Specially when they're spreading bullshit rumors as facts.
I had heard (from a non TS provider) that TS providers were notorious for recording sessions.... and then "monetizing" them.
Getting recorded by a non TS provider is not going to be nearly as lucrative ("boys will be boys double standard") ... and I made peace with that possibility a long time ago. Further - the ladies I see have their own lives that a lack of discretion would seriously damage. So - its not something I worry about as a real possibility. I think it is something to keep in mind when considering new partners though...
The question I have is - how would you react if you found out that a provider had taped a session?
She was recording the session without the guy knowing about it. If he had known about it - he would have taken the camera phone and at least tossed it in the toilet. The reaction from one of our regular contributing providers was interesting: it was for her security - and, she apparently wasn't shocked that the session was being recorded and, in fact, stated that TS SW SHOULD be recording their sessions because they are at greater risk for attack. That reaction stunned me.
That makes me wonder just how common the practice is with TS (or non TS) providers. Not much of a leap to go from "I am doing this for my security" to "I need to make the rent..."
That particular thread involved violence and I did not think that the topic of recording sessions was appropriate in that thread. Obviously, the guy needs to be put away. HOWEVER - I think the issue of whether we think that recording sessions is appropriate under ANY circumstances is worth discussing.
My attitude is that I am willing to live with that risk - just not going to pay anybody - and I'll pick my partners VERY carefully to minimize that risk.
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... you have some evidence that this is a practice, then it is a spurious rumor. "I had heard" is as likely to be bullshit as anything else.
until I saw that thread below - I honestly thought it WAS bullshit. Looks like it's pretty damn real to me.
I don't see anything that refers to it being common for TS providers to secretly tape sessions then use that to blackmail clients, as you claim.
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I mean, after all, this poor girl got attacked. Because she was taping it secretly, she was able to "out" the guy involved.
Does she have a right/responsibility to secretly record all of her sessions in the event that she gets attacked?
Does she have a "special" case because statistically she is more likely to be attacked because she is a tgirl?
Do you really think this was the only session she ever taped?
There is a wonderful saying that "bad cases make bad law".
You stated that you heard TS providers were notorious for recording sessions and then "monetizing" them. Back it up.
the inference that only TSs do this as opposed to escorts in general is particularly galling to me.
Until there is evidence that TSs are more prone to do this recording than escorts in general, any such implications should be stifled.
You know I HATE taking the side of anything that even smells like political correctness, but you are absolutely right on this.
That's the problem with ugly vicious rumors like this, on the surface they actually can make some sense. The "idea" that a TS provider could be a very successful blackmailer is an easy pill to swallow, but there is not a single iota of fact to back it up. Quite the contrary, the absence of such evidence tends to disprove the allegation. We have thousands of members here and a quick search shows close to 10,000 TS providers have been reviewed here. If blackmail was truly commonplace amongst this subset of providers, why haven't we seen even a single post by some monger getting blackmailed by some unethical tranny?
I am with you on calling BULLSHIT on this one.
The issue of whether secretly recording sessions is common practice for t-girls is central to the statement with respect to notoriety.
The providers on this board would assume the worst if I recorded them secretly... I think I am entitled to that same presumption - and the worst would be monetizing the broadcast rights using a lease arrangement for limited distribution.
It seems unlikely that the only time this girl recorded a session - she got stabbed - and then used the pictures to ID the perp. So - we can reasonably assume that recording was a common practice for her. Is she really that unique? Is she really the only t-girl in LA that records her sessions? Was she justified in recording this session secretly? How about the previous few dozen sessions?
I did not detect a single note of surprise by any providers (g-girl or t-girl) responding to that thread that the recording was made in the first place. I could conclude that t-girls recording sessions is common - and therefore the original statement could be true - though not necessarily so. As I mentioned - I heard it second hand - I certainly haven't been blackmailed... possibly the statement is incorrect - notorious may not be the correct description. But it sure seems much more likely to me today than it was yesterday.
For all I know, she's an angel who erases all of those recordings within seconds of her session - and she only saved this one. It could happen. If I were a client of hers and I found out about her "tapes", however, I would be afraid that I was going to be contacted to "help" with her medical and legal bills - and support while during her recovery. If I were an up and coming DA - I might see about getting a hold of those tapes to "deter trafficking" and reduce violence by putting Johns in jail. After all in the calculus of liberals - P4P = violence against womyn.
It just blows my mind that another provider would justify recording a session secretly - when she would be through the damned ceiling if a customer did that to her - or one of her friends - on an outcall regardless of the circumstances.... security - right? Just didn't turn the security cameras off.... I swear I'll erase it. I won't post it on a pay site. Pinky swear.
I think the customers need to really think about it before they "take a walk on the wild side" or for that matter, contact a new provider of any gender expression.
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The providers on this board would assume the worst if I recorded them secretly... I think I am entitled to that same presumption - and the worst would be monetizing the broadcast rights using a lease arrangement for limited distribution.
It seems unlikely that the only time this girl recorded a session - she got stabbed - and then used the pictures to ID the perp. So - we can reasonably assume that recording was a common practice for her. Is she really that unique? Is she really the only t-girl in LA that records her sessions? Was she justified in recording this session secretly? How about the previous few dozen sessions?
I did not detect a single note of surprise by any providers (g-girl or t-girl) responding to that thread that the recording was made in the first place. I could conclude that t-girls recording sessions is common - and therefore the original statement could be true - though not necessarily so. As I mentioned - I heard it second hand - I certainly haven't been blackmailed... possibly the statement is incorrect - notorious may not be the correct description. But it sure seems much more likely to me today than it was yesterday.
For all I know, she's an angel who erases all of those recordings within seconds of her session - and she only saved this one. It could happen. If I were a client of hers and I found out about her "tapes", however, I would be afraid that I was going to be contacted to "help" with her medical and legal bills - and support while during her recovery. If I were an up and coming DA - I might see about getting a hold of those tapes to "deter trafficking" and reduce violence by putting Johns in jail. After all in the calculus of liberals - P4P = violence against womyn.
It just blows my mind that another provider would justify recording a session secretly - when she would be through the damned ceiling if a customer did that to her - or one of her friends - on an outcall regardless of the circumstances.... security - right? Just didn't turn the security cameras off.... I swear I'll erase it. I won't post it on a pay site. Pinky swear.
I think the customers need to really think about it before they "take a walk on the wild side" or for that matter, contact a new provider of any gender expression.
I guess we were all too busy being upset that a lady got STABBED that we forgot to be outraged about the video.
The providers on this board would assume the worst if I recorded them secretly... I think I am entitled to that same presumption - and the worst would be monetizing the broadcast rights using a lease arrangement for limited distribution.
It seems unlikely that the only time this girl recorded a session - she got stabbed - and then used the pictures to ID the perp. So - we can reasonably assume that recording was a common practice for her. Is she really that unique? Is she really the only t-girl in LA that records her sessions? Was she justified in recording this session secretly? How about the previous few dozen sessions?
I did not detect a single note of surprise by any providers (g-girl or t-girl) responding to that thread that the recording was made in the first place. I could conclude that t-girls recording sessions is common - and therefore the original statement could be true - though not necessarily so. As I mentioned - I heard it second hand - I certainly haven't been blackmailed... possibly the statement is incorrect - notorious may not be the correct description. But it sure seems much more likely to me today than it was yesterday.
For all I know, she's an angel who erases all of those recordings within seconds of her session - and she only saved this one. It could happen. If I were a client of hers and I found out about her "tapes", however, I would be afraid that I was going to be contacted to "help" with her medical and legal bills - and support while during her recovery. If I were an up and coming DA - I might see about getting a hold of those tapes to "deter trafficking" and reduce violence by putting Johns in jail. After all in the calculus of liberals - P4P = violence against womyn.
It just blows my mind that another provider would justify recording a session secretly - when she would be through the damned ceiling if a customer did that to her - or one of her friends - on an outcall regardless of the circumstances.... security - right? Just didn't turn the security cameras off.... I swear I'll erase it. I won't post it on a pay site. Pinky swear.
I think the customers need to really think about it before they "take a walk on the wild side" or for that matter, contact a new provider of any gender expression.
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That is the spurious rumor.
I said that TS providers are at a far greater risk for violence, but nowhere did I say that they (or anyone for that matter) should be recording sessions. What I DID say was that it's hard to be upset about her camera because it caught this particularly violent dickwad.
You need to go back and re-read what I wrote because you made some massive leaps in logic on that one, not to mention the fact that you grossly misquoted me.
My view is that if it was true, that guy would have been for sure arrested. I mean, think about it, if LE decided not to do anything and she has that tape, she could start a shit storm on social media and the news with that tape, showing LE doesn't give 2 shits about TS gals. So IDK what to think.
Do I think there are ladies out there that record (any gal, btw)? I bet there is for blackmailing purposes. I do not think it's right.
I had a guy try taping me, his very expensive camera was taken. I also had another guy who had to have a hidden video camera somewhere, as he later tried outing me for refusing to see him because I later learned he was bare backing plenty of ladies in Chicago, primarily BP gals that I saw in his reviews. He wound up banned on numerous sites and I didn't have any fall back. Yes, I know who did it, he has a distinct bedroom.
I do not taking video taping anyone (whether client or provider) lightly. I have a big issue with it if no one gave permission.
I get that some may do it just in case something goes wrong but then they should screen better. I would ass-u-me that TS are at a higher risk of things going south, but that is just my assumption.
I don't think anyone should just ass-u-me that TS gals do this, or that any provider does this. I think people need to not say things that can ruin another without knowing for sure if it happened.
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The thread below is about a ts who recorded for her safety.
To assume a ts is more likely to breach a confidential situation like this for monetary gain is ludicrous.
I have met many a provider over the years, and the only ones I have personally met who did that for any sort of cash were boys who were g4p (and that was protection) and a couple bio girls, and only 1 did it for cash, but that was a more blackmail situation. (which led to a very nasty situation for her, which is why karma is real, and greed will get you no where)
Yes, the provider in question was ts, I don't know if she sold her recordings, but considering how much play the situation is getting, I'm sure if she was, people would be sharing that across the board to further victim blame.
And while I do not condone recording sessions in any way (because that is cold hard evidence, not to mention a serious breach of etiquette) I completely understand this provider doing so, as TS providers are notoriously one of top providers to be assaulted physically or sexually.
The fact is, sometimes folks are untrustworthy, and it has nothing to do with their gender. Some of the most loyal and honest providers I have met are those who have taken the hard road to womanhood.
I'm "out" to most everyone about my mongering habits, and there's already (non-sexual) videos of me floating around the internet. Also, I recently joined Twitter, and one of the local providers posts a lot of pictures of her giving blowjobs. I think I'll book a session with her, I'm kind of turned on by the idea of my dick in a hot chick's mouth out there for everyone to see. Also, I asked recently on my local board if anyone was into webcamming shows, and wanted some male talent. But that's just me; I'm one of those people who really doesn't give a flying fuck.
Guys go there intending to get fucked. Extortion is just another way of getting fucked.
I mostly see agency girls, and the ones I've encountered are just as interested in maintaining their anonymity as I am. If an unscrupulous org decided to tape without either the girl or me knowing and then tried to "monetize" it, I would out them here on the TER boards and other sites and they would be finished.
and then the blackmailer finds it biting them in the ass.
Picture someone trying to blackmail me for seeing hookers, or someone like Van for seeing Trannies. I guarantee the would be blackmailers wouldn't only be outed, but they'd find themselves in prison for their efforts. You can only blackmail people who have secrets to hide, and if this really were a common practice you'd be hearing a lot more about it right here on TER.
A lot of people are biased against trannies, the hooker mentioned in the OP sounds like one of them. As for being taped, yeah I'd be pissed if I found a hooker I had seen was secretly recording sessions. Now OTOH if she had a security camera NOT in the bedroom that LE could use to see who the last person who entered her place in the event she turned up dead, I would be ok with that. Being caught on camera just "being there" is not evidence of a crime. Taping an actual session, including the exchange of money can and has been enough to put a john in jail.
Getting recorded by a non TS provider is not going to be nearly as lucrative ("boys will be boys double standard") ... and I made peace with that possibility a long time ago. Further - the ladies I see have their own lives that a lack of discretion would seriously damage. So - its not something I worry about as a real possibility. I think it is something to keep in mind when considering new partners though...
The question I have is - how would you react if you found out that a provider had taped a session?
No one wants to be taped, for any reason.
She was almost killed and lucky for her, she did tape it. Because of that, his twitter was found, and little by little he will be identified and locked up like the piece of garbage he is.
I do not feel that it is ok, given what happened to her, that this topic is being brought up. I find it disrespectful to what happened to her. I also find it fucked up that it is being assumed that TSgals are videotaping sessions. Yes, I do feel the hating in that being said. Those same GGs that are telling you that Ts gals tape things, are likely the same ones that try to ruin everyone elses' business.
If you all want to talk about the situation, then converse about the violence in RL and the Hobby world. I have never had it happen to me, so I am thankful.
Like a few posted on the prior thread, it would be a great time to discuss how to protect oneself in situations like this. Sometimes bad people get through screening.
You all want to be upset that someone videotaped something? Why can't you discuss it a few days from now. Perhaps give her that much respect.
If you're a sex worker and worried about your security and feel the need to secretly (without your client's permission) unlawfully record a sexual rendezvous...I don't care whether you're a TS, bisexual, or a straight sex worker...you need to re-think your career choice. Your clients deserve discretion, and if you aren't willing to give it to them (even if you fear for your life) you're in the wrong business!
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Getting recorded by a non TS provider is not going to be nearly as lucrative ("boys will be boys double standard") ... and I made peace with that possibility a long time ago. Further - the ladies I see have their own lives that a lack of discretion would seriously damage. So - its not something I worry about as a real possibility. I think it is something to keep in mind when considering new partners though...
The question I have is - how would you react if you found out that a provider had taped a session?
say "FUCKING" here without leaving out letters. It's a sex board, not Facebook or Twitter.
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you cant generalize shit like that down to recording. stop spreading bullshit and tell your friend to stop too.
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Tough when you're being butch. I like it!!!
Specially when they're spreading bullshit rumors as facts.
like my address and my schedule of days off ... lol
You are a fuckin hoot.