about agency girls, one request around 9:00a each day is sufficient. If she's not fully booked with regulars and you are already screened, you should get a response within an hour.
For indies, I have had it take as long as four or five days because they do often multi-day engagements, and I know if I was paying a girl (hypothetically) to go somewhere with me for a few days, I would be a little annoyed if she was spending some of MY time checking her messages from other customers and lining up future business.-- Modified on 3/14/2017 1:51:23 PM
No response to an appointment request is irritating, probably second to NSNC... This is not a rant, no-responses are becoming a frequent fact of life...
My hobby level is certainly lower than my colleagues on these boards, so I am interested to know how you react to the sound of crickets.
How often do you follow up with another request and do you mention the first email in the second?
In my case, I move on (except on the rarest of occasions, when I really, really want to see that one) if I don't get a response in 2-3 days.
Random thought, on a very snowy day...
2-3 days after your initial request if you really want to see her. And also double checking your end to see if a reply ended up in spam folders. This has happened to me many times- I've sent a reply or someone has sent an inquiry and for no apparent reason it goes straight to my/their spam. Yes it is fine to mention the first email in the second, I dare say it's important that you do so that she can see what/if there was a problem.
Understanding that providers have lives, and get inquiries in all directions- especially if she's a popular lady in your area. I think standard email etiquette and rationale should apply, even in the hobby. There are some days where ladies are super busy or have personal stuff going on outside of this line of work.
Imean if you're one of those people who isn't selective about who you see, I guess I can understand why you would just not care after 2-3 days
The other thing I would warn about- make sure you are using the preferred medium for contacting a lady.
It didn't phase me too much as I know things can be crazy in this life. I moved on to another gal and had a wonderful time. The first gal did contact me a little bit later apologizing. It seems like there were some technical glitches on her site. I'll probably try her again some time soon.
Overall, such things don't happen too often.
But it usually does not come to that. I also do mention that I tried to contact her previously. As you mentioned, the busier a lady is, the more likely she will need to wade through the BS requests. In that case, you might want to try a third time, but after that, probably moves onto the stalker level.
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I think it might have been Einstein who said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. If you are mentioning services or the price of services that might be the reason you aren't getting an answer. It is very rare nowadays that I don't get an answer if I make a polite inquiry without mentioning those things.
My hobby level is certainly lower than my colleagues on these boards, so I am interested to know how you react to the sound of crickets.
How often do you follow up with another request and do you mention the first email in the second?
In my case, I move on (except on the rarest of occasions, when I really, really want to see that one) if I don't get a response in 2-3 days.
Random thought, on a very snowy day...
Good thought, but no I never go beyond the "would love to meet if your schedule allows".
We all (OK, mostly) know better than go into specifics like $$ or activities on first contact 😉
there is a huge likelihood that there is something wrong with your initial approach, IMHO. Not having a specific appointment request, including info or questions that are inappropriate for a first contact, that type of thing.
Of course, there are many things that can cause a "delay" in responses:
1. Your own impatience (hey, it feels like forever sometimes)
2. Email gone to spam
3. Provider ill...
The list goes on.
I suppose when to followup depends largely upon when you want to meet. I usually book a week or two in advance (sometimes more) so waiting a day or two is no big deal. I always follow up with a second email, assuming my first email was not received, deleted accidentally, etc. Since I book in advance, waiting a day or two to followup is no big deal.
No, does not happen a lot. I would say mostly when I am traveling away from my turf.
Which points to at least two possible factors:
1) Not knowing the market that I am visiting and she may not be a P411 devotee
2) My age (substantial! 😊😊), which is unlikely because for the majority of non-responses she also fails to look at my P411 profile.
Like you, I send my request about two weeks in advance, so delay is not an issue. And I always check my spam folder before moving on - got caught by that one once!
I do think the guys forget the gals are single operator small businesses. Some girls only check their emails when they re active in the biz, or not on vacay, or any number of a million other reasons.
I wait a few days and try again. If she is still local or touring my area I may try back months later but I don't try a third time in a short time period.
Just remember many don't have an assistant or secretary or a fully staffed office to get right back to you. It is a side business for many gals so don't expect her to be sitting there waiting for your contact.
about agency girls, one request around 9:00a each day is sufficient. If she's not fully booked with regulars and you are already screened, you should get a response within an hour.
For indies, I have had it take as long as four or five days because they do often multi-day engagements, and I know if I was paying a girl (hypothetically) to go somewhere with me for a few days, I would be a little annoyed if she was spending some of MY time checking her messages from other customers and lining up future business.
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...a little annoyed with a client like you who resents giving me a few fucking minutes a day to check my messages. How do you know she's lining up other customers? Maybe she's checking on her sick mother or other personal business? Do you expect them to be at your beck and call 24/7?
on MY clock, same as any other employee of mine. If I'm paying their time to do a job, they can do their personal shit after work, not on my time. In the extreme case you cite, all she has to is speak up. If she says her mom's been ill and she needs to check on her, I will be compassionate and say go ahead. I haven't had any employee turnover at my office in eight years, so I don't think I'm an unreasonable boss.
I said it was a hypothetical exercise, just my position, because I don't EVER take girls on trips where their time is on the clock. I pay expenses and show them a luxurious vacation, but their time is OTC or I get someone else. There's no shortage of girls that will go for all expenses paid. If I'm NOT paying their time, then they can check their emails all they want, except when we're fucking.
the attitude and ego that I want, UNTIL I reach her front door?
Just kidding (put the gun away)...
However, there is a difference in being persistent and being desperate. Sometimes you have to man up and move on.
but I don't consider that manning up OR being impatient
I make decisions based on my availability and how pussy driven I am that day. If I'm retracting a time slot or date, I'll send a cordial email/text explaining I'll need to reschedule so she doesn't waste her time verifying me to meet a time frame that's on hold.
I don't usually give up too easily if I really want to see her which is why I reached out to her in the first place.
Someone contacted me yesterday morning for a date Thursday. It took me about 12 hours to reply; after about 8 hrs, he sent me another 'Hey, just wanted to make sure you got my message' email.
Here's why I didn't reply right away:
8-9AM - woke up, ate breakfast, did some reading, answered some emails (not his). The reason I didn't answer his email right away was that I needed some time to do a bit of research beforehand. I looked up his p411 account, emailed a few of his recent references, checked the blacklist. Waited for his recent references to reply to me.
9-11AM - workout time
11AM - 12PM - got ready for 1PM outcall
12-1 - drove to 1PM outcall
1-3 - outcall date
3PM - drove to train station, bought train ticket, waited for train
3:45-5PM - Stood shoulder-to-should on train while holding heavy suitcases-on-wheels (train transport is probably the only downfall of wheeled suitcases).
6:15-7- Dragged luggage through Penn Station during rush hour, got on subway, got to hotel in Midtown East. Checked in, dumped bags.
7:15 - Set up computer, FINALLY replied to dude's email
7:45 - Sat down to dinner. A reply from dude already waiting.
Anyway, guys - if we don't reply right away, we're not necessarily ignoring you.
You really need to get out more often.
VooDoo while I take no issue with the way you run your business, and I am not forgetting it is YOUR business not mine. I have a small suggestion which would have only taken thirty seconds out of your morning and most likely would have been greatly appreciated by your would be client.
"Good morning John, thank you so much for the inquiry, I am running out the door in just a minute, but I wanted to take a second to first off thank you for your interest and secondly to let you know that while I am out today I will try to get your screening done and out of the way so we can schedule some time together, I look forward to speaking to you later, perhaps as early as tonight, Toodles VooDoo."
That took me all of about thirty seconds to compose. Just saying...
I thought I'd have more time, but ended up being a little short on time (as often happens).
For instance, I thought I'd have time to relax a bit right before I saw the client, but didn't.
Also, I wanted to see what his references had to say before replying. I mean, if they said he was terrible (they did not) I would have just said I was "busy." And I didn't necessarily want him to be aware that I was double-checking with the girls who'd OK'd him on p411.
If the date had been for yesterday night (it's for Thursday, and he emailed me Monday morning) I probably would have made it a point to say something like that, though.
I guess I thought that, if he emailed me early in the AM, that emailing him back by dinnertime (albeit a late dinnertime) was acceptable. However, had I had the opportunity, I would have replied a bit earlier.
I didn't have time to eat, either... just breakfast, and dinner. Just the way the day went.
Usually it's 'No'... since travel is almost always involved, I can't easily meet same-day. But I do try to give him an answer so that he can line up someone else (if he seems legit, not if he comes across as a wanker).
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Some of mine. It's just the way it is. Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue.
...It's one strike and she's out.
I don't know if it's the phase of the moon or something in the water, but I have been hitting damn near 100% on my recent inquiries. I guess it's best to not question it and accept it as a gift from the provider gods 
You know you want to see any hot young girl with a wet pussy just like the rest of us. Don't try to play it that you're more discriminating when you're horny than the rest of us. Who are you trying to kid?!!!
You know I like you but had to call BS on that one. Lol
impatience your worst enemy. Email can easily convey that impatience and can lead to her disinterest. Women like being desired by a patient man.
Follow up emails can express interest without one being a pain in the ass or inadvertent asshole. Personally, I'll assume she's busy with her life and I usually get the date
I enjoy connecting with escorts that have been too busy to reply to my initial message. A smart woman/escort will get it and often show their appreciation on a first date because of your style.
At the end of the day, it ain't ALL about me. I want more than an appearance when we meet. I prefer the benefit of the connection I've earned by being patient.
Someone said it earlier but many times this is a one woman show - I know it is for me. I'm not sure where this myth of providers sitting in lingerie waiting by their laptop stemmed from, but it is not the case. Many of us have careers or business ventures that take our normal 8am-5pm or in my incase, if we have a high profile account, it could be much later. Also, quite a few women are working on a degree of some kind. Then take into account appointments that were already booked, traveling, workouts, domestic activities, it sometimes feels like there aren't enough hours in the day.
Personally, I despise automatic responses. I enjoy responding to each message so it's genuine and authentic but it may take me at least 24 hours, especially Monday - Thursday.
Also look at the approach you are taking. If you are consistently receiving crickets, I'm curious what your initial inquiry looks like.
Last week I sent out about three emails and two texts (they didn't have email) on Wednesday looking for a date on Friday.
I know - not much notice.
One was with my first ever. It was my second email to her saying I wanted to see her again. I know she doesn't keep regular hours so to speak so the first time we met I learned to let her name options on the day to meet. However, both emails, three weeks ago and last week, went unanswered. [funny thing is that about four weeks ago I was approached by someone interested in setting up a MMF - I contacted this same provider and got an email right back! That session never happened. So my lesson learned is that she is not really interested in seeing me, but she is interested in a different session]
Other emails were to some new providers to me and I followed all the protocols. Crickets.
Texts - crickets.
I know my references are good because then Friday came along - I was searching again, for Saturday, found someone emailed - and was verified in a few hours - and was in her warm arms the next morning.
So you never know.
Good luck out there
I live in an area where there is an abundance of provider choices. If a provider does not respond with a reasonable time (usually 24 hours) I move on to someone else.
make another contact. For example, if the first contact was by email and she is on P411, I will send her a request through P411. Some ladies are better with P411 than email while others prefer text to email. As others have said, you need to use a lady's preferred method of contact first.
Note: I never book same day or even 24 hours in advance. My time is limited so I will generally book a few weeks out.
Since I am genteel and discrete, this has never been an issue!
My hobby level is certainly lower than my colleagues on these boards, so I am interested to know how you react to the sound of crickets.
How often do you follow up with another request and do you mention the first email in the second?
In my case, I move on (except on the rarest of occasions, when I really, really want to see that one) if I don't get a response in 2-3 days.
Random thought, on a very snowy day...
"Women like being desired by a patient man."
Couldn't agree more -- if a potential client gives off the vibe that he's anxious, impatient or just plain twitchy -- well, would YOU want to see someone like that?
I'm a patient man and book my encounters with lots of lead time. Yes, that occasionally leads to an appointment that doesn't work out but then you should have a Plan B (have an alternate provider lined up, who has you pre-approved and might work with on a shorter time frame).
Showing a woman that you are confident enough to plan weeks ahead of time just to spend time with her, in my experience, leads to all sorts of wondrous benefits. She's more relaxed, more into the encounter and looks forward to a mutually pleasurable experience -- as opposed to some guy who is bouncing from one foot to the other (metaphorically speaking) with anxiety.
Relax and have fun!
...but when it does, I'll send a follow up if I haven't heard back in a couple of days. Especially, when the lady rides...
If I don't hear back from a given provider soon enough, I move on to the next one on my list. Depending on how eager I am to see that particular provider, I might send a follow-up message through a different form of communication, in order to allow for the possibility that the original form of communication may be at fault.
There are a lot of fish in the sea, and there are enough providers where I live (New York City) that there is little or no reason for me to wait around for one of them to get back to me when others may be more responsive. The early bird gets the worm (pardon the pun). My busy schedule is such that it does not allow me to book as far in advance as I would like, so prompt responses are important to me in order to fill my limited windows of availability. In other words, if I only have 72 hours until the time of my desired appointment, I am not going to spend 48 of those hours waiting for one provider to respond to me.
How soon is "soon enough?" Well, I suppose that depends on the form of communication. I would expect the slowest responses on TER or other hobby-specific websites and the fastest responses from phone calls and text messages, with email somewhere in the middle. I would not wait more than 24 hours for a response to any form of communication, barring exceptional circumstances (e.g. holidays, blizzards, a given provider's schedule, etc.)
He could of had a real job, instead of having to sling cracked @ 5:46 in the morning to feed his daughter.
I'm just saying, if someone is going to cry about having to sell dope to make a living, I don't want to hear you bragging about hanging around hos and strippers.
# No sympathy black
Anyway good for you I wouldn't wait for a provider either.
I usually start planning about a month ahead, so if I get no response, I can afford to wait a week and reply with the original email I sent. I know people are busy and the internet can be weird with email(had a provider whom I had emailed multiple time send me an email saying she would be in my area once, somehow went to spam and by the time I saw it, I'd made other plans).
My hobby level is certainly lower than my colleagues on these boards, so I am interested to know how you react to the sound of crickets.
How often do you follow up with another request and do you mention the first email in the second?
In my case, I move on (except on the rarest of occasions, when I really, really want to see that one) if I don't get a response in 2-3 days.
Random thought, on a very snowy day...
I try to respond within the same day or next day the latest. I'll only delay a response or flat out ignore it if the introductory message was rude or the guy completely ignored the appointment setting protocol highlighted on my site.
Sometimes, I'll go back to look at messages I put in the "NSIS" category. If I'm not sure whether or not it's serious, but the guy avoided blatantly obscene language, I'll put it on pause to review later after sleeping on it and responding to messages and inquiries that DID follow proper protocol.
As an independent, and someone who had NO idea of the volume of inbound email I would get, I've unfortunately dropped the ball a few times. I try to go back through my emails and scrub them for people I may have missed.
I've had emails I thought I sent sit in drafts for weeks, or a reply comes back into spam for no reason.
If there's a specific reason I'm not going to see the person and I believe the feedback can be helpful I will impart that, but I disagree that I'm obligated to write back to everyone to give a reason, as one poster suggested. That's not going to happen. There's too many really stupid emails for that.
I DO so appreciate a well crafted subject line that tells me if you want to see me now or another day, in or out call, etc. That subject line, if I have 10 -15 emails staring at me, and there's one with everything I want to know in the subject line, it gets priority. For the other emails, I may get a gig, then another, then something else happens, it could be mid day before I reply and sadly, if I didn't see that you wanted a same day engagement, I won't know to prioritize.
Conversely, if I have 15 emails staring at me and you want to see me 2 weeks from now when you're in LA, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the subject lines that let me know it's not urgent!