There too busy looking for Mr. Right so if one somehow doesn't meet all the requirements well they blow you away.

yo, Chewy, I'm sure you are the bomb in AZ but you gotta get over yourself. Either that or raise your standards a bit and go out with someone who's actually been on a date before.

Or perhaps try honesty from the beginning?

Just another point of view.

Many women think a second or third date means it's time to start buying "Modern Bride" magazine, LOL. Are they desperate, insecure, or just letting their emotions ride wild? I don't know. I know you wouldn't catch Sedona acting like that!

I posted a little along those lines last month when I mentioned the rules of the first date:

http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/ViewMsgBody.asp?BoardID=12&Page=8&Messageid=86200

Your civilian friends won't be reading this board to see your remarks, but hopefully you feel better now after venting.

Take the pressure off, just go out to get laid!!!!

Boy, you make life far too complex.

hey all, while i have never posted before, i read the boards religiously, and finally feel i have something to add to the thread.  i guess you could say that i fit the "civilian woman" category...i am a phone op for a well known agency in Phoenix, but have never worked as a provider.  My input is basically this: the pendulum swings both ways.  It may surprise some of you gentlemen to know that many women have been on the receiving end of this same behavior, although I think it is born of a different mind set. I find that many men I have met feel the need to immediately categorize the women in their lives. Be it "Spouse" "Buddy" or "Mistress", there often seems to be no grey area in between, and no room to move from one title to another.  A perfect example comes to mind:  My boyfriend and I had been together for several years, but were living on opposite sides of the country.  Being very affectionate, physical people, we decided it was needless torture to demand monogamy, so we decided to keep things open and honest.  Then I met another guy with whom I clicked (let's call him Phil) and decided to start dating.  I gave him the whole low-down; I'm not looking for anything serious, just want to have fun, this is not some big secret torrid affair or fairy tale romance, just looking to share some time, companionship and sex.  Well, this just didn't register to Phil. From date #1 he was all about "winning me".  Every conversation, regardless of how meaningless the subject matter, came back to "I can't believe how much we have in common, we were meant to be together" (it wasn't quite that stalker-like...I'm paraphrasing) Immediately he wanted to introduce me to his parents, find out how many children I wanted to have, what to name them, etc.  I would repeatedly tell him to chill out, slow down, and that if things had any chance of progressing, that it would happen at it's own pace, so why force the issue?  Finally, he got the message, but took it to the completely opposite extreme.  He started doing the "booty call" routine, which I nixed immediately.  That wasn't what I was looking for either. (And everyone on this board knows if I wanted that, I could have made some cash doing it!)  To top it all off, I found out later from mutual friends that throughout the entire time he was putting me on this "potential spouse" pedistal, he was using providers! In the end, it just seemed like he was incapable of viewing me (or any other woman for that matter) as anything other than "wife" or "whore", and in between those two titles was a huge empty abyss.  So I think this was just my ridiculously long and rambling way of saying that there are some of us "normal girls" who are looking for a relaxing, fun sexual friendship that may or may not morph into anything else, but end up getting kind of compartmentalized (is that a word? it is now!) Maybe some of you gentlemen can explain why there seems to be a need to make each of us fit some kind of profile in "the man's world".  
Man, it's late... I hope some of this made some kind of sense!

Re:A post for any civilian women who might hang out on this board....

I agree with you about going out for fun.
I have several male friends that I go out with on the weekends, even travel with them.
It is part of our human nature to seek out company.
I don't like going to the movies or dinner by myself.
I honestly think that many ladies have a guy-friend who they go out with and spend quality time with, not just for sex. But then again,those type of relationships exist too. Although these types of friends have taken a while for me to get to know, I trust them 100% and I have no problem with them sleeping over or me sleeping over at their house, without all that sexual tension.
Companionship and patience count. Sexual or non-sexual, their company is appreciated.

V~