Stick to the truth. It's a whole lot easier than trying to formulate reliable, consistent untruths
... a 20 something hottie offers me her private number and tells me 65, she'd like to see me outside of the agency (one I'm very loyal to). But I'm game. I mention my age and she says she'd enjoy hanging out before or after the sex OTC.
It doesn't work out and we don't see each other again. She goes Indy and I know her booker. We reconnect for some torrid sex and between rounds, we talked and laughed about the disconnect the last time she gave me her number ... we run out of time before I pop a second time and she promises that won't happen next time. Not her fault tho.
When we wrap up, she offers me her number ... again. Again, no luck with her picking up or replying to texts.
Why not just say I hope see you again ... I certainly want to and will just book thru her handler.
Could it be the throes of passion...lol
How is that a lie that "hookers tell" when she just sucks for whatever reason picking up her phone... You want to see her you know how to reach her... And you're still seeing her. What's the issue?
He's saying she promised to hang out OTC -- but then was unavailable.
OHHHHHHH. lol yeah a lot of providers say that, not me though, lol I need my time compensated. lol But they say that to get you to want to see them again.
when it's already established you're seeing her again, why offer more?
I never expect OTC... but when it happens, it's an unexpected extended
session with drinks, some eats and convo, but it's never been in public.
out in public, usually to an upscale place that they probably don't routinely go to. Getting them out of the incall creates a break for them, too, and makes them feel a little bit normal even though you are a customer. I also like adventure dates, i.e., helicopter rides, zip-lining, racing exotic cars on a track, etc. Sometimes the outside dates are before or after a paid session, and other times they are stand-alone on a day the girl is not working. It just depends on what she is comfortable with.
which was why offer to do something that you'll probably not follow thru on
when you don't have to. I understand the game well enough to temper expectations,
hence I saw her again. So why give me your number again?
No rule that I have to call even tho I did. It's water under the bridge ... thought I'd get some feedback
don't read any more into it.
Phone numbers, real first name, saying I may be going indi soon and I'd love to keep in touch.
No harm in any of it. I wouldn't call it a lie.
65?
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be happy I'm not fucking you ... I am lol
Just sayin
I know a few mature women that get caught up in the moment and the attention they get that they'll say almost anything like, "Let's meet OTC for drinks" or "let's have a date night" but when the time comes, it's crickets. When I hear that, it just slides off my shoulders as if it's a no big deal. Unless there's dinero involved, don't expect anything.
I've experienced both sides of the coin. Both with providers wanting to hang out OTC and those who have insinuated hanging out OTC but not followed through. I don't think it's lying per say, more along the lines of getting caught up in the moment I suppose. As a client you have to know when and what is a dead end and just move on. If a provider, stripper, civvie wants to see you then it will happen, if not don't expect anything. Note what has previously occurred between the two of you and if you elect to see her again don't fall for the bs.
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Shut the hell up...and temper your expectations...if you look at P4P as anything other than a business transaction those lessons should help alleviate disappointment...
I do a lot of business trips and there's this beautiful spot I think we'd have a lot of fun. I know all the great restaurants there. Do you have a passport? What would be your rate for a week in Florence? We could make love all day and explore the city by night. Do you have a ball gown? Can you ski? Have you ever tried escargots à la bourguignonne? I'll email you this week about setting up flights.
^^^Visit after blissful, delusional visit when it's not remotely needed^^^
Some people get wrapped up in an idea, but the actualization is not so easy. Maybe it's intended to be manipulative, but maybe it's just a continuation of the fantasy. I wouldn't take it personally.
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post your phone number ... have we had sex, you'd surely remember my rates ...
my regulars, and have always viewed it as merely a way of them showing their appreciation for my loyalty and continued patronage. Sometimes it morphs into a more intense OTC relationship, but that is the exception rather than the rule. Some guys who are offered an OTC date automatically assume the girl is into them and wants to turn it into a RL relationship. You will know if it becomes more than just a rewards program like you have with your credit card. She will be aggressive about wanting to see you more on the outside. If you become aggressive about it, she will likely cut you off. Be appreciative of what's being offered, but never expect that its more than it is. For the regulars I see at least three or four times a month, they will suggest an outside OTC date every two or three months. Its best to let them set them set the frequency and just go along and enjoy.
Some people have told me things that not only was there no reason for them to tell me, but in truth, I wish they had not told me.
The truth shall set you free? I don't think so.
Just ask any lawyer
while laying around after sex, an ATF opened up to me and shared
some shocking personal info that made my jaw drop. She became
unavailable but saw me several times on her next trip to Boston
I think she too was a bit taken back by her own honesty... still an ATF,
I eagerly await her return.
Stick to the truth. It's a whole lot easier than trying to formulate reliable, consistent untruths
Fifth Amendment, and all that
There are so many amendments in the constitution for the United States of America, but if I could only choose one, I plead the fifth! The FiF!
Not to pay attention to the defendant relying on the privilege against self-incrimination, and not to draw any inferences from that fact.
You can tell the judge to instruct the jury, and she will.
You can write the instructions on a piece of paper and make sure every juror has that paper with them at all times during deliberations.
But what you can't ever do is go inside the juror's head, and force them to comply with those instructions, i.e., alter their brain not to think "if she were innocent, she wouldn't plead the fifth"
Is her name Lucy and your real name Charlie Brown?
Why ask why?
Enjoy the "torrid" sex and if you want to try and kick the ball again , do so.
Just enjoy the sex.
just a topic of conversation. I'll take your advice and try to enjoy the sex ... it'll be hard ... then I guess I'll enjoy the sex even more.
A scorpion decides it wants to cross a nearby river, but can't find a way to cross it. The scorpion sees a frog nearby and recognizes an opportunity. The scorpion asks the frog to ferry it over the river on the frog's back. The frog says: "no way, you'll sting me and your poison will kill me." The scorpion says: "of course not, if I did that we would both sink into the river and die." That satisfied the frog, so he took the scorpion on his back and began swimming across the river. Mid-way into the journey, the scorpion stung the frog. The frog said: "you fool, now we'll both die, why did you do that?" The scorpion replied: "I could not help myself. It is my nature."
When interacting with strippers and escorts, the safest working assumption is always that any exchange of numbers, talk of OTC, etc. is just an empty promise designed to increase your interest in them and get them more money. To some extent, they just can't help themselves. Flirtatious business ploys are just in their nature. After all, they sell fantasy and illusion for a living.
I agree with Erin, though, that those types of ploys are more common with younger or less experienced girls. A more mature provider will realize that 1) she can get repeat business without those ploys; and 2) those ploys always fail in the long term because eventually the guy figures out that OTC/personal whatever is not really going to happen. Younger, less experienced girls either don't get 1 or can't see long-term enough to realize or care that they could be shitting the bed with a potential long-term regular for a limited short-term gain.
All that being said, there are some relatively rare exceptions to the rule. Every now and then, clients and providers may enjoy some OTC time. I briefly dated a stripper once, came close to dating another, and spent some time with a couple of others outside the club. Of course, that was a couple of sincere non-paid encounters out of somewhere between dozens and hundreds of strippers that I've spent time with. Pretty bad odds overall. So maybe the best balance to strike is to be jaded enough to discount most of that talk as an insincere, ill-conceived marketing ploy but not so jaded that you miss the ever-so-rare good opportunity if you are lucky enough to run across it.
Also, I really enjoyed hearing some of the ladies' tales of the male equivalent: promises of long trips to romantic places and such that never come to pass. Touche, ladies. We are all scorpions.