That fact has been pretty well established over your time here.
That said, you have the right to be both a racist and a homo/transphobe and no one has the right to 'trick you" into being more "open minded" Your choices are your own, whether anyone else agrees with them or not and no one has the right to "demand" you become more "open minded" and start making decisions on who you should be having sex with. Now I will admit, I would still be laughing my fucking ass off at you if you ever did get tricked into having sex with someone who was born with a dick. but then of course I don't fucking like you and I doubt I ever will. It would still be wrong for someone to do that to you, but I'd be LMAO at you never the less.
Did you create a long thread about the provider you saw last week who you suspect had fake tits?
Did you create a long thread about a provider who was wearing 5" heels to appear to be taller than her actual height?
Did you create a long thread about a provider who was wearing a ton of make up to appear younger, and prettier than she actually was?
Did you create a long thread about a provider who moaned and screamed in a theatrical way to make it seem as she was having as much fun as you?
Did you create a long thread about how you lie to your wife about being faithful and then go fuck your ATF?
Or did you just create, or participate in a long ass thread about the one thing that stirred those transphobic feelings and now you are masquerading your attacks as claims of "dishonesty", and "deceptive practices".
If you only answered yes to the last one... then just call yourself an hypocrite, and move on. You're not offended she may or may not have been dishonest. you're offended because of how you now feel about yourself. afraid of being introspective and reflect of why you feel the way you feel, and why you still found that beautiful woman as attractive as you did, you find it easier to gang up on her and attack her, because thats just easier than do some thinking, Calling her names, and humiliating her because it re assures your masculinity.
someone pointed out how her friends didn't defend her. I have spoken privately with some of the leaders of that pack of "men" who for months have already made up their mind about her and they will hear no argument about it. Theres no conversation to be had with them. they are angry at the acceptance and popularity this woman had, and without being able to move on, took it upon themselves to run a campaign against her, so they could feel better about the way they feel about this individual.
Some men of honor did come to her defense and that made me very proud. The sad thing was that most people refrained from defending her in public, and sent PMs instead. I wish these people showed their public support. no more than 5 people managed to destroy a provider's reputation, even tho over a 100 people are in support of her but didn't make their voices heard.
No one can make you change if you are not wiling to change. People act upon their feelings and emotions in order to stay true to themselves, and pursue their happiness. You may disagree with how people run their lives, and their business. If you feel cheated because you feel you were deceived in any way, call it what it really is and dont masquerade it as something else just so people dont see you for who you really are.
Im bound to get some poop for this post arent I? bring it on usual suspects, Bigguy30, Lamont, BostonTDK, NNoway, Townman, Walter.Disney... lay one on me, im ready :P
but I can't help it if threads that I happen to comment on turn into "long threads" nor will I will brow beaten into remaining silent about dishonest practices and that goes for dishonest, lying, cheating johns, every bit as much as it has to do with hookers who lie about their past lives.
I can only speak for myself, but I said the exact same thing in private that I did in public, despite a certain person trying to browbeat me into whitewashing the entire thing. You might not like my opinion on any given subject, but I think it's pretty much a given that I do NOT lie. Can the same really be said about the person you are trying to defend?
I've been one of your biggest defenders, but if you are going to cast aspersions where it comes to OL, you might as well include me in your list of "suspects" because while I am most definitely NOT "Walt Disney" as you BSC friend accused me of being, I most definitely did not defend her dishonesty, despite her attempts to browbeat me like she browbeated so many of her reviewers into giving her all those high scores she received.
Here's how I read it though. There was a thread regarding disclosure. The question asked was how do/would we feel if we ventured into a contractual agreement and found out that the party you entered this deal with had not disclosed everything that ought to be disclosed.
This particular agreement is based more heavier than usual on trust. In addition, there are discretionary reasons why a list of questions to draw out what might not be readily disclosed up front cannot be asked or at least the norm is to refrain from asking many such questions prior to the engagement.
When asked, "What do you think...?" or "How would you feel...?" Or any such kind of question, there's an assumption that you want an HONEST answer. If we're talking about the sane incident, and if memory serves me well, there were a wide range of responses. Some were in agreement with the OP, some in disagreement, and some off topic, but all could be assumed to be HONEST responses expressing HONEST opinions.
That the thread didn't completely reinforce any one point of view cannot, as I see it, mean that the discussion was unfruitful and without value.
Personal attracts are another matter, and had to be chalked up to posters' shortcomings just like bad grammar and misspelled words.
Did you create a long thread about the provider you saw last week who you suspect had fake tits?
Did you create a long thread about a provider who was wearing 5" heels to appear to be taller than her actual height?
Did you create a long thread about a provider who was wearing a ton of make up to appear younger, and prettier than she actually was?
Did you create a long thread about a provider who moaned and screamed in a theatrical way to make it seem as she was having as much fun as you?
Did you create a long thread about how you lie to your wife about being faithful and then go fuck your ATF?
Or did you just create, or participate in a long ass thread about the one thing that stirred those transphobic feelings and now you are masquerading your attacks as claims of "dishonesty", and "deceptive practices".
If you only answered yes to the last one... then just call yourself an hypocrite, and move on. You're not offended she may or may not have been dishonest. you're offended because of how you now feel about yourself. afraid of being introspective and reflect of why you feel the way you feel, and why you still found that beautiful woman as attractive as you did, you find it easier to gang up on her and attack her, because thats just easier than do some thinking, Calling her names, and humiliating her because it re assures your masculinity.
someone pointed out how her friends didn't defend her. I have spoken privately with some of the leaders of that pack of "men" who for months have already made up their mind about her and they will hear no argument about it. Theres no conversation to be had with them. they are angry at the acceptance and popularity this woman had, and without being able to move on, took it upon themselves to run a campaign against her, so they could feel better about the way they feel about this individual.
Some men of honor did come to her defense and that made me very proud. The sad thing was that most people refrained from defending her in public, and sent PMs instead. I wish these people showed their public support. no more than 5 people managed to destroy a provider's reputation, even tho over a 100 people are in support of her but didn't make their voices heard.
No one can make you change if you are not wiling to change. People act upon their feelings and emotions in order to stay true to themselves, and pursue their happiness. You may disagree with how people run their lives, and their business. If you feel cheated because you feel you were deceived in any way, call it what it really is and dont masquerade it as something else just so people dont see you for who you really are.
Im bound to get some poop for this post arent I? bring it on usual suspects, Bigguy30, Lamont, BostonTDK, NNoway, Townman, Walter.Disney... lay one on me, im ready :P
but I now understand. There are really two issues: one that has to do with deceit, the second that asks why this is seen as deceit and important deceit. If I see a post op TS (which I have never done so I am not an expert) and if I experience her as an XX female, why would I be upset if later it turns out she has a Y chromosome? I raised that issue in one of the many threads. I got some really angry communications after. I standby my comments, but now understand why the heat I got. For the record: if I show up at a providers whose pictures are clearly of someone else, I would be outraged and leave. I am not sure how-- if I am promised a beautiful passionate lady and that is what I experience and only later find out about her Y chromosome-- I have been deceived.
Are you saying, you have been deceived if this happens?
Or
Are you saying this is not a deceitful act?
I assume the former.
Posted By: Dr. joe
I am not sure how-- if I am promised a beautiful passionate lady and that is what I experience and only later find out about her Y chromosome-- I have been deceived.
-- Modified on 6/27/2016 4:05:30 AM
Despite the most recent ideology, it's my opinion, no matter how many GRS a person has they are still the gender which they were at birth.
No, I ended by saying essentially that I don't see how I have been deceived
Incidentally I am only talking about my personal feelings about the presence of a Y chromosome in a beautiful and sexy anatomically female lady. I have not been following and try to ignore the personal attacks flying back and forth including those few I have gotten sent to me.
The people that tried to be understanding and help, she was arrogant and completely rude. Guess that doesn't matter? She kept stirring the pot making false accusations, calling names and just being rude as fuck. Her attitude really did not help one bit
Omg, you are comparing apples and oranges...to be older, to be uglier, etc are far different then the deception that OL played upon people! No even small comparison and as Terri pointed out, to just become nasty towards everyone, showed something even worse! She is ugly from the inside, forget the external! You just don't get it! Lol
Neither one of you has the right to browbeat anyone, nor bully anyone, on any of these boards. You both, of late, are like board bullies. Saw you do it to a lady on the Boston board. Makes you both look bad and you don;t see that either.
Just trying to explain how there's two different issues being mixed with one another on the topic of deception.
There's deception and there's the transphobic people who are running a campaign against a certain provider. I'm not condoning what she did. I'm just saying that people should not say they feel offended because it was dishonest or deceitful. I'm saying they should say they're offended because they are to some degree transphobic. After 80+ reviews. It's clear that to most people she is nothing but a beautiul woman. So why not just be clear on why some are so offended by this. That's all I'm saying.
For the record I'm not hating on anyone. To me age or looks don't matter. Just what's inside.
...in stating their reasons for objections. You can't possibly Know what they are thinking or feeling except they tell you and unless you have heard and witnessed them expressing (and/or performing) something to the contrary you can't call them out.
the only accusation i made was against Erin. And they were not false,a lot of people witnesses the post she made a week before the whole thing started. Stay out of this. Sometimes i let emotions get the best of me, i will admit. But i was rude only to people who were rude to me or commenting on something they have no clue about like you are doing right now. Stay out of this as you are making a personality judgement and you don't even know me. People who have met me know i am very sweet and have no attitude. Just because your girlfriends are evil does not mean you have to fight their battles. You jumped in and missed part of the story and now you are making a personality judgement.
I see a lot of things being said about you and the things you seem to object to the most are undeniably true.
Speaking strictly for myself, I gave you the opportunity to make your case to me before commenting publicly and even after hearing your side I could not condone your dishonesty or your manipulations and attempted manipulations. Trying to demand I not comment on the subject was the last straw and proved to me that there was too much smoke about you strong arming people to keep their mouths shut for there to not be any fire, especially when you tried that very tactic on me. The thing about me though is that I am already "out" I can't be strong armed.
never heard of her till recently when i was defending myself against some providers on the local Boston board, here comes terri and posts "what do you have against mature providers?" i was confused...
i have nothing against mature, black, white, ts providers....but i defended and will be defending myself against trolls....
you are just attacking me now because you think i am weakened by all the recent threads...and you feel strong for some reason?
you are the one with questionable character? you never tried to help or understand ....do not play that card
i tried to reason with you in PM, you just blocked me....that is very mature indeed...
trust me, girl...you did not do yourself any favors by that pos
Not one time did I judge you. I simply stated the fact of how utterly rude you are to people that tried to help. Please. ..you can refrain from telling me what to do too. It's a goddamned discussion board for fucksake. You can also NOT pm me anymore with your demands and shitty attitude. I could care less if you have a cock OR a pussy. I only stated just how rude you are to the one's trying to HELP.... Sorry, I'm not one that likes to be demanded or dictated wtf I can do or say when I was never ever rude to you at all...until now. Now, I'll gladly tell you to GFY. Grow up and get some help. YOU are the one that keeps on and on and on and on and on and on.... XOXO, An older mature hooker...oh wait you have a problem with that too. TL
There is a lot of deeply programmed FEAR of what to do with the genitals. Orgasms are powerful energy. So, Religion pounds into our heads, with their fabulous stories, what to do with the genitals.
What's happening here is Expansion and Growth of New ideas. People are experiencing Freedom that wasn't offered to us years ago , when Religion had a foothold.
The liquidity of the male and female form is creating a new definition of genitalia that is not going away. Since we as human beings are constantly EVOLVING, these truths are the natural progression of a more connected race.
There is a lot of deeply programmed FEAR of what to do with the genitals. Orgasms are powerful energy. So, Religion pounds into our heads, with their fabulous stories, what to do with the genitals.
What's happening here is Expansion and Growth of New ideas. People are experiencing Freedom that wasn't offered to us years ago , when Religion had a foothold.
The liquidity of the male and female form is creating a new definition of genitalia that is not going away. Since we as human beings are constantly EVOLVING, these truths are the natural progression of a more connected race.
Growth, as with working out, hurts.
My beliefs are not deeply rooted in religion. Men are men, Women are women, and some people are born possessing both male & female genitalia. Your delusional blather trying to convince people otherwise is what I can't stand to hear. I don't care what you do with your genitals, just don't tell me to believe in things that are untrue.
First of all, by putting up a bunch of false comparisons at the beginning of your post you are implicitly agreeing the provider in question was deceptive. And then you go on to support the deception. So let me ask you straight out: Do you think it's OK she deceived people? Do you really believe it's OK to lie? Do you honestly believe her lies were based on anything but making more money? Second, you paint all of us who found fault with the broad brush of being "transphobic." Even those of us who expressed no problems with people who saw TS girls (pre- or post-op) but did not like the deception involved. Third, your examples set up a false equivalency suggesting that all your examples are equal. They are not. But I don't support any of the examples of lying you put up. So does that mean it's OK for me not to like the lie of the person in question? And don't forget she made the entire situation much, much worse by throwing out weak defenses, name calling and false accusations. You also can't deny her history (that's completely consistent with her recent behavior) of poor anger management and blackmail to get 10s. All in all, your effort here is not well thought out and says more of your defensiveness on this issue than anything else
Your benevolence is impressive. However, It's hard to remain sympathetic when the provider has fallen on her sword with her own words. I believe in tolerance, but it's not a one-way train.
This is a site that discusses our details, some of which are purely superficial. She immersed herself, building a high profile while sparing no detail...unless the detail happened to involve numbers below 10 or conflicted with how she views herself in anyway. Providers know that they are subject to scrutiny and they also know that what they divulge to clients can potentially be discussed elsewhere. Indiscretion sucks, but the onus is partially on the provider to watch what she discusses in session. Every single client OL 'came out' to was a grain of sand that could slip through her fingers. Also, providers know they get recognized from past work (especially in the same city). You can't argue that you are one and the same as GG providers while expecting exemptions from basics such as client opinions or indiscretions that providers are subjected to.
If the transphobia is unfair, so are ageism (a thing OL has never had qualms about directing at her fellow providers), racism, weightism, and many other -isms that factor into decisions and opinions here. Being free of these is not requisite for participation as a hobbyist. If they were, the hobbyist pool would be a lot smaller.
The finger-pointing in this is her choice, but the longer she and her defenders keep bringing this up and antagonizing others, the longer this will follow her. Yesterday, I did not see one post from anyone else in this board bringing it up, and then two before noon by her. One was a sarcastic whining proposal for her deserving Ms. TER and the other was a thread picking at wounds while mentioning names. Do you think that's helping her? If anyone here truly supports her, direct some of that 'move on' sentiment her way. You can't keep calling an ex to tell them to leave you alone. Lol
so egregiously worse than others? Why is not disclosing so offensive as compared to the other deceptions Sasha mentioned?
Because *some* people can't get over the fact that they may be having sex with someone who once had a penis and that might make them some unknown degree of gay.
Right or wrong or somewhere in between, call it what it is - don't "deceive" us into thinking it's about anything else.
In answer to your question: because it's none of your damn business. If you're looking for a vagina, tits, and ass, and if this provider has all 3, whether or not she's TS is none. of. your. business.
Just because you can turn a penis up side down and inside out, that doesn't make it a vagina.
I have the right to exclusively lick vaginas that ovulate.
lopaw, might actually agree with me on this one.
Posted By: AbbiMinx
In answer to your question: because it's none of your damn business. If you're looking for a vagina, tits, and ass, and if this provider has all 3, whether or not she's TS is none. of. your. business.
I understand why it matters to you, I don't understand why others feel the need for so much unnecessary repetitive explanation, so many questions with no answers, when the point was made numerous times over and over and over again and yet again.
Guys that go on and on with the same message remind me of flies feasting on old Spam.
Honestly, the thread you referred to made me dizzy and tongue tied, more than enough was said, I made no replies PM or otherwise.
Just because I've never tried is certainly no guarantee I never will.
If bigguy would help me out with your entry fee, open up his mind and be the carefree intelligent guy he is, with an afternoon three way with you, I'd wager he'd have a great time with the cutie pie you are.
I know I would if only for seeing that big smile on his face, the rest could be a bonerus.
P.S. I prefer my ladies wear 8" heels. They need not be designer shoes, only stripper style. If that's too tall for bigguy I'm willing to compromise to ensure his happiness.
I know you are trying to be funny, but I suggest you move on. So I already made my position really clear and you sound foolish now. Quad you worry about yourself and don't worry about me.
I don't roll like that and never will either.
Posted By: quadseasonal
Tying my tongue is extremely hard to do.
I understand why it matters to you, I don't understand why others feel the need for so much unnecessary repetitive explanation, so many questions with no answers, when the point was made numerous times over and over and over again and yet again.
Guys that go on and on with the same message remind me of flies feasting on old Spam.
Honestly, the thread you referred to made me dizzy and tongue tied, more than enough was said, I made no replies PM or otherwise.
Just because I've never tried is certainly no guarantee I never will.
If bigguy would help me out with your entry fee, open up his mind and be the carefree intelligent guy he is, with an afternoon three way with you, I'd wager he'd have a great time with the cutie pie you are.
I know I would if only for seeing that big smile on his face, the rest could be a bonerus.
P.S. I prefer my ladies wear 8" heels. They need not be designer shoes, only stripper style. If that's too tall for bigguy I'm willing to compromise to ensure his happiness.
So do what makes you happy and I will do the same too.
I don't care or have a right to tell you, what to do with your body. Just like you don't have the right to tell me, what to do with my body.
We each choose for ourselves and I prefer woman, who were born female period!
Also I never had a problem with deception with any provider in this hobby, for over twenty five years.
It's not about being a racist, but having a personal choice and that is my right as a hobbyist. I don't have anything against anybody on here, but if someone makes up something. Then I will respond with facts.
The thing is, you don't want to be judge yourself.
Then you guys turn around and judge others for not agreeing with you? You can't force people to agree with you and this was not about my masculinity or racism.
If you read my comments, I don't lack self confidence. Lol
It was about that provider deception and false advertisement in their ad on here.
This was what started everything and hiding the truth.
So it's a old song called "Back Stabbers" by the O'Jays. The people you called out like myself are being honest with you on here. Then the ones you think are supporting you, are making jokes behind your back.
Just remember that, the next time you want to call someone out.
Posted By: sasha2cute
Did you create a long thread about the provider you saw last week who you suspect had fake tits?
Did you create a long thread about a provider who was wearing 5" heels to appear to be taller than her actual height?
Did you create a long thread about a provider who was wearing a ton of make up to appear younger, and prettier than she actually was?
Did you create a long thread about a provider who moaned and screamed in a theatrical way to make it seem as she was having as much fun as you?
Did you create a long thread about how you lie to your wife about being faithful and then go fuck your ATF?
Or did you just create, or participate in a long ass thread about the one thing that stirred those transphobic feelings and now you are masquerading your attacks as claims of "dishonesty", and "deceptive practices".
If you only answered yes to the last one... then just call yourself an hypocrite, and move on. You're not offended she may or may not have been dishonest. you're offended because of how you now feel about yourself. afraid of being introspective and reflect of why you feel the way you feel, and why you still found that beautiful woman as attractive as you did, you find it easier to gang up on her and attack her, because thats just easier than do some thinking, Calling her names, and humiliating her because it re assures your masculinity.
someone pointed out how her friends didn't defend her. I have spoken privately with some of the leaders of that pack of "men" who for months have already made up their mind about her and they will hear no argument about it. Theres no conversation to be had with them. they are angry at the acceptance and popularity this woman had, and without being able to move on, took it upon themselves to run a campaign against her, so they could feel better about the way they feel about this individual.
Some men of honor did come to her defense and that made me very proud. The sad thing was that most people refrained from defending her in public, and sent PMs instead. I wish these people showed their public support. no more than 5 people managed to destroy a provider's reputation, even tho over a 100 people are in support of her but didn't make their voices heard.
No one can make you change if you are not wiling to change. People act upon their feelings and emotions in order to stay true to themselves, and pursue their happiness. You may disagree with how people run their lives, and their business. If you feel cheated because you feel you were deceived in any way, call it what it really is and dont masquerade it as something else just so people dont see you for who you really are.
Im bound to get some poop for this post arent I? bring it on usual suspects, Bigguy30, Lamont, BostonTDK, NNoway, Townman, Walter.Disney... lay one on me, im ready :P
That fact has been pretty well established over your time here.
That said, you have the right to be both a racist and a homo/transphobe and no one has the right to 'trick you" into being more "open minded" Your choices are your own, whether anyone else agrees with them or not and no one has the right to "demand" you become more "open minded" and start making decisions on who you should be having sex with.
Now I will admit, I would still be laughing my fucking ass off at you if you ever did get tricked into having sex with someone who was born with a dick. but then of course I don't fucking like you and I doubt I ever will. It would still be wrong for someone to do that to you, but I'd be LMAO at you never the less.
The next time you talk about someone being dishonest. Just look in the mirror and you will find that person. Also do you really think I care, whether you like me or not? Lol
So I already addressed your made up comments.
Just because you keep repeating it, will not make your comments true. I saw how insecure, you are from the beginning on this site. You keep making things up and I will keep exposing you!
Posted By: GaGambler
That fact has been pretty well established over your time here.
That said, you have the right to be both a racist and a homo/transphobe and no one has the right to 'trick you" into being more "open minded" Your choices are your own, whether anyone else agrees with them or not and no one has the right to "demand" you become more "open minded" and start making decisions on who you should be having sex with.
Now I will admit, I would still be laughing my fucking ass off at you if you ever did get tricked into having sex with someone who was born with a dick. but then of course I don't fucking like you and I doubt I ever will. It would still be wrong for someone to do that to you, but I'd be LMAO at you never the less.
Actually I don't create many threads. But your position is a false equivalency . However , I'll play the game. Claiming to be an all natural 34b but actually being an enhanced 36DDD is deception. Claiming to be 5'8" but actually 5'2" is deception Claiming to be 110lbs but actually 165lbs is deception Claiming to be 29 but actually 42 is deception.
Some guys like 36DDDs Some like 5'2" Some like heavy Some like older
Some are very comfortable with , perhaps even prefer TS Others are not. To each their own. But in a TER profile if there is a box for height , weight , natural or fake, age or any other damn thing and the answer is falsified that my dear is deception.
I abhor the act of attacking someone on the board for being who they choose or for that matter who God chooses them to be. I personally hold those with transphobic positions with disdain. But refuse to be a closed minded as they are. For some , yes it's a bias. But please leave room for others who are very comfortable and supportive of the individual choices consenting adults might make but can not endorse deception of any kind on a review board. To me that is far from being hypocritical .
I don't care if your Straight, Gay or TS if you pull the shit she did on the TER community you deserve any and all the backlash you get. Because your choice of choosing to deceive everyone was planned and well thought out. Because of her motive behind it all was her greed for money and it was working until it all came out.
Funny the attitude people have when they get caught.
Fraud is Fraud and it does not matter whether your Straight, Gay or TS it is still Fraud.
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