I also don't see why this is confusing.
It's exactly the same as when a store offers a $10 off coupon for purchases of $50 or more. You can use the coupon to get $10 off $50 (20%), or you can use the coupon to get $10 off $100 purchase (10%). The discount percentages are different, but you save $10 both ways. She's giving a flat $100 off a purchase of 90 minutes or longer. It's a dollar amount discount, not a percentage discount. Increasing percentage discounts based on purchase volume may be more common in this industry, but any department store will tell you that those dollar amount off coupons get tons of people in the door tooSo I'm fairly new to this way of doing things and came across an ad on that Canadian site where the provider said 400/Hr 500/90min 700/2hr.... now I'm no math genius but this seemed a little odd so I made the huge mistake of asking her about it.... the conversation went something like:
Me: So what is the logic here? Why are minutes 91-120 more expensive than minutes 61-90?
Her: More time costs more
Me: Yes I understand the time/value proposition but what is the logic to your rates being X
Her: Yes, those are my rates
Me: Yes, I can see that, but again I am asking why, it seems illogical
Her: Because thats what I chose to do.
Me: Uh.... yeah... but why do you chose that? Are you trying to discourage 2 hour appts or is there no logic at all?
Her: Men with class and respect would not be discouraged.
And then this degenerates into her telling me that if I were a gentleman I wouldn't dare question her or ask for an explanation and that I'm rude and insulting for calling her illogical... and all kinds of shit that you are basically paying these women to not do because you can get treated that way by dating..... lol
So why would someone have a price structure that has no logical progression AND refuse to explain why?
Tx.
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Me: So what is the logic here? Why are minutes 91-120 more expensive than minutes 61-90?
Her: More time costs more
Me: Yes I understand the time/value proposition but what is the logic to your rates being X
Her: Yes, those are my rates
Me: Yes, I can see that, but again I am asking why, it seems illogical
Her: Because thats what I chose to do.
Me: Uh.... yeah... but why do you chose that? Are you trying to discourage 2 hour appts or is there no logic at all?
Her: Men with class and respect would not be discouraged.
And then this degenerates into her telling me that if I were a gentleman I wouldn't dare question her or ask for an explanation and that I'm rude and insulting for calling her illogical... and all kinds of shit that you are basically paying these women to not do because you can get treated that way by dating..... lol
So why would someone have a price structure that has no logical progression AND refuse to explain why?
Tx.
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I'm a client not an escort... does that explain why?
Her logic is her logic even if it's illogical to you. I understand curiosity but I would fairly asses that most providers don't want their rates scrutinized. Either take the deal or don't take the deal. Just don't waste her time. I think she entertained you too long to be honest.
...so fuggedaboudit and move on to someone whose pricing is more logical and to your liking.
I thought EVERYBODY knew about "hooker math"
It is YOUR fault for expecting logic from an illogical woman.
At least you admit YOU made a huge mistake by calling her on this.
You can't fix stupid, you can't fix BSC and you can't explain hooker math. Don't ever try to make sense of any of this, you might as well be asking us to explain the "meaning of life" to you, Some questions have no answers. lol
yeah... but I mean... she must have some intention in this, surely she can't have chosen this at random?... is it an upsell? Is it a sure sign of a scam... like what could possibly motivate someone to do something this odd?
And before you remind me again, I do feel there is merit in trying to explain the un-explainable as long you don't degenerate into calling it magic, or witchcraft, or deities... I mean you can basically get a college degree in it, its called philosophy. no?
I don't understand what your issue is here? Her one hour is $400 and her two hour is $700, that means she is giving a $100 discount for booking a two hour appointment. Her donation structure is geared towards longer appointments. She clearly prefers longer than one hour appointments based on the fact that she gives a break on the donation for 90 min and 2 hr appointments. Some ladies will just say a flat rate of $500/hr or whatever. So 2 hrs would be $1000, 3 hrs would be $1500 etc.
It seems like you are saying that her two hour donation should be less than her one hour donation. That makes literally zero sense so I can clearly understand why she was irritated with you.
Um.... yes she is giving a $100 discount for a 2nd hour, but that doesn't explain why she is charging $100 for 30 minutes and then $200 for 30 mins. My math is pretty solid thanks! 
You're looking at it the wrong way. Let's go back to the beginning. Her donation is $400/hr. So if that was her flat rate, 90 minutes would be $600 and 2 hrs would be $800. She gives $100 off both a 90 minute and 2 hr appointment. So it would seem to me that she has no preference between the 90 minute and 2 hr appointment based on that information. She just wants to make them more attractive than the hour appointments. You're already signing up for 1 hr for $400 so why not throw in an extra $100 for 30 more minutes? She's trying to weed out cheapasses, basically.
I know guys love to laugh about "hooker math" but honestly, sometimes the rate structure is what is best for the lady. You don't have to understand it, you either want to book or move on. You wasted a lot of her time and now are coming here whining so I am assuming you are a cheapass and she weeded you out :
Yes, you are so right. I'm a cheapass and I asked about a logical discrepancy because I can't afford a middle of the road prostitute. Amazing perception.
"Oh, you're right, I should be charging 350, Dam babe, I love brains, get your ass over here"....So is that what you were hoping for???.....lol.
I know I am breaking my own rules, but HIS point was that the 30 minute block of time, minutes 61-90, cost an additional $100, while the next 30 minute block of time, minutes 91-120 cost an additional $200, twice as much. There is only one explanation for that and that is the phenomenon called "hooker math"
You either weren't really paying attention before making your post, or you are just plain stupid. Which is it? Please tell me you dropped out of school VERY early in life. I would hate to think someone as dumb as you has any kind of diploma.
I have a master's degree, you misogynistic piece of garbage. You clearly are so wrapped up in your idea that hookers are dumb as hell that you missed out on a key piece of information. In his "conversation" with her, he says "Are you trying to discourage 2 hr appointments or is there no logic at all?"
Obviously basic math was lost on him because she offers $100 off both 90 minutes and $100 off 2 hr appointments, based on her $400/hr donation. Reading between the lines (because I'm so dumb), he's clearly upset that she isn't offering the 2 hr at $600 and he came here to whine.
I didn't call women, or hookers "stupid" I called YOU stupid.
There are a LOT of very smart hookers, you (and her) just don't happen to fall into the "smart" group of hookers.
and your "reading between the lines" was just as dumb as everything else you have said, which just proves that they don't make Master's degrees like they used to.
BTW, I suppose your Masters degree was in English literature, or was it maybe something more serious like basket weaving? lmao
Well riddle me this...why is he so upset about this? Why did he come running here if wasn't invested in this problem? Clearly he was trying to get her to decrease her two hour donation by trying to tell her that it made no mathematical sense. When she told him sayonara, he ran here, whining, wanting other guys to circlejerk and comfort him. Congrats, you did just that!
And as for my master's, I graduated summa cum laude if you actually know what that means. And btw, there's no master's degrees for basketweaving. 
Me: So what is the logic here? Why are minutes 91-120 more expensive than minutes 61-90?
Her: More time costs more
Me: Yes I understand the time/value proposition but what is the logic to your rates being X
Her: Yes, those are my rates
Me: Yes, I can see that, but again I am asking why, it seems illogical
Her: Because thats what I chose to do.
Me: Uh.... yeah... but why do you chose that? Are you trying to discourage 2 hour appts or is there no logic at all?
Her: Men with class and respect would not be discouraged.
And then this degenerates into her telling me that if I were a gentleman I wouldn't dare question her or ask for an explanation and that I'm rude and insulting for calling her illogical... and all kinds of shit that you are basically paying these women to not do because you can get treated that way by dating..... lol
So why would someone have a price structure that has no logical progression AND refuse to explain why?
Tx.
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I've seen structures like this a lot...
My vie of it is that maybe most of her 60 min dates drift a little longer than an hour anyway so why not at least get an extra hundred bucks for it, as many guys will see a relatively small amount ($100) for an extra 30 min and will say 'oh, ok'...
2 hrs is still a better deal than her rate for one hr, but it'll cost you a bit more proportionately than the 90 minute date as to her, 90 minutes is probably her sweet spot.
Well if that was the logical and simple answer .... wouldn't she just say that instead of spending her valuable hooker time, going back and forth with me and wasting both of our time? I agree with you... if she prefers 90 mins that's just fine.
This girl is encouraging 90 minute sessions probably because it's not much extra work. Most guys are one and done, so the extra half hour is just icing on cake
My view of it is that maybe most of her 60 min dates drift a little longer than an hour anyway so why not at least get an extra hundred bucks for it, as many guys will see a relatively small amount ($100) for an extra 30 min and will say 'oh, ok'...
Because she can, that's it, bottom line. And was it a mistake to question it, yup, sure was...to her at least. So count on NEVER seeing her. Don't try to make sense of "hooker" math, some rates make no sense mathematically, time wise but fuck it, whatcha gonna do? You weren't haggling her so that's cool, you were just being too logical in a unlogical game... I could just see her now....
Why should you ask her about it or why she tried to explain it to you and wasted her time beyond my imagination. It is simply not your business.
Okay this is ludicrous.... If I called or emailed any other kind of business and asked them to explain their rate structure, they would NEVER EVER tell me it was none of my business and criticize me for inquiring. Either this is a business transaction or it isn't. This isn't the twilight zone. It simply IS my business, I'm the customer!
There you will learn all about the does and don'ts. Most ladies don't like to discuss money when it is clearly on our website.
I'm sure the lady considered you pesky, timewasting and intrusive. You have a lot to learn.
Steph :-/
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next thing he'll wanna know is why there aren't any
cock shots on the Photo Board.
their rate structure? Maybe you call Best Buy and ask them why their price for the newest widget is $3.99 more than you can get the same widget on Amazon.
As Stef said, go straight to the Newbie Board and do not collect $200 when you pass go.
As was already mentioned, she seems to prefer longer than 1 hour appointments, so she offers attractive rates for longer sessions. If I were to guess based on her rates, she likes 90 minute dates best and thus the very good rate for that duration.
As for math and logic, there IS a mathematical formula that applies here: More Than One Hour Rate = (One Hour Rate X Session Minutes / 60) - 100.
And like others, I've seen rate structures like this before, eg low rate for longer sessions. One of my favs, now retired, offered a 3 hour rate that was only double her 1 hour rate. And a great 3 hours it was!
for a thesis or dissertation? If so, am forced to give you an "F" for topic selection and presentation. Just find a provider in your price range, who you will enjoy being with. When you encounter one that does not, simply move on.
Don't overthink!
Quite simple!
NOT rocket science.
No need to complicate matters.
Because if you are, I'm feeling so supremely blessed to have your assessment of my choice of posting and possible motivations and comprehensions. If you aren't... you wasted more time than me, because I actually wanted to understand something.
You want to understand something that makes no sense. Which begs the question, who's the moron, the one with the nonsensical rates, or the one spending THIS much time trying to explain the unexplainable?
Here is what happened, you tried to teach a pig to sing, You annoyed the pig and the pig no longer wants to talk to you, much less have sex with you. There is a lesson to be learned here, not by her, but by you.
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embarrassing, quite embarrassing! But, when you are right, you are right!
It simply is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS why she charges more for minutes 91-120.
It is non gentlemanly, disrespectful and rude of you to have discussed it as far as you claim to have done.
For you to have been curious and to ask once about it, is as far as it should have gone. It should not have gone as far as when you said:
Her: yes, those are my rates
And I sincerely hope her tone was stern and disgusted when she said:
Her: because that's what I chose to do
Here's what IS YOUR BUSINESS in the scenario you described, her rates are 400/hr, 500/90 minutes, 700/2hr; how much time do I wish to spend with her, or how much do I wish to spend on her. Request your date, time, duration, get screened, ensure your donation is correct to her stated rates, have your date and by all means have fun.
I mean let's look at this from another perspective, what were you going to do with this information? Really, honestly, how would her reasons for her rates change your experience? Regardless of her answer, you will have spent 400/500 or 700 for the time you requested. Pestering her about this subject could only cause a decline in your experience with her and I should hope that she would ignore any future requests from you.
Your argument completely breaks down when you compare this to any other type of business exchange. I work part time in hot rod restoration... If someone asks why we charge x for y service... we are required to explain it to them... and this is true in almost every country for almost every service.
I don't have a hot rod, but let's say that I do, and I bring it to your shop. So, you charge x for y service and I ask "why do you charge x for y service"? You know, because I think that you should charge n for y service.
And you say "because we will use 10 shop rags and an ounce of gear lube on your job regardless, but the extended service includes cleaning of your gears" (to be clear, I don't work on cars so I have no idea if the specifics are reasonable).
Or, let's say faced with my original question your response is "because Bill is going to work on your hot rod and after Bill has worked for any hour Bill needs to take a shit, and well Bill takes long shits, and we don't feel that you should have to pay the full hour when Bill is in the shitter for 20 minutes of it.
I could go on and on with answers that are sensical and/or ridiculous, but at the end of the day your rate for your shop is x for y service, and if I want your shop to work on my hot rod, I'll pay x for y service, regardless of your reasoning. If I want to pay n for y service, I guess that I'll have to find a shop which does y service for n.
This really is a simple arrangement, she posts her rates for certain amounts of time, if we want to see her based upon our criteria and our research, we pay the rate for which ever amount of time best fits our needs or budget, we have fun and she gets paid. It really is just that simple.
russ is dead right. except he used too many words to do so .... like I would normally do. lol
Are you new to the hobby? If not, I'd have thought that your keen eye would have seen this by know. We're you just being nice to the other hookers by not badgering them? Or have you asked them all and are coming here for an answer because they all told you to fuck off smh
One thing every man should know is that Stupid and BSC women HATE to be called out for their dumb shit.
That's why the rest of us chalk it up to hooker math and go about our day. lol
It's like trying to teach a pig to sing, besides being a waste of time, it annoys the pig.
It's like trying to teach a pig to sing, besides being a waste of time, it annoys the pig.
That may have been the funniest thing I've read or heard all week.
It's a damn good thing I didn't read that while I was sipping on Bourbon, because I might have spit the Bourbon out when I started to laugh, and that would be... well that would be alcohol abuse.
I work for a consulting company. When my Clients ask me why do you charge $X per hour. I tell 'em "because I say so" and my reputation speaks for itself.
I'm kinda like a Provider! Actually, I'm like a pimp - I rent out consultant
You are exactly right ......None of his business as to WHY, what is his business is to find a Provider at a price point that is in his range who he thinks based on his research as a Consumer will provide him with what he is seeking at that price point....period. Now maybe during or after a session in the wind down conversation to discretely and politely inquire out of curiosity why she has such a structure most likely would result in a friendly and informative exchange that would leave you enlightened and set you free of your anxiety over HOOKER MATH and BSC hookers in general.....but most likely not because then you would have no reason to attempt to intimidate or flaunt your superiority over SimpleMinded BSC hookers and then come hear looking for sympathy .
As for me, I agree with a previous posters appraisal that most likely 1.5 hours is her sweet spot (it is for me), the date she likes or enjoys the most because so many do run over anyway what with showers in and out and the time necessary to unwind after a drive in City traffic so you get a break on that time of a less than intimate nature but it should still be taken into consideration in remuneration but.....could you possibly be one of those many who believe that time deserves no consideration or appreciation?. You are right about one thing though....why in the world would she have wasted her time in a dialogue with YOU over the rates, I don't understand either, ie pony up or shut up.
Orally yours,
Suzee
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Me: So what is the logic here? Why are minutes 91-120 more expensive than minutes 61-90?
Her: More time costs more
Me: Yes I understand the time/value proposition but what is the logic to your rates being X
Her: Yes, those are my rates
Me: Yes, I can see that, but again I am asking why, it seems illogical
Her: Because thats what I chose to do.
Me: Uh.... yeah... but why do you chose that? Are you trying to discourage 2 hour appts or is there no logic at all?
Her: Men with class and respect would not be discouraged.
And then this degenerates into her telling me that if I were a gentleman I wouldn't dare question her or ask for an explanation and that I'm rude and insulting for calling her illogical... and all kinds of shit that you are basically paying these women to not do because you can get treated that way by dating..... lol
So why would someone have a price structure that has no logical progression AND refuse to explain why?
Tx.
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Schedule two 90 minute sessions. I'll help you with the high-level math! $500 X 2 = $1,000. This gets the cost down to $333 per hour. Schedule both sessions for the same day! One at, say, 6pm, and the second for 10pm - this'll give you time to recover and perhaps eat. And if session one doesn't go so well, you can cancel the second session!
There's no $charge for this advice
Winner!
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There's no $charge for this advice!
to provider's rate structure. it's their thing and let it be.....
For 400.00, I see you’re charging 200.00 for each half hour up to an hour, but only a 100.00 for the third-half hour, which makes it a grand total of 500.00 for 1.5 hours.
--although--
For 2-hours, I see you’re charging 700.00, pricing the fourth half-hour at 200.00. Would you consider giving me the discount for the fourth half hour at 100.00 to match the third half hour and make it a grand total 600.00 for the two hours? (I would think this would be okay to ask based on logic.)
Although, if she says no leave it at that, I would then think she discourages 2-hours of her time compared to 1.5 hours of it.
If she gets indignant towards you, she is either annoyed at being called out about it or doesn’t understand the math.
Only ask her about it if you’re really interested in the two hours. FFT: Most people who get indignant, don’t want to be called out to look like a fool, even if they’re behaving like one, or OTOH, they’re annoyed at foolish propositions if that’s the case. (Take your pick.)
With that said, since people come in all different shape, sizes, intellect and emotional smarts, it stems from a sense of pride when they’re called out about it and don’t like it
there may be other factors, such as whether MSOG is available at the 90 minute rate, or only at the 2 hour rate. That would make a huge difference on the amount of work involved.
It must be really hard to get you to cum, baby.
I do fine with MSOG with the 30yo Asian spinners. I know I'm shallow, so no need to point it out. I'm not alone, though, as most men are as aroused by the visual as anything else.
This provider would rather do 90 minute sessions. That works for me. I always appreciate the additional 30 minutes at a discounted rate. She will do a two hour session but the last 30 minutes is at a higher rate. If she has to work that final 30 minutes she wants a higher rate. I completely understand her rational, but does she!
I suggest you adhere to a strict regiment of pot and white Russians. This should help you to fall bass-ackwards into the realization that you are wildly overthinking something which literally requires no thought from you. It's really simple, man, you just look at who will benefit and....and....ya know!!!
Not good enough for you? Try this on for size. She does in fact owe you, me, all of us absolutely no explanation for why she charges what she does. She's not accountable to you or I and neither of us is responsible for her earnings or business model. As you say, you're the customer. (actually, you're not, you talked her right out of seeing you, but for the sake of discussion let's say you're the customer.) Making the leap that as a customer, it's your business WHY she charges what she does is the only illogical action I see here. It's not your business. What is your business is WHAT she charges and WHAT you get for the given fee. It's called free enterprise, man, she picks a price point and you vote with your wallet. Enough people vote no, she'll change her price or her career. The WHY shouldn't matter to you. I mean, this will not stand, man, this unchecked analysis will not stand.
I know you're gonna have a lot of trouble getting your mind around this, man, cause I can tell your thinking is very uptight. So how about this: you seem to be tripped up by the "progression" not being consistent from time period to time period. So, 400/550/700, that would be an even, linear progression right? So, she missed the mark on YOUR idea of logical by a measly 10%. So what? Maybe she didn't even miss it, man. Maybe she just figured a lot of people don't carry around 50's.
Will this help you sleep at night? If you still can't sleep, try a different strain and have another White Russian.
This isn't 'Nam, there are rules.
That's right, there are rules here!! LMAO😂😂
That made my day.
I'm more interested in her bone structure than rate structure.
If exploratory conversation is welcome, I prefer to learn a bit about her, does she offer BBBJ, Anal, toys ....
She may set her rates to reinforce her preferences or avoid dislikes.
Some may disagree but talking money before you become a person of favored status, puts you at risk of being shot down or she may become less available.
Play nice. Make friends. And enjoy the life. It is a wonderful life.
getting back to the OP ... IMO your interrogation was arrogant and unnecessary. ... so mych so that now even I dont want to meet you!
I think you're a little BSC for obsessing over WHY she set her rates as she chooses. Are you espousing a hooker union with hookers charging the same rate? hmmmm ...
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OK, so I get it, maybe it is being OCD or on the Asperger's spectrum or something, but I also find it weird when the rates don't make "sense" (to me). But it isn't worth asking about, because (most importantly) it is her business and her rates, but also because there may be other factors at work and besides the conversation never ends well.
In your example, 400/500/700 for 60/90/120, yes, mathematically, it doesn't make sense. Generally the hourly rate would go down as the total goes up, so either 400/600/700 or 400/550/700 would make more sense (the first holds the rate through 90 minutes and then discounts, the second discounts the rate consistently for the second hour whether you take 1/2 or full hour). 400/500/700 is 400/hr for 60 min, 333/hr for 90 min and 350/hr for 120 min, which seems "wrong".
But, maybe she just prefers 90 minutes, maybe there are other factors, who knows. Or maybe she has an MBA in marketing and has done numerous test runs of price curve alternatives and determined that $700 is rare either way, but with an extra discount at 90 minutes more folks splurge on it for first dates, and with the other pricing everyone just goes for $400, so since the day isn't full anyway she nets more and has a better time as well.
If you really want to get bent out of shape in the illogic of it all, I've seen 400/650/800, i.e. hold the same hourly rate for 1, 2, 3 etc hours, but a bump at 1/2 hour. It was explained to me that it uses up the time slots less efficiently, i.e. with a 1.5 hour appointment at 4pm, hard to get someone for 5:30 instead of 6:00. Which implies an objective of being fully booked, which doesn't exactly sound great either.
TL;DR - the rates are what they are, no point in arguing, either pick one you like or move on. And there may be more logic behind it than you think
400 first hour
Next 30 min 100 off 200-100
A second hour 100 off 400 - 100= 300
Key is 100 of
What she is saying is that there is a $100 discount for either a 90 minute or two hour session.
Obviously, as a percentage of the overall cost, the 90 minute session makes the most sense. Perhaps she is more partial to 90 minute sessions than 2 hour sessions, which is her right to feel that way.
In this sense, it is no different than a manufacturer who offers a $10 discount coupon off the price of any item over a certain price point. This is very common and no one complains about the logic of that, that I know of.
Money is a touch issue. You are never going to win the argument anyways, so why bother to have it? Let it go
I also don't see why this is confusing.
It's exactly the same as when a store offers a $10 off coupon for purchases of $50 or more. You can use the coupon to get $10 off $50 (20%), or you can use the coupon to get $10 off $100 purchase (10%). The discount percentages are different, but you save $10 both ways.
She's giving a flat $100 off a purchase of 90 minutes or longer. It's a dollar amount discount, not a percentage discount.
Increasing percentage discounts based on purchase volume may be more common in this industry, but any department store will tell you that those dollar amount off coupons get tons of people in the door too
Sounds like the OP isn't having any fun. And sure doesn't know how to get on the good side of someone about to, or not, suck his dick.
Screw with a woman's mind before sex and the enthusiasm goes right out the window. Unless, grudge sex happens. But that's not likely.
Sounds like the OP just enjoys arguments. That is a great way to get a freebie argument
I'm not a fan of overnights so I charge accordingly so that only a dedicated chap will brave it!! I do like dinner dates
I guess everyone prices their time according to what time frame suits them with each client?
Some ladies start at a 2 hour minimum or price them so that they discourage shorter bookings. It's a lottery dude!!
hooker math....it's almost as bad as nurses.