This question is for both providers and hobbyist. Have you ever had a sugar daddy/baby arrangement? If so, is it an arrangement you would want to repeat?
three strikes and I'm out! Would never do it again. Always great sex and great value in the beginning, but once they think they have you hooked, then they get lazy and seem to have less "available" time. I'm sure there are guys for whom it was a positive experience, but for me, it felt like a scam each time I tried it. I do much better with professionals.
The mistake is not in seeing a Sugar Baby, the mistake is continuing to see her once the luster has worn off. No different than having a so called ATF.
I have been seeing a lot of sugar babies lately and I couldn't be happier, but the minute they get lazy or cunty, I simply stop seeing them.
BTW, I have a similar sexual appetite as you, I find a rotation of 4-5 sugar babies works out just fine, I get laid virtually every day at a cost much less than seeing a different hooker every day, yet I don't have to settle for fucking the same woman day in and day out.
my only commitment is the time I booked TODAY, and if its not good, I can walk away without leaving any money on the table. For me, each session is a job interview for the next session, and even with pro's, if the service gets lazy, I won't go back. Perhaps my mistake with the SB's was getting into a "monthly" arrangement, paying in advance, and then her not having time for me the second half of the month, which made it more expensive over the course of a month to see an amateur than a pro.
When it comes to pro's getting lazy, it seems counterintuitive to treat a regular worse than a new guy walking through the door for a "one-and-done" but it happens more often than I would like to see.
But I don't pay for "first dates" or any dates before we have sex. I don't pay a month in advance, the most I will do is give her rent money or the equivalent that she can "work off" in a short period of time. I have rented cars for a couple of girls, but that is only a couple of hundred a week.
All in all, I am very happy with my SB experiences which actually include getting sex on the "first date" with ZERO money being exchanged on more than one occasion.
Yes, all the "experts" in the SB world and especially any ex SB's who are currently hookers will most definitely tell you I am doing it all wrong, but I am just as fucking happy as I can be.
In the case I'm aware of, they just don't want to view themselves that way.
Money changes hands, and sex happens. BTW, the heading on this post is a direct quote from me to my SB, but I thought it applied to you as well here, so ... "Honey".
Her point was that she's not a streetwalker, and she's created an equivalence in her head between "streetwalker", "escort", "hooker", "whore", and so on. My argument was, "What happens that defines each of those titles? Money changes hands, and sex happens. How is that different from what we've going on? It isn't". I don't belabor the point; it's not in my interest to drive her away by needing to call her anything in particular. SBs are sex workers, and professionals, that's all I'm saying. Maybe there are regional differences in how the Sugar Bowl is done, maybe there are differences based on what website (and therefore community) a SB uses, but I suspect the differences are much more individual than that. Just like here on TER.
Maybe you just don't get on as well with the SB demographic as you do with women who self-identify as escorts/providers/hookers/whores. Nothing wrong with that, I'd have guessed that about myself, too - until I found myself in the midst of it. I don't prefer SBs, and the relationship *is* different in a way that I could see some mongers/johns/hobbyists not preferring, but it's not because they aren't professionals or professional.
must look to the rest of you, but trust me, I am NOT his "Honey."
This has been my experience. I remember one of my Babies ran out of excuses for not being available. I split when she told me she couldn't make it because of her son's birthday.
It was his third birthday in a year!
fourth time her grandmother had a funeral. Lol
So, I guess my situation is different than most.
However, I would counsel caution.
SB seems like it could be the best of both worlds: Lots of dependable sex for a lot less money than paying retail.
But it can end up with the worst of both worlds: Gals taking advantage by asking for help with all kinds of financial problems while stinting on the sex for various reasons.
Emotionally, it can start to get tough to walk away from SB relationships, especially if they have lasted a long time
Was similar to mine. However, the way you chose to make your "exit" is not very appealing to me. Lol
Civys can cost you too. Dating women I have fixed transmissions , repaired wells, paid rent, etc.. You don't get near as much sex as cheap and as good as a provider. Never had an SB.
That's where it gets complicated, when emotions get the best of us.
Only one of them has been with me for the entire year and will continue for as long as we have fun. Generally have about 3 active sugar babies at any given time and most of them last 3 to 6 months. Some of them I continue to see on a one off basis, but not worth a monthly arrangement.
I have stopped seeing escorts in Phoenix as the sugar babies are way better in terms of what I am looking for in age, body type and bcd activities. My experience has been good to great and will continue sugar babes arrangement..
Do tell, where do you find them? And how much do you spend to maintain them? monthly ? weekly? or you can send me a PM
I think the lazy part works on both sides, some daddies get comfortable and want to see you more and more, the allowance payments start to come later and later, he wants you to be on call and have overnights and gets upset when you have something else to do. I had a sugar daddy get mad cause I wouldn't fly out to see him that night even though I was still in school and had a test the next day. You can't be offering $1200 a month and expect to see her 5-6 times a month whenever you want to. and you can't be a sugar baby getting $3-5K a month trying to only see him once or twice a week for an hour each. Expectations need to be clear and everything will be great. don't be a cheap overly demanding daddy and don't be an entitled, full of herself baby and it will be great.
I had a relationship where the SD started getting emotionally needy and kept putting me through these games to get some affirmation that I cared about him aside from the money. That was more fatiguing than anything sexual. Sadly, I did care about him but things got disrespectful after awhile.
For both of us. Lasted about a year and with the right person it can be cool. But my SO wasn't crazy about my lifestyle or that ideal so I had to put an end to it...but I enjoyed it. I wouldn't do it again though.I'm in a different mind set now and I'd make a horrible Sugar Daddy.
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But I don't have the patience of catering to someone else's every beckon call... I have a busy life civie & academic!!! But I would love one who could work with my schedule.. And my moodiness hahahahahaha..... Oh well I guess I'll just stick to my random hourly sugar daddies aka clients!!!!
Happy Tuesday!!!
One thing about SB/SD relationships is that they are (can be) legal. I know already someone will scream at me that it is sex for money, but that's true of a lot of marriages. Courts have found mistress relationships to be legal because it isn't strictly pay for play (as far as they can prove.) You could give your girlfriend gifts, pay for her apartment etc. Perfectly legal. There's no way that LE could prove your SB/SD relationship is different than a GF/BF relationship. So it is legal
In the beginning of P4P for me was a Sugar Baby role; however, it was all smoke and mirrors type guys. I had zero confidence, zero street smarts, zero negotiation skills, and zero dating experience, and I was broke-ass. I was used to LTR's and one night stands up to that point.
I notice over time the quality of guys does increase over time, mainly because I know how to measure compatibility much better than I did 3 1/2 years ago, and I've learned how to set boundaries, and express expectations without timidity.
I would assume in my case, if that did ever happen, it would most likely more evolve or happen naturally rather than actually be sought out by me.
I've had some fun but I've also had some really fucked up SD's (Splenda Daddies at that). I've learned I am also interviewing them while they're interviewing me. When I had the fucked up controlling ones who were also very stingy, I attracted those guys because I did not know who I was, nor what I wanted.
I.e. you have to kind of know how to navigate it in order for it to be really fulfilling. I still haven't figured that one out, so I'll just be a hooker instead lmao
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Yeah, for me I just found the SD/SB relationship to be a rip off. Someone has access to an unspecified amount of my time (meeting 1x a week, 1x a month, texts/calls every day?) and pays me remarkably little when compared to that kind of time providing. I'd day I make 5-10x more as a provider for the same amount of time and effort, and that estimate is modest.
I think it's a shame because sugar babies possess a fresh and new quality that could command much more pay...yet they are settling for so little and don't even know it. Someone paying their rent? I can pay rent on both my apartments in 2 days of providing, and I am relatively low volume.
I think it's a shame because sugar babies possess a fresh and new quality that could command much more pay...yet they are settling for so little and don't even know it. Someone paying their rent? I can pay rent on both my apartments in 2 days of providing, and I am relatively low volume.
Let's see how well being a full time hooker is working out for you ten years from now.
Damn Monger, why are you on TER criticizing me for being a hooker when you could be on some SD site? That's like walking into a Chinese restaurant and complaining that you hate Chinese food.
Oh, and some of us providers have a bit of sense and have a 3 year exit plan FYI
I only said that hookers make terrible sugar babies. They can be good hookers but terrible as sugar babies. I'm here because hookers are the quick fix. I could make jokes about all the exit strategies I've seen over the last 25 years but I'll refrain. 
Basic Needs
Basic Needs plus gifts
Generous
More than Generous
Lavish Lifestyle.
I want Lavish Lifestyle. LOL
I'm 57, and have a 29 yo SB, divorced, one child. We first got together on SA in 2013. We had 2 encounters in 2013. Since then, we meet once or twice a month, sometimes less, never more. $300 per session. I get everything I would get from a provider, DFK, BBBJ, etc. She's sexy as hell, and she can host. Sometimes she comes to my place. Very nice. Can't complain. Is she doing it with someone else? I don't care, we don't talk about. She knows I have a GF, and is ok with it.
Isn't that just being a "regular" or ATF?
I never get too bogged down with semantics myself.
I see a few girls that I met on SA who are basically "low volume" hookers. I am assuming they are low volume because they have day jobs, not that I care. Other ladies I've met on SA are most definitely NOT hookers as they have fucked me for free on the first date without ever even having a conversation about "allowance"
Does it really matter what we call it? There is most definitely a difference between the TER world and the SA world, even if they both boil down to P4P.
yea, what's your point?
I have never had sugar baby before , all thou I thought about it
can you guys fill me in on few details , since we are talking about sugar babies .
how does it usually work ?
do you pay the girl monthly for certain amount of time ? How much is a going rate for sugar baby ?
where do you find these sugar babies ? is there a good website ?
do you see them for an hour at a time