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St. Croix 1736 reads
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that Obama got a bit of reality during his first National Security briefings and daily Situation Room briefings.



For the past couple of years, the Los Angeles Times has referred to the activities of the Bush administration as “the so-called ‘war on terror.’”  In other words, the Times did not believe it was a real war, and even the use of quotation marks was not enough.  Rather, it also had to be “so-called.”  

Now it turns out that Harvard Law Dean Elena Kagan, President Obama's choice for Solicitor General, agrees with Obama’s A.G. that enemy combatants can be held without trial for the duration of the war on terror.  Both of them responded in the affirmative to the question, "If our intelligence agencies should capture someone in the Philippines that is suspected of financing Al Qaeda worldwide, would you consider that person part of the battlefield?"

In other words, even if someone is not captured in a battle, even someone in civilian clothes, maybe picked up on the street of a city, with no weapons on him, can be an enemy combatant.

She was asked if she believes we are at war, and she answered that she did.  

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-solicitor-general11-2009feb11,0,7158432.story

The differences between the Obama administration views on this subject and Bush’s views seem to be incredibly minor and would be differences in degree and detail, rather than differences in kind.

Do you think that the Times will now drop the “so-called” and the quotation marks, now that the new administration has joined the fight in the “so-called war?”  

Will anyone who negated the nature of the war now say that maybe it is a war?  Or will you say that Obama has become a fascist?

For those who hated Bush so much and sought change with such passion, doesn’t this really bother you that his policies are being adopted so firmly by The Great One? Especially since this was one of the main complaints about Bush's "trashing of the constitution."  

I guess Obama justs wants to keep trashing it.

St. Croix1737 reads

that Obama got a bit of reality during his first National Security briefings and daily Situation Room briefings.

RightwingUnderground1452 reads

Just this week, Helen Thomas at the BHO press conference asked, "Are there any 'so called' terrorists in Pakistan?"

Which of the two negative presumptions is more stupid?

St. Croix1647 reads

how long will take before anyone notices?

You may have noticed that the term "terrorist" has been dropped.  The people who bombed mosques and civilian markets in Iraq were called "militants" and/or "insurgents."  

My absolute favorite was Reuters news organization.  A few years ago they decided that they would drop the term "terrorist" as being a loaded word.  They went to the other euphemisms. About a week later, some "militants" or "insurgents" kidnapped some of their reporters and killed them.

You can call them "so-called," or militants," or anything else.  They will still cut off your head.

And why not trash the constitution?  No one seems to care. Actually a bill was passed to make the questionable practices legal.  BTW did you think that Obama would end the WOT?

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Tusayan1420 reads

If Kagan believes that enemy combatants can be held indefinitely then she's wrong because the Supreme Court has ruled otherwise and that is the law of the land.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5316401

My point in raising this was not to debate the merits of the issue, which still has a lot of undecided contours, before you dismiss it as a resolved issue.

My point was that this view of the Bush administration was held up as evidence of Bush's dictatorial tendencies, and as evidence of his disregard for the constitution.  

Now, the almost identical view is being endorsed by all leading legal figures in the Obama administration.  

Why aren't people screaming that Obama is a dictator bent on trashing the constitution?

Indeed, it is worse for Obama.  Bush did not have Supreme Court precedent that he was disregarding, as the issue had not been resolved.  Obama is fighting what the court appears to have said.  Thus, Obama is far more of an "imperial" president, with no regard for the judiciary.

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