Do I really need to say more?
I'm not sure I've seen this on the boards before but a search did not turn up prior threads. I was wondering if a couple of guys have ever gone together to rent an apartment to be used to host ladies. I live in an area where there are literally no worthwhile ladies that host incall or routinely travel there. However, there is a large college with a big pool of sugar baby girls age 18-22 who all have roommates. I'm tired of getting hotel rooms all the time. Plus it limits the available times due to check in and check out policies. I usually do pretty well with priceline but I spend about 7-800 per month for 8-9 visits with 3 lady friends that I host in 2 different towns 1.5 hours apart. Two of them are single moms who have kids at home and the third has roommates although on the rare occasions when the roomies are away she will host. One girl I have seen for two years now and the other two are at almost one year each.
A one bedroom apt rents for about 900-1000 a month plus electric. I'm sure some of you city folk would say that is cheap, why share? One of the reasons, I am hesitant is that not all 3 of the ladies are in the same town. One lives an 1.5 hours south of the other two. Hence, the idea to share costs. I guess I could dump her and keep it all in one town? LOL.
I'm thinking with some ground rules, that 2-3 guys could pull this off. I'm also thinking the ladies would probably have more input than the guys as renting an incall together is more common.
Any thoughts? Ideas? Concern from prior experience? I'm interested in your opinions good and bad
on netflix. 5 guys get a place to bring in women. it goes horribly wrong. it is, of course, just a movie but it highlights that you would be involving alot of people in a clandestine operation. Something is bound to go wrong.
Sounds like where you are, one guy -- you -- could rent a place and make it work
In my opinion not a good idea.All it takes is one person to not be discreet and then the guys could be in trouble.
When you are in a static incall I am sure there are more precautions that need to be taken.
Like is the lady screening properly or is she just letting any guy come over.
The neighbors in the apt complex some people get nosy...and if they see women and guys going in and out that is going to raise some red flags.I understand you are tired of paying for hotel rooms but it is safer than going in with a couple of guys to get an apt to be used for traveling providers temp incall.
Just my .0
Some minuses to consider:
Laundry and clean up.
Nosy neighbors
Trash
Hotels give a lot of convenience on those matters.
Maybe a bigger issue:
Gals generally shy away from going to an apartment owing to safety issues. You could lose some opportunities with this
renters that sub lease for the hobby. I work on a clean up crew once.
A one bedroom apt rents for about 900-1000 a month plus electric. I'm sure some of you city folk would say that is cheap, why share? One of the reasons, I am hesitant is that not all 3 of the ladies are in the same town. One lives an 1.5 hours south of the other two. Hence, the idea to share costs. I guess I could dump her and keep it all in one town? LOL.
I'm thinking with some ground rules, that 2-3 guys could pull this off. I'm also thinking the ladies would probably have more input than the guys as renting an incall together is more common.
Any thoughts? Ideas? Concern from prior experience? I'm interested in your opinions good and bad.
You need to find The Apartment?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apartment
I wish that something like that could work. If it's guys who share an apartment for football night or a party every now and then, it can also be used for more private meetings without creating too many problems. Not any more than football night or poker night ... or poke-her night.
Share the cost of on-call maid service, too. "Can you clean and do laundry on Tuesday this week but Friday next week? ... The key is under the mat, right where no one will look."
A one bedroom apt rents for about 900-1000 a month plus electric. I'm sure some of you city folk would say that is cheap, why share? One of the reasons, I am hesitant is that not all 3 of the ladies are in the same town. One lives an 1.5 hours south of the other two. Hence, the idea to share costs. I guess I could dump her and keep it all in one town? LOL.
I'm thinking with some ground rules, that 2-3 guys could pull this off. I'm also thinking the ladies would probably have more input than the guys as renting an incall together is more common.
Any thoughts? Ideas? Concern from prior experience? I'm interested in your opinions good and bad.
This movie was called The Loft. From IMDB, "Five married guys conspire to secretly share a penthouse loft in the city--a place where they can carry out hidden affairs and indulge in their deepest fantasies. But the fantasy becomes a nightmare when they discover the dead body of an unknown woman in the loft, and they realize one of the group must be involved."
Kudos to you if you're taking ladies to a hotel room that is less then $100 a night and they still show up the next time. Does this hotel (or should I say, Motel?) have hot water?
If any of your partners or you get busted that is exactly what your looking at. Hope you have a good lawyer.
"Hey guys, let's share the rent on a downtown apartment where we can go to watch sports, smoke cigars, watch porn, play poker, have parties and stuff like that. If anyone wants "private time" to work on an important business project away from distractions or to take a snooze if they get stuck in town and don't want to drive home to suburbs, we'll use a system to let each other know "Do Not Disturb" and for how long. Of course, no drugs and no breaking the law!" What control do I have over my apartment sharer?
Including wheather or not he talks or makes deal. Felonies do not require you to talk or LE witnesses the crime. They can build a case off of evedence. If LE gets anyone to flip your all screwed. Your "friends" testimony, the lease agreement, and if they can catch you in any lie, when your lying your ass off spinning rhat crap and your toast. When the heat is on you can't trust people not to be stupid and talk or save themselves with a deal. You just can't.
First off, "outcalls" are the safest type of session from the guys perspective, so the chances of any of them getting busted go way down.
Secondly, lets suppose one of the guys does get busted and he does "flip" on his roommates, just how is he going to go about getting them arrested? Simply admitting to the cops there are other guys sharing the apartment is a long ways from creating a case against them. Unless he is willing to completely set up his roommates by having them book with the very same undercover officer to book with her, all they have is a he said/he said case. He says they are sharing a place to see hookers, the other guys maintain they don't know anything about "hookers" only sugar babes and GFs. The burden of proof is on the prosecution and without a LOT more to go on, the DA won't even bring charges, much less get a conviction.
BTW, I knew a couple of guys who did something like this in Atlanta and it worked out quite well for them. They offered for me to join in, but as a single guy I had zero need for such a "party pad"
For the record, you have to be a moron to get busted on an outcall, outcall stings do happen, but they are so rare as to be almost statistically irrelevant. Unless one of the guys is bringing in completely unreviewed BP skanks, the chance of any of them getting busted are miniscule. I think a couple of TER buddies could make this work just fine
Chances are you are right, no one will get busted, even if they do the stupidest things a monger can do.
Even TER buds can fuck up, especially if that TER bud, wants to play "tech-exec".
Do I really need to say more?
Reread the post written by our village idiot, once you translate it out of moron and into plain English, it appears that he is really more in support with your line of reasoning than mine. Do "I" really need to say more? lol
My plain English posts do not see approval. I didn't want to say Google Executive.
Grown men can do stupid things, ask a married woman
I realize you still have SPOTY aspirations, but as dumb as you are you still have a LONG ways to go to catch up to fg.
I think I just lost my case. Damn it. I could post cases of exactly what I was talking about but I must admit given the rarity of fatvern being right, I must be mistaken. You are right. You need not say more.
Well in this case you were hoisted by your own "retard" lmao
Isn't havin fatvern agree with me punishment enough? You are an asshole GaGambler. You know that, don't you?
I agree it's a terrible idea, and the likely hood of anything happening are microscopic.
You OTOH are beginning to lose your standing as TER's most humorless fuck.
I know how hard you worked for the title, just to throw it all away in a moment of good humor. lol
I guess we are both completely wrong. I don't see how but look at the evedence.
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but morons aren't allowed to beat the system on purpose and this was a deliberate attempt by Fat Vern to fuck with the PTB.
Nailed it.
Secondly, lets suppose one of the guys does get busted and he does "flip" on his roommates, just how is he going to go about getting them arrested? Simply admitting to the cops there are other guys sharing the apartment is a long ways from creating a case against them. Unless he is willing to completely set up his roommates by having them book with the very same undercover officer to book with her, all they have is a he said/he said case. He says they are sharing a place to see hookers, the other guys maintain they don't know anything about "hookers" only sugar babes and GFs. The burden of proof is on the prosecution and without a LOT more to go on, the DA won't even bring charges, much less get a conviction.
BTW, I knew a couple of guys who did something like this in Atlanta and it worked out quite well for them. They offered for me to join in, but as a single guy I had zero need for such a "party pad"
For the record, you have to be a moron to get busted on an outcall, outcall stings do happen, but they are so rare as to be almost statistically irrelevant. Unless one of the guys is bringing in completely unreviewed BP skanks, the chance of any of them getting busted are miniscule. I think a couple of TER buddies could make this work just fine
The place would stand out, that's for sure.
You can have cigars, drinks, and having fun but that doesn't matter according to the law. State law in particular.
Keeping, residing in or frequenting a bawdy place; “bawdy place” defined
It shall be unlawful for any person to keep any bawdy place, or to reside in or at or visit, for immoral purposes, any such bawdy place. Each and every day such bawdy place shall be kept, resided in or visited, shall constitute a separate offense. In a prosecution under this section the general reputation of the place may be proved.As used in this Code, “bawdy place” shall mean any place within or without any building or structure which is used or is to be used for lewdness, assignation or prostitution.
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Especially in a college town. The most important factors are location and roommate selection. If it is in a fairly accessible, central location in a decent part of the city with a fair amount of social activity it could work. You are right about the ground rules. I would only do it with guys that you know and trust. You could each have a set night/day that is yours exclusively or you can keep it flexible. The latter works best if you just give each other enough lead time. Since you have the place 24/7 you can always accommodate visiting ladies and your schedules
The most important thing is keeping it clean. Each guy could be responsible for his own linens, towels and supplies. Cleaning responsibilities could rotate each week. In college, I had to live in the dorm for work reasons, but shared an off campus "sugar shack" for a couple years and it worked fined.In later years I did it for several years to see both P4P and civilians and it worked well also. In the latter situation, we had a 2 bedroom that was mine exclusively, so I didn't have the issue with linens and supplies.
Also, with a kitchen, you have the option of having discreet, romantic meals, if privacy is a concern.
There is no more legal risk to you than the numerous college students who live off campus and share apartments where ladies and men come and go on a regular basis.
Finally, I have seen several providers in two major cities who rent apartments exclusively for that purpose.
Jessica Lyn, TER ID: 279738, offers Housework among other services.
She also offers Financial Domination. I'd watch out for that one
There is the exposure to maintaining a bawdy place and how a lot of massage parlors and other places get busted on that law.
State code, here is one as an example.
§ 18.2-347
Keeping, residing in or frequenting a bawdy place; “bawdy place” defined
It shall be unlawful for any person to keep any bawdy place, or to reside in or at or visit, for immoral purposes, any such bawdy place. Each and every day such bawdy place shall be kept, resided in or visited, shall constitute a separate offense. In a prosecution under this section the general reputation of the place may be proved.As used in this Code, “bawdy place” shall mean any place within or without any building or structure which is used or is to be used for lewdness, assignation or prostitution.
It's been known to get kind of bawdy there. I'd wager that more than a few frat houses would get ensnared by that language, and maybe more than a few sororities also.
Not positive, but I think that statute is Constitutionally obsolete.
(still not a lawyer)
Google "Henrico County 5 arrested bawdy place July 27". I can't link the news story because it lists names, which is against TER rules.
Its one of those charges they throw on top of everything to get something to stick. Usually its with other crimes, and not in and of itself. I doubt a guy renting out an apartment to see prostitutes would ever be charged, but he did ask if it was a good or bad idea.
In this day and age with all the police activity surrounding this business, I would say bad idea if a next door neighbor was pissed about his activities and reported him - especially partnering with other people.
or a Trap House in the making, the latter seems to be in vogue now a days. Why, IDK
A one bedroom apt rents for about 900-1000 a month plus electric. I'm sure some of you city folk would say that is cheap, why share? One of the reasons, I am hesitant is that not all 3 of the ladies are in the same town. One lives an 1.5 hours south of the other two. Hence, the idea to share costs. I guess I could dump her and keep it all in one town? LOL.
I'm thinking with some ground rules, that 2-3 guys could pull this off. I'm also thinking the ladies would probably have more input than the guys as renting an incall together is more common.
Any thoughts? Ideas? Concern from prior experience? I'm interested in your opinions good and bad.
Especially when you're getting great deals on pussy.
You could rent it to your guy friends by-the-day or by-the-hour
I see no difference with women sharing an incall and guys sharing an out call. Prove she is an escort. Prove anything illegal is happening prove to me any laws are being broken. I'm having sex with my girlfriend if anyone asks. It's guys night we are chilling. Unless she is undercover your not getting busted this way. I see nothing wrong with this.
People always like to see the worst scenario think of the positives this brings. I would be all in if I needed a place to host
1.) They might not feel safe.
2.) They might want to move in... See my first response to this thread.
Just try to cover all the basis.
A one bedroom apt rents for about 900-1000 a month plus electric. I'm sure some of you city folk would say that is cheap, why share? One of the reasons, I am hesitant is that not all 3 of the ladies are in the same town. One lives an 1.5 hours south of the other two. Hence, the idea to share costs. I guess I could dump her and keep it all in one town? LOL.
I'm thinking with some ground rules, that 2-3 guys could pull this off. I'm also thinking the ladies would probably have more input than the guys as renting an incall together is more common.
Any thoughts? Ideas? Concern from prior experience? I'm interested in your opinions good and bad.
A one bedroom apt rents for about 900-1000 a month plus electric. I'm sure some of you city folk would say that is cheap, why share? One of the reasons, I am hesitant is that not all 3 of the ladies are in the same town. One lives an 1.5 hours south of the other two. Hence, the idea to share costs. I guess I could dump her and keep it all in one town? LOL.
I'm thinking with some ground rules, that 2-3 guys could pull this off. I'm also thinking the ladies would probably have more input than the guys as renting an incall together is more common.
Any thoughts? Ideas? Concern from prior experience? I'm interested in your opinions good and bad.
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There could well be a technical violation of the law depending on your jurisdiction, but as a practical matter who is going to know. Guys share apartments all the time. Guys are not always around because they travel for business. Guys have girlfriends. Plus, it sounds like the same women will be visiting from what you say so even if there is the proverbial little old man or woman keeping score (every neighborhood has one) it will all look pretty normal.
Remember, you are simply a tenant in their eyes when you move in. No one knows anything about your master plan except you.
And from a practical sense, no one will know anything more so long as everyone uses discretion but as a practical matter to keep the rental staff antennas from going up, if there are two of you I would get a 2 BR
I know few sets of guys who do it on a regular basis.
1. One was a group of lawyers who bought a condo together. Worked out pretty good.
2. Another set is a local guy I know, he had to bail out after his wife was snooping around the apartment complex he had the players crib at.
3. I have an arrangement with a landlord hobbyist that I know. We bring in 2 or 3 providers and have an orgy.
1. One was a group of lawyers who bought a condo together. Worked out pretty good.
2. Another set is a local guy I know, he had to bail out after his wife was snooping around the apartment complex he had the players crib at.
3. I have an arrangement with a landlord hobbyist that I know. We bring in 2 or 3 providers and have an orgy.
might be the shift in legal status when you start renting a location for the purpose of P4P. Might get away with it on the SB side if the girl/girls you rent the apartment for and then get to fuck live there and go to school -- you're not running a brothel at that point.
Check the law books.
The hotel might actually be seen as paying an insurance premium -- people come and go from hotels all the time and people don't remember strange faces in the crowd unless you give them a reason to. In an apartment complex that dynamic changes -- people notice strangers (Why are they here -- maybe thinking of robbing someone or an apartment? Maybe a new neighbor -- will they be one I like of hate because they have no taste in music and play it loud and late?...) You might save a few dollars but quickly have the cops called and even if you don't get busted your not paying for a lease you don't want to use and paying for the hotels again.
That's what I'd be thinking about
yacht time shares, campground time shares... can go horribly wrong... My main objection is it breaks the rule of not ever letting others know your hobby. IF I was going to do this... it would be with strangers whose lives do not otherwse intersect butthen how do you know they are not going to do something stupid.
I'll think about things and consider the thoughts you all put out there. Thanks everyone. Some interesting discourse in that thread! Lol
...criminal activity. It's the opposite of "innocent until proven guilty." The govt. seizes a landlord's property and then it's up to the landlord to prove he or she didn't know there was criminal activity going on. No landlord in is right mind would knowingly rent an apt. in this situation. And the inevitable complaints from other tenants about traffic in and out of the apt. would give the landlord constructive notice that something fishy was going on. It's not worth the risk.
As a renter, the only property to worry about is a couple of thousand bucks of furniture.
Three guys who each used the place twice a week would still account for less traffic than someone actually living in the place. We aren't talking about a bunch of frat boys having parties there every night, we are talking about two or three middle aged married guys needing a place where they can quietly cheat on their wives.
Three TER members, seeing only "well reviewed" TER providers, should be able to pull off something like this for years without incident.
Now if the question was "would you as a land lord knowingly rent to such a prospective tenant?" My answer would be much different, but the risk/reward for the renters is minimal. How often do you ever hear about a monger getting busted on an outcall? It happens, but at about a hundredth of the rate that LE pulls incall stings.
(I am assuming a small group of guys renting an apartment for an occasional dalliance, NOT operating a bordello. The landlord isn't doing anything and can't really stop his renters from having a guest every now and then, can he?)
Conspiracy charges are one way.
It's a minor offense to jay-walk, but if you discuss it with someone, you could theoretically get ten years
It's a minor offense to jay-walk, but if you discuss it with someone, you could theoretically get ten years.