he wasn't into BDSM - he liked sensual role play, and to give orders. I imagined some role play, kneeling, light to moderate spanking, etc. All of which I've done, and which is completely fine so long as we're both on the same page.
There were no hints pre-date of anything unusual... he did send me some texts throughout the day fishing for some dirty talk. Also asked to move the appt up last-minute (which I was not able to accommodate). Not model behavior, but nothing awful.
However, this guy was just downright abusive. Forced VERY deep throating, hair yanking, hard slapping, pushing me around and holding me down to the point I couldn't move and had to fight to breathe. It was a 90-min appt, about halfway through I realized that this was WAY out of my league. I honestly didn't feel safe. However, the breaking point was when he tied my hands behind my head, and started playing with my ass in a way that was extremely painful. I made it clear that was NOT OK... yet, he continued. I realized that he would NOT respect any boundaries I set and would do whatever he damn well pleased to me. Luckily, I hadn't unpacked much since he'd taken charge right away. So basically I grabbed my stuff and ran out. Literally ran down the hotel stairwell barefoot (didn't want to stop to buckle my heels, which were the strappy kind). I did not take his money. I just wanted to get the f*** away from him.
I wondered if this guy was actually the same guy the other girls had seen... or, if he'd used someone else's account.
Not sure if this counts, but I walked out on what was supposed to be an overnight with a regular on New Year's Eve in a casino. He took me upstairs to his room immediately after I arrived. We played for a rather long time, and as we were getting dressed for dinner, he mentioned that he had no money.
You wondered if the guy was not the same guy those references had seen. That's a logical question. Did you contact those references after the appointment? Maybe with physical description, etc you could figure that out. I don't know for sure, but if you were saying stop and he persisted, I'd think p411 would want to know about it too.
Sorry that happened to you. Sounds scary.
Since he had 50+ OK's and his recent references had spoken highly of him, I was a bit nervous to rock the boat, so to speak. I thought of emailing a few of the women I'd contacted, like "So... I had a very different experience with this guy, and am a bit concerned that someone may have shared his p411 account." However, what if she would then email him, to ask his side of the story, and it got ugly (I've heard of that happening)? And he decided upon some form of online retaliation?
Since there was likely no way for me to prove that there was misuse of his account (he sent an appointment request from within the site) - and he DID say he liked to be "in control" in his profile - I wasn't sure what the best course of action would be. I figured it was most likely the same guy, but that for some reason he'd gone over the deep end with me.
Also, in general, I try to see my clients and just stay out of the fray. I don't like to get into public (or private) tiffs. For both business reasons, and peace of mind.
I wasn't sure what to do at the time, and I'm still not sure. His behavior with me was unacceptable, but on the other hand, it's over and done with. Sometimes starting drama with some dude (especially one who's established in the community) is opening a HUGE pandora's box.
Wow, that makes me sick to my stomach. Sounds awfully similar to rape 
As an independent, it's happened twice since 2008.
Once, the guy had about 10 OK's on Date-Check, and booked 4 hours. I drove out to PA (nearly 2 hours each way) to see him. When I got there, he had porn playing and acted really paranoid. He asked me a bunch of really odd questions and just seemed very off. Definitely seemed like he was on drugs, or something. I left.
Second time was about a few weeks ago... this guy had 50+ OK's on p411, and I contacted a bunch of the more recent ones. All of them said he was a sweetheart; one told me to tell her he said hi. Well, it said on his profile that he really liked a dominant type of session. I told him that I was not a hard-core BDSM provider but had some experience with light role play. He said that he wasn't into BDSM - he liked sensual role play, and to give orders. I imagined some role play, kneeling, light to moderate spanking, etc. All of which I've done, and which is completely fine so long as we're both on the same page.
There were no hints pre-date of anything unusual... he did send me some texts throughout the day fishing for some dirty talk. Also asked to move the appt up last-minute (which I was not able to accommodate). Not model behavior, but nothing awful.
However, this guy was just downright abusive. Forced VERY deep throating, hair yanking, hard slapping, pushing me around and holding me down to the point I couldn't move and had to fight to breathe. It was a 90-min appt, about halfway through I realized that this was WAY out of my league. I honestly didn't feel safe. However, the breaking point was when he tied my hands behind my head, and started playing with my ass in a way that was extremely painful. I made it clear that was NOT OK... yet, he continued. I realized that he would NOT respect any boundaries I set and would do whatever he damn well pleased to me. Luckily, I hadn't unpacked much since he'd taken charge right away. So basically I grabbed my stuff and ran out. Literally ran down the hotel stairwell barefoot (didn't want to stop to buckle my heels, which were the strappy kind). I did not take his money. I just wanted to get the f*** away from him.
I wondered if this guy was actually the same guy the other girls had seen... or, if he'd used someone else's account.
Not sure if this counts, but I walked out on what was supposed to be an overnight with a regular on New Year's Eve in a casino. He took me upstairs to his room immediately after I arrived. We played for a rather long time, and as we were getting dressed for dinner, he mentioned that he had no money.
...and I have P411 and TER to thank for that! 😎
Because she wanted to get paid upfront before we played. I got ripped off paying upfront before. Since then I never ever pay upfront. Even with my trusted regular providers. My regular providers know I'll pay them after we're done playing. Never had a problem paying after playtime is over.
she told me she'd been out late drinking the night before but she was good to go. I believed her, or should I say the "little head" believed her. I wasn't at her incall a minute when I realised that she was hung over. I stayed for a few minutes more. She started a bbbj, but it was ridiculous. So I got up and walked out.
When I get a B&S there is none of that "well I was there anyhow so I went ahead with the session" I will walk without saying a word if some fatass answers the door, and I have done so MANY times.
I have also walked when I just "smelled" a scam coming. This has happened to me in third world countries more often than in the US, but sometimes you just "know" something is off. When that little voice goes off in the back of your head, it's time to go. lol
... I have walked. The reason was fake pics. Now I walk when I am left hanging in the lobby or on the corner. The longer I have to wait the more pissed off I am. Once I am pissed off I am not in the mood to part with good money to fuck an inconsiderate un-professional.
She was not the girl in the pics by a long shot. Not cool. One was an agency girl.
Had been in awe of a providers pics for a couple of weeks before I decided to take the plunge and go see her. I forget all the minute details as it was roughly 8 years ago, but basically I drove 2 hours from San Diego to L.A. to see her and when I got there she opened the door and I could tell she was clearly not the woman I had been fantasizing about. She wasn't unattractive by any stretch of the imagination, she just wasn't the girl in the pictures I had been looking at. I asked about it, she denied that her profile was fake and still wanted the posted donation. Clear B&S, so I walked out.
an outcall? If I could have, I would have.
Questionable hygiene ... back in the CL
heyday if one could ever call it that. lol
The problem was, I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to do it. This woman was a BEAST. lol
She actually put a whole new meaning to "I was really scared" because she was downright scary looking.
I took (a big) one for the team today ... that is the most vile, disgusting human being that I’ve seen in a VERY LONG TIME.
Either she is living out her final days with Stage 4 Cancer or she is a full fledged heroin addict.
Her body was so disgusting that I could not even look at it, let alone touch it. I couldn’t get out of there fast enough.
If the pics online are hers, they must have been from 20 years ago. She is not a MILF ... more like someone’s 85 year old grandmother on her deathbed.
I now know to never trust TER reviews ... they are total fakes ... only one guy on there was even close to being honest.
Looks like he needs to read ter reviews a little more closely, or take the advice of his friend in the business, moi
I left a guy on a trip once as well. He was local to me and we had gotten together once before the trip and he seemed alright. Where do I start...at the airport desk he grabbed the phone from the employee, he was overly rude to light attendants, he got hammered on the flight, tried to grope me on the flight, got detained in Miami (we were heading to DR) because he was drunk and rude to TSA, once at the resort we repeatedly told hotel employees to "speak English" (he himself was an immigrant..???...and we were in a differing country...??????), he switched us from a suite to a room with one bed (not cool, I slept on the couch), I SWEAR I could here him trying to get in the bathroom while I was taking a shower. I left after one night and was supposed to be there three nights. It was an absolute nightmare. He had my ticket home downgraded from first to economy and then proceeded to threaten to sue me for months afterword.
If this sounds like I was young and dumb, it's because I was and it was a few years ago. Now my travel procedures are much different and I have learned my lesson.
Yes - lady who I seen twice; first time was pretty fantastic and second time was fun. Knew she had a history of drugs but both times she was not doing drugs. Fast forward at least 18 months - called her up as she was around the corner. Showed up to a lower end motel, she opened the door. Her was room was just trashed and she was hot mess. Look like she ages 10 years in 18 months. I turned around and left. Felt sorry for her truly.
I was lined up to see a provider that had great reviews and looked great. She canceled on me last minute but said her roommate would see me. When I open the door I figured it must have been a house mom or something because the lady was probably close to 70 years old. Once it was clear that she was who I was going to see I told her this would not work out and gave her 20 bucks and left. She was absolutely repulsive and there's no way I would have fucked her even if she would've paid me.