I think the lines between the two have been blurring for some time but there are some distinct differences. My first foray into this type of thing was as a sugarbaby. I was in undergrad and it seemed like a great way to help pay for my tuition. At that time, I did find a few decent sugar daddies but none lasted long. After about a year, I transitioned to this. Sugar relationships have been a hot topic in the media and it has led to an influx of people who are not suited to it, both men and women. Traditionally, it was ultra rich men and ultra hot women. Now, it's any guy making above minimum wage and any lady who needs some cash.
Pretty much any guy can go and make a fake profile, say that he is a millionaire. Tons of ladies will email and he can get a different lady every night of the week. You can make all sorts of fake promises that stupid women will fall for. But that is what you are getting, someone dumb or someone desperate. I don't think most professional, high achieving men would find that particularly entertaining for long. On the flip side, women can be flaky as well. They want the quick money and may flit from gent to gent, whoever has the best offer gets her attention. That and you cannot guarantee discretion. Sugarbabies typically don't have much of an online presence. No website, no ads, maybe stolen pics, nothing to lose. I think sugar relationships make people feel better about what they are doing, that it is not so transactional but I think that's totally false. As I mentioned, most of the time I saw a guy for less than six months. As a provider, I have clients I have seen for years. I know way more about my clients and feel closer to many of them than I ever did as a sugarbaby. I think most guys who are looking for a sugarbaby just like the thrill of the chase or are cheap. My clients know I am discreet and I will not bother them between dates. A sugarbaby could cause a whole lot of trouble for you, especially if you have given her personal information.Hi,
Sugar Dating is a rapidly growing industry with several sites servicing the industry. The biggest, SeekingArrangements (SA) seems to be going the way of BackPage, Craigslist, etc. as it has been overrun by bad elements - many are complaining (especially at $70/month subscription!)
Also, since Sugar Dating is the new big thing, shouldn't there be a section for it as well? Plus info. about Sugar Babies (SBs) for all the sites other than just SA? Sites like StrikeUps.com, ArrangementFinders.com, Sugardaddyforme.com, etc.?
Personally, I havent used a true provider for several years preferring the Sugar Dating and the fun and personal touch of Sugar Dating.
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Just a thought. I know a few clients struggle seeing a SB and can't find a serious one so they meet providers and just talk about making arrangements with her. Sometimes it can range from 10k to whatever but that's between the client and provider.
I know this is not the question you were asking but I thought I should put it out there since some do not know that is a option in the hobby world. You'll even notice " exclusive arrangements" or "long term arrangements" even SB used on websites or ads lately
As there is a fantasy of true love and- and - who knows ? May be it is there true love with porno skills and no drama when provider is involved and 7 K is just a month and not 3 days
My favorite and how I am making it.
Yet very open to more new arrangements.
I am not available for sex services .. just for love making
Yet I am reading here posting and advertising. HERE - not on SB sites. just visit SB parties and next would be in NYC September 28
See you there.
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The TER board "The Erotic Highway" covers sugar dating. You may want to check it out, especially Sweetman's most recent post.
Sugar Dating is a rapidly growing industry with several sites servicing the industry. The biggest, SeekingArrangements (SA) seems to be going the way of BackPage, Craigslist, etc. as it has been overrun by bad elements - many are complaining (especially at $70/month subscription!)
Also, since Sugar Dating is the new big thing, shouldn't there be a section for it as well? Plus info. about Sugar Babies (SBs) for all the sites other than just SA? Sites like StrikeUps.com, ArrangementFinders.com, Sugardaddyforme.com, etc.?
Personally, I havent used a true provider for several years preferring the Sugar Dating and the fun and personal touch of Sugar Dating.
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Or else this would be a boring existence.
I don't find the SB alternative attractive at all, with a SB you have to deal with all the bullshit of a relationship and you have to work at it, if I wanted that I'd just start dating again. No thank you.
I'll keep at what works, and P4P works wonderful to me. There's none of the billshit, I get the best of her and she gets the best of me, I know exactly what her motivation is and visa versa. It's such a perfect arrangement that SB/SD sprung up from the concept, and some people think SB/SD is an improvement of P4P, I'm not one of them.
You referred to "Sugar Dating", as more of a "personal touch".
Please expound on what the "personal touch" aspect of it is for you?
I am obviously a P4P Courtesan, however, I have also been a SB and
am always seeking an arrangement, which I enjoy immensely.
Oft-times I hear of SB arrangements from some of my clients, and it
appears to me, it is just a Provider situation, whom he sees regularly.
I know the difference, however, how is it different for you Sir?
What are your thoughts @Computerman?
Warmest,
Angelina Jones
The meeting is a real date with a lot less controls on time. You have more control on looks and a little better sex with an escort. More on the menu with a pro. Cost is not that different. An SB will take a trip with you and no extra charge. Taking one to the beach for a week with no extra charge or even talked about. The NSA I think is going to have more strings than you think.
There's actually no difference between the 2. SBs provides the same as the Providers on this site.
But just don't forget the providers on Eroticism Review.
Oh, I beg to differ! Very seldom does an escort get wet when I'm with her. I can get her to cum usually but I don't feel like she is really turned on most of the time. Whereas, the sugar babies I have met get very turned on and seem to be way more orgasmic (presumably because she is turned on) It makes a big difference for me. When I'm with a woman who is clearly turned on by me it makes the whole experience more rewarding for me. Plus, we generally talk every day which makes it very much more a relationship. In addition, there is no clock watching. I could spend 4 hours with her if I wanted to.
For the most part, they have not really even demanded any money. I've given some as a caring gesture.
Don't get me wrong...I love the escorts I have met but to compare the two as being about the same I have to disagree with that.
But just don't forget the providers on Eroticism Review.
For the most part, they have not really even demanded any money. I've given some as a caring gesture.
Don't get me wrong...I love the escorts I have met but to compare the two as being about the same I have to disagree with that.
*Response: I'VE GOT NEWS FOR YOU LUV, and I politely say, this is only my very
humble opinion, from being a SB, several times over,
so please do not think I'm disrespecting your situation...but
You Sir, are in a full-blown relationship; a boyfriend-girlfriend type of arrangement.
If you are married, you have a "Goomar"; {a word which was frequently used in
"The Sopranos". It means "girlfriend, or mistress on-the-side".}
"Talking everyday"? I don't even speak to my father daily!
You believe in your mind perhaps, that it is "an arrangement relationship"
however, it really appears as you've described, that it is much more.
Did your heart skip-a-beat every time you spoke daily?
Did you revel, savor, and hang on her every word? That's a relationship.
Do you get jealous if she doesn't answer your calls in two hours or three?
Or does jealousy seep in if she tells you she's "going out with girlfriends"?
{it means, she's seeing another man}
In addition, you've stated, you are not giving a monthly stipend, just giving money
as a "caring gesture".
One does not have a SB without an agreement for consistent monies.
Otherwise, it is simply a dating situation, or a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship.
Perhaps I am dead wrong.
A SB generally requires a weekly or monthly stipend.
A SB does not usually speak to one's SD daily, or even sometimes, weekly.
I guess it all depends on the status of one's SD.
You Sir, could possibly be the CEO of a Fortune 500 Company for all I know, and
perhaps you are a "diamond-in-the-rough", for her, and only her.
Most SB's also have "boyfriends", "husbands", and other SD's.
If they tell you they do not, then you have a "single" SB.
Good for you, however, most beautiful young women always have something on-the-go.
As do you yourself, Sir, no? Let's all be very honest here....
In today's society where by a single keystroke, one can have anything one's heart
desires, it is not very likely that you are her "one and only".
I only had one SD at a time, and a boyfriend, as I was a multi-tasking,
globetrotting career woman, an Entreprenuer, and a single woman in a city where
good looking, successful young men were a dime-a-dozen.
The only thing I had a lack of, was hours in the day!
I didn't have much time for commiserating and/or socializing more than once weekly.
My SD's all were extremely busy, as well. They were worldwide travelers, whom I did
not care to speak to all the time.
I'm the type of woman whom, even if I was married, I don't need to know one's whereabouts, every waking moment, or even daily.
That aspect of a relationship is truly exhausting, and counterproductive to one's focus.
That is why I do not care to be in a "traditional relationship", I'd just rather be a Provider with
NSA, guests, whom I enjoy and adore, but have no contact whatsoever with,
outside of this realm.
My significant SD's were off playing their professional sport, making movies, or commanding
multi-million dollar business deals. No time for chitter-chatter.
Though I adored them, it was not a situation where I cared to be involved in their daily
itinerary, nor gave a hoot, about where they were and with whom!
Chances are, they were with their other Goomar, or most likely their golf buddies, or
occasionally the wife.
Whatever it is that they were doing, I did think of them, and I know they thought of me.
But it wasn't via daily phone calls.
They sent unexpected gifts; additional monies atop my weekly/monthly stipend,
furs in the winter, plane tickets to Cabo for myself and girlfriends, a convertible
Mercedes from one, and a Range Rover from another.
Of course I wanted to speak to them and say "oh my goodness, you are too amazing, and
too wonderful", and "oh, I can't wait to show you how much I appreciate your generosity!" However, speaking daily? No, nunca!
No, I am NOT a non-feeling robot, and indeed some deeper emotions were involved with
a few. However, I kept my thoughts/and or feelings completely to myself.
I admit, I even had a good cry or two over them, wishing that the particular ones whom
I had great fondness for would only be with me.
Yet, being a realist from a very young age, I soon came to my "blonde" senses,
knowing full well, they're not leaving their wives for me;
"it's cheaper to keep her".
One ultimately goes into a arrangement knowing that "the loving them part", is not even remotely acceptable nor desired in a SB/SD arrangement.
I suspect Sir, that if you were to completely stop seeing this woman, she would have
hurt "feelings", and yourself as well, would perhaps experience a sense of loss?
That would be a "breakup". A relationship ending.
Real SD/SB arrangements just tend to part their ways, and say "it's been wonderful, and
amazing, however, it's over.
Lots of info there. I took at look at it and it seems like THE place for tips on how to pay the very least possible to a SB, then re-negotiate for even less as the guys move forward with a SB. Not saying this in a negative context, just saying what I see when I took a little time to read it. Personally I think Admin should rename the Board Sugarland, lol.
There seems to be a 180 difference on what an arrangement is from the guys perspective and what I've read online for tips for the Sugar Babies.
Honestly, probably some of the best SDs money wise for SBs won't be found on that board but more power to them if it works for all involved!~
IMO there is more of a "courtship" going on with the SB/SD thing IMO.
Steph xoxo
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And ended up bailing out a few months in when the "attention" (texting, calling, FaceTime, emails, etc.) becomes annoying and starts intruding on my daily life. Regular providers are much lower maintenance and therefore a much more attractive option for me. They don't want to text unless it pertains to scheduling and neither do I most of the time.
I like spending time with clients, but I love my freedom. And not just freedom, in the sense of being able to go where I wish with whom I wish (or alone)... freedom, meaning that I'm able to fully disengage when I'm not working. When I'm on my own time, I want to focus on my own life... I don't want to be constantly pinged with 'Whazzzzup???' or have to constantly field chatty emails/texts/calls. Or get so stressed out by someone I actually dread seeing him and have stomachaches in the days leading up to our date.
This past winter, I had a client who sent me emails all day (he would have texted, but I told him I didn't receive texts as an excuse for ignoring several hundred - literally - of his).
He was really into shoes, stockings, toys, and lingerie... he was a good regular for a while. But after making an appointment, he'd literally send me 100 emails about things he though I should buy for the appointment. He usually paid me back when I saw him, but it was a lot of time and hassle for me (and a lot of cash to advance)... and my phone was ALWAYS blowing up. Literally, he'd send me 40 different emails in the space of 15 minutes, all containing a link to a different item to buy.
He'd also want to chat during *his* free time...
It stressed me to the point where I had trouble sleeping sometimes. Even when I was doing other things, I'd think of him... and I'd KNOW that there would be an email (or 70) waiting for me (even though I would try not to look at my phone). And it made me feel so annoyed and stressed, I couldn't focus on my other work, or enjoy the things I normally liked doing. My other (civvie) job suffered as a result of my lack of focus.
It just became too much for me. Then, he started to become more emotionally attached, and did something really inappropriate... so I cut him off. I resolved to myself... NEVER again.
I recently cut off a new client, because I could see things going in that direction. Like, I'd tell him (after 10 emails), 'Have a great weekend! I'll confirm with you on Monday!' and he'd reply, 'Oh, since you mention the weekend... any plans??? I'm doing xxx and xxxx. So where do you want to eat when we see each other next?' That wasn't his only issue... he literally begged me to stay with him overnight after paying for a dinner date, and told me that he wanted to date me IRL. He might have been a nice regular for me, but not at the cost of my peace of mind
I think the lines between the two have been blurring for some time but there are some distinct differences. My first foray into this type of thing was as a sugarbaby. I was in undergrad and it seemed like a great way to help pay for my tuition. At that time, I did find a few decent sugar daddies but none lasted long. After about a year, I transitioned to this. Sugar relationships have been a hot topic in the media and it has led to an influx of people who are not suited to it, both men and women. Traditionally, it was ultra rich men and ultra hot women. Now, it's any guy making above minimum wage and any lady who needs some cash.
Pretty much any guy can go and make a fake profile, say that he is a millionaire. Tons of ladies will email and he can get a different lady every night of the week. You can make all sorts of fake promises that stupid women will fall for. But that is what you are getting, someone dumb or someone desperate. I don't think most professional, high achieving men would find that particularly entertaining for long. On the flip side, women can be flaky as well. They want the quick money and may flit from gent to gent, whoever has the best offer gets her attention. That and you cannot guarantee discretion. Sugarbabies typically don't have much of an online presence. No website, no ads, maybe stolen pics, nothing to lose.
I think sugar relationships make people feel better about what they are doing, that it is not so transactional but I think that's totally false. As I mentioned, most of the time I saw a guy for less than six months. As a provider, I have clients I have seen for years. I know way more about my clients and feel closer to many of them than I ever did as a sugarbaby. I think most guys who are looking for a sugarbaby just like the thrill of the chase or are cheap. My clients know I am discreet and I will not bother them between dates. A sugarbaby could cause a whole lot of trouble for you, especially if you have given her personal information.
I tried sugar dating before but it just wasn't for me, it toke a long time. Lol... the men on seeking arrangement expect too much for so little. I feel escorting is more up front and without confusion, some sugar daddies want to get everything out of you then talk about let's negotiate an arrangement. Nooo noo buddy!
And meeting up for coffee to negotiate. So awkward ! Why would you want to discuss such a personal arrangement out on public when anyone can hear. ?
SBs are already in denial that they are escorts. I just think the concept of an untimed date/arrangement is more likely to lead to at least one in the party to develop either emotional feelings or dependency like a RL relationship. That may be fine for single guys/girls, but those with SOs shouldn't risk it.
Should SBs have their own section here? As others have said, plenty of chat on the Erotic Highway board. Since virtually nothing can be verified via common experience (reviews) or input (ads) from the SB, I'm skeptical of many of the stories, but to each his own. It obviously fills a gap between RL dating and escorting that some are seeking, but the fact that most discussions here tend to include reports of significantly lower costs per engagement, it's tough for escorts to not get defensive
How does one get to the Erotic Highway (Sugar Dating board)?
Should SBs have their own section here? As others have said, plenty of chat on the Erotic Highway board. Since virtually nothing can be verified via common experience (reviews) or input (ads) from the SB, I'm skeptical of many of the stories, but to each his own. It obviously fills a gap between RL dating and escorting that some are seeking, but the fact that most discussions here tend to include reports of significantly lower costs per engagement, it's tough for escorts to not get defensive.
Duh - found it - thanks!
I find it interesting to see people delude themselves into thinking this isn't a form of Prostitution,
worthy of being Reviewed
On both sides. Sure you can "screen" them, but really neither nor can in an easy way. People are so adamant about reviews at $160 an hour - then what - you spend how much to see a girl that has zero background or rep. 🤔🤔🤔
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Nor is the phone call in the middle of the night for money. Man, I remember those days. Where the guy wouldn't cough it up - said he owned huge companies and gave me $60 for gas for every overnight - was extremely territorial, made promises for the future, but the audition process was over a month - then the chinese pimp who pissed all over me and showed me pictures of 120 other young girls. Then the guy who handed me a business card - who thought it was funny to kill people - you know - the wannabe mob guys.
Let's see - what else. Oh. The one I met here when I first started - that was a fun time. (He hated being called a SD, but I still called him the real deal lol.) That was really fun and he was not a cheap dude. Taught me how to let a man buy me stuff lol!
I really like the cut and dry guaranteed money, guaranteed sex. I think over time my website is going to mirror something of the like as an option, I don't like meeting much more than 10 people in a month anyway, but if I'm going to "arrange" anything with anyone, I need to get to know them over some time.
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