Severely a first world problem when you work a few hours a week to pull in over 100k a year. I'm a solid 7/7 massage provider with an excellent group of new ladies and gentlemen along with my long term Gem Gen's who have been with me for years. My schedule is always booked and I never worry about clients, bookings or money/ finances. I think the 10/10 is just to keep stroking the ego. This job isn't that difficult if you are attractive and perform you will easily be booked. Nobody's Bonner is going away over a 9, entice them with your sparkling personality. Just note there is just a tiny bit of sarcasm here.
So this is more of a statement than a discussion but...
I am quite annoyed with everyone complaining about the new scoring system as massage providers have suffered with score limitations since the beginning of TER. But now that it affects everyone it matters? Nobody complained that a massage only girl could only get a max of 7 to 9 in performance despite many of my dates in the past saying their massage date was head and shoulders above some FS dates with anal and CIM. They tried to post 10 but it gets lowered to 9. My overall score is on average lower because of this though all reviews have been complimentary and many wanted to post a 10 (some even an 11 LOL).
But now it's an issue
But now ladies are speaking out - now it's affecting them
Now it's affecting their perfect 10/10 scores
Why didn't you care when ladies like me were being limited on their "score"
Why didn't it matter to you when you could get 10's for just showing up and fucking but for me I had to do a back flip onto the massage table then sing the National Anthem while on fire? Kidding.
I tried to address this with the massage limits years ago to no avail
So now you all know how it feels - those of you upset by this policy
Rant/Post over
Sorry to anyone offended but this has been on my mind since seeing twitter feeds blow up with criticism over the new policies and requirements ...
I would love hobbyists to post about times they have experienced score "adjustment" and ladies who are forced to have "max score" adjustments due to menu or option (before or after new policy).
... and I know many who did. All it took was any combination of 3 of the following in your profile: kissing with tongue, BBBJ, really bi, and more than one guy. (I'm assuming a massage provider wouldn't offer Greek.) I know a provider (a really great one IMO) who got many 10s even without BBBJ because she offered the other 3 (and had reviews that proved she actually will perform those services--that requirement popped up later, that there had to be proof that you actually did perform those services in some sessions).
Now, that provider I mentioned who many clients rated a 10 before can get no more than an 8 except in unusual circumstances (eg session with a couple, or session with another woman) and it's nearly impossible for her to get a 10 unless it's in a doubles review. So the new policy affects massage providers wrt scoring more than the old rules did.
Maybe that's one reason you're seeing more complaints from providers on the new policy than on the old one.
some massage girls offer. Greek is sometimes available at the massage parlors that don't really offer massages that much. OC is ground-central for massage parlors that are really just brothels. The down side of using them is that they are heavily targeted by LE, so the chances of being involved in a bust are must higher than with a regular incall provider.
... I just searched the entire TER database and found 3 non-TS massage providers who have reviews in the past year who claim to offer Greek even though "sex=No". So they do exist... but not very many.
Now that I think of it, I knew a massage provider who loved it when I used a hand-operated dildo in her backside while fingering her V, or while she used a vibrator. Not quite Greek, but close.
Nor for domination ladies who don't offer sexual services but are a 10 in their field.
well it is if TER admin doesn't update/correct provider profiles!
Not bragging, but if I had a dollar for every "massage only" and "no sex" FBSM provider I've gotten a BJ and/or sex from, well, I could almost afford a date with you Goldie!
I never "offered" or gave any kind of extras due to personal preferences when I was new. Otherwise it's a BJ massage (to me not the same as "massage only" meaning HJ ending or self service ending).
You have in your profile Really Bi and More than one Guy. Unless you suddenly became Really Bi when you started offering FS, that's an extra point that would have been available to you under the old rules. And if you were open to massaging more than one guy at a time, that's two points. And kissing with tongue gets to a possible 10, all with no BJ.
Now, if you tell me kissing with tongue isn't part of your massage service, well then frankly, IMO you don't deserve more than a 7. 
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she was only eligible if she OFFERED these as a service. If she was Really Bi, love Anal, gave BBBJ, and did MFM in her private life only, it wouldn't count toward scoring her massage performance. When she went FS and OFFERED these, it elevated her potential to 10s. Now with the new rules, each individual client would need to experience 3 or more "extras" in order to rate the performance a 10.
Read my posts again. I said she'd need to actually OFFER kissing with tongue, really bi, and more than one guy to SOMEONE, as a provider of course. FS has nothing to do with it. Under the old rules, if you offer those services, anyone can give up to a 10. Under the new rules, the services must be performed in the session being reviewed.
I reviewed a girl that gave a solid nine performance, was one of the best petite spinners I have ever met, and gave the best CG ride I've had in a couple of years. However, she only allowed LFK, no DFK, so I was limited to a score of 8 for performance because the only enhancement that applied was BBBJ. I submitted as a 9 and was rebuked by the moderator. Very few of the girls I see offer Anal, Duos, or More than one guy (which I have no interest in anyway, so I wouldn't do it even if it WAS available), so the only way they could get to a nine is with BBBJ and DFK, which many do. I felt this rule made my review inconsistent with my prior reviews as far as the overall quality of the session.
It surprises me to say this, but I'm on the same side with Goldie on this one.
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The requirement isn't DFK... it's "kissing with tongue". LIght French Kissing is by definition kissing with tongue. If you need to challenge a moderator's ruling, state your case in terms of TER's rules. I've never had a challenge on one of my reviews turned down when I've appealed.
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I gave in and changed it. Its the first one I've ever had challenged based on a score I gave, so didn't know how much I should push, but if it happens again, I will keep trying. Thanks for the tip.
I have to agree with you Goldie. The rule changes should equal the playing field somewhat? I can think of at least 3 reviews I submitted with a higher performance score than was permitted. I had to adjust it in order for it to be accepted.
Why can't I give a 10 if in my mind I had a once in lifetime experience? Like others have said I have no interest or ability in some activities that are offered. That being the case and you can now only score on activities actually performed during the session a 9 is the max.
Just glancing at you menu list on your profile I don't think back flips on the massage table and the National Anthem while on fire will be required for a 10? But I'd give you a 10 just to see it (assuming you don't lip sync)
I think the whole thing is kind of silly. But maybe it's just me...I personally do not care one bit what my "score" is. I only use this site if I need to verify someone or vice versa. The entire rating system is ridiculous. I read reviews and the ratings and most of the time, the 2 don't add up. I'll see one gal get high numbers, but when you read the words, it wasn't anything spectacular, but apparently if she's really young and skinny with big tits, that's all it takes...and then you get the women who have mediocre numbers, yet the review states the guy had a great time, he just chose to score her lower...why? who knows?! Does it matter?! NO! Every single person will experience something completely different with each provider and every provider provides a different experience for each client. Which is how it should be...who wants a cookie cutter non-personalized experience? What I do with BillyBob might be nothing like what I do with JimBob. And how they treat me from the initial email to how he responds to my touch, will dictate that. We also all know that reviews on this site have not always been legitimate. I know of one retired well-known provider who ALWAYS manipulated her score. And sometimes, though it's hard to believe...the reviews aren't exactly accurate according to what really transpired...but hey, let's all keep bitching and moaning about stuff that really doesn't matter...at least to those of us who know our worth without being scored. Instead, how about we be less judgemental, and understand that this is all about having fun and being safe. I love the idea of just having a checklist...details are irrelevant. Unless we providers can respond to our reviews by reviewing our clients in return, then it's jut stupid. So please, be kind when you're judging us and be thankful it doesn't go both ways. Ok...I'm done with my rant! haha!
that's why they're upset.
Everyone wants a perfect score. My auto mechanic, my broker, my escort. Every kid needs a 4.0 or he/she won't get in their 1st choice college.
If I don't give it, I'm AFRAID of the repercussions.
Would you repeat?
PASS = yes
FAIL = no
Haha good enough for me
When your neighbor loses his job, it's a recession. When you lose yours, it's a depression.
I've been saying for years that performance scores should be separate from what a gal does, and rate how well a gal performs whatever menu items she's into rather than how many things she does.
After all, if a gal only does FBSM but does it will some verve and gusto, I'm much more impressed than with a gal who does everything but in a very lackadaisical way, or with an attitude, etc.
1. Take a provider who got consistent 10s - let's say three or more. Now she's getting consistent 9s.
Now take the client who just joined recently and hasn't read any of the threads about the change.
This client pulls up a profile and sees someone who appears to be in decline, which happens to providers who start to lose interest or enthusiasm for this.
The client moves on to another provider.
A. The provider has lost a potential client even though nothing may have changed about her performance; it may in fact have improved
B. The client misses out on what is probably a great experience
2. Making anal sex a cutoff between a 10 and a 9 elevates what is a low priority item for most clients to a status that it doesn't deserve. Go ahead and read the profiles of providers who offer anal. I have looked at two top-of-the-charts providers with more than 60 pre-2017 perfect 10 reviews between them. Of those 60, 10 (16%), of the reviews actually mentioned having anal sex. In other words, it is a distinct minority of clients who may have self-selected a provider who does anal to whom it actually mattered that they did that. If you want to find a provider that does anal, you can easily do a search and separate the two.
Your argument would be valid if anal was actually the cutoff, but it isn't.
Of course it is. For anybody not interested in threesoms, they can't give a ten unless they did anal in the session, no matter how great they thought she was. As he said, a lot of guys aren't looking for anal.
Come to think of it, a lady hobbyist can't give a ten at all, unless TER is willing to "count" anal strapon play. Which I doubt. I also doubt many lady hobbyists are very interested in that, but I wouldn't really know.
As Fearghas pointed out, the other two criteria are so rarely in play that they effectively have no impact on ratings. How many reviews are for two providers, 1%? And I have probably read a thousand reviews at this point and seen one gangbang.
Based on the criteria in use, one can only assume that the people who created it are in cahoots with the PSE crowd, although if they wanted to be more up with current trends they would use creampies and step-relative role-playing as worth bonus points based on what's usually playing on the front page of Xvideos.
Once the maximum score was established (7, 8, 9 or 10), reviewers would rate performance at that level. As I have said many times, I have had some FANTASTIC 7-out-of-7s. Based on Profile claims (I don't avail myself of everything claimed to be offered), I have also had some 7-out-of-10s (and worse 
The written reviews are most telling. As many have noted, there are and will be many, "I would have given her a 10, if allowed." 7/7 = 100% performance; 7/10 = 70% performance may be more informative.
Don't believe me do a search. I complained about it for years. But the new system is worse. I don't share my paid dates with other dudes, I don't do ass, I don't review sessions with my wife (conflict of intrest), and I rarely do doubles anymore. So no matter what I can't give a ten no matter how happy I am and no matter how willing she was of letting fucking her in her ass while eating out a woman while some guy fucks her pussy.
Since scores equal business will the ladies even want an honest positive review from me given because of my limited menus I can't give a top score to her? I am thinking not. Also high scores under the new system means that she doesn't offer the sessions I am looking for. The new system encourages lying even more than the old system, which contains plenty of lies.
Then you add in most scores are under the old system and aren't going to be regraded to match current standards it is a mess favoring established ladies graded mostly by the looser old rules.
If I'm understanding the new review policy correctly, which is that a lady can only earn the extra point(s) if she actually performs the qualifying service(s) with a client during a session, providers and clients could game the new policy by pretending that anal occurred during a session when it actually didn't. Kissing with tongue and BBBJ will qualify a lady to receive a 9, and if the client happens to mention that anal supposedly occurred, the lady can now receive a 10.
Another way would be for reviewers to mention that a male friend joined for a "more than one guy" session.
If it was a doubles session, I believe a new page would be required to include both providers, but I'm not sure on this.
Bottom line is that the new review policy hardly changes anything, and if you start to see a lot of new reviews of a lady all of a sudden including anal in her sessions, when there previously weren't many (or any) anal reviews in the past, you'll know something suspicious is going on.
... a lot of her clients only see 10/10 providers. And she thinks that a 9, because she doesn't take it in the 3 hole, puts a tinge of doubt in their thinking.
I think, perhaps she believes her clients can't read.
Personally, to me it's all conjecture.
Severely a first world problem when you work a few hours a week to pull in over 100k a year. I'm a solid 7/7 massage provider with an excellent group of new ladies and gentlemen along with my long term Gem Gen's who have been with me for years. My schedule is always booked and I never worry about clients, bookings or money/ finances. I think the 10/10 is just to keep stroking the ego. This job isn't that difficult if you are attractive and perform you will easily be booked. Nobody's Bonner is going away over a 9, entice them with your sparkling personality. Just note there is just a tiny bit of sarcasm here.
This new scoring changes the subjective to much more objective. The people complaining about it probably also think they give 110 percent effort. Which of course does not exist!
There are plenty of other sites that don't have scoring. Their members are complaining that they need scoring instead of just YES/NO.
Waaaaah, get a freaking wambulance!
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I just looked at your menu and scores and WTH you are a full service and then some provider!
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providers some who have been around for a long time recall her various postings and rants talking mess about gfe providers.
voila she is now one of us like someone said one of her better threADs but still a threAD.
she is not going to answer about being underage when her reviews started here cause then she would have to admit her profile is incorrect.Plus that does not look good when posting a threAD oh I mean post on the GB.
Granted, she hasn't always been the most likeable poster who has ever graced this site, but it's one thing to call her a liar about her age. Something I am absolutely positive she (and hundreds, if not thousands of other hookers) has done here. It's quite another to accuse her of being an underage hooker in 08.
Yeah we get it, you don't like her, but lets not get carried away here.
Smart move!
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This is so funny HUGS everyone. Maybe I can post as "mature" and then it would be a bait n switch LOL LOL
"somebody" sent in a problem report and got it changed by Admin.
I wonder who that smart person was??? lol
At least it matches up with being of legal age now when she started.
At least now it's her accurate age range instead of early 20's, which she had posted.
So, would it be inapproprate to wish Goldie a Happy Birthday? lol
First it went from 21-25 to 31-35, early this morning, then maybe an hour ago, it changed to 26-30.
She didn't like someone reporting her and listing her likely real age, so she problem reported herself to bring it to 26-30. TER had it right when they changed it, I would bet.
Pretty sad that she thinks it is funny. It is one thing for hookers to fib on their age, quite another to advertise as a minor with guys having reviews on her. I guess she doesn't get the whole he can get into trouble with the law for underage.
Based on her prior posts, she has plenty of problems, so to her this is all a game.
It's easy to prove she is not 21-25 as the math does not add up, but unless someone had proof she was over 31, all they could do would be to get her bumped up to the next level 26-30.
Admin either mistakenly bumped her up two levels up on age, did it just to piss her off as she was being such a bitch, not just on this thread, but on several others, or thought they did have proof she was over 31, but reconsidered.
I secretly (ok, I guess not so secretly now) was hoping Admin just did it to piss her off and bait her into saying something really stupid and give them an excuse to give her the boot. Nah, that sounds like something I would do, not admin. lol Not that I have ever baited a BSC hooker into doing something really dumb on this board before. lol
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I didn't even know of any new policies. I suppose if I stopped having sex and paid attention.....
Nah
I see knee replacement surgery in my future though 😂 stop sweating the small stuff. Life is way too short and complicated. Just be the best you that you can be. People will take notice...trust me. The quietly confident woman gets much more attention than the big mouth attention seeker. xo
If you sit around and wait for others to stand up for the things YOU want, you're never going to get it. You can't really expect people who aren't massage providers to argue your case. Sure, it would be nice, but most likely isn't going to happen.
I wouldn't say that the "now you know how it feels" thing is going to get people on your side to help you though.
You know, sometimes you have to motivate those who are affected by it. So in your case, why not round up a bunch of massage providers to start saying something?
(I feel I can respond, because I've been talking about this escort vs massage score thing for years.)
Really though, there comes a point where each group effected needs to speak up for themselves. As you start doing that, people will become aware and start catching on and helping. But you have to start first in order for it to work. Nobody's gong to fight for you if you're not fighting yourself. Who wants to help someone who doesn't do anything about their own situation?
Either way, I think a lot of escorts have been saying if "services" means performance is this or that, it should be categorized.
Over time, I bet there will be three separate categories/scoring systems and search functions.
Massage
GFE
PSE
I feel like it should be that way. Always have, probably always will. And a lot of us are speaking up on it, and have been. A lot of guys have been complaining about the manipulation of scores/aka 10/10's.
And now something is changing as a result.
Your turn. 