Lets take someone making $100,000 in my region in year 2000. In today's terms with inflation in health insurance, rent/mortgage, groceries, retirement contributions, transportation/new cars and other costs that same salary equivalent would have to be $160,000 a year.
Also the supply of providers in general has increased with the sugar babe arrangements and everyday women marketing themselves to everyday Joes. In my region guys will pick up a chick for fun after the event is over they ask for money. Other women such as the ones who clean offices/hotel rooms, work as waitresses are providers too. These other women will throw hints out to let you know they are available for a price. Also the younger generation of guys are going on overseas trips or south of the border in the US to see providers at huge discount rates compared to the US. For me that is why I started investing so I can hobby and see a decent provider lol. I use to take my capital gains in one of my mutual funds in a taxable account and reinvest in more shares. I don't do that anymore. I take as a distribution and use it to hobby with. During the rest of the year I trade stocks and penny stocks to make money to hobby with.-- Modified on 8/21/2016 9:32:38 AM
Team I am seeing some ads with price cuts. Things such as $50 for 20 minutes, $100 for 1 hour, and/or $200/2 hours, willing negotiate. I am seeing this in the DC region. Are you all seeing this in other parts of country ?
Some of these providers have TER reviews. One is GFE (bbbj,daty, bbbj) and greek.
Area..two years ago, I could double or triple that in just a few incall appointments. Now, I am lucky if I break even. For a rapid growing reputable town, It's not very Hobby friendly anymore. Locals devour on the 40, 60, 80, and 100 gals.
...there's a lot of that foolishness going on here in Atlanta, too, which is why I travel!
The best time to plan touring trips are every 4 months. Those months are March, June, Sept, and Dec. Dec is good because guys get Christmas bonuses and mutual fund capital gains distributions. These are the months when dividends are given for stock and mutual funds. For the dc area many government contractors give Christmas bonuses.
Lately Johns as well. For the most part I stay away from BP. I never have invited a BP Babe to The Governors Mansion.
Lets take someone making $100,000 in my region in year 2000. In today's terms with inflation in health insurance, rent/mortgage, groceries, retirement contributions, transportation/new cars and other costs that same salary equivalent would have to be $160,000 a year.
Also the supply of providers in general has increased with the sugar babe arrangements and everyday women marketing themselves to everyday Joes. In my region guys will pick up a chick for fun after the event is over they ask for money. Other women such as the ones who clean offices/hotel rooms, work as waitresses are providers too. These other women will throw hints out to let you know they are available for a price.
Also the younger generation of guys are going on overseas trips or south of the border in the US to see providers at huge discount rates compared to the US.
For me that is why I started investing so I can hobby and see a decent provider lol. I use to take my capital gains in one of my mutual funds in a taxable account and reinvest in more shares. I don't do that anymore. I take as a distribution and use it to hobby with. During the rest of the year I trade stocks and penny stocks to make money to hobby with.
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Could be lots of different factors. My hobbying funds are based on current cash flow. I reinvest all my dividends and interest in order to build a stronger Net Worth. I could easily justify spending more $$$$ per month based on my net worth. If I divulged my actual net worth, most people would assume I have it made! However we do not know how long we are going to live, if we are going to need long term care etc etc etc. I just try to have fun 2-3x per month while traveling with nicer mid to upscale ladies in a realistic (market) range.
But I doubt these price breaks include quality of any sort...
Here in San Diego you will get the dregs at those rates. If you're cool with that, knock yourself out.
Some of these providers have TER reviews. One is GFE (bbbj,daty, bbbj) and greek.
$100 in LA gets you nasty ass girls with poor hygiene and physique.
that's overpriced for a quick fuck.
Who sees the ladies on BP, that look like SW rejects, like the obvious drug addicts
Yes some do. There are also good looking street walkers who advertise on BP and have TER reviews, they charge the same prices as they do on BP $100/half hour and $160 - $200 for 1 hour.
Some street walkers on BP have car dates only with $40 rates. You have to be leery of those ads because it could be LE setup or robbery setup imho.
It is also good to ask if the provider is a real woman. There are a lot of TS ads in the escort section of BP. One of my buddies had to turn around in route after the BP provider asked him if he wanted to try the TS experience.
The fact someone has reviews, all that proves is someone who knows her, also knows about TER.
Many ladies post pictures that were taken on the street corner. I don't see black SW, most of them are TS. ... and every white SW is a drug addict, so I don't see them either.
Most these grils need the cash and don't have a good coach but some will preformed well since there don't care just love sex others will rip you off. This is my fetish reasonably twenty min should be about 80 a half hour should be a 120. I found paying for more time don't get you more there a once and done grils. If she has good reviews her price may still cheep just have to do you homework.
Some of these providers have TER reviews. One is GFE (bbbj,daty, bbbj) and greek.
It's not all THAT bad! You need to know what to look for in order to weed out the fake ads or the scams. Occasionally a popular provider will drop an add on BP if she is traveling.
Regardless of price points there are still very good providers to be found on BP (diamonds in the rough)
D.
very disappointing providers at much higher price points who are legends in their own minds. Just as "beauty lies in the eye of the beholder" so does one's opinion on a lady's desirability.
not all BP girls are trash hoes. do some research and you will find some quality pussy (especially black) for a good price
they are not all crack whores, there are some that are here with well over 200 GREAT reviews.......granted there are a LOT of bad ones, but dont diss them all just because they advertise on BP.
The OP is a Back Page expert....according to himself on the Maryland and DC boards. Take it for what it is worth though, he hasn't written a review in 3 years.
Some of these providers have TER reviews. One is GFE (bbbj,daty, bbbj) and greek.
accurate comments about price point on this board, from either hobbyists or providers. Hurts a provider's business/image and a hobbyist's machismo. You will also not get any "unbiased" input about Backpage here.
BP is a crap shoot, but sometimes we win at craps. Unlike craps, when we win at BP we can build a solid list of delicious providers at a fraction of the price. Of course, it takes research and sometimes we end up being disappointed. But overall, the research and taking a chance can really pay off.
I've seen some providers' profiles list 600 and 800 for an hour of their time. Good for them if they can get that and have clients willing to pay. While I am fortunate to be able to afford to pay that amount, after working so hard to get to that point in my life, can never see myself paying that much. After frequenting some absolutely amazing providers for a fraction of that price, will never be able to wrap my brain around that. For those who can, more power to them.
While controversial, my post is an honest input, not meant to offend either provider or hobbyist. Am betting there are other hobbyists who have come to the same conclusion.
If at all, I rather just find ladies IRL, and go from there.
I have a few regulars, and if I can find a certain type, is the only time I play.
BP is a crap shoot, but sometimes we win at craps. Unlike craps, when we win at BP we can build a solid list of delicious providers at a fraction of the price. Of course, it takes research and sometimes we end up being disappointed. But overall, the research and taking a chance can really pay off
While controversial, my post is an honest input, not meant to offend either provider or hobbyist. Am betting there are other hobbyists who have come to the same conclusion.
I've found that high-end, mid-range, BP and sugar are all the same crapshoot. So why not take the lesser table min and press odds on numbers that work
LV, your post is honest, not controversial. You don't attack the higher-priced providers, nor do you question that you could theoretically have a great time with them. Unless you do it with your regular handle (true, we don't know what that is, but it seems unlikely), you also don't constantly whine and complain that there are too many high-priced women.
I suspect it takes time to find an amazing provider at bargain prices, and some simply don't have the time or patience for that, so a very reputable/unique/etc higher-priced woman will always be able to command higher prices. If she's very good, she'll have a stream of regulars and no problem at all maintaining a higher rate structure.
For those that search in the lower price range, I also speculate that the hunt is part of the appeal
While I could technically afford to pay the ~2x/hr rate that an agency or "high end" provider would charge in my area, I tend to stick to independent BP girls. The thrill of finding someone awesome and a bit UTR, combined with the extra hoops (extra screening, scheduling issues, etc) at the high-end, and the lower price/hr, just means BP is the market for me.
in town. As for price drops I've noticed that as soon as several K-girls move into the area the prices drop.
Their prices never seem to go up or down. Plus they have different providers who come in to town to keep your interest up.
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And the one consistency is that it's always the apocalypse for someone. Hobbyists and providers alike tend to always feel something is on the decline. We've got the same basic pillars of want:
Money (saved or earned)
Safety
Quality
And it seldom feels as if we can have all three and must sacrifice one of them. Often enough, one side wants to embed that feeling in the other for their own gain. I'm not saying all concerns are only in our minds, but rather that most have always existed. We can ignore, adjust, or get out.
Money (saved or earned)
Safety
Quality
And it seldom feels as if we can have all three and must sacrifice one of them. Often enough, one side wants to embed that feeling in the other for their own gain. I'm not saying all concerns are only in our minds, but rather that most have always existed. We can ignore, adjust, or get out.
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Although some will say that they are earning more Ms. Rider, you next question would be what are their screening practices and how closely do they screen. Considering that the prices are so low one would wonder or at least assume that the screening process is extremely loose. With that said, I dare say you get more men from the screening services and those who are participants on the boards. However your competitor on Backpage would not have any customers who are members of the boards and are totally unsophisticated with respect to how an upscale entertainer like yourself would conduct their business. Furthermore because of their questionable business practices Backpage providers would not have a network of colleagues of whom they can consult with when discussing whether or not to see a client. As a result of being closed in, they have a Pandora's box of clients some of whom might happen to be members of a local constabulary. Although you might be taking it on the chin so to speak Ms. Rider, you are better off because you have more control of who you see and because you are on this site and others like it. It also speaks to the fact that you are more highly regarded because your fees are higher and you screen much more thoroughly.
But I don't shop BP so I went and did a search. Yup, $200 for 2 hours was the best I saw, but prices are about were they were when I started P4P. I've often wondered why prices of Charlotte from 200 to 300 to 400 very quickly but income has not. It's simple economics 101 that prices are set by what the market will bear. I guess business has been slow at the 300 price on BP.
Not sure why people think BP only has low-quality not reputable $40 and $50 girls. Maybe in some areas but here in Chicago you will find everything from high class reputable and quite pricey all the way down to a $40 special.(note: not knocking anybody if that's what you charge. Do you!) There is some gems on BP, providers and clients. But yes there is a lot of that going on here in Chicago as well. Probably all over.....
Some of these providers have TER reviews. One is GFE (bbbj,daty, bbbj) and greek.
Its usually more mechanical, its usually cbj rather than bbbj, its also generally 7's in appearance (with the odd exception). Its the "meat and potatos" provider experience for clients. You get a bj, or you get laid, you leave. Price and time denote what you get, generally 1/2 hour is bj, 1 hour full sex. Multiple shots? No way unless you pay for more time. Once you cum, she leaves, no matter how much "time" you paid for. Very little gfe unless you get lucky. Generally no kissing.
High volume, a lot of em, also many on drugs, poor MILF types with c section scars and ratty old tats. There are exceptions to the rules. But generally, you get what you pay for. Want true gfe, read her reviews on TER.
providers I would rate as 5s and if I seen them on BP I would pass.
I think you are being MUCH too generous in regards to some of the shamus who post there.
OTOH, there are some absolutely gorgeous women that post there too, so please don't take this as a condemnation of all the ladies who post on the Photo board.
BP is what it is, I would no more book a woman from EROS with hot pics, but no reviews than I would a lady from BP. BP is a tool for us to use like any other tool. If you hit your finger with a hammer, do you blame the hammer? Blaming BP for one's own inability to know how to use it makes about as much sense.
I've run into the gambit on BP. While there are a lot of bad providers and most don't have any reviews, I've come across two ladies that I found on BP that I've got on my ATFs list. I think it really depends on the area. We've got BP and some Eros ladies in my area, but that's about it. Most of the better ladies are touring.
Some of these providers have TER reviews. One is GFE (bbbj,daty, bbbj) and greek.
One provider said she wanted "Molly" in her ad in the DC area.
check into a hotel or work from home are on the street. Car dates are very popular and very dangerous. I have never seen that in this area and I've lived here for over thirty years. Pimps from MA and Conn. have also been active recruiting both girls and boys. A regular I've seen for a few years is now thinking of moving.
Chances are you are patronizing a drug addict, there's also a good chance you are going to run into a TS or two, and people are lining up to see them.
...there's still verified ladies who use BP with higher rates that don't budge in other areas.
My rates don't crash when I put up a BP ad.
Just the other day I saw an ad on BP in A Central VA city for $500, I thought this must be a joke! Pics of provider indicated that she was not in a special class by herself.