.....I walk away. If she is not screening me, who else is she not screening? IMHO being careless can be compromising.
This rule goes out the window with a lady I have seen before, and recently.
Is it me? Since I started I'll get endless emails about meeting me and what not but hobbyist never want to go through screening? I mean it's 2016, we both have stuff to worry about.
Why do some people not know about P411?
What's the purpose of joining P411 if you still have to go through screening? Just another website to hang around in? And do you really want to put out all that personal info they require? Oh yeah, it's secure - nobody can ever hack into these sites. LOL!
All the info you need, and all the questions you would ask, are already answered on P411 about hobbyists.
I can pre-screen and/or book on P411 with a few clicks. Never have to pick up the phone. If I reserve days in advance, I will confirm by text the morning of. Before I get in my car (if I need to drive more than 10 miles) I will confirm with a short text before going out the door. When I get to the hotel parking lot, I text one word: "arrived" and expect a text reply with the room number. LIfe is simple.
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Lots of providers accept P411 without needing more personal information. Just because some need more screening, does not mean that everyone does. Some providers want your real name and other info, even if you are on P411. I simply avoid them so we don't waste each other's time. P411 has worked well for me many times.
I had one of those last night. Smh. And while writing this I got a phone call from a guy who couldn't remember where he saw my ad and continued to ask me questions that are clearly answered on my site. and all without even giving me his name. How rude. No I don't want to go out with him. "Clients" who make you pull teeth for THEIR NAME of all things aren't the kind that I want to see.
We all have to deal with time wasters, but I find that guys that just cold call were more than likely time wasters. I did see a few from calls but I think I can count them on the fingers on 1 hand.
I would love to remove my phone number from those sites. But the ones where these kind of guys find me are fake sites that won't edit anything because your info and pics were stolen.
I won't hesitate to move on if I think the screening requirements are too intrusive. You have a minimum that you'll accept, and I have a maximum I will accept. If there's a gap and we can't seem to meet in the middle, I just stop in my tracks at that point and move on. You may think I wasted your time, but you also wasted mine.
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I personally won't go through the screening process. Although I'll tell the girl I'm interested in that up front.
LE, that's who.
Still think you're safer not getting screening
Thank you! I don't care about the chick that made you wait or the 48 hour/ week appointment debate. I'm worried about my safety from LE and Crazies. I like to spend time with sane gentlemen who don't demonize me i.e LE. I think some men believe the whole Blackmail provider scenario ,which I could not do cause I don't live in a soap opera. I dnt want your life info, just want to know if we are safe.
Still think you're safer not getting screening?
I wouldn't give you my personal information either. You have 3 reviews. Nope.
Still think you're safer not getting screening?
that she can't have intense screening until she is well-known. New girls in the biz need to sometimes take risks in order to get market share, same as in any other business. If one of her reviews was from someone well-known in our community on these boards, that would go a long way to establish HER cred with us.
Girls should NEVER have to take risks, just because they're new. A new girl can and should screen intensely... many new girls just don't know how to do so. Or, sometimes, experience hasn't yet taught them why NOT to take a risk, or to back out of a situation that seems not quite right, etc. etc.
I had to change my name completely because of a stalking situation. I was brand new, to all of the hobbyists in my area. But I wasn't new... I was experienced, I knew how to screen, where to advertise, who to avoid, etc. There was NO relaxation of requirements just to get my foot in the door here (I had a multihour minimum, and still, after 3ish years, have only one page of reviews). Granted, I wasn't booked back to back for weeks straight, but I never felt that relaxing my requirements would bring in more money (it would only bring more headaches). As I updated my site/bio, got new photos taken, and polished my persona, THAT was when I started to make a lot more money.
Take risks to get established? Kind of reminds me of all of those hobbyists who prey on the new girls, offering to 'help her out' and 'introduce her to a lot of my friends' in exchange for a few kickbacks.
If a girl's marketing and presentation is solid, her screening practices will not affect her bottom line... unless, of course, her screening requirements are just way out of line with the norm.
I agree 100% very well said!
I had to change my name completely because of a stalking situation. I was brand new, to all of the hobbyists in my area. But I wasn't new... I was experienced, I knew how to screen, where to advertise, who to avoid, etc. There was NO relaxation of requirements just to get my foot in the door here (I had a multihour minimum, and still, after 3ish years, have only one page of reviews). Granted, I wasn't booked back to back for weeks straight, but I never felt that relaxing my requirements would bring in more money (it would only bring more headaches). As I updated my site/bio, got new photos taken, and polished my persona, THAT was when I started to make a lot more money.
Take risks to get established? Kind of reminds me of all of those hobbyists who prey on the new girls, offering to 'help her out' and 'introduce her to a lot of my friends' in exchange for a few kickbacks.
If a girl's marketing and presentation is solid, her screening practices will not affect her bottom line... unless, of course, her screening requirements are just way out of line with the norm.
+1
Still think you're safer not getting screening?
For every time wasting client there is a provider who is equally at fault by keeping guys waiting in the parking lot 15 to 20 mins past the negotiated start time. P411 is helpful, but some of my most recent disappointments have come from setting appointments through P411 (weeks) in advance and still being stood up. Bottom line is, there are always going to be immature people participating in this hobby on both sides. I don't know how much extra you require for screening other than the simple request via P411, but I have experienced some who still require more personal information on top of the basics. And when it comes to "stuff" to worry about, some info requested can be very damaging and used to blackmail.
"Setting appointments weeks in advance":
In my view it is ludicrous to set up an appointment more than 48 hours in advance. Too many moving parts. Any appointment set up "weeks" or even a "week" in advance has a high probability of one or the other not being able to make it. Carry On !
Kinda off topic from what was posted by the OP, but I'll entertain. So according to your rule of thumb, the majority of the industry is ludicrous right? And providers can't know their schedule such as which city they will be touring, or if they will be in their home base past the next 48 hours?
Understanding that you always have to account for Murphy's Law, I think it is reasonable. If you lack the ability to plan in advance for as little as a "week," then that sounds like a you problem, not an everybody problem. Are there probabilities? Sure. Can there be probabilities that neither can make an appointment in 48 hours also, yup.
In my view it is ludicrous to set up an appointment more than 48 hours in advance. Too many moving parts. Any appointment set up "weeks" or even a "week" in advance has a high probability of one or the other not being able to make it. Carry On !
Have a nice day!
Understanding that you always have to account for Murphy's Law, I think it is reasonable. If you lack the ability to plan in advance for as little as a "week," then that sounds like a you problem, not an everybody problem. Are there probabilities? Sure. Can there be probabilities that neither can make an appointment in 48 hours also, yup.
In my view it is ludicrous to set up an appointment more than 48 hours in advance. Too many moving parts. Any appointment set up "weeks" or even a "week" in advance has a high probability of one or the other not being able to make it. Carry On !
advance has never caused a problem for me, but I will only see well reviewed providers & prioritizing my session keeps me on time.
Booked a girl a few months ago who accepted my Whitelist and contacted two most recent girls. Green light given and start getting excited for the date. Night before she emails saying she somehow missed that I did not fill out her on line form ( real life info) Really?
Who's time got wasted?
Both. Did she ask for this info before? Maybe you missed it and the time come and you message her all ready she just didn't take you seriously. Three side to the story. Yours, hers and the truth.
Who's time got wasted?
Nope
Screened me through my white listing contacted my providers. Night before she says I need to fill out the fucking form. So my time got wasted!
No way in hell I would see a lady without screening her, and if I was a lady that would go double. Anyone that will not allow them to screened is hiding something and that could be something really bad. Sadly many guys don't want to be screened, skip them as many of those with something to hide will not be good clients anyway. No it is not just you. It is a common complaint among ladies with standards.
I looked at some of your ads and your site and you could be more clear about the info you require to screen. Let guys have the opportunity to weed them self out if they aren't willing to give you what you need to feel safe. Outside of the screening form I couldn't find where you listed it and many guys will not use those given the choice. All your ads have contact info but not your screening requirements. That will likely get you more contacts like you complain about.
Some providers have websites and marketing that make clear the minimum required info/info options while not revealing her entire screening process or relying too much on screening forms (some clients are happy to provide info upon first contact, but prefer email.)
With help wanted ads, constraints that show the essentials required for the job save a lot of time for the company and the potential applicants. Same thing here. I wouldn't go overboard, but would recommend maybe posting on your site if things like ID or references are mandatory, so that some will know not to bother if they can't/won't provide that info.
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.....I walk away. If she is not screening me, who else is she not screening? IMHO being careless can be compromising.
This rule goes out the window with a lady I have seen before, and recently.