I actually did get a refund for a meal. Was with a group. Ordered a deep dish pizza. Was given a flat pizza. Ate it because of the social occasion. Complained to the restaurant. Was given a gift certificate for the next pizza.
I have been wondering about this of quite some time with respect to the hobby. In the consumer world we see it all the time. Reward programs for hotels, car rentals, airlines. The list goes on and on. These programs encourage you to stay at a certain hotel chain, or rent cars from a particular company, or fly a certain airline. They provide you with perks, discounts, sometimes even freebies with the idea of getting you to commit to their particular brand.
I have not really come across anything like this in the hobby world personally. I mean sometimes a provider with grandfather you in at an old rate if she is raising her fee. And I have heard others talk about OTC time occasionally.
I'm not suggesting providers have to or should do this, but curious why it has never developed. Maybe because the guys are always looking to find a new girl so the economic incentives are just not there. Or maybe the provider sees herself as having a limited time period in which to provide and wants to maximize the dollars. On the other hand, especially for those ladies who travel, if its important to have a full dance card on a trip, to cover costs of airflight, hotels, incidentals, maybe its worth considering. Would it get guys to increase their interest in seeing a provider?
Thoughts?
Back in the day various stores would offer green stamps. After you collected books full of them you could cash them in for various things in a special catalog.
I have not really come across anything like this in the hobby world personally. I mean sometimes a provider with grandfather you in at an old rate if she is raising her fee. And I have heard others talk about OTC time occasionally.
I'm not suggesting providers have to or should do this, but curious why it has never developed. Maybe because the guys are always looking to find a new girl so the economic incentives are just not there. Or maybe the provider sees herself as having a limited time period in which to provide and wants to maximize the dollars. On the other hand, especially for those ladies who travel, if its important to have a full dance card on a trip, to cover costs of airflight, hotels, incidentals, maybe its worth considering. Would it get guys to increase their interest in seeing a provider?
Thoughts?
I can only speak to my very limited experience. My experience is that as you get to know a lady - it's a better session. We develop a level of mutual understanding. I understand from others that you can get taken for granted- but I haven't run into that yet. The ladies I have rebooked with have seemed genuinely interested to see me again and have exerted themselves to satisfy me... and, frankly, my desires can be demanding at times.
Bottom line - I get more out of the session.
Beats the crap out of green stamps any day....
Mongo, I agree 100%!!! I know that I am WAY more comfortable when I get to know someone, which leads to a much better experience for the both of us. And I make those guys that come back to see me a priority in my schedule. So I think that the answer of whether or not loyalty is important depends on what you are looking for in your session. If you are always chasing the new better thing, the thrill or excitement of seeing the new lady, loyalty may not matter as much to you. If you are interested in letting your guard down with someone, and developing a connection, establishing a friendship, loyalty matters a great deal. All in what you think is important, I guess.
...as a thanks for previous purchases. But with providers it's obviously different. Many do offer grandfathered (grandmothered?) rates for repeat customers when her rate increases. That's kind of a loyalty reward.
From a regular is OTC social time. I mostly do 2 hour sessions with my regulars, and they will piggyback a couple hours for dinner OTC every four or five sessions. Personally, I regard discussing discounts as tacky.
How much lower can they really discount their rates anyhow? lol
I do remember a Thai girl (Indy) telling me a while back that I only needed to give her $250 from then on, instead of her regular rate of $300 because she liked me and wanted to make sure I kept seeing her. I thought that was a nice gesture although I kept giving her her normal rate of $300 anyhow. Taking advantage of her fifty bucks off would have just made me feel like a cheapskate to be honest. I did notice our appointments did tend to start running over about 15 minutes on average after that. We usually ended our sessions with a massage (she gave great massages) so the session ended when she decided to end the massage and I wasn't about to tell her to stop. lol
and besides, I'm sure the provider would disappear before I get the last punch on my card after which I get a free/reduced price/extended time. Pussy is not a sub sandwich.
The price is the price and should be. Escorts, IMHO, are PROFESSIONALS (in the sense that they charge for their time) like docs, lawyers, etc.
You think "professionals" don't offer discounts in that manner? Ha!
... buy 2 and 3rd one is free.
The frequent fucker club I belong to means that when I repeat and walk in the door, I am treated like a long lost lover.
I play with some amazing ladies and they treat me with respect as do I treat them with respect.
Because they fit pretty well with what you're talking about. Girls also offer long-term arrangements, but I guess that's more like buying in bulk. I have ones that cut me deals on extended specials periods. One let me pay a discounted rate as my regular rate for a while. Not sure why; maybe she needed the money.
Generally speaking, they're more open to wiggle room on rates the more you see them and the better relationship you have. They all say they don't negotiate, but that's more like they don't negotiate with just anyone, or they don't negotiate if they don't feel like it. They feel like it more often with repeat customers, I find.
I used to offer a certain percentage discount for regulars from the third visit and on. It wasnt nessicery but i did want my clients to know that i appriciate them. I dont offer it anymore though.
I still appriciate my clients immensly of course and that shows in my demeanor and service and generally my regulars show their appriciation for me and the whole experience in general by actually tipping/paying more.
It attracted a very cheap crowd over all to put it simply and ive found if someone really wants to see you then they'll see you. They shouldnt feel prompted by a little measly discount if its really worth it to them.
Lol!!! Now im writing a novel my bad! Ha but yes now i find that tacky and each relationship is different so taking it case by case is better idea in my opinion. If im having fun with a reg i wont throw him out or anything lol! All depends on the client and how im feeling
There are many ways to show appriciation without having a "loyalty discount.program"
...for decades, I can say that all businesses seek repeat clients -- it's easier to retain a client than it is to obtain a new one. One of the best ways to do that is through superior service, superior product knowledge and being able to get the job done professionally and in a way that makes it a better experience than your competition.
Some of these same lessons apply to the provider/client relationship -- if she can provide a better experience, chances are she will have a repeat client.
Of course, there are different demographics in all businesses, and the "hobby" is no exception. There are some clients who are continual seeking the "new" and most likely won't repeat at all. If she wants to establish a clientele that has a repeat basis, she needs to know that this is the sort of client she's talking to.
Research and communication are key in discerning these traits. I'm very much upfront with any women with whom I'm considering booking some time with in that I'm looking for something with a bit more connection and we spend some time communicating before hand. Also, I generally book longer appointments (2 hours) and she knows that we'll have time to get to know one another.
I'd assume it's difficult to establish a long-term repeat client based on 1/2 hour sessions.
First of all loyalty is important, on both sides, and I do try to see atfs as much as possible. However, I cannot party at regular intervals. So there's no way I could do a reward program. Nor do I expect an atf to always be available for me when I happen to be free. With me there's always some hit and miss with atfs. But I have had ladies do mini incentive programs. One lady offered me five sessions for five hundred dollars because she needed the money up front for rent. Her only stipulation was that I had a year to do the five sessions. That happened to work out perfectly for my limited schedule. Plus, it was nice to have an ace in the hole for when I wanted to do two sessions in a day without any extra cost. We did that twice over the years. Another lady offered me thirty extra minutes every session booked since it was so far to travel to see her. I returned the favor by always booking ninety minute sessions, instead of my normal sixty minutes.
But I think the most important reason most ladies don't really offer incentives is the nature of the hobby. The ladies know that when our cocks get hard, we are helpless sons of bitches. No need to offer an incentive when you know the phone is going to ring.
I, for one am not a hotel, car rental or airline. I am a human being trying to make a special connection with a client. That said, I have a client I do deep discounts for because he sees me 2-3 times a week. Yes, *a week*. I roll my eyes when a client who's seen me once reaches out 6 months later to get a discount.
The bitchiness of this post isn't directed towards the OP but rather towards the collective of clients who are of the opinion that having sex with a provider is like shopping at Walmart.
In Walmart's defense, at least they give money back for an unsatisfactory product. 
If you look at it like a meal (ugh), you don't get to give your meal back and ask for a refund after you've eaten it. If someone shows up and doesn't like what they see, I don't charge anything and they leave. But one does not get to fuck me for an hour and then ask for a refund.
Oh the joys of comparing women to corporations and inanimate objects.
I actually did get a refund for a meal. Was with a group. Ordered a deep dish pizza. Was given a flat pizza. Ate it because of the social occasion. Complained to the restaurant. Was given a gift certificate for the next pizza.
Completely optional, of course. Discounts, birthday gift, special photos/newsletters/ etc.
I'm still working out the specifics but I am have cards made as I'm typing this
I'm still working out the specifics but I am have cards made as I'm typing this
"I have not really come across anything like this in the hobby world personally. " . There is an absolutely loyalty program, but only for those who we WANT to see again. Usually it comes as tons of OTC or ocasionalluy even a gift date. Unfortunately, you do not fall into this category.
I was offered a card; after 10 visits, next one is in the house. I found it cute; in the end, it's all economics. BTW, this was the priciest service and higher quality in that particular city.